Pro and Con 1061

Posted 9-30-03

"A call for 'United Nations of Religions"

Kazakhstan conference brings together leaders of 18 faiths

9-30-03 - As a two-day conference of major religions ended in Kazakhstan, key leaders of 18 faiths agreed to meet regularly under the banner "Congress of World and Traditional Religions."

One delegate hoped the group would translate into a "United Nations of Religions."...

Astonishing pictures taken by Ed Grafton from his backyard

The Utah Stars Report

NASA - Saturn Observation Campaign

Saturn Viewing Information

...Saturn's journey through the night sky begins in earnest in September 2003. During August Saturn is visible in the constellation Gemini where it is a true morning star....the planet does not rise high into the sky until September....

Saturn reaches opposition (where the Sun and Saturn appear in opposite directions from Earth's perspective) approximately 13 days later each year. For 2003 this date is December 31....

In September 2003, Saturn is in Gemini. It rises before midnight and is high in the eastern sky before morning twilight obscures the stars....

In October 2003, Saturn moves into that most recognizable constellation Orion. The planet rises in the east-northeast in the late evening....On October 26, 2003 Saturn is stationary, signaling the start of its retrograde (westward) motion.

In November 2003 Saturn...rises in the early evening and is visible throughout the night....Saturn returns to the constellation Gemini this month....

Finding the Christmas Star

One Astronomer Believes It Wasn’t a Star at All
By Jennifer Viegas

...The astronomer’s trail began with a clue — a bronze Roman coin.

Michael Molnar...former manager of the Physics Instructional Labs at Rutgers University in New Jersey and author of The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi, noticed that the coin — and others from the same period, 5-14 A.D. — depicted a ram looking back at a star.

From historical records, he determined the coin commemorated Rome’s annexation of Judea (today’s Jerusalem), which occurred when the coin was issued. “The coin tells us that the ram, known in astrological terms as Aries, was the symbol for Judea, the birthplace of Jesus,” Molnar says.....

Molnar stumbled upon another clue. While browsing through a bookstore, he found a Greek translation of the Bible. Matthew’s account of the star particularly caught his attention....

The pieces of the puzzle came together when Molnar charted an intersection of the paths of the moon and Jupiter on April 17, 6 B.C in the constellation Aries. That day, when the moon eclipsed Jupiter, was the real first Christmas, Molnar says. “The Magi believed a new king would be born when the moon passed in front of Jupiter,” Molnar says....

Molnar found another bit of evidence in an account written in 334 A.D. by a Christian Roman astrologer named Julius Firmicus Maternus. The book says those who are born when the moon passes in front of Jupiter are “men of almost divine and immortal nature.”

The Answer Is …
“Jupiter was, therefore, the star of Bethlehem,” says Molnar. Or perhaps more precisely, the disappearance of Jupiter behind the moon was the star of Bethlehem....

But in a few months, Jupiter will again be in the astrological news, when it nearly crosses paths in the night sky with Saturn.

This so-called conjunction, visible on May 27, occurs only every 20 years. In 2000, it also will follow the May 5 “Day of The Great Alignment,” when the sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will appear close to one another....

A Different Theory
Not surprisingly, not every astronomer agrees with Molnar’s Christmas star theory.

Mark Kidger, a researcher at the Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarfas in Spain and author of The Star of Bethlehem: An Astronomer’s View, set out on a similar journey....

He agrees that Jesus was born near later than 5 years B.C. But Kidger thinks four celestial events during a period of two years led the Magi to Jerusalem.

The first sign came in 7 B.C., according to Kidger. “The Magi saw a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in Pisces three times during six months,” he says....

Unlike Molnar, Kidger believes the part of the sky the ancients mapped out as Pisces symbolized Jerusalem.

“The triple conjunction would have caused the Magi to ponder long and hard about the possibilities,” Kidger says. “They would have waited to see what else might happen.”

The Magi didn’t have to wait long. In February of 6 B.C., a massing of Jupiter, Saturn and Mars occurred in Pisces...

The third sign, Kidger says, was two pairings in Pisces. On the evening of Feb. 20, 5 B.C., the moon appeared to pass very close to Jupiter. “This occurred slightly to the east of yet another pairing, of Mars and Saturn,” says Kidger. “Four events, all in Pisces, would have informed the Magi that something was going to occur in Judea.”...

Kidger used both modern computer wizardry and ancient Chinese astronomy records to find the fourth sign — a spectacular nova that blazed in the eastern sky in February or early March of 5 B.C. Given the previous omens, this dying star would have caused the Magi to begin their month-and-a-half trip to Jerusalem.

Based upon the documented Chinese observations, Kidger thinks the Magi’s star most likely was one known as DO Aquilae....


By Susan S. Carroll

...In 7 BC there was a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. All three meetings of the two planets occurred in the constellation Pisces, long associated with the Hebrew nation, a phenomenon that occurs only once every approximately 900 years. The first conjunction occurred in late May, the second in September, and the third in early December. Although the two planets never came closer together than about two diameters of the moon, and therefore could hardly have been seen as a single star, these events would have had great significance to the trained astronomers of the time. Jupiter was known as the “planet of Kings” and Saturn as the “Protector of the Jews”. This could easily have been interpreted as a sign that the Jewish Messiah had been, or was about to be, born.

In February of 6 BC a massing of three planets occurred, again in the constellation Pisces, when Jupiter, Mars and Saturn came within 8 degrees of each other. This event occurs only once every 800 years...

Chinese astronomers recorded a nova in the constellation Capricorn that was visible during March-April of 5 BC. It was visible for over 70 days....

On May 19, 3 BC, the planets Saturn and Mercury were in close conjunction - within 40’ (minutes of arc) of each other. Then Saturn moved eastward through the stars to meet with Venus on June 12, 3BC. During this conjunction the two were only 7.2’ apart. And if this weren’t enough, on August 12, 3 BC, Jupiter and Venus came into close conjunction just before sunrise, coming within 4.2’ from each other as viewed from earth, and appearing as a very bright morning star. This conjunction took place in the constellation Cancer, the “end” sign of the Zodiac. Ten months later, on June 17 2BC, Venus and Jupiter joined again, this time in the constellation Leo....

MJA: My thoughts, and a new way the Rapture may be as the days of Noah

Virgo is the first sign in the Zodiac, Leo the last. The Denderah Zodiac in Egypt shows that, and it fits Christ perfectly. The connection of Aries with Judea persisted. Claudius Ptolemy (c. 150 AD) connected the two.

I can't believe this: "“Jupiter was, therefore, the star of Bethlehem,” says Molnar. Or perhaps more precisely, the disappearance of Jupiter behind the moon was the star of Bethlehem." How could Jupiter look like a star when it was hidden by the Moon?

I think the Star of Bethlehem was a supernatural thing, like the Shekinah glory in the wilderness, that could actually go low over the house where Jesus was and stop there.

These two astronomers do not agree on which constellation symbolizes Judea--unless Judea and Jerusalem are considered different things. Molnar said, "Aries, was the symbol for Judea." "Kidger believes the part of the sky the ancients mapped out as Pisces symbolized Jerusalem."

In "Signs in the Heavens," Avi Ben Mordechai said that Leo (Aryeh) is the sign of Y'Hudah (Judah) and has a Messianic correlation with Jerusalem (p. 365). On page 393, Avi said, "Leo, of course, refers to the royal line of the Messiah in Israel, and specifically to the city of Y'rushalayim, since both Leo and Y'rushalayim are referred to as Ariel or 'lion.'"

Jerusalem is called Ariel in Isa. 29:1. It says, "Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt!." Since Ariel means lion, it seems to connect Jerusalem to Leo, which makes sense for Leo is the sign of Judah, and Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Rev. 5:5 says, "Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

We must take these statements of the astronomers with a grain of salt. However, from the coin, we can see that Aries (i.e., Jesus, the Lamb of God), and the Star of Bethlehem did represent Judah to the Romans. The coin was to commemorate the annexation of Judah by the Romans. They were neither oblivious to Jesus' birth nor to the appearance of the Star of Bethlehem.

To me, what is most important is what Aries, the Ram, signifies about Christ. The gospel in the stars is His story. He was Aries (the Lamb of God) at his First Advent. I think he will be Gemini (the Bridegroom) at the Pre-Trib Rapture. He will be Leo (the Lion of the tribe of Judah) at his Second Advent.

I think Saturn is Christ's throne, our Heaven. Where it is located in the constellations at certain times seems significant. Luke 21:25,28, 36 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring....And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh....Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE (i.e., by being raptured) all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

I found out that YourSky inserts a zero year between BC 1 and 1 AD. I knew astronomers did that, but forgot it when figuring BC years on YourSky. I refigured those. The difference is that when Noah went into the Ark, Saturn was in Gemini, not just on the border. Also, when Jesus was born, Saturn was in Aries, not just on the border.

Adam created, Elul 29, BC 4044, Saturn in Pisces
Noah entered Ark, Cheshvan 17, BC 2387, Saturn in Gemini
Lot saved, Sodom destroyed, prob. Tishri 1, BC 1936, Saturn in Virgo Isaac born, prob. Tishri 1, BC 1935, Saturn in Virgo Jesus born, Tishri 1, BC 5, Saturn in Aries
Crucifixion, Nisan 13, Apr. 6, 30 AD, Saturn in Gemini
Resurrection, Apr. 9, 30 AD, Saturn in Gemini
Ascension Day, May 18, 30 AD, Saturn in Gemini
Pentecost, May 28, 30 AD, Birth of Church, Saturn in Gemini

Tentative future dates

Pre-Trib Rapture while Saturn is in Gemini (discussed below)
Tribulation begins 5-23-2004, 2300 days before Day of God's Wrath, Saturn in Gemini
Mid-Trib, !!-4-2007, Saturn in Leo
Pre-Wrath Rapture, Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 9-9-2010, Saturn in Virgo
Second Advent, 4-5-2011, Nisan 1, 5771, Saturn in Virgo

Since the Pre-Wrath Rapture seems to take place when Saturn is in Virgo, It is interesting to find out that Saturn was in Virgo when Lot was brought out of Sodom. It was the same day in BC 1936 that the fire and brimstone fell and obliterated Sodom and the cities of the plains.

Zeph. 2:2,3 says, "before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., raptured) in the day of the LORD'S anger." The 2nd Rapture is as the days of Lot (Luke 17:30). Lot means "HIDDEN." The raptured ones will be hidden on the so-called hidden day, the Feast of Trumpets.

Lot and Isaac are good types. Saturn was in Virgo when Lot was saved in BC 1936 and will probably be in Virgo at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Saturn was in Virgo when Isaac was born in BC 1935. It looks like Saturn will be in Virgo at the Second Advent too.

I also find it significant that Saturn, which I think is Heaven, was in Aries, the Ram, when Jesus was born on Tishri 1 in BC 5. It was only in Aries during BC 5 and 4. By the fall of BC 3, Saturn was in Taurus.

Saturn (shabbatai, rest) is the slowest of all the planets. It takes 29.5 years to complete one orbit. To make Saturn be in the right spot at the right time shows the power of God.

Jesus is "the Lamb of God" John 1:29 says, "John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." Aries symbolizes Christ as the Lamb of God.

Molnar said, "But in a few months, Jupiter will again be in the astrological news, when it nearly crosses paths in the night sky with Saturn....In 2000, it also will follow the May 5 “Day of The Great Alignment,” when the sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will appear close to one another....

Not only did the lineup get our attention in 2000, the lineup of planets on May 5, 2002, pointed directly to Gemini, which I think is the sign of the Pre-Trib Rapture. At the top of the diagonal line, Jupiter was in Gemini. This reminds me of Jacob's ladder. It's top was in Heaven (Gen. 28:12). That can tie in with the secret of the stairs in Song of Solomon 2:14.

The article, "Caution--Planetary Traffic Jam Ahead!," in the Harvard- Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Press Release dated 4-3-02 said, "Inching across the sky like bumper-to-bumper commuters on their way to work, a rare planetary alignment will allow sky observers to see every planet in our solar system in a single evening! "There will be other opportunities in the future to see the planets in different configurations," says Philip Sadler, Director of the Science Education Department at the Harvard- Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) in Cambridge, MA, " but it won't be anything like this for at least another 70 years. This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime experience." "

Here is another clue. It's from "Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer"
He said, "Saturn Comes Into Opposition December 17th (2002) And Will Be At Its Biggest And Brightest It Ever Gets"

On August 27, 2003, Mars was also the closest, biggest and brightest it gets. I thought it might be a sign. It seems a sure thing now.

In "The 5,000 Year Cosmic Sign" (Voice of Evangelism magazine) Perry Stone said, "One of our staff members recently gave me an article regarding a cosmic event that happened about 5,000 years ago, and was repeated again on August 27, 2003. The planet Mars was the closest it had been to planet earth in 5,000 years."

After mentioning a book called Catastrophism and the Old Testament by Donald Patterson, Perry said, "Patterson believes these close encounters with earth initiated major trouble on planet earth. AT THE TIME OF NOAH'S FLOOD, MARS WAS ONLY 15,000 MILES AWAY FROM EARTH'S GRAVITATIONAL PULL, THE CLOSEST IT HAD EVER BEEN."

"If Dr. Patterson's theories are correct," Perry wrote, "and Mars was linked to the flood of Noah, then could the fact that Mars was the closest to the earth in August than at any other time during the past 5,000 or so years, be a sign of the 'days of Noah' and the return of Christ?" Perry also mentioned that "The last time the Hale-Bopp Comet was visible on planet earth was when Noah was building the ark."

I do think that big beautiful orange star in our sky is a sign. It is hard to miss. I've never seen anything like it before.

Jesus said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the time of the coming of the son of man" (Luke 17:26).

Saturn was in Gemini when Noah entered the Ark. That seems very significant. I think the time when Saturn is in Gemini now is our Rapture window. It lasts until about July 1, 2005, when Saturn enters Cancer.

Eph. 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Gemini depicts this. It is the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together at rest on the ecliptic, the path the planets travel. The presence of Saturn (Heb. Shabbatai, rest) in Gemini completes the picture. When we are raptured, we will rest with the Bridegroom on the planet that is at the same place in the sky that the Bride and Bridegroom are pictured in the Gospel in the Stars.

Back on 5-5-2000, there was a massing of heavenly bodies to get our attention, the Moon and Mars in Taurus, and Saturn, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and the Sun in next-door Aries. Then on 5-5-2002, the string of planets pointed to Gemini.

The Lord is trying to tell us something. In Luke 21:25, Jesus said, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring." In v. 28, he said, "And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Verse 36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Gemini means "the twins" and suggests a gem. Mal: 3:16,17 says, "a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my JEWELS; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him."

Gemini is the sign of Benjamin, which means "the son of my right hand." This ties in with Christ, called "the arm of the LORD" in Isa. 53:1. Psa. 77:10,11 says, "I will remember the years of the right hand of the most High. I will remember the works of the LORD."

I couldn't have figured some of these things out if I hadn't found out that Saturn was Heaven. Psa. 78:69 says, "he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever." Psa. 89:36,37 says, "His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness (therefore visible) in heaven. Selah" (meaning pause and think of that). Heaven is a sphere in our solar system. Since it is like the Earth, it is a planet.

Christ's throne, Heaven, is farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets that Ezekiel saw orbiting the Sun in concentric rings. Eze. 1:25-28 says, "there was a voice from the firmament (the expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space), when they stood, and had let down their wings. And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (Saturn's 7 rings, made up of ice crystals). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. That is why Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., the heavenly body) in his clearness."

The next time we will be able to see all five naked-eye planets simultaneously will be in 2004--mid-March to early April. However, the 5-planet span Mercury-Venus-Mars-Saturn-Jupiter will be much wider than what we saw in 2002. THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE--AS THE DAYS OF NOAH On May 16, 2004, next Ascension Day, creamy Saturn and orangey Mars will be together in Gemini drawing attention to that spot in the sky. It would be a fine day for the Pre-Trib Rapture, except for one thing. Saturn would not be a morning star. It is a morning star now, though. In Rev. 2:25-29, Jesus said, "that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I WILL GIVE HIM THE MORNING STAR. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." In Rev. 22:16, Jesus said, "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." However, the churches already have Christ in their hearts. It seems to mean that Heaven will be a morning star at the Rapture. Christ calls himself the morning star because he lives on the morning star. He also is the star that came out of Jacob (Nu. 24:17). The Rapture is as the days of Noah. Mt. 24:37-40 says, "AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Noah entered into the Ark on Cheshvan 17 (Gen. 7:11). That will be our Wed., November 12, 2003. Saturn will have traced its retrograde loop into Orion and returned to Gemini. On Nov. 8, there will be a TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE. During November, Saturn will be up all night. It will be both an evening and a morning star. Jupiter and Saturn will be brilliant in the east shortly after sunset. By Nov. 6, Saturn will be on the opposite side of the Earth from the Sun. It will then be closest to Earth. It will be beautiful, the rings will be tilted at almost maximum, a treat to view. Could Nov. 12, 2003 be the day of the Rapture? Maybe. Saturn will be a morning star in Gemini. The sky will be as the days of Noah. Compare the sky charts for Nov. 12 (approx. day) in BC 2387 (1st chart), when Noah entered the Ark, and Cheshvan 17, 5764, Nov. 12, 2003 (2nd chart).

Long wait for Jupiter return

By Dr David Whitehouse, 9-22-03

After Galileo, the focus is turning to Jupiter's sister planet, Saturn.

Starting in 2004, the Cassini craft will orbit the ringed world for many years and drop a probe on to its major moon, Titan.

MJA Note: Now that's a coincidence--starting in 2004.

Vatican Is Open to Becoming a Full Member of U.N.

ROME 9-21-03 ( Holy See would be prepared to become a full member of the United Nations, says the Vatican's secretary of state."

Incoming email, Re: Structural collapse on Temple Mount

9-23-03 - Muslims blame Israel for failure of interior wall in Al-Aqsa Mosque

Incoming email, Re: wall collapse, Reno, Nevada, September 24, 2003, Channel 4 News.

NEWS BRIEF: "Interior wall collapses at Jerusalem site holy to Muslims and Jews"
Jerusalem-AP - Israelis and Palestinians are blaming each other for the collapse of an interior wall at Jerusalem's most hotly disputed holy site. The wall is near the Islamic Museum on the hilltop where the Al Aqsa Mosque...

My comments

Here is a picture from the Cutting Edge. This is an exterior wall. As I understand it, there are two wall faces with dirt fill in between them. Since the dirt fill didn't fall, maybe the interior wall is intact.

European super-region plan touted

(Re: UN) "A struggle for relevance"

9-27-03 - Sydney Morning Herald

...Britain wants the permanent membership increased from five nations to 10, to include Germany, Japan, India, and one nation from Latin America and Africa. France - which also has a permanent seat - backed Germany and Japan, plus an African or Latin American member. Given their statements, Australia's ambassador to the UN, John Dauth, said it was fair to say that "THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN APPETITE FOR REFORM LIKE THERE IS RIGHT NOW"....

ANOTHER SIGN OF THINGS TO COME: "Falling meteorite piece lights up skies"

By Prafulla Das

BHUBANESWAR SEPT. 27. Panic gripped several coastal Orissa districts this evening when people saw a huge ball of fire falling from the sky, lighting up the entire region. The phenomenon, which lasted about 10 seconds, was caused by the disintegration of a big chunk of meteorite around 6.30 p.m....

Several people thought that there had been an air strike. Unconfirmed reports soon started pouring in from different areas that portions of the meteorite had fallen at different places.

It was confirmed by the administration officials that two houses were burnt in Surusuria village in Kaptipada area of Mayurbhanj district around the time when the shooting star was seen falling.

According to Jayadev Kar, senior scientist at the Pathani Samanta Planetarium here, meteorites are of asteroid as well as comet origin. "But today's typical piece appeared to be of asteroid origin," he said.

Incoming email

9-29-3 NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- When Roy Fausset walked into his Uptown home after work last week, he knew immediately that something was very, very wrong.

"The powder room door was open and it looked like an artillery shell had hit the room," he said.

Last Tuesday, something had fallen with enough force to punch a hole through the roof and two floors before coming to rest in the crawl space beneath the house.

It was a sandy-colored rock that appeared to have been burned around its edges. Preliminary tests by scientists at Tulane University indicate the rock came from outer space....

"I'm in shock," Fausset said after learning the rock had been identified as a meteorite. "Oh, that's scary. I will certainly go to church this Sunday, because the Lord was certainly sending me a message."

My comment

These seem like a Preview of things to come. This Earth will get hit with the rocks of Rev. 8:8,10. Men will hide in the dens and rocks of the mountains, and say to the rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb" (Rev. 6:16). And Saturn will be in Virgo, which depicts the birth of the Lamb.

See this: "A Daytime Fireball Over South Wales"

'Alien' stars invade Milky Way

By Dr David Whitehouse

Thousands of stars stripped from a nearby dwarf galaxy are streaming through our own Milky Way, according to astronomers.

"For only a few percent of its 240-million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski says.

"Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down on to our present position in the Milky Way.

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