Pro and Con 106, Uploaded 5-25-98

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Dear Marilyn, Sunday, 5-24-98

I don't want to wait until next week to thank you for all the time you have put into Bible study, and for being obedient to the LORD AND PUBLISHING THE TRUTHS HE REVEALED TO YOU. [Well, the all caps thing just happened to me! I thought I might have accidentally turned them on, so I erased it, turned off the caps, and was careful to see that the caps were NOT on after the L. Still it came out in all caps again]! That's another confirmation to me that what you have written about the Rapture occurring this 5-31 is from the Lord.

I started this e-mail to tell you now, because in Heaven, you will probably be 'mobbed' by loving, thankful readers of "Bible Prophecy Corner" wanting to thank you for the all the time and effort you expended in clarifying and proclaiming God's Prophetic Word which previously was hidden. Now while reading in Psalms and Isaiah the Scriptures have just 'opened up' up to me. Phrases and verses whose meaning had been obscure now seemingly leap off the page, clearly understandable.

Oh yes: some other things.....
1. I mentioned to my husband that the moon didn't rotate as it orbits, and the reason we only see one side is because of the strong gravitational pull of the earth to the large iron deposit on our side of the moon which keeps it from rotating. He told me I was wrong; that I should do some research! I responded that people didn't believe Galileo was because he was ahead of his time: also, others had done my research for me already.

2. Something wonderful happened this morning it church. We were singing a hymn and my husband, very emotionally, whispered to me, "This may be our last Sunday," I was thrilled, because he seems to resist the possibility of a Pentecost 1998 Rapture so strongly.

3. A long time ago I thought I was about to die. I went to sleep praying about it and the Lord gave me a vision, beginning at the moment of my death, walking with my father (then dead four years) and his father, my grandfather who died before my birth) walking up a TRANSLUCENT GOLD CARPET into Heaven. Many of the departed saints came to greet me. Some I had known on earth and others I knew only thru the Bible! No introductions were necessary. I KNEW each one! "I shall know just as I also am known." (1 Cor.13:12b). I kept walking, I wanted to see Jesus. Suddenly, there He was, not clothed in royal robes of splendor, but as He was when taken from the cross: "His visage was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men" (Isaiah 52:14). He did it for ME! I still weep when I think how much Jesus suffered for me. Somehow He made me to know that HIS LOVE for me IS SO GREAT THAT HE WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE CROSS EVEN IF I WERE THE ONLY SINNER!

May our loving Heavenly Father give you a special blessing/reward for your faithfulness. Love, from another sinner saved by grace

My reply

Thanks so much for sending this, vision and all. It is amazing that you tried to erase the caps and they came back.

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Jack Langford has put together an excellent reasoning for the rapture to occur on Pentecost 1998. I do think both of you have very good points for either a midnight or a 9am call to "come up hither". I honestly don't know which it would be. Any thoughts on this after looking at his site?

My reply

Acts 2:6 says, "Now when this (being filled with the Holy Spirit) was noised abroad, the multitude came together. This took some time. After the crowd was assembled, Peter indicated that it was 9:00 AM.

I still think midnight is the best bet. Not only does the Bridegroom come at midnight for the wise virgins, Boaz, a kinsman redeemer, chose Ruth at midnight. Ruth 3:8,9 says, And it came to pass AT MIDNIGHT, that the man was afraid, and turned himself: and, behold, a woman lay at his feet. And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman."

I also think the Rapture will take place in a moment, everywhere at once. Acts 16:25,26 is probably a type. Things happened to Israel for examples to us upon whom the ends of the ages are come. It says, "And AT MIDNIGHT Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them, And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and IMMEDIATELY all the doors were opened, and EVERY ONE'S bands were loosed." Door is a symbol of the Rapture (Rev. 3:8; 4:1).

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I just wanted to briefly comment on your web page. First of all, I've learned a great deal from what you've written, and I plan on looking for your books in a local store. Secondly, your web page has increased my feeling that the time of the Rapture is closing in. The net result is an urgent need to get my life right before God.

