These are the symbols of the planets used in the charts from YourSky that I have posted lately. I just found them, or I would have posted them earlier.
When I think of Earth's symbol, I think of Eze. 1:10. All four terrestrial planets are represented there by the same type of symbolism. Each sphere faces four directions, North, South, West and East. If we draw a circle to represent a sphere, then draw a line from North to South, and another line from West to East, we have drawn Earth's symbol, and Earth is one of the four cherubim that symbolize the terrestrial planets. All four planets face all four directions, and they travel around the Sun in concentric circles, or orbits, wheels within wheels.
Eze. 1:15 shows that Earth is one of the four. It says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively things), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his (Earth's) four faces" (i.e., Earth's sphere is facing 4 directions).
Eze. 1:10 says, "As for the likeness of their faces (i.e., the directions an orbiting sphere faces), they four (the terrestrial planets) had the face of a man (representing south), and the face of a lion, on the right side (representing east): and they four had the face of an ox on the left side (representing west); they four also had the face of an eagle" (representing north).
One thing leads to another. Maybe I should back up and give a little more background for verse 10. In Eze. 1:4,5,10, Ezekiel said of the heavens, "behold, a whirlwind (think of the whirling Asteroid Belt) came out of the north, a great cloud (i.e., of asteroids), and a fire infolding itself (the Sun in the center of the circling cloud of asteroids), and a brightness (nogahh, brilliant light, i.e., sunlight) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures (lively things, i.e., the four terrestrial planets orbiting in concentric rings, wheels within wheels, about the central Sun and closer to the Sun than the orbits of the Asteroid Belt). And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man (adam, red clay, i.e., they are terrestrial planets)....
Think of drawing the of the symbol of Earth. At the top, write Eagle, Dan. At the bottom, write Man, Reuben. On the left, write Ox, Ephraim. On the right side, put Lion, Judah. This represents the four flags that were placed at the cardinal points, North, south, east and west, when Israel camped around the Tabernacle in the wilderness.
Nu. 2:3 says, "on the EAST side toward the rising of the sun shall they of the standard of the camp of JUDAH pitch". Verse 10 says, "On the SOUTH side shall be the standard of the camp of REUBEN". Verse 18 says, "On the WEST side shall be the standard of the camp of EPHRAIM". Verse 25 says, "The standard of the camp of DAN shall be on the NORTH side."
The 12 signs of the Zodiac were assigned to the 12 tribes of Israel.
1. Virgo the Virgin - Zebulun
2. Libra the Balance - Levi
3. Scorpio the Scorpion - Banner eagle - Dan = NORTH
4. Sagittarius the Archer - Asher
5. Capricorn the Goat - Naphtali
6. Aquarius the Water Bearer - Banner man - Reuben = SOUTH
7. Pisces the Fishes - Simeon
8. Aries the Ram - Gad
9. Taurus the Bull - Banner ox - Joseph (his son Ephraim) = WEST
10. Gemini the Twins - Benjamin
11. Cancer the Crab - Issachar
12. Leo the Lion - Banner lion - Judah = EAST
If we draw a line from North to South, a line from West to East, and enclose it with a circle, we will have drawn the symbol of the Earth. The 12 tribes of Israel not only lived on Earth, they were promised the Earth.
i have read that Dan did not want a snake on his banner, so he used the eagle instead. It looks to me like he didn't want the scorpion on his banner, so used the eagle. In the Zodiac, the scorpion represent Satan. However, Gen 49:17 says, "Dan shall be a SERPENT by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward." Maybe Dan didn't want a snake or a scorpion on his banner.
The "rider" may represent the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10. Mid-Trib, Satan will be "cast out into the earth" (Rev. 12:9). Right away, he will come up and possess the False Prophet. Rev. 17:8 says, "The beast that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot, the 1st son of perdition), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib), and go into perdition (the 2nd son of perdition, the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Satan) that was, and is not, and yet is."
If Jesus' "I will give him the morning star" in Rev. 2:28, is merely symbolic of Christ himself, as in Rev. 22:16, I think Ascension Day would be a good time for the Pre-Trib Rapture. Ascension Day will be on Sunday, Iyar 25, 5764 (May 16, 2004). All the things in Song of Solomon 2:10-14 would fit Ascension Day. Agape
I don't understand all the sky charts, and don't know that I put much stock in that. An example in your most recent ProCon involved the symbolism of the Harp being held by one of the Gemini Twins. Attributing these things, while displaying an artist's rendition of what the constellation might appear to be when 'fleshed out', involves a serious stretch of the imagination. In my youth, I studied Astrology, and while I realize the difference between Astronomy and Astrology, people in both camps tend to 'read too much into' their observations. I think we need to be careful to avoid a certain over-zealousness in attributing things to God's Divine purpose. It smacks of Gnosticism, for which I have great disrespect, and from which I was delivered by His blood. My two cents worth.
