Pro and Con 1064

Posted 10-14-03


By Marilyn Agee

The Vernal or Spring Equinox (about March 21) is said to have been in Gemini from BC 6266 to BC 4106. Thus, the Vernal Equinox was in Gemini when Eve was taken out of the body of Adam on Elul 29 in BC 4044. I think God rested and this kosmos began to operate the next day, on Tishri 1. Eve being taken out of Adam's body was a type of the Bride of Christ being taken out of the Body of Christ at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

When Eve was taken out of the body of Adam, Saturn was entering Pisces. I think the two fish in Pisces represent the two groups to be caught up to Heaven in the Gospel in the Stars. The smaller fish is swimming upward while the larger fish is to be swimming back as if to get more water from Aquarius, the water-bearer (i.e., Christ, the source of the Holy Spirit). That reminds me of the foolish virgins that went to buy more oil of the Holy Spirit. While they were gone, the Bridegroom came and the door was closed.

At the Vernal Equinox, night is 12 hours and day is 12 hours, as the Jewish day is described. The Equinox was in Aries from BC 1946 to 215 AD. Thus, Jesus was born in BC 5 and died in 30 AD while the Equinox was in Aries, the Ram. That is fitting. He is the Lamb of God, and He is our Passover Lamb.

Because of the precession of the equinoxes, from 215 AD to 2375 AD, the Vernal Equinox is in Pisces. It takes 25,920 years for the axis of Earth to describe a full circle.

Saturn (Shabbatai, the Sabbatic, rest; i.e., Heaven), was also in Aries when Jesus was born. It was in Gemini, the twins, at the time of the Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension. It looks promising for Saturn to be in Gemini at our ascension.

Jesus told the churches that he would give the overcomers the morning star (Rev. 2:28). Saturn is in Gemini now, as it was at the Ascension. Saturn became a morning star about Aug. 14, 2003 and will not be a morning star after about Jan. 8, 2004. I'm hoping for the Rapture between now and then. It is as in the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37), and Noah entered the Ark Cheshvan 17 (Gen. 7:11). That will be our Nov. 12, 2003. Hope that will be the Rapture.

Both Raptures will take place while the Vernal Equinox is in Pisces. Both "fish" will be caught up to God. No wonder there were "two fishes" when Jesus fed the 5000 (Mt. 14:19). Each of the two fish in Pisces represents a multitude. There also were five loaves of barley bread (John 6:9). Each of the 5000 ate the bread that symbolized Christ. In John 6:48, Jesus said, "I am that bread of life." Barley was the offering on the Feast of Firstfruits.

After feeding the 5000, Jesus came to his disciples walking on the water in the middle of the Sea of Galilee. They "willingly received him into the ship: and IMMEDIATELY THE SHIP WAS AT THE LAND WHITHER THEY WENT" (John 6:21).

That might demonstrate our trip to Heaven. Capernaum, where they were headed, means city of comfort (i.e., rest), or handsome city. Mt. 9:1 says, "And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into HIS OWN CITY." That's a good reason for it representing Heaven. The Bible mentions the land of Gennesaret and the lake of Gennesaret, meaning the garden of the Prince. Mark 16:23 says, "when they had passed over, they came into the land of Gennesaret, and drew to the shore. Luke 5:1 says, "as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret." Jesus said, "Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Right now, the sky looks promising for the Rapture. We have Saturn in Gemini, the twins, Jupiter in Leo, the lion, Mercury and Venus in Virgo, the virgin. Saturn will be a morning star (Rev. 2:28) until about Jan. 8, 2004.


By Marilyn Agee

"What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!" (Mt. 8:27).

There can be no doubt that the Angel of the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) is the Angel of God. Ex. 14:18,19 says, "the Egyptians shall know that I AM THE LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen. And THE ANGEL OF GOD, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them."

1Co 10:1-4 says, "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST."

Ju. 6:12 says, "the ANGEL OF THE LORD appeared unto him (Gideon), and said unto him, The LORD is with thee." They conversed with each other. Then verses 20-23 say, "THE ANGEL OF GOD said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. Then THE ANGEL OF THE LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then THE ANGEL OF THE LORD departed out of his sight. And when Gideon perceived that he was an ANGEL OF THE LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an ANGEL OF THE LORD face to face. And the LORD (YHVH) said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die."