I've been a student of Bible prophesy for several years now, though I have put in no where near the hours you have. I've read many books about the end-times prophesies, but none of them have fully answered my questions nor have been completely accepted by my spirit. Your page has filled in some holes for me, and I thank you for all your time and effort.

While I've always been tentative about trying to specifically date the rapture or any other end times event, I've always thought that those who weren't sleeping would know the season (which I think of as a three month period). But if you can know the season, why not the exact day? I'm keeping my mind is open to a May 31 Rapture, and am preparing for this possibility, just in case.

I'd also like to comment on a piece of e-mail I extracted from your web page's "pro and con" section (May 10th posting):

>Charles Jemeyson wrote:

>Marilyn:
>You've got the right Greek work, but came up with the wrong answer. The book
>of Revelation, as I understand it, is speaking of 70 AD, not some 2000 or 2500 years
>later. It is speaking of a time which would "shortly" take place and the
>"time was near" to that group in the first

The book of Revelation could not possibly be speaking of 70 AD, as it was written in (about) 95 AD. If it speaks of things "soon to take place" within the context of that time, we need to look at the time frame of 95 AD and a few years after that. I know of nothing major that took place during this timeframe, at least not anything that lines up with Revelation or Jesus' end times prophecies in Mark, Matthew, and Luke.

I agree that a PORTION (not the whole thing) of Jesus' prophetic words to his desciples speaks of 70 AD, but that is all. It is obvious that most of what was said has never taken place. Revelation speaks of world-wide events - monstrous events - that certainly have not taken place as of yet.

Keep up the good work, Marilyn, and perhaps we will be seeing each other on May 31!

My reply

>But if you can know the season, why not the exact day? I'm
>keeping my mind is open to a May 31 Rapture, and am preparing for this
>possibility, just in case.

Song of Solomon 2:10-14 shows that it is in the spring, but it narrows it down further. The "winter is past, the rain (latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth (April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (turtledove, i.e., the Holy Spirit) is heard in our land: The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs."

The word "places" is italicized. Therefore it is not in the original. This is the secret of the stairs, similar to Jacob's ladder that reached from Earth to Heaven.

This is definitely the spring season. What feasts are in the spring? Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits and Pentecost. However, the first three are in Nisan, which is over and gone. Only Pentecost is left. Also, the only time there are both green figs and the firstripe grapes is at the end of May or early June. That zeroes right in on Pentecost. Nothing else fits.

I think the Spirit of Christ came to the Church on Pentecost in 30 AD and will come to the Church again on Pentecost. There were two wave loaves to be held up toward Heaven on that feast. The Church was born on Earth on Pentecost and will, I think, be born into another new world on Pentecost. The Holy Spirit came at that time to fill the disciples and will come to take the filled disciples to Heaven at that time. What happened to Israel are for examples of what will happen at the end of the age.

We are all joined into the Body of Christ by his Holy Spirit. When Christ comes in the air, all us "balloons" filled with enough Holy Spirit "helium" will rise to meet him in the air.

>The book of Revelation could not possibly be speaking of 70 AD, as it was
>written in (about) 95 AD.

Point well taken. Wonder why he can't see that?

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My name is ---- and work in a christian bookstore in the mall of ----.

My manager has read your books and is very impressed with your work. I think we have sold more of your book The End Of the Age than any other book. We enjoy talking about prophecy and how God is working to fulfill them today....God Bless You. Together we serve

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I read End of The Age in 1994 and again last year, with many reviews in between and since. Whether or not we see Rapture I on the 31st next month, your painstaking work is nothing short of awesome- (I myself will be awake and looking at that time--just in case!) If it does not occur, I will continue to study the book and keep track of your website because the logic is intact. MAJOR KUDOS TO YOU!!! You have single-handedly undone years of damage inflicted on my Biblical curiosity by the nuns of my schooling days....