In any event, the most precious thing to me in these last days are the sure word of prophecy, and the promise that we'll be kept by His great love. More than that, I simply look up, and am ready to fly at a moment's notice. (grin). Agape
> > An example in your most recent ProCon involved the symbolism of the Harp being held by one of the Gemini Twins. Attributing these things, while displaying an artist's rendition of what the constellation might appear to be when 'fleshed out', involves a serious stretch of the imagination.
In tackling this, we can't start at this end and work back very easily. We need to start back in Adam's day and work forward.
Job is thought to be the oldest book in the Bible. In Job 38:32, we can see that the Mazzaroth (Zodiac) was already known. It was before the Exodus, before Moses was given the commandments at Mt. Sinai, before he wrote Genesis by the inspiration of the Lord.
Granted, we must stay away from Astrology, Satan's perversion of the Zodiac, but let's look with honest eyes at God's astronomy. Not only did he make the constellations, he named the stars in them, and those star names explain what the constellation stands for. Psa 147:4 declares, "He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names." Why did God name the stars if it wasn't to help us understand his Gospel in the Stars.
In Job 38:31-33, the Lord asked Job, "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of PLEIADES, or loose the bands of ORION? Canst thou bring forth MAZZAROTH (the Zodiac) in his season? or canst thou guide ARCTURUS with his sons? Knowest thou THE ORDINANCES OF HEAVEN? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?" Job 9:9 says, "Which maketh ARCTURUS, ORION, and PLEIADES, and the chambers of the south."
God brought up the subject of the Mazzaroth, the Zodiac, showing that it was in existence before the Bible was written. It told the gospel story before Moses went to Mt. Sinai.
In Gen. 1:14, we find out that the lights in the heavens are to be for signs. "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years."
In the Zodiac, we find signs, and the Lord brought up the subject to Job. Amos 5:8 says, "Seek him that maketh the seven stars (the Pleiades) and ORION...The LORD is his name". Since the LORD made Orion, I think he made the other constellations according to his own plan.
Orion, the easiest of all the constellations to identify, depicts Christ as the conqueror over Satan. The hilt of Orion's sword has a lamb on it. Orion holds up the head and pelt of the roaring lion (Satan) as a trophy.
It is interesting to find out that Saturn, which I think is Heaven, was in Aries, the Ram, when the Lamb of God, the Christ child, was born. He is "the Lord from heaven" (1Co 15:47). Jupiter was in Gemini, hinting that this child would be the Bridegroom in Gemini. Venus was in Leo, showing that this child would be the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
As I understand it, the original Mazzaroth (Zodiac) was drawn by Adam and Seth under the Lord's guidance. Enoch was a prophet (Jude 1:14), and the three of them were contemporaries for 565 years. There was plenty of time to draw the Zodiac.
It is very old, and was known in every ancient nation. Before there were written Scriptures, the Zodiac was God's picture book to help man understand that God would send mankind a Redeemer. Josephus, a Pharisee priest, attributed the drawing to Adam, Seth and his children.
He said, "Adam...He had indeed many other children, but Seth in particular...Now this Seth, when he was brought up, and came to those years in which he could discern what was good, became a virtuous man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he leave children behind him who imitated his virtues. All these proved to be of good dispositions....They also were THE INVENTORS OF THAT PECULIAR SORT OF WISDOM WHICH IS CONCERNED WITH THE HEAVENLY BODIES, AND THEIR ORDER" (Ant. I. II. 3).
Josephus also said that the third part of the Tabernacle represented Heaven. "And when he ordered twelve loaves to be set on the table, he denoted the year, as distinguished into so many months. By branching out the candlestick into seventy parts, he secretly intimated the Decani, or seventy divisions of the planets; and as to the seven lamps upon the candlesticks, they referred to the course of the planets, of which that is the number....Each of the sardonyxes declares to us the sun and the moon; those, I mean, that were in the nature of buttons on the high priest's shoulders. And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months, or whether we understand the like number of the SIGNS OF THAT CIRCLE WHICH THE GREEKS CALL THE ZODIAC, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning" (Ant. III.VII. 7).
He told more about the candlestick in Ant. III. VI. 7. It "spread itself into AS MANY BRANCHES AS THERE ARE PLANETS, INCLUDING THE SUN among them. It terminated in seven heads, in one row, all standing parallel to one another; and these branches carried seven lamps, one by one, IN IMITATION OF THE NUMBER OF THE PLANETS." Thus the candlestick represented (1) the Sun, the western lamp that was to always be kept burning, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn. These are the naked-eye planets, and they were known in ancient times.
There is more to the Mazzaroth than we knew. Each drawing that has come down to us from antiquity has lots of meaning. God's names for the stars help us understand what the picture represents. The drawings differ little in old books, murals and from nation to nation. The Zodiac of Dendara in Egypt has different figures in some cases, but the meaning can be discerned. The Zodiac at the temple of Esneh in Egypt is important for it shows us where the circle starts and ends.
