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We became aware of the existence of your super-interesting and super-exciting Web page on the 20th of April 1998 when we received an e-mail from the daughter of our friend Pastor. We are with you and the rest of the faithful followers and disciples of the Lord Jesus in the "countdown" to the great day of our Lord up in the clouds just in case "this is it." Thank you for all your efforts of 38 years of "DEEP-WORD DIVING" to collect the priceless "PEARLS" on the bottom of the "SPIRITUAL OCEAN" of the Lord God Almighty. Your research contribution to the Kingdom of God on this planet is indeed "THE BEST" that the world has ever seen. Such was not since the beginning of end-times writing, no, nor ever shall be (if we go as scheduled). Truly you are a "true Scientist" (of the Bible) in your own right, for you have not only "discovered" (by the power of the Holy Spirit) but, "uncovered" as well, that which is "hidden" and "concealed" and then "was not." Thank God for someone like you who is willing to forego of the pleasures of this world to attend to the "HIGH CALLING" of God. May the mighty hand of the mighty God of Israel be upon you and your family. Whether RAPTURE takes place on the 31st of May 1998 or anytime before 2002, great shall be your reward in the Kingdom of God.

Could you please tell us the month and year that you put your Web page up. We're just wondering how long ago you have started the countdown. It would have been a lot more exciting had we found a lot earlier.

My reply

Gee! thanks, but the Lord really deserves the credit. I worked as hard as I could, but could have accomplished nothing without Him.

We signed up for the Internet Sept. 29, 1996, but I did not even know what HTML was. I had to go out on the net and find HTML guides, find and download an HTML editor and find a program to convert images to .jpeg or .gif, etc. It took awhile for me to learn enough to get my Web Page up. I probably got it up sometime in October.

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I have already added your site to my "favorites list", and will be going back often for a while to read some more.

Now I am beseeching you, in the name of our Common Hope, to give me a little of your time. I approve of what I have seen so far, and am almost ready to start recommending your site (something which I have only done twice in the past 8 years).

I was caught up in the fervor of 88. The mockery I had to endure after the fact has sobered me. My distribution of 30 copies of Whisenant's book, and my subsequent enthusiastic chatter about the possibility of Sept.12, 1988, has followed me to this day. I have a different calling, which is described below, and the stain of being labeled as a party to a failed prediction has compromised my public integrity with some who remember 88 up until now.

But I have not personally forsaken the possibility of an "almost predictable" Rapture, and I am grateful for your efforts in this matter. Yours is the most credible presentation on this subject I've seen since 88. I vote for you to be right.

My presentation of the pre-trib Rapture is found in ch. 4 of the below advertised book. I think you'll find that it contains some arguments not ordinarily offered. The rest of THE GREAT DREAM is a description of the most described sign of the end of this age in the NT: the great and final apostasy of Christendom. I hope we shall turn out be friends. This is a sincere appeal from someone who is impressed with your work, who is simply asking you to affirm or deny the premises of THE GREAT DREAM. It is (supposedly) about to go to print in England in about 2 months. Hope to hear from you soon

AN OPEN LETTER TO INTERESTED CHRISTIANS

Proverbs 18:13, He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

We often run across the names of people that we hopefully surmise will have an interest in what we believe to be the most timely and crucial message for Christians in this age. You are one of these people that we are hopefully writing to. As you must know, there is a general consensus among popular prophetic expositors that we are at the end of this age.

I would like to bring to your attention that almost all of the past respected commentators and scholars (see, for example, the older editions of the Scofield Bible, notes on Matthew, chapter 13) have agreed that the last days of Christendom are characterized by a Great and Final Apostasy.

My reply

I am at the limit of my time and strength, beyond the limit actually. The other day, my husband asked if I had found out that I can't do the work of four people. Exhausted and in tears, I answered, "Yes." Besides, I think we only have a few days left now, and therefore of necessity, I must assign priorities to what I try to accomplish now.

