Pro and Con 1075

Posted 11-18-03


Six inches of hail fell on Watts on 11-12-03 (Cheshvan 17, 5764). Much of the ice was still there the next day. I have never heard of such a thing happening before.


Expected Solar Fireworks Could Disrupt Air Travel,2933,103177,00.html

11-15-03 But the sun certainly is demanding everyone's attention now, three weeks into perhaps the most dramatic and unexpected chain of eruptions ever observed venting from its seething, bubbling surface.

There have been as many as 11 salvos since Oct. 19. And the fireworks could reach a new crescendo by Thanksgiving, the nation's busiest holiday for air travel, just one of the things that can be disrupted.

"There's been nothing quite like this," said Bill Murtagh, a space weather forecaster for the National Oceanic and Space Administration (search) in Boulder, Colo. "Another big blow is not what anyone needs."

NASA scientists compare it to a blizzard in July -- in California....

"This period will go into the history books as one of the most dramatic," said Paal Brekke, deputy project scientist for SOHO, a joint U.S.-European observatory between Earth and the sun.

Discovery of Jesus-era shroud to be aired at UNC-Charlotte

By EMERY P. DALESIO, AP Writer, 11-16-03

A discovery that started when North Carolina college students happened on a violated tomb below Jerusalem's Mount Zion has shed light on the burial of a possible contemporary of Jesus, an archaeologist said Sunday.

The group of student volunteers led by professor James Tabor from the University of North Carolina at Charlotte three years ago discovered a recently robbed tomb that yielded the shroud-wrapped skeletal remains of an affluent member of the old city.

"It was only just by chance that this discovery was made," said Shimon Gibson, a senior fellow at the Albright Institute of Archaeological Research in Jerusalem.

Gibson plans to discuss the results of DNA analysis, carbon dating and forensic puzzling in a lecture Monday at UNC-Charlotte. He will discuss the findings again Wednesday at the American Schools of Oriental Research conference in Atlanta.

In the spring of 2000, after a morning of excavating and cataloging the day's finds from another dig, Gibson, Tabor and a handful of UNC-Charlotte students went on a hike through Jerusalem's Hinom Valley, a Jewish burial ground for almost 3,000 years.

One of the students spotted a tomb that had been opened up with artifacts scattered outside, Gibson said. The find was lucky because contact with oxygen and humidity would have disintegrated the cloth wrapping around the body, or shroud, within a few months, Gibson said....

With the approval of the Israel Antiquities Authority and support from the Foundation for Biblical Archaeology, a Goldsboro nonprofit that supports scientific research of biblical places and cultures, small samples of the shroud were sent to the University of Arizona for carbon dating. The Arizona lab determined the Jerusalem shroud was from the middle of the first century A.D., Gibson said.

That meant the corpse was of someone who was probably living in Jerusalem at the same time as Jesus, Gibson said....

MJA note: Dr. James Tabor is translating the Bible for the Original Bible Project.

Post by CAPS on Five Doves site, Re: crucifixion date

CAPS (14 Nov 2003)
"Dates of Lunar Eclipses on Passover Years 26-33 AD"

There was only one lunar eclipse visible from Jerusalem, Israel at the time of Passover during the years of 26 to 36 AD. The date of this lunar eclipse was Friday April 3, 33 AD. All astronomers of note agree with this, regardless of some who have done shoddy research on this most important question.

As I have stated before, this is a very particular identifying event in view of Peter's reference to Joel's prophecy about the Sun being turned to Darkness and the Moon to Blood before (during?) the Day of the Lord.

We all know that the Day of the Lord is the time of God's wrath. We also know that Jesus is the One who delivered us from the wrath to come. He did this by suffering the wrath of God Himself.

How amazing that Peter, inspired by the Holy Spirit, referred to Joel's prophecy just 52 days after the Amazing astronomical events had taken place.

No doubt the hearers of Peter's words would recall the earth shaking events, earthquake and the Sun going dark and the Moon turning to Blood. No wonder that the Roman soldier at the cross said after seeing these things, "Truly this was the Son of God!!"

Some of the Old Testament prophets even mention that on the Day of the Lord the "earth is moved out of it's place."

This could possibly refer to the turning of the earth on its axis. Most research I have seen shows the Lunar eclipse visible in the late afternoon around sunset. However, if the "earth was moved out of its place", i.e. turned on its axis, then the lunar eclipse may very well have been visible for a much longer period of time!!