God's gospel in the stars begins with Virgo and ends with Leo. Jesus is the seed of the woman (Gen. 3:15) that ends up being the Lion of the tribe of Judah. This Gospel in the Stars is His story. It tells of his death, his resurrection and his overcoming Satan.
Page 139 in Bullinger's Witness of the Stars (published in 1893) has a picture of the sign Gemini. The Male figure is seated and holding a club. The female figure is sitting with him. In one hand she holds the lyre. In the other a bow and arrow. Neither are threatening with their weapons. They are at rest, as we will be after the Rapture, but they have weapons that can be used in the future.
This ties in with Psa. 149:1-9. It says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG (sung by the saints after the first Rapture, Rev. 5:9), and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and HARP. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds (they're resting). Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and A TWOEDGED SWORD IN THEIR HAND; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; TO EXECUTE UPON THEM THE JUDGMENT WRITTEN: THIS HONOUR HAVE ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD."
In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:16, Jesus "had in his right hand seven stars (the star performers of the churches that he had just caught up): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength." He is pictured as having a weapon at the Rapture. This is to cut off the foolish virgins (Luke 12:46; Mt. 24:51). The picture in Gemini fits in with Scripture.
It fits with Eph 2:6 too. It says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Jesus ascended when Saturn (Heaven) was in Gemini. I think we will ascend while Saturn is in Gemini. Then we will sit together in heavenly places--on Saturn in Gemini.
In Hebrew, GEMINI is THAUMIN, the UNITED. It has the idea of completion, as of a betrothal. It sure fits the Bride and Bridegroom at the time of the Rapture.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament (expanse of space) sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and NIGHT UNTO NIGHT SHEWETH KNOWLEDGE. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is AS (symbolic language) a BRIDEGROOM (Christ) COMING out of his chamber, and rejoiceth AS a strong man (OPHIUCHUS, running on the ecliptic) to RUN a race. His GOING FORTH is from the end of the heaven, and his CIRCUIT (along the ecliptic) unto the ends of it" (Psa. 19:1-6).
"By HIS SPIRIT he (the LORD) hath GARNISHED (made bright, i.e., with stars) THE HEAVENS; HIS HAND HATH FORMED THE CROOKED (bariyach, fugitive, as fleeing) SERPENT (Satan himself, and HYDRA to represent him in the heavens). Lo, these are parts (i.e., DECANS) of his (God's) ways." (Job. 26:13,14).
Each tribe of Israel had a sign of the Zodiac assigned to him. We can see that this was so in Eze. 1:10, where the 4 directions are represented by the faces of a man (Aquarius), a lion (Leo), an ox (Taurus) and an eagle (used by Dan because he didn't want a serpent on his standard; today this sign is Scorpio, and it represents Satan). These were the faces on the standards at the cardinal directions in the camps in the wilderness.
Tha main stars in Gemini are Castor (the ruler or judge) and Pollux (who comes to labor and suffer). Another star, Al Dira (the seed, or branch) fits Christ also. We have to keep in mind that God named the stars so that they would tell the Redeemer's story, and they do, over and over.
It seems significant that in Acts 28:11, Paul sailed on a ship, "which had WINTERED in the isle, WHOSE SIGN WAS CASTOR AND POLLUX" (i.e., GEMINI). This time, there was no shipwreck. They arrived at their destination.
If "had wintered" is a clue, and spring is the time of the Rapture, I think Ascension Day would be a likely time. All the clues in Song of Sol. 2:10-14 fit Ascension Day. That will be 25 Iyar, 5764 (May 16, 2004). Agape
Pope John Paul II is the very first Pope in history to actually fulfill this prophecy two fold. As you will soon see below, there are many 'names' to the office of Pope Each of these names do in fact have a numeric value simply because LATIN, the chosen language of Rome, is not only their ALPHABET, it is also their NUMERIC SYSTEM! To this day the Latin "Numeric System"is called, ROMAN NUMERALS. For example, in their alphabet, the letter "I" = 1, and the letter "C" = 100 in Latin. Take a look at the name "JOHN PAUL II" in Latin...
IOANES PAVLVS SECVNDO
(John Paul II)
Revelation 13:18: "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." -Revelation 13:17-18,
The above "666" in Revelation 13:18 IS NOT a reference to The Anti-Christ. Revelation 13:1-10 are references to The Anti-Christ J.F.K.
Revelation 13:11-18 are references to THE FALSE PROPHET (POPE). HE WILL BE THE ONE WHO FORCES THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD TO TAKE THE 666 MARK.
The pope IS THE ONE WHO'S NAME = 666 NOT THE ANTI-CHRIST.