I can't get involved in defining the final apostacy that some think will come before the Rapture. Neither can I speculate on who the Antichrist will be. Let the Laodiceans figure that out after we are in Heaven. I am NOT looking for the Antichrist. I am looking for Christ himself. He will come FIRST. I am "waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ...in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ (i.e., the Rapture)" (I Cor. 1:7,8).

The "falling away first" of II Thess. 2:3, is misunderstood by many. The Greek "apostasia" means departing, and was so translated in several early Bibles, Tyndales, Beza's, The Great Bible, Coverdale's, etc. It means the Rapture comes first. Until that time the Holy Spirit is holding back the revealing of the man of sin.

We are the salt of the Earth and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and as long as we are here, the Holy Spirit and our salt retard the growth of the leaven, just as salt literally does in breadmaking. When there is too little salt, the leaven grows too much. When there is too much salt, the bread will not rise. The final apostacy is not here yet, though we can see its beginnings. After we are gone, it will mushroom. Under the leadership of the wicked one, it will come to a head and have to be destroyed.

As for Edgar Whisenant's book, I copyrighted by book in 1987 to prove that I knew nothing spectacular was going to happen in 1988. I wrote Hal Lindsey and told him that 1988 was too soon, that the fig tree did not grow leaves until the Six-Day War of 1967. I knew, when I read Whisenant's book, that his reasoning did not hold water. I had known the plan of major end-time events ever since 1968. I believe that the last generation began in 1967. 1967 + 40 = 2007. We are now in 1998. All the end-of-the-age events now have to be packed into the next 9 years. We are near the time of the Rapture no matter whether it comes this Pentecost or not. I just see more evidence for this Pentecost than at any other time. We will soon know for sure.

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I have heard Chuck Missler on his Ruth teaching tape and heard him mention the tradition of Enoch being taken on the 6th of Sivan. I noted that you quoted Chuck on your webpage and thought that you would find the following interesting.

As it turns out I have a book that I purchased quite a few years ago called 'The Lost Books of The Bible and The Forgotten Books of Eden' published by World Bible Publishers, Inc. copyright 1926 ISBN number 0-529-03385-2

Here is the preface to the Book of the Secrets of Enoch (Page 81)

"This new fragment of early literature came to light through certain manuscripts which were recently found in Russia and Servia and so far as is yet known has been preserved only in Slavonic. Little is known of its origin except that in its present form it was written somewhere about the beginning of the Christian era. Its final editor was a Greek and the place of its composition Egypt. Its value lies in the unquestioned influence which it has exerted on the writers of the New Testament. Some of the dark passages of the latter being all but inexplicable wihout its aid ...."

In chapter LXVIII of the Secrets of Enoch it reads as follows:

(1) Enoch was born on the sixth day of the month Tsivan, and lived three hundred and sixty-five years.

(2) He was taken up to heaven on the first day of the month Tsivan and remained in heaven sixty days.

(3) He wrote all these signs of all creation, which the Lord created, and wrote three hundred and sixty-six books, and handed them over to his sons and remained on earth thirty days, and was again taken up to heaven on the sixth day of the month Tsivan, on the very day and hour when he was born.

So we see another confirmation of the 6th of Sivan date.

My reply

I certainly appreciate this new information about Enoch. I will put it on Pro and Con for all to see.

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From Abraham Forum:
RUSSELL RANKIN wrote:

> Dave,
>
> YHVH buried Moshe "in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Baalpeor"
> [Deuteronomy 34:6]. Eliyah also died [Hebrews 11:32-35].

***From Marilyn: Heb. 11:32-35 says, "And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, AND OF THE PROPHETS: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection."

I don't understand. Are you assuming that "and of the prophets...that they might obtain a better resurrection" means that Elijah died? in the face of clear scripture where Elijah says, "if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and ELIJAH WENT UP BY A WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN. And Elisha saw it" (II Kings 2:10-12).

Enoch was also a prophet. Jude 14 says, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied." Heb. 11:5 says, "By faith Enoch was translated that HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH, and was not found, because God had translated him."

It is obvious to me that not ALL of the prophets died.

