Pro and Con 1062

Posted 10-7-03

Incoming email, Re: Your post


Thank you for this information. I appreciate all that you have posted to encourage the Body of Christ through the years.

We are close the end now . Bless you dear sister for your faithfulness! AGAPE.....maranatha

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. Agape and Maranatha

Meteor over WA creates sonic boom

By Selina Day, 10-7-03

A SPECTACULAR meteor streaked across the skies of south-west Western Australia overnight, creating a sonic boom as it broke the sound barrier and startling many country residents

The meteor vaporised near the Wheatbelt town of Dowerin, 157km north-east of Perth, about midnight (WST)....

Perth Observatory astronomer Peter Birch said the meteor was brighter than a full moon as it broke the sound barrier and woke Dowerin residents....

The random meteor had travelled from west to east, rather than the more-usual east-west trajectory.

My comment

Another warning shot, and it happened "about midnight".


By Marilyn Agee

Each of the 12 patriarchs of Israel had a sign of the Zodiac and a gemstone (Ex. 28:18-20) associated with them. Judah's sign was Leo, the Lion. That represents Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5) in the Gospel in the Stars. Gad's sign was Aries, the Ram. That represents Christ as the Lamb of God (John 1:29). Saturn was in Aries when Jesus was born in BC 5.


(1) Virgo the Virgin (Elul) Zebulon (dwelling, habitation)
(2) Libra the Balance (Tishri) Levi (who is held and associated)
(3) Scorpio. the Scorpion (Cheshvan) Dan (judgment)
(4) Saggitarius the Archer (Kislev) Asher (happy, walks prosperously)
(5) Capricorn the Goat (Tevet) Naphtali (comparison, likeness)
(6) Aquarius the Water Bearer (Shevat) Reuben (vision of the son)
(7) Pisces the fishes (Adar) Simeon (that hears, obeys)
(8) Aries the Ram (Nisan) Gad (a band, happy, prepared)
(9) Taurus the Bull (Iyar) Joseph (he shall add) [Ephraim, Manasseh] (addition - that brings fruit, forgetfulness)
(10) Gemini, the Twins (Sivan) Benjamin (son of the right hand)
(11) Cancer the Crab (Tammuz) Issachar (reward)
(12) Leo the Lion (Av) Judah (praise of the Lord)

Benjamin's sign was Gemini (meaning the twins). I think Gemini represents Christ as the Son of God's right hand, the Bridegroom, and the overcomers as the Bride of Christ at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The gem stone of Reuben, the firstborn, was Sardius. It was first on the breastplate. The gemstone of Benjamin, born last, was Jasper. Appropriately, it was last on the breastplate. These tie in with Yahweh King of Israel and with Yahweh of Hosts, the Redeemer.

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

In Rev. 1:11, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the first (Yahweh King of Israel) AND the last" (Yahweh of Hosts, the Redeemer). So that we would be sure to understand, in Rev. 22:13, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first AND the last." The pre-incarnate Christ was LORD (YHVH, Yahweh King of Israel) of the Old Testament. The incarnate Christ is Lord (Yahweh of Hosts, the Redeemer) of the New Testament.

In Rev. 4:2,3 John said, "immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a JASPER and a SARDINE stone (the first and last stones of the breastplate): and there was a rainbow round about the throne (i.e., the rings around Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's gem stone). Yahweh King of Israel sits on the throne in Rev. 4:2. As the "first," he gave the seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth to the "last," the Lion of the tribe of Judah and the Lamb of God (Rev. 5:5-7).

Of the 12 patriarchs of Israel, only Benjamin was born in the promised land. Rachel (meaning ewe) died when he was born. Gen. 48:7 says, "when I (Jacob) came from Padan (where Laban lived), Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath (meaning fruitful): and I buried her there in the way (road) of Ephrath, the same is Bethlehem" (meaning house of bread). So Benjamin was born in the land allotted to him later on. Rachel was probably buried about 1 mile north of Bethlehem and 4 miles south of Jerusalem, not at the later structure now called Rachel's tomb in Bethlehem.

Benjamin (meaning son of my right hand) being born on the road to Bethlehem is perfect symbolism for Jesus was born in Bethlehem after Joseph and Mary came down that same road. Joseph (meaning he shall add) lived in Nazareth (meaning branch) in Galilee (meaning circle). He traveled to Bethlehem (meaning house of bread) when Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in BC 5.

Ruth and Boaz, great grand parents of David, were married in the area of Bethlehem, resulting in King David being born there, from which it has been called the "City of David." Because king David was born there, his descendants Joseph and Mary had to go to Bethlehem to register when Jesus was born. They may have had to register by that time because the New Year was beginning.

Joshua 18:11 says, "the lot of the tribe of the children of Benjamin came up according to their families: and the coast of their lot came forth between the children of Judah and the children of Joseph."

Gen 35:18 says, "it came to pass, as her [Rachel's] soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni (meaning son of my sorrow): but his father called him Benjamin", which means son of my right hand. That is because Jesus Christ, the Son of God, called God's arm (Isa. 52:10; 53:1) and right hand (Psa. 44:3), was also to be born inside Benjamin's land.

Mark 10:31 says, "many that are first shall be last; and the last first." That's interesting. In the foundation of the wall of New Jerusalem in Rev. 21:19, "The first foundation was jasper", Benjamin's stone. The last stone in the breastplate became the first in the foundation of the heavenly city. In Egypt, Joseph gave Benjamin larger portions, rewards, than to his brothers too.

De. 33:12 explains, "And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him; and the LORD shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders." Because of this, Benjamin deserved to be made first.

I think Benjamin's sign, Gemini, is the sign of the first Rapture, the Pre-Trib Rapture. The tribe of Benjamin was the smallest. The first Rapture will probably be the smallest. Christ is the good shepherd. We are his sheep in the Lesser Sheepfold (now called Ursa Minor) pictured in the constellations. The Greater Sheepfold (now Ursa Major) represents the Tribulation saints gathered at the Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7:9,14).

In the Denderah Zodiac in Egypt, Gemini is Clusus, or Claustrum Hor, meaning THE PLACE OF HIM WHO COMES. The one who comes is Christ. Heaven is His place. I think that when Saturn, His place, is in Gemini, the Rapture will take place. Like Benjamin, that group will receive a larger reward. They will be the Bride of Christ.

In the sign of Gemini are two figures. The male represents He who comes. That is Christ as the coming Bridegroom. The female figure represents His Bride. Eph 2:6 says that God "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

It is fitting that the Bride is holding a harp, the symbol of redemption. Eph. 4:30 says to "grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (i.e., the Rapture).

Sick of Mars? Try Saturn

Saturn is fast becoming an eye-catching sight in the morning sky. Jupiter's not bad either.

...First, try Saturn.

You'll have to wake up early to do it, about 5 o'clock in the morning, but that's not much earlier than usual on a school day. Look high in the eastern sky. Saturn sits in the middle of the constellation Gemini. The planet is about three and a half times brighter than Castor and Pollux, Gemini's brightest stars, so it's easy to pick out.

When observing Saturn, a telescope is recommended. Not because Saturn is dim. It's because you'll want to see the planet's magnificent rings. They're almost twice as wide as Mars, an easy target for small telescopes.

Above: On Sept. 13th, amateur astronomer Ron Wayman of Tampa, Florida, took this picture of Saturn using his 8" telescope and a digital camera....

Closest asteroid yet flies past Earth

MJA note: This sure seems to be a warning shot. Notice the date, Sept. 27. That was Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, the same Jewish date that the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath.
By Jeff Hecht,10-2-03

An asteroid about the size of a small house passed just 88,000 kilometres from the Earth by on Saturday 27 September - the closest approach of a natural object ever recorded....

The asteroid, designated 2003 SQ222, came from inside the Earth's orbit and so was only spotted after it had whizzed by. The first sighting was on Sunday 28 by the Lowell Observatory Near-Earth Object Search program in Arizona, US.

Amateur astronomer Peter Birtwhistle of Great Shefford, Berkshire, UK, then photographed it on Monday 29. This provided data that helped Brian Marsden, of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, to calculate its orbit.

The asteroid's 1.85-year orbit is quite eccentric, indicating it cannot be a man-made object, Marsden says. He estimates the asteroid measured less than 10 metres. This is too small to have posed a danger to Earth, although it would have made a spectacular fireball had it entered the atmosphere.

The passage came at about 2300 GMT, only 10 hours after a bright fireball streaked over the Orissa region of India. Indian villagers have found pieces of the meteorite, which reportedly cause two house fires. However, this event was not connected to the fly past of 2003 SQ222, says Marsden.

Austrian Cardinal Says Pope Nearing Death

By Crispian Balmer, 10-2-3

...Pope John Paul, who suffers from Parkinson's Disease and can no longer walk without help, has appeared weaker than normal in recent public appearances and has struggled to speak at times....

MJA: Remember that Sept. 27, 2003 was Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets
Yasser Arafat reportedly has suffered three heart attacks since late August and his latest attack on September 27!

Yasser Arafat Suffers Three Heart Attacks

Debka-Net Weekly

Long considered indestructible by his admirers, Yasser Arafat at 74 is finally showing signs of mortality.

From late August, he has suffered three heart attacks, each more serious than the other, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence and Palestinian sources reveal....

The passing or incapacity of Yasser Arafat, Palestinian national symbol for 40 years, would shake his leadership structure to the core.

Incoming email, Re: Elijah is here

Dear Sister Marilyn in Christ Jesus' Name,

Today I read your post at Five Doves, and you are correct that Elijah must first come. You need to know that Elijah is here, and has been for 24 years. This is not a reincarnation. He is a man that has received the spirit of Elijah as John the Baptist did. I lived with Elijah for a month and a half earlier this year in Cyprus. He is the real one.

You can read Lord God's Messages given through his prophet Elijah, one of the two last day witnesses of Revelation chapter 11, at the website Lord Jesus had us to establish for this purpose.

Ask the Lord Jesus to tell you about this man with a heart to really want to know His truth. I Jn. 2:27.

Elijah the Tishbite, PO Box 53702, Main Post Office - Gladstone Street, Limassol CYPRUS

Messages of God servant prophet Elijah are on internet at:

Posted Messages are available to download at:

Stay strong in your most holy faith He has given you. In Jesus' Name

My reply

> > Messages from Elijah ->Michael is Jesus Christ ->Michael is Jesus Christ

Sounds like the Jehovah's Witnesses. That line is not the truth. Therefore, the rest of what he says is down the drain. Jesus Christ is "the Lord from Heaven", not Michael the Archangel. I Cor. 15:47 says, "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven." Having been in Heaven, the real Elijah would know that. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Christ is the Redeemer, the LORD of hosts. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Christ is both the King of Israel and the Redeemer, Lord of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament."

In Rev. 22:13,16, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning (YHVH King of Israel) AND the end (YHVH of hosts), the first AND the last...I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHVH King of Israel) AND the offspring (Jesus) of David."

Jesus has two natures, fully man and fully God. Isa. 6:9 says, "For unto us a child is born (inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Isa. 48:16-18 says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I (Christ): and now the Lord GOD (#1, the Father), and his Spirit (#2, the Holy Spirit), hath sent me (#3, Christ). Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Christ); I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! (given Moses at Mt. Sinai) then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea."

The Lord of the Old Testament was the pre-incarnate Christ. The Lord of the New Testament is the incarnate Christ. John 1:14 says, "And the Word (God, vs. 1-3) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isa. 48:12,13 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), I ALSO am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer). Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together." He is the Creator.

John 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Agape

Note: Rev 19:13 says that Jesus Christ "was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

To: Tom Gaston (1 Oct 2003)
Re: "We are NOT in the first 1260 days"

I agree that we are NOT in the first 1260 days of the Tribulation/70th week of Dan. 9:27.

> > This my friend is why we are NOT in the first half of the 70th week of Daniel at this present time, and neither are we recipients of God's wrath program within the 70th week of Daniel, which takes place "within" the day of the Lord," which follows the rapture.

I don't see how the Day of the Lord can come until after Elijah comes. Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."

The Day of the Lord begins with the day of many names. It is the the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Day of God's Wrath, the Day of Darkness, the Day of Destruction (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3). Agape

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Sean Lewis (30 Sep 2003)
"Re: Ola llori"

From: Marilyn Agee
To: Sean, Re: First Resurrection

> > FIRST means FIRST and not otherwise. Hence, there can be no resurrection at the rapture since the martyrs of revelation will be part of the FIRST RESURRECTION!

Stop and think a minute. I Thess. 4:16 says, "the dead in Christ shall rise." They will be resurrected at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Since you do not think there is resurrection until the Tribulation saints are caught up to Heaven, please think about Mt. 27:52. It says, "And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose." That's resurrection. The First Resurrection has to include those Old Testament saints that were resurrected right after Jesus was resurrected.

The ranks in the First Resurrection started when Jesus was resurrected. He is the Head of the Body of Christ that is to be raptured in the First Resurrection. Therefore, the First Resurrection includes:

(1) Christ (Mt. 28:6,7)
(2) Old Testament saints (Mt. 27:52)
(3) Church saints (I Thess. 4:16)
(4) Tribulation saints (I Cor. 15:22,23)

Only after all 4 ranks are in Heaven is the First Resurrection complete.

I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

Christ's next coming from Heaven to meet with mankind will take place at the Pre-Trib Rapture. They that are the dead in Christ at this coming will be resurrected and rise to meet him in the air. Agape

Incoming email, Re: The last Pope, almost gone?

From: Jim Bramlett, 9-30-03

Retired professor Thomas A Gosink, an e-mail friend, is a Catholic and student of Catholic prophecies. Today I received the below from him. I know that some of you automatically reject Catholic prophecies, and I know your reasons, so please spare me your arguments. I also have concerns, but the one below is fascinating in view of other biblical interpretations.

The rapidly declining health of Pope John Paul II makes one recall a prophecy delivered in 1963 at Garabandal, Spain. One of the then 14-year-old peasant visionaries, when informed of the death of Pope John XXIII, said: "Now only three popes are left", and, "one of those popes will have a very short reign". A few months later she reffirmed that the Blessed Virgin told her that "there will only be two more popes after Pope Paul VI". Pope John Paul I was the pope with the very short reign (1 month in 1978), thus verifying the visionary as a prophet of God (Deut. 18:21), and Pope John Paul II is that third pope.
An Associated Press news report today from the Vatican says: "Ailing Pope John Paul II is 'in a bad way,' one of his closest advisers said in an interview published Tuesday, calling on the faithful to pray for him."

Will the current Pope John Paul II, indeed, be the last? Jim

My reply to Sean's post on the Five Doves site

Subject: seanl102-1.htm
Sean Lewis (2 Oct 2003)
"Re: Marilyn Agee"
From Marilyn:

> > No they wouldn't be resurrected at the pre-trib rapture. You have forgotten that death is an alternative to escaping the tribulation. Some will die before the rapture in order to escape, while those alive will be raptured in order escape. The dead will wait until when Jesus physically returns after the tribulation.

If the "dead in Christ" rise not, then we will not rise up either, for we are to rise up WITH them to meet Christ in the air. I Thess. 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Both Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath, must take place prior to our returning with Christ at the Second Advent, I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place 7 months before the Second Advent. Zech. 14:5 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and ALL THE SAINTS with thee." All the saints get their resurrection bodies before they come back with Christ.

Saints are not to be the recipients of God's Wrath, which is to be poured out on unbelievers on Earth while the saints are all in Heaven getting their rewards. Rev. 11: 15-18 says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices IN HEAVEN, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever (this is Christ's Coronation Day IN HEAVEN). And the four and twenty elders (23 of whom were caught up with the 24th, John in the Pre-Trib Rapture), which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art (on the day of God's Wrath), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (7 months in the future at the Second Advent); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give REWARD (at the Judgment Seat of Christ) unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth."

Seven months before the Second Advent, all the believers are in Heaven getting their rewards while the unbelievers on Earth get their just rewards for their unbelief.

After the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets, the Jews will bury the dead 7 months to cleanse the land for Christ's glorious return on the following Nisan 1, seven months after the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

No believer will be on the Earth after the Pre-Wrath Rapture catches the Tribulation saints up in the night or morning of the Day of God's Wrath. The wrath hits the Earth at noon that same day. The mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea at noon.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel, 1948); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., in Heaven) in the day of the LORD's anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

> > > Mt. 27:52. It says, "And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose." That's resurrection. The First Resurrection has to include those Old Testament saints that were resurrected right after Jesus was resurrected. > > Replying Marilyn: Yes, its a resurrection, but that resurrection has nothing to do with Christ's physical second coming which is what He is referring to in revelation as being the time of the FIRST resurrection comprising of the martyrs of revelation along with all the righteous dead from all the ages at His physical second coming.

I think ALL saints will have received their rewards in Heaven on the Day of God's Wrath on Earth, 7 months before the Second Advent. None will be raised up at the Second Advent. All saints includes those of the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture after the Day of God's Wrath begins, but before noon, when the wrath hits Earth. They will return to Earth with Christ at the Second Advent. At that time, the 24 elders (the 12 patriarchs of Israel and the 12 apostles of Israel) will be seated on their thrones. This time, they will judge. In I Cor. 6:3, Jesus told the apostles, "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"

Psa. 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; TO EXECUTE UPON THEM THE JUDGMENT WRITTEN: THIS HONOUR HAVE ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD." The first resurrection includes "all his saints," even though they are raised up at intervals, the last being the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints on the Day of God's Wrath, which is the first day of Christ's millennial reign.

> > >1 Thess. 4:16 "For THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first"

> >** Jesus does not descend with a shout at the rapture. Thank you. He simply calls up His lovely bride with the sound of the trumpet that says "Come up Hither", just as the two witnesses of revelation will be called up. Jesus will only descend AFTER the tribulation when He will returns physically for ALL EYES TO SEE HIM!

> >** It is when He comes after the tribulation for every eye to see Him that He will descend from Heaven with a shout.

Don't you fear God when you say he does the opposite from what Scripture says? I'd be scared to death to say such a thing when we have clear scripture that says otherwise. Agape

My reply to incoming e-mail, Re: Did Paul reveal to us the time frame of the Rapture in I Cor

From: GT Grenough, who also sent it to the Five Doves site.

> > We remember that Heaven's Court and Gates were opened on Rosh HaShana and for the following 10 days the scepter of God's mercy was extended to all with contrite hearts.
> > Now it is time for the gates of the Heavenly court to close. But before that happens, there is one final call.
> > One final blast of the Shofar is given just before the closing of Heaven's gates. This is the ultimate Last Call to return before the doors are closed.
This final trump is called Shofar HaGadol..."The Great Call".
> > "Behold I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (Shofar HaGadol): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (transfigured).....for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53

Since the Tribulation saints are not to go through God's Wrath, I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. It would be in the night or morning. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 is to hit the Mediterranean Sea at noon. The Tribulation saints will be saved so as by fire.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel, 1948); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (by being raptured) in the day of the LORD's anger (Tishri 1). For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the days of Lot (which appropriately means HIDDEN). I think the second Rapture will be on the so-called hidden day, Tishri 1. Agape

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