Revelation chapter 13: 1-10 deal with Anti-Christ
Revelation chapter 13: 11-18 deal with the false prophet
THE HE WHO CAUSES ALL TO RECEIVE THE MARK IS THE FALSE PROPHET NOT THE ANTI-CHRIST. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A POLITICAL LEADER WHO'S NAME TOTALS 666 WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR A POPE WHO'S NAME TOTALS 666
The two men that come to full power during the Tribulation are "the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET" (Rev. 20:10).
I take it that the BEAST comes out of the Holy See, and that the FALSE PROPHET comes out of eretz Israel, the land of Israel. The BEAST has a "mouth as the mouth of a lion (symbol of Babylon, Dan. 7:4, where the Mystery Religion began). The FALSE PROPHET has a mouth that speaks "as a dragon." Therefore, it is the FALSE PROPHET that is Satan-possessed.
I John 2:22 says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." Does the Pope deny the Father and the Son? Not that I know of. Therefore, I think the FALSE PROPHET is the Antichrist. He is the one that is Satan-possessed.
I John 4:3 says, "And every spirit that CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist (i.e., Satan), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
II John 1:7 says, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who CONFESS NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
The FALSE PROPHET will probably be a Jew of the tribe of Dan. Gen. 49:17 says, "Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward." Many Jews "CONFESS NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH." It seems that they are blinded "until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (Luke 21:24).
Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (i.e., the Tribulation Pope, the Beast), he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (of the great red dragon, i.e., Satan is in him). The False Prophet is also the 7th head of the great red dragon. Satan himself is the tail and the "eighth" king (Rev. 17:11).
> > The above "666" in Revelation 13:18 IS NOT a reference to The Anti-Christ.
I think the 666 applies to the False Prophet, who is the final Antichrist. Like the Pope, he may call himself "Vicarius Filei Deus" (one serving as a substitute for the Son of God), which adds up to 666.
> > Revelation 13:1-10 are references to The Anti-Christ J.F.K.
I think these verses refer to the Tribulation Pope that will head up both the United Nations and the United Religions, which includes pagan religions. Rev. 13:7 says, "power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS." Verse 8 says, "ALL THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb". That includes all the pagan religions.
> > Revelation chapter 13: 1-10 deal with Anti-Christ
> > Revelation chapter 13: 11-18 deal with the false prophet
I think verses 1-10 deal with the BEAST, the Tribulation Pope that comes out of the Holy See. Below is the emblem of the Holy See. It is shown above a faint image of St. Peter's Cathedral. In front of the Cathedral is the obelisk and 8-rayed sun disk used in the pagan worship of the sun god.
Here is a picture of the Sun symbol on the sleeve of the Pope's robe. He has on the hat of Dagon the fish god, and carries the bent cross, a disrespectful distorted caricature.
Here is the monstrance, a sun symbol. Below it is a better picture of the court in front of St. Peter's Cathedral. You can see the obelisk and 8-rayed sun wheel in this one.
> > PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A POLITICAL LEADER WHO'S NAME TOTALS 666 WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR A POPE WHO'S NAME TOTALS 666
Thanks for sharing this with me. I wasn't aware that the present Pope's name equals 666, only that Vicarius Filei Deus did. Agape
Rom. 10:9-13 tells us, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. FOR WITH THE HEART MAN BELIEVETH UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS; AND WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION."
In John 6:39, Jesus said, "this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day.
WHAT TO DO TO BRING ALL OUR LATER SINS UNDER THE BLOOD OF CHRIST
All our previous sins are wiped off the books when we accept the Lord Jesus Christ as our own personal Saviour. We get a fresh start.
II Peter 1:4-11 tells us some things we should add to our faith to be sure we will be caught up to Heaven in the Rapture. It says, "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature (the Spirit of Christ, which is the Spirit of God, Rom. 8:9), having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity (agape love, God's kind of love). For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans, Rev. 3:16-18), and cannot see afar off (Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was (in the past, when he accepted Christ) purged from his OLD SINS. Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance (through Heaven's door at the Rapture, Rev. 4:1) shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
After accepting Christ, when we sin, we must confess that sin to God so he can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness."
Jesus told Peter that he must let Him wash his feet or he had no part with him. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be saved. It's just that there are two Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath. It could determine whether he would be part of the Bride of Christ that will be caught up at the first Rapture, or part of the Tribulation saints caught up just before God's Wrath falls on Earth.
John 13:3-10 says, "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit."
Sin creates a sin barrier between us and our holy God. The level of the Holy Spirit diminishes in us. That's why we are told to not quench the Holy Spirit. I Thess. 5:19 simply says, "Quench not the Spirit." When we confess known sins, God cleases us from unknown sins also. Then the Holy Spirit wells up in us like a fountain of living water. We are filled with the Holy Spirit.
#2, TWO RAPTURES, will follow. Agape
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