I Chron. 21:16-18 says, "David lifted up his eyes, and saw THE ANGEL OF THE LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. And David said unto GOD, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD MY GOD, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued. Then THE ANGEL OF THE LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite" (i.e., at the temple mount in Jerusalem).

Hos. 12:3-5 says, "He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had POWER WITH GOD: Hos 12:4 Yea, he had POWER OVER THE ANGEL, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us; Even THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS."

Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ); and beside me there is no God.

In Isa. 63,8-10 we see the Saviour, the angel of his presence and the Holy Spirit. It says, "he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so HE WAS THEIR SAVIOUR. In all their affliction he was afflicted, and THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed HIS HOLY SPIRIT."

The Spirit of God is equal to the Spirit of Christ. Rom 8:9 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his."

In. Isa. 48:16,17, we can discern the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Son was talking. He said, "Come ye near unto me, HEAR YE THIS; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning (Gen. 1:1); from the time that it was, there am I: and now the (1) Lord GOD, and (2) his Spirit, hath sent (3) me. Thus saith the LORD, THY REDEEMER (the YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6, the pre-incarnate Christ), the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD."

In Ex. 3:1-4, Moses took his father-in-law's flock to Mt. Horeb (meaning desert), which is Mt. Sinai (meaning pointed). Moses "led the flock to the backside of the desert (which was between Mt. Sinai and the Mediterranean Sea), and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. And the ANGEL OF THE LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush...And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, GOD called unto him out of the midst of the bush."

The LORD, Yahweh, is the "everlasting God" and the "Creator of the ends of the earth." Isa 40:28 says, "Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding."

Yahweh the Father is invisible to man. Ex. 33:20 says, "You cannot see my face, for a man shall not see me and live." John 1:18 says, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Man cannot know God, except as he is revealed in the Son of God.

The "angel of God" has been seen by man. Therefore, the Angel of God is the Son of God, not God the Father.

The Son of God existed before he appeared on Earth as a man. He is the Creator himself. Christ is the "Word".John 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

The Son of God is "The Word of God." Rev 19:13 says, "he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD." When the Word of God came to the prophets, it was the Son of God. He has always been the one that dealt with mankind.

Aside from the fact that the human body of Jesus is the virgin-born Son of God, the eternal Son of God that is in Jesus is "the Lord from heaven." 1Co 15:47 says, "The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man (Jesus Christ) is THE LORD FROM HEAVEN."

When the LORD appeared to Abraham, it was the Son of God, the LORD from heaven, that appeared in human form.

Gen. 18:1f says, "the LORD (YHVH) appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he (Abraham) sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, THREE MEN (two literal angels that later went to Lot's house in Sodom) plus the Angel of the Lord) stood by him: and when HE SAW THEM, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said....and they did eat. And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he (the Angel of the Lord) said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son."...

"And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD (YHVH; i.e., the Angel of the Lord) said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do...And the LORD (YHVH) said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I (i.e., as the Angel of the Lord) will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it...

"And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: BUT ABRAHAM STOOD YET BEFORE THE LORD (YHVH, i.e., the Angel of the LORD that can appear to man). And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH (the Son of God, 'For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son,' John 5:22): do right?...

"And the LORD (i.e., the Son of God, the judge) said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes....Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. And the LORD (i.e., the Angel of the LORD, appearing as a man) went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham".

The Angel of the LORD can speak to man from Heaven. Gen. 22:10-12,15 says, "Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son...And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time."

Jacob wrestled with a man, i.e., God the Angel of the LORD, all night. Gen. 32:24,29,30 says, "Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a MAN with him until the breaking of the day....And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel (meaning the face of God): for I HAVE SEEN GOD FACE TO FACE, and my life is preserved." Man can look at and wrestle the Son of God and live, although the Angel of the LORD touched "the sinew that shrank" (v. 32).

In Gen. 48:15,16, Jacob equated God with the Angel. He also showed us that the Angel was the Redeemer. That makes the Angel of the LORD the YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer of Isa. 44:6, the pre-incarnate Christ. Gen. 48:15,16 says, "he blessed Joseph, and said, GOD, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the GOD which fed me all my life long unto this day, The ANGEL which REDEEMED ME from all evil, bless the lads."

The Angel of the LORD is sometimes visible and sometimes invisible. When Balaam's ass first saw the Angel of the LORD, Balaam could not see Him. Later, "the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw THE ANGEL OF THE LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand" (Nu. 22:31). After that, the Angel of the LORD spoke to Balaam, and Balaam answered Him.

In I Kings, 19:7-9, THE ANGEL OF THE LORD is THE WORD OF THE LORD, which is the the Son of God, the pre-incarnate Christ. He spoke to Elijah. When Elijah prayed to die, "THE ANGEL OF THE LORD came again the second time, and touched him, and said, Arise and eat; because the journey is too great for thee. And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God (Mt. Sinai). And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, THE WORD OF THE LORD came to him, AND SAID UNTO HIM, What doest thou here, Elijah?" (I Kings 197-9).

It is astonishing to find that the Angel of the Lord is not mentioned as acting in New Testament times. Why? because the incarnate Christ has all the attributes and work of the Angel of the LORD. It's because "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

The Hebrew word for angel is "malach" meaning messenger. The Son of God, the Angel of the LORD, the Lord Jesus Christ, is God's messenger to mankind.

In John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

THE ANGEL OF THE LORD is THE WORD OF GOD, which is our Lord Jesus christ. The Son of God made himself visible long before he resided in the human body of Jesus. He is the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) that has dealt directly with mankind from Adam's day to ours.

Ex. 6: 2,3 says, "I am the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh): And I appeared to Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob by the name of GOD ALMIGHTY, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the ALMIGHTY."

In John 20:28, Thomas called Jesus, "My Lord and my God!", and Jesus is my Lord and my God.

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I saw a shot film today taken of Arafat two weeks ago and his face looks like a skeleton. He is dying quickly. If it's true the pope is also dying quickly of stomach/colon cancer, then we are moving rapidly to major changes. Israel will, I think, upon Arafat's death, move into Arafat's area and kill the rest of Hamas and others there. Then there will be someone representing the Palestinians who will make peace with the Israel and a new pope to oversee the religious sites of Jerusalem as the Vatican has offered to do.

The headquarters of the UN was bombed in Baghdad not long ago, so they may decide to move 50 miles south of Baghdad to Babylon. Surely we are not long on this earth.

Saturn: You know about Saturn, and I don't. I read it is made up of gasses. There has to be some rock somewhere there, but is there a hard surface? Is it hard like earth is hard? It has no atmosphere like ours so are we not going to have human form like we do now? Will we perhaps be spirit instead of having bodies as we know bodies on earth? That question might be answered if you can tell us the make-up of Saturn which I think you must know.

I also think we talk so much about getting to heaven that we ignore the description of heaven given in the last two chapters of Revelation. Will Saturn, as we know it to be today with its present atmosphere/gasses, be able to support the holy city spoken of in these last two chapters? Thanks for your response, Love

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Here are some interesting things about Saturn that I found on the Internet. Below these are some things about Heaven that are in the Bible.

The reason Saturn is known as the Bringer of Old Age is because it is the slowest orbiting of all the planets. It takes 29.5 years to complete one orbit.

...Much of what is known about the planet is due to the Voyager explorations in 1980-81. Saturn is visibly flattened at the poles, a result of the very fast rotation of the planet on its axis. Its day is 10 hours, 39 minutes long, and it takes 29.5 Earth years to revolve about the Sun. The atmosphere is primarily composed of hydrogen with small amounts of helium and methane....

The ring composition is not known for certain, but the rings do show a significant amount of water. They may be composed of icebergs and/or snowballs from a few centimeters to a few meters in size....
The Bringer of Old Age

Saturn's interior is similar to Jupiter's consisting of a rocky core, a liquid metallic hydrogen layer and a molecular hydrogen layer. Traces of various ices are also present.

Saturn's interior is hot (12000 K at the core) and Saturn radiates more energy into space than it receives from the Sun. Most of the extra energy is generated by the Kelvin-Helmholtz mechanism as in Jupiter. But this may not be sufficient to explain Saturn's luminosity; some additional mechanism may be at work, perhaps the "raining out" of helium deep in Saturn's interior....

Like the other jovian planets, Saturn has a significant magnetic field....

Saturn's rings are extraordinarily thin: though they're 250,000 km or more in diameter they're less than one kilometer thick. Despite their impressive appearance, there's really very little material in the rings -- if the rings were compressed into a single body it would be no more than 100 km across.

The ring particles seem to be composed primarily of water ice, but they may also include rocky particles with icy coatings....

Saturn was first visited by Pioneer 11 in 1979 and later by Voyager 1 and Voyager 2. Cassini, now on its way, will arrive in 2004.
Rising Storms Revise Story Of Jupiter's Stripes

..."The range of illumination angles at which Cassini viewed Jupiter's main ring gives insight about particles in the ring by the way they scatter sunlight. The particles appear to be irregularly shaped, not spheres," said camera-team leader Dr. Carolyn Porco of Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, Colo. "They likely come from surfaces of one or more moons being eroded by micrometeoroid impacts," she said....
The Planet

...Scientists believe Saturn's interior is similar to Jupiter's, consisting of a rocky core much like the size of Earth, a liquid metallic hydrogen layer and a molecular hydrogen layer. Traces of various ices are also present. Saturn's interior is hot. At the core, the temperature is about 12,000 degrees Kelvin (21,150 degrees Fahrenheit). Saturn radiates more energy into space than it receives from the Sun....

Winds in Saturn's upper atmosphere can reach speeds of 1,800 kilometers (1,118 miles) per hour near its equator. In contrast, the strongest hurricane-force winds on Earth top out at about 396 kilometers (246 miles) per hour. These super-fast winds, combined with heat rising from within the planet's interior, cause the yellow and gold bands visible in Saturn's atmosphere....

The hundreds of rings orbiting around Saturn are made up of billions of ice and rock particles, with sizes ranging from small debris to chunks as big as houses....
Saturn's ring system

The rings have been given letter names in the order of their discovery. The main rings are, working outward from the planet, known as C, B, and A. The Cassini Division is the largest gap in the rings and separates Rings B and A. In addition a number of fainter rings have been discovered more recently. The D Ring is exceedingly faint and closest to the planet. The F Ring is a narrow feature just outside the A Ring. Beyond that are two far fainter rings named G and E....
Hubble Provides Clear Images of Saturn's Aurora

...Here is the picture of Saturn taken by the Hubble telescope in ultraviolet light. The glowing, swirling material at Saturn's poles is its auroral "curtains," rising more than a thousand miles above the cloud tops.

Saturn's auroral displays are caused by an energetic wind from the Sun that sweeps over the planet, much like Earth's aurora, which is occasionally seen in the nighttime sky. The process that triggers these auroras is similar to the phenomenon that causes fluorescent lamps to glow.
Winds of Serious Change at Saturn Surprise Astronomers
By Robert Roy Britt, 04 June 2003

...Saturn gets just 1 percent of the solar radiation that bathes our planet....

Saturn is tipped about 25 degrees....

Psa. 89:36,37 says, "His (David's) seed (Jesus Christ) shall endure for ever, and HIS THRONE AS THE SUN before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON, and as a faithful witness (therefore visible) in heaven. Selah" (meaning pause and think of that).

In Psa. 78:69, we find that the Lord "built his sanctuary (tabernacle) like high palaces (planets), LIKE THE EARTH" (a planet).

In the LXX, Job 38:37,38 says, "who is he that numbers the clouds in wisdom, and has bowed the the earth? For it (Heaven) is spread out AS DUSTY EARTH, AND I HAVE CEMENTED IT AS ONE HEWN STONE TO ANOTHER" (i.e., it was formed by coalescence.

As the Sun, Moon and dusty Earth show that the place of Christ's throne in Heaven is an orbiting planetary sphere in our Solar System. It has to be large enough to have a spherical shape like the Sun, Moon and Earth. As it was formed by coalescence, each stone is as close to the center of gravity as it can get.

The Lord's Tabernacle on Earth was built according to the pattern of His heavenly Tabernacle. The Holy of Holies represents Heaven as if a sphere was contained within that cube. Both the cube and sphere have measurements that are the same. The length and width and depth are equal. This is also true of New Jerusalem in Rev. 21:16.

The Holy Place was made up of two cubes. These three cubes of the Tabernacle give us a clue to where Heaven is located. It is the third heaven, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. In II Cor. 12, Paul was caught up (harpazo, like the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16,17) to the third heaven, so that also marks off Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

God's number is 7, and Saturn is the 7th lamp on the candlestick. Josephus, a Pharisee priest and Jewish historian, said that the candlestick "spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them....and these branches carried seven lamps, one by one, in imitation of the number of the planets" (Ant. III. VI. 7). The arms of the candlestick are semi circles, suggesting the circular orbits of the heavenly bodies.

In his "Wars of the Jews," Josephus said, "the seven lamps signified the seven planets; for so many there were springing out of the candlestick. Now, the twelve loaves that were upon the table signified the circle of the zodiac and the year" (Wars, V. V. 5).

The original Zodiac was God's Gospel in the Stars. According to Josephus, it was originally drawn by Adam and Seth, and maybe some of Seth's descendants. He said, "They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order" (Ant. I. II. 3).

Adam was given information directly by the Lord. Adam understood a lot. He even predicted "that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water" (Ant. I. II. 3).

Psa. 147:4 tells us that God "telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names." That is important, for the names of the stars and their constellations tell the story of the coming one, the seed of the woman, that would save mankind. God evidently guided the original drawing of the Zodiac. It is of great antiquity and known by all nations.

The story starts in Virgo, the virgin, and ends in Leo, the Lion. Jesus is the seed of the woman and the Lion of the tribe of Judah. He is also Aries, the Lamb of God and Cepheus, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Job 38:32 asks, "Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in HIS SEASON? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?" Mazzaroth means Zodiac. We can't bring the signs of the Zodiac in Christ's season, but God can, has and will.

In both BC 5, when Jesus was born, and 30 AD, when he was Crucified and Resurrected, the Vernal Equinox was in Aries, the Ram, pointing out to us that he is the Lamb of God. In BC 5, Saturn was also in Aries.

In 30 AD, Saturn was in Gemini, twins, when Jesus ascended. Acts 1:9-11 tells us that "he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight...two men (probably Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee (circle, i.e., sphere, Heaven)...this same Jesus, which is taken up (epairo, lifted up) from you into heaven, shall so come IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven." Saturn is in Gemini right now. His coming to rapture us Chesvan 17 (Nov. 12, 2003) would be "in like manner."

The Rapture is also as in the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Saturn was in Gemini when Noah entered the Ark. The Rapture now would be as in Noah's day too.

It would not be as the days of Lot. Saturn was in Virgo in Lot's day. On Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), Saturn will be in Virgo. That is a good match, for the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28).

The sky in the days of Lot do not match the sky on Sept. 13, 2007. Saturn will be in conjunction with the king star Regulus in Leo at that time. I thought that would be the first day of Christ's millennial reign, but the match with Lot's day points to 2010.

If Nov. 4, 2007 is Mid-Trib, Saturn will be in Leo showing who is the real Lion of the tribe of Judah.

Luke 21:25 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring."

Rom. 1:20 says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

> > There has to be some rock somewhere there, but is there a hard surface?

Yes. Psa. 27:5 says, "For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in HIS PAVILION: in the secret of his tabernacle (third cube represents third heaven) shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a ROCK."

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up (at the Pre-Trib Rapture) also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was taken up out of the miry pit), and SET MY FEET UPON A ROCK, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song (sung by the raptured saints in Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

> > Will we perhaps be spirit instead of having bodies as we know bodies on earth?

I don't know the whole story on this. I Cor. 15:40 says, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

I John 3:2 says, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

From what we know now, I'd think we would look much like we do now. Remember Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration. Also, when caught up to the third heaven in II Cor. 12, Paul couldn't tell if he was in the body or out of the body.

> > description of heaven given in the last two chapters of Revelation. Will Saturn, as we know it to be today with its present atmosphere/gasses, be able to support the holy city spoken of in these last two chapters?

Of course, but New Jerusalem may be a separate sphere and a home away from home during the Millennium. It seems that it will come down out of Heaven and orbit the Earth.

Rev. 21:10,11,23-27 says, "he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal...

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." Agape

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