Also, the total miraculous darkening of the Sun may have caused the lunar eclipse to be visible for a longer period of time. The background of total darkness and the earth shifting on its axis would provide the setting for the Blood Red Moon to be in a totally Black sky!!

God has hidden these things from the erudite and has revealed them to babes, for it is pleasing in His sight to do so. The 'wise' are taken by their own craftiness.

Here is a moon calendar link that you can click on. Scroll down and put in the date 0033 AD and click on April of that year. Notice that the date in question is a FULL MOON, Friday, April 3, 33 AD. That confirms that was Nisan 14 which is always on a full moon. In order for there to be a Lunar Eclipse the moon has to be Full !!.

My reply

According to Mal. 4:5, Elijah has to come before the Day of the Lord can come, so it is still future. Peter meant that what happened to them was like what Joel prophesied for the "last days."

> > Most research I have seen shows the Lunar eclipse visible in the late afternoon around sunset.

If it was visible at sunset, it would not be visible between noon and 3 PM. But first, let's see if that time is correct.

You are right about there being a Lunar Eclipse on Friday, April 3, 33 AD. Here is some reliable information on Lunar Eclipses.
"Eclipse Predictions by Fred Espenak, NASA/GSFC"

Catalog of Lunar Eclipses: 0001 to 0100
Local Circumstances at Greatest Eclipse:

Date and hour UT
0030 May 06 - 03:32
0030 Jun 04 - 10:17
0030 Nov 28 - 20:34
0031 Apr 25 - 20:25
0031 Oct 19 - 03:26
0032 Apr 14 - 09:19
0032 Oct 07 - 13:01
0033 Apr 03 - 15:01
0033 Sep 27 04:02
The greatest eclipse on Apr. 3, 33 AD, was at 15:01 UT. This doesn't tell us whether it could be seen from Israel or not.

To be relevant, it would have to darken the sky over Jerusalem from noon to 3 PM. Mt. 27:45 says, "from the sixth hour (of the day, noon) there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour" (3 PM).

A Lunar Eclipse is when the Moon moves into the Earth's shadow. For that to happen, the Sun has to be on the opposite side of the Earth from the Moon. Therefore, the Lunar Eclipse is seen from the dark side of the Earth, where it is night. At least part of the Earth must come between the Sun and the Moon for there to be a Lunar Eclipse. If the Moon gets between us and the Sun, that is a Solar Eclipse, not a Lunar Eclipse.

If I am standing in Jerusalem at noon, the Sun is overhead, and the Earth's shadow is pointing away from the Sun. It projects from the opposite side of the Earth far far down under my feet. If there was a Lunar Eclipse at this time, I wouldn't be able to see it. The whole diameter of the globe would be in my way.

Therefore, no Lunar Eclipse could have caused the darkness from noon to 3 PM on Crucifixion Day. That darkness was supernatural. God did it.

I think the Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13, the "preparation of the passover." John 19:14 says, "it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him." Mark 15:25 uses Jewish time. It says, "it was the third hour (of the day, 9 PM), and they crucified him."

The preparation day preceded the passover. That is when the food was prepared for the passover. It could not be prepared on the 14th, a sabbath of rest.

Lev. 23:5 says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover." The 14th began at 6 PM as the 13th ended. It is as in Gen. 1:5, "the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Speaking of the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, Lev. 23:32 says, "It shall be unto you a sabbath (all 7 feasts are sabbaths) of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even (6 PM on the 9th), from even (6 PM on the 9th) unto even (6 PM on the 10th), shall ye celebrate your sabbath" (the Day of Atonement).

That's 24 hours. The 10th has 12 hours of night that come first, then 12 hours of day.

Mt. 12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Here Jesus began with the final hours of Thursday, from his death, at 3 PM, to 6 PM. The Jews call part of a day one day.

The 3 days and 3 nights were Thursday (3 hours of day), Friday (12 hours of night, then 12 hours of day), Saturday (12 hours of night, then 12 hours of day), and Sunday (12 hours of night).

Luke 24:21 says, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day (Sunday) is the third day SINCE these things were done." These 3 days AFTER the Crucifixion were (1) Friday, (2) Saturday, and (3) Sunday, which was the 3rd day "since" the Crucifixion. Thursday, Nisan 13 + 3 = Sunday, Nisan 16.

Not everyone believes that Christ was crucified on either Wednesday or Friday. Seyffarth, Thurman, Aldrich and Westcott picked a Thursday date. Africanus, Bengel, Gresswell and Rusk thought it was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, and I agree with them.