> Moshe and Eliyah
> are dead, buried, and returned to dust [Psa.146:4, Job.14:10-12; Eccl.3:19;
> 9:5,10]. They await the resurrection from among the dead [Job 14:12-15;
> Dan.12:2; Isa.26:19] when Michael "stands" for Daniel's people Ytsrael. The
> resurrection occurs when Michael's "voice" is heard and Yeshua "descends out
> of heaven" [1Thessalonians 4:16].

***Dan. 12:1,2 is referring to the time when the False Prophet will come to his end (Dan. 11:45), when "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time." That is the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5768, the time of the Rapture of the Tribulation Saints. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 refers to the first Rapture, before the Tribulation begins.

> Then Moshe and Eliyah will stand
> glorified with Yeshua at his bright coming [Matt.17].

***Mt. 17:1-3 took place while Yeshua was on Earth in 30 AD.
> The Rabbins must be mistaken and the two witnesses must mean something else.

***Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and DREADFUL day of the LORD." Tishri 1, 5768 is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Elijah must come at least 1260 days (Rev. 11:3) before the Translation of the Tribulation Saints on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

Tishri 1 starts at 6:00 PM. During that night or early morning Rapture II takes place. It has to take place between the breaking of the 6th seal in Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the 7th seal in Rev. 8. Rev. 6 ends with "For the great day of his wrath is come..." Then in chapter 7, we see the 144,000 Israelites and a great number out of all nations before the throne in Heaven.

This Rapture has to take place before noon that day, for at noon "a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8), a piece of an asteroid hits the Mediterranean Sea, and "there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10). This piece is the "stone like a great millstone" that destroys Babylon on the Euphrates River. (Rev. 18:21). Both impact Earth at noon.

Zeph. 2:4 says, "For Gaza shall be forsaken, and ASHKELON A DESOLATION: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day (I don't know why the above came out in caps; it just happens sometimes), and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast...land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant."

Amos 8:9 says, "in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon."

Psa. 91:6 mentions "the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday."

Jer. 15:8,9 mentions "a spoiler at noonday...terrors...her sun is gone down while it was yet day."

Job 20:23 says, "When he (the False Prophet) is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating."

Yeshua does not return for another seven months (Ezek. 39:12). The Israelites bury the dead to cleanse the land for his return on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year. Moses and Elijah may stand with him that day, but so will a lot of other saints. "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses" (Rev. 19:14).

Respectfully, Marilyn

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Re: Diving the Word correctly, Tree077 wrote:
>
> Well I don't know what to say except that you are totally unbiblical in many of
> your statements on your web site.. You are called to give an account for your
> faith as am I according to 1 Peter, and 1 Thess 5:21 tells us to TEST all
> things.. we are not to accept anyones doctrine blindly so I have some
> questions for you.
>
> 2 Cor 13:5 gives a test for a Christian.. to pass that test you must have the
> Holy Spirit living in you.. this being true.. then anyone who has the Spirit
> is saved and anyone who does not is not His, Romans 8:9.. where do you come
> up with your statement on your web site that "we don't know the exact amount
> of the Spirit you have to have to be raptured"????

***From Marilyn: Anyone who has the sealing has the earnest of the Spirit. II Cor. 1:21,22 says, "Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." At that time, each is "purged from his OLD sins" (II Peter 1:9). We are pure virgins. However, when we sin, we are quenching the Spirit. This sin gets us out of fellowship with our holy God, so the level of the Holy Spirit goes down somewhat. To get back in fellowship, we have to use I John 1:9, confess our sin so the Lord can forgive it and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Then, the Holy Spirit wells up in us as a fountain of living water. This is why we are told several times to be filled with the Spirit. It is because it is possible to not be full at all times. The wise virgins have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. The foolish virgins do not have enough oil. They will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture, but will have to be chastised by having to live here during 2300 days of the Tribulation (unless they are martyred or happen to die before the 2300th day.

> How is it that you know the time of Christs return when Jesus Himself said
> that no one knows the exact time except the Father?

***The word "knows" is present tense. It was true in the day in which it was stated. Knows ("oida") could be translated "recognizes." On that day no man recognized the day or hour. It did not say that no one would ever recognize it.

> and 1 Thess 5:1 says "but
> of times and the seasons brethern you have no need that I write unto you, for
> you know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night"

***The Day of the Lord is the Millennium. Jesus comes as a thief just before Armageddon (Rev. 16:15,16).

> (Ive yet to meet anyone who knew when they would get robed have you?)
>
> Why are you attempting to claim the day of the Lord when 2 Thess 2:2 warnes us
> to not be shaken in mind or even troubled by some who claim to know the day of
> the Lords return.. We are told in vs 3 to not be deceived.

***II Thess. 2:2 says, "That ye be NOT SOON shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (lit., day of the Lord) is AT HAND." It was a long way into the future in those days.

> Time is always the enemy of a false prophet.

***And the enemy of anyone who is not ready when the Rapture takes place. Some need a wake-up call.

> Under the New Covenenat are not all sins forgiven past present and future???

***Why do you think Jesus told Peter that if he did not wash Peter's feet, Peter had no part with him?

> When Jesus said "it is finished" what do you think He meant???

What he came to do so he could be our Saviour was completed. By paying the price of sin (death), he took sin out of the way in Salvation. Now, it is what think ye of Christ?

Thus, Salvation is free, but we can work for rewards. Paul was working to win the prize of the high calling of God (Phil. 3:14; I Cor. 9:24-27).

> If our sins past present and future are not forgiven at the moment we make
> Jesus Lord of our life, isn't it true that He would have to die again and
> again each time we sinned??

At the moment of salvation, every "old" sin is forgiven.

> Your answer will be found in Hebrews 9-10... Do you think that God
> withdrawls His Spirit (which has been given as a deposit for our salvation)
> each time we sin?

***He never takes away our sealing, but we can quench his Spirit somewhat. This is why I Thess. 5:19 warns, "Quench not the Spirit."

> > ...Would appreciate hearing your answers, Love in Christ

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> I wanted to provide another "twist" on the 10 Virgins parable. I guess I've
> always had a problem with the "enough oil" analysis, especially as it
> pertains to the Rapture. Anyway, I've taken the following from Billy
> Graham's "Decision" magazine, it's not my own interpretation.
>
> "The general pattern of first-century Jewish weddings is well-documented.
> In the afternoon, the bridegroom and several close friends went into the
> bride's home, where various ceremonies took place. Sometime after
> nightfall, the bridegroom and the bride...accompanied by a torchlight
> procession...returned to the groom's house, where the formal celebration
> might last several days.
>
> Were the virgins attendants of the bride, servants in the grooms household
> or friends and neighbors? We cannot know their identity for certain, but
> they were to provide light for the return procession (my comment: Aren't we
> to be "salt and LIGHT?"...shining the way for Christ's eventual return?)
>
> The description of the lamps is misleading if what we envision are small oil
> lamps used inthe home. "Torches" would more accurately describe the vessels
> since they were supported on poles and filled with rags that regularly
> needed to be drenched with oil. If a torch was to stay lit, it was
> necessary to have a supply of oil large enough to keep the rags burning as
> long as required.
>
> Five of the virgins (the "foolish ones"), apparently soaked their rags in
> oil before they left home; the other five (the "wise ones") soaked their
> rags and took an extra supply of oil...just in case.
>
> Jesus did not tell us why the bridegroom was delaye, and in fact, the reason
> for the delay is unimportant. Although such delays often occured, this one
> was apparently quite long. The natural result was that the young women
> became drowsy and fell asleep. Since both the wise and foolish virgins fell
> asleep, it would be wrong to place much emphasis on their sleepiness. At
> midnight, the young women were awakened by a shout announcing the immenent
> appearance of the bridegroom. It was time to light the way home for the new
> couple. Each virgin checked her torch, and five of them...to their
> dismay...discovered that their torches were going out. Suddenly these
> foolish virgins realized that they had a problem, for without lighted
> torches they could neither accompany the bridegroom nor enter the banquet.
> The five wise virgins had enough oul for their own torches, but none to
> spare. So the five follish virgins went off to do at the last minute what
> they had the opportunity to do earlier...buy oil.
>
> What is Jesus teaching in this parable? What is the point of comparison?
> The whole section, Matthew 24:42-25:13...has been introduced by noting the
> separation that will take place at Jesus' return. The idea of separationis
> prominent in several of Jesus' parables, notably the parable of the wheat
> and tares, the parable of the dragnet, and the parable of the sheep and
> goats.
>
> The point of Jesus' parable is that we need to be prepared...at any
> time...for His return. That point may be applied in 3 ways: 1.) First,
> this parable is a reminder to people who proclaim allegiance to Jesus
> Christ...we must be diligent in preparing for His return. 2.) Second, for
> the many people who are attracted to Christianity and who think they are
> part of the wedding party, the parable teaches us that we must be like wise
> virgins. We must be certain that we have made proper preparations in
> advance. 3.) People who are counting on making a decision for Jesus
> "later", the message is clear...Buy Your Oil Today for you do not know the
> day or hour of His return."
>
> I guess in reading through this article, it seems to me that the virgins are
> not all Christians....they represent the world....and that those that claim
> Jesus Christ as Savior are the wise virgins....those that don't are the
> foolish ones. Remember, the parable closes with "Truly I say to you, I do
> not know you, and the door was shut".
>
> There will be no hope for the foolish virgins....they will forever be shut
> out.

***From Marilyn: I think the wise virgins that go with the bridegroom are the Philadelphians who have the open door set before them. Jesus has no words to say against them. I think the foolish virgins are the lukewarm Laodiceans. They are saved because they have to be in the Body of Christ to be spewed out when the Philadelphians go through the open door. At that moment, in a parable given for those with ears to hear, Jesus can say that he does not know them for they are not intimate friends with him. They are more like neighbors who wave as they walk by but never stop to talk. We know what neighborhood they are from and could recognize them in the grocery store, but we do not really know them personally.

> So, anyway, those that post here and wonder "do I have enough oil?", are
> asking a question that doesn't need to be asked. If you confess your sins,
> claim Jesus Christ as your Savior, you will be Raptured...you already are a
> Wise Virgin....don't go wondering and worrying if you "have enough
> oil"....enough oil is already provided by your giving your life over to
> Christ.

***Then why does scripture say not to quench the Spirit and to be filled with the Spirit? The foolish virgins thought they had enough oil too until it was too late.

> Those that come out of the Tribulation (whether by a second Rapture or by
> death) will be those that accepted Jesus Christ during the Tribulation. No
> one who believes on His name before the Tribulation will be left behind.

***Many say that Jesus will not leave a finger behind, forgetting that the head of the Body of Christ is already in Heaven, and that there are two feet that do not have to be born at the same instant.

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I just wanted to write to encourage you to keep going because I truly believe we are about to meet Him face to face. I'm intrigued by the different views expressed by visitors to your website. But I wonder... why...would one really want to stay here if they could go and be with the Lord where He is? I think He is sending us many, many verfications and that we should be getting the word out...and getting ready to go. I am anxious to meet with you on the other side Marilyn. Keep pressing on toward the goal...the upward calling. He is very, very near indeed! Peace.

My reply

Thanks. God bless you richly.

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MUSLIM ARTIST EXHIBITS IN VATICAN, Tuesday, March 31, 1998 - BBC

The Vatican is hosting an exhibition of work by a Muslim artist for the first time. The exhibition, called "Where the Two Oceans Meet", is making religious history. It is the first time the Vatican has hosted an event of this kind. Opening the exhibition, the Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze said that through art religions and hearts could meet. The Vatican is hoping this exhibition can increase contacts between Muslims and Christians.

Pope John Paul II is determined to improve relations between the Christian and Muslim worlds and this exhibition is another step on that road. The Gregorian Institute invited him to show his work as a result of the Pope's call for encounters between different religions as part of the preparations for the new millennium.

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