I conclude with a reiteration of how much I enjoy your work (by the way- Eisen uses his theory to determine that Venus is the seat of the I AM/Yod- and Venus is my guess as to the planet referred to in the "Butter and Honey" synopsis on your website, though I haven't yet read it)...

My reply

>If it does not occur, I will continue to
>study the book and keep track of your website because the logic is intact.
>MAJOR KUDOS TO YOU!!! You have single-handedly undone years of damage
>inflicted on my Biblical curiosity by the nuns of my schooling days.

Thanks for those kudos. I am happy to be able to help in any way possible....

>Eisen uses his theory to determine that Venus is the seat of the I AM/Yod- and
>Venus is my guess as to the planet referred to in the "Butter and Honey"
synopsis on your website, though I haven't yet read it)

His theory fails in this case. Venus is not Heaven. The real one is our third heaven (II Cor. 12:2). There is no way you can start from Earth and count 1-2-3 and end up with Venus. Zech. 3:10, in Brenton's English translation of the Septuagint, the Greek scriptures used in Jesus' day, says, "For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, i.e., circles, rings)." Now take another guess.

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From Abraham Forum: RUSSELL RANKIN wrote:
Marylin,

I've been reading with interest your comments about the Seventieth Week of Daniel. I offer another understanding of the Seventy Weeks that will (with all due respect) affect your calculations regarding Messiah's return.
Some years ago, I read Levi's account of Yeshua's cousin John [the immerser] in prison contemplating the prophecies of Scripture [Matthew 11]. From prison John sent his disciples to ask his cousin Yeshua a seemingly strange question: "Are you the Coming One, or do we look for another?" Yeshua in effect answered in the affirmative. John was to regard Yeshua as "the Coming One" and there was no need to look for another.

Now as I began to search Yeshua's teaching recorded by Levi, Luke, Mark, and his beloved disciple John, I discovered the following references to "the Coming One": Matthew 21:1-16, Matthew 23:29-39, Luke 19:28-20:18, Mark 11:1-18; 12:1-11, John 12:1-18.

Then I checked the Prophets and the Writings and found only two prophecies that connected Messiah with "the Coming One": Psalm 118 [specifically v.26], Daniel 9 [specifically v.26]
Comparing the writing to Hebrew Christians [chapters 8-10] with Daniel 9, I determined the New Covenant of Jeremiah was to be established and made firm by Messiah Prince, The Coming One. Messiah was to make firm the New Covenant within Seventy Shabuim "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem" [Daniel 9:25].

Yeshua preached to Ytsrael for 3 1/2 shabuim according to Levi, Luke, Mark, and John. And His words were established to Ytsrael for 3 1/2 shabuim by "those who heard him" [Hebrews 2:3; Acts 1-9]. YHVH Elohim bore witness as well with "signs and wonders" [Hebrews 2:4; Acts 2-9].

According to the prophet Daniel, then, Messiah Prince Yeshua would begin his ministry after sixty-nine shabuim [v.26]; Messiah Prince The Coming One would establish the New Covenant with Ystrael for one shabuim [v.27]. The seventy shabuim concluded with Simon Peter's vision to go to a Gentile's house to preach the good news of Messiah to the Gentiles [Acts 10].

According to Levi's own account [Matthew 23:39], Yeshua himself declared he was "The Coming One". Upon Yeshua's own testimony, I conclude only he could fulfill the work of the seventy shabuim, even to the seventieth shabua, "And he shall make firm the covenant with many for one shabua; and in the middle of the shabua he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease" [Daniel 9:27]--"Yeshua, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the breath. And, the vail of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom" [Matthew 27:50-51].

Submitted for you and all to study,

Russ

***Hi Russ, from Marilyn: I have many emails in my inbox, so apologize for being brief.

Here is the way I understand Daniel 9:26f. It says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (Yeshua) be cut off (karath, killed, i.e., the Crucifixion), but not for himself (for us, Isa. 53:5,6): and the people (Romans) of the prince that shall come ("the son of perdition" of II Thess. 2:3; "thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end," Ezek. 21:25; the Satan-possessed False Prophet, who rules during the Great Tribulation over both the World Government and the ROMAN Ecclesiastical empire, the Catholic [universal] World Church), shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the temple, fulfilled by the Romans in 70 AD); and the end thereof (end of Satan's rule) shall be with a flood (Armageddon, "When the enemy shall come in like a flood (i.e., 40 days and 40 nights)," Isa. 59:19), and unto the end of the war (Armageddon) desolations are determined. And he (the False Prophet) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (of years): and in the midst of the week he (the False Prophet, Satan possessed when Satan is cast down to Earth, Rev. 12:9) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (he "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God," II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (including idols) he (the False Prophet) shall make it (the temple) desolate, even until the consummation (of the seven years), and that determined (dominion is taken from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations at the end of the full seven years) shall be poured upon the desolate (desolator; the False Prophet will be thrown in the Lake of Fire [Rev. 19:20] and Satan will be chained in the bottomless pit for 1000 years [Rev. 20:2,3])."

"I (Yeshua) will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David...I will set it up" (Acts 15:16).

Amos 9:11 says, "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David...and I will build it as in the days of old...And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them...I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."

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From Abraham Forum:

I want to take this opportunity to address something for the benefit of all the forum. Marilyn said in a recent post that we have so little time left. I think it would do well to keep this in mind.

Not that it matters on how we conduct ourselves.

Even today we struggle. Who among us does not think that "our" way is the perfect way. How heated have the discussions been on Abraham-Forum between Christian and Messianic. Surely there are wrongs in both camps. Does our shouts of 'amen' to someone who makes our point for us, make us right. I don't think so.

I think that the whole point of discussion is to sharpen ,refine and to show ourselves approved to the rightly deviding of scripture. It is a Challenge to be ready for a defense of the hope thar lies within us.

Different worlds of discussion. Mainline Church and Judiasm. 5 Jews get together there are 6 opinions. 5 christians get together you get 5 denominations.

We can have unity in different opinions. And realising that we are in different stages in our walk. Give grace and it will multiply.

This forum would be boring if we all agreed. It is Unity in our diversity that be the thrust of the forums. We can agree to disagree and that has nothing to do with our Salvation.

Our Task is to be ready when the Shofar Blows ( I'm shooting for Rosh Hashannah ).

***From Marilyn: I like your attitude. As for Rosh Hashannah, I think that will be the second Rapture, the one that happens between the breaking of the 6th seal of Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the 7th seal in Rev. 8:1. That will be the Day of God's Wrath on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. Rev. 6 starts with the beginning of the Tribulation and ends with, "For the great day of his wrath is come: and who shall be able to stand?"

I downloaded this from the Internet. Jewish sages say that:
As to the trumps the Feasts are called by the names
Pentecost= First trump
RoshHaShanah=LAst trump
Atonement= Great trump
This fits the First Rapture on Pentecost, the second on the Feast of Trumpets and God's acceptance of the remnant of Israel on the following Day of Atonement, doesn't it?

I Cor. 15: 51,52 says, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP (i.e., Rosh Hashannah)." That is when the whole Body of Christ will end up in Heaven.

Where there is a last trump, there must be a first trump. That is on Pentecost. We see that in I Thess. 4:16,17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I'm shooting for Pentecost. Dr. Tabor, who is translating for the Original Bible Project translates Jeremiah 5:24: "and he keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest." The Lord keeps Shavuot. He kept it in 30 AD and he will keep it again. There are two wave loaves, suggesting a double fulfillment.

Jack W. Langford, of Fort Worth, TX, thinks we will be caught up on this coming Pentecost too. He has arrived at this conclusion in a different way than I did. He recognized "The Incredible Parallel between the Holocaust of Christ and the 20th Century Holocaust of the Jews." This I missed, and I am so thankful that he was nice enough to send me what he wrote about his discovery. It is a whole ring binder full of material. This is just a fraction of it, but to me, it is the most important point.

He wrote, "The word 'Holocaust' means 'whole burnt sacrifice.' It is actually a Greek word. It was used many times in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (called the Septuagint) regarding the whole burnt sacrifices. In the Septuagint it was used several times in the sacrifice of Isaac in Genesis 22. Isaac was a clear type of Christ. It is used three times in what is called the New Testament (Mark 12:33; Hebrews 10:5-10). In the Hebrews passage it twice has reference to the burnt sacrifices as being typical of the death of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world. In other words, Christ's death was a 'holocaust' and now this unusual suffering of the Jews is called a 'holocaust' as well."

Mr. Langford also wrote, "Many statements about events were actually made during the Holocaust comparing aspects or incidents of the slaughter of the Jews to various aspects of the crucifixion of Christ. I have collected a number of these incidents including a more recent one taken right out of an editorial in the Jerusalem Post--'In Auschwitz they did just that. There they crucified Jesus a second time...One quite influential Protestant cleric wrote a very sobering book entitled The Crucificion of the Jews and called the creation of the State of Israel--'the resurrection of the Jews.'"

As I understand it, the parallels that Mr. Langford recognize boil down to this:

In 30 AD, Christ was crucified, resurrected after three days, and the Holy Spirit descended on the 50th day, Pentecost. Thus, there was this schedule in DAYS: the Crucifixion + 3 days = Resurrection + 50 days = descent of the Spirit of Christ to the church on Pentecost.

He thinks that the modern parallel of this schedule is being played out in YEARS. In 1945, the Jew's "crucifixion" ended in May. Three years later to the very month, Israel was resurrected as a nation in May. He thinks that Israel's resurrection in 1948 + 50 = descent of Christ to the church on Pentecost (in May).

He agrees with my date of Pentecost, May 31, 1998. The only difference is that he thinks that since the Holy Spirit descended at 9:00 in the morning, the Rapture will take place at 9:00 AM. I had thought that since the Bridegroom came to take the wise virgins at midnight, the Rapture would probably take place at midnight, Jerusalem time.

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Subject: Feast of Trumpets/Rapture???

We read in 1 Cor 15:51-53, " Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put onimmortality." This says that the Rapture will occur at the sounding of the LAST TRUMP or on Rosh HaShanah.

Another verse that closely parallels the above verse is Revelation 10:7 (NKJ) "But in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants and the prophets."

The mystery that Paul is revealing is the rapture of the church which is hidden in Christ. Both verses say it will take place at the sounding of the last trump.

My reply

The first trump is the first Rapture (I Thess. 4:13-18). The second is at the last trump of I Cor. 15:52. See Nu. 10:1-4 for info on the two trumpets for the calling of the assembly and the journeying of the camps.

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These are certainly interesting times to live in regardless of Peter Hader or Ron Wyatt's findings.

You might be interested to note that when I approached Israeli government about Ron Wyatt's findings they referred me to Harriet in charge of Israili Antiquities. She berated Ron Wyatt personally, but would not answer me concerning his findings....her lack of response makes me even more suspicious.

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May God Bless you and your faithful witness and reward you with the greatest gift of all -- to meet face to face with our Lord Jesus Christ this Pentecost; and May you eternally rejoice in true, perfect peace and love with all the children of God in the Mansion prepared for you. Amen. Selah.

My reply

You too. Thanks

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I really feel led of God this morning to write to you and encourage you in the incredible task set before you with all this email pouring in daily. You have pointed so many people in the right direction and I really feel God is saying to you "Be of good cheer, salvation draws near!"

I hope your tooth is feeling a lot better - as if you need that sort of attack with all the other busy activities in your life - anyway you do not need to reply to this letter - it is just sent as an encouragement that their are many people around the world who love you and are praising God for a sweet sister in Christ like you. You have done a wonderful service to the Body of Christ and your reward in Heaven is going to be awesome!

That's what the Holy Spirit is telling me to tell you.

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