According to Jewish Calendar laws, Passover could only fall on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. This eliminates a Wednesday crucifixion.

Here is the chart from "YourSky" showing the Full Moon at 17:00 UT, Jerusalem, on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD. Saturn was in Gemini, depicting the Bride and Bridegroom, very fitting since Christ is the Bridegroom. I also expect the Rapture of the Bride of Christ while Saturn is in Gemini, as it is now.

I hope this information will be helpful to you in your search for the correct Crucifixion day and date. Agape

Date of crucifixion - a challenge for you

You may have seen this; I found it via 5Doves. In any event, it does pose a challenging view of the crucifixion year, and you're the only one I know qualified to comment on it.

Briefly, it postulates 33AD based upon the fulfillment of Joel 2. 31, that convergent eclipses of the sun and moon occurred due to a hypothetical global catastrophe resulting in the earth being shifted from its axis and subsequently returned within a three hour period. This resulted in a "loose" shortened day which, as far as I can tell, is calendarically unaccounted for.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

The entire scenario hinges on "BEFORE"!

The mathematics of the theory are given here:

The math doesn't seem to be terribly difficult (although more work than I'm prepared to undertake). Fortunately, however, the text is sufficient to enable a clear visualization of the process.

Parenthetically, this analysis is yet another ripoff of Velikovski, once again without credit being given. Velikovski, unfortunately, didn't deal with the NT; if he had, he probably would have come to a similar solution in 1946.

This is another fascinating piece from the same site:
May our Lord richly bless you. Agape

My reply

> > Briefly, it postulates 33AD based upon the fulfillment of Joel 2. 31, that convergent eclipses of the sun and moon occurred due to a hypothetical global catastrophe resulting in the earth being shifted from its axis and subsequently returned within a three hour period.

I don't see any scripture that would suggest that such a thing happened at the Crucifixion, and I don't think it did. The time when the Earth will be turned upside down will be the Day of God's Wrath. That is still future.

> > Joel 2:31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. > > The entire scenario hinges on "BEFORE"!

I agree. The first day of Christ's millennial reign is the "coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." It didn't start at the Crucifixion, and it hasn't started yet today. It will arrive on the Day of God's Wrath that shortens the Great Tribulation. Like Solomon, the son of David, Jesus Christ, also the Son of David, will purge his kingdom right at the beginning of his reign.

Elijah will return and, with Moses, prophesy during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3). Neither Moses nor Elijah have returned yet. I assume that they will return with Christ at the Pre-Trib Rapture. Mal. 5:4 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." Therefore, the coming of the millennial Day of the LORD has nothing to do with the darkness on the day of the Crucifixion.

I read the article "First Church of Rome".

The article said, "On the date AD 33 rather than AD 30 and for other details about the events at the Crucifixion, see Appendix 1." I went to this appendix and found this interesting information.



"Thallus was a historian who wrote some time between AD 33 (as can be deduced from his mention of the catastrophe at the crucifixion, for the dating of which, see below) and AD 180 (when he is cited by Theophilus of Antioch). Phlegon's floruit {time of flourishing} was c. AD 140. From the Chronography of Julius Africanus (fl. first half of the third century AD), apud George Syncellus (p. 609, 21 Bonn.) = Müller section 8 [fr. Greek]: "ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES CONNECTED WITH OUR SAVIOR’S PASSION AND HIS LIFE-GIVING RESURRECTION. As to His works severally, and His cures effected upon body and soul, and the mysteries of His doctrine, and the resurrection from the dead, these have been most authoritatively set forth by His disciples and apostles before us. ON THE WHOLE WORLD THERE PRESSED A MOST FEARFUL DARKNESS; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For THE HEBREWS CELEBRATE THE PASSOVER ON THE 14TH DAY ACCORDING TO THE MOON, AND THE PASSION OF OUR SAVIOR FALLS ON THE DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?..." (emphasis mine)

To me, the words in blue capital letters state the truth. I think that in 30 AD, the Jews celebrated Passover on Friday, Nisan 14 (April 7), as the Lord specified in Lev. 23:5. I agree that the Crucifixion fell on the day BEFORE the Passover, on Thursday, April 6. That was "the preparation of the passover", as John 19:14-16 says. I am convinced that the day of the Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13, when the food would have been prepared for the Passover on Friday, Nisan 14. This is not just the preparation of the Saturday Sabbath, but "the preparation of the passover."

The last part, about a Lunar Eclipse only taking place when the Moon is on the opposite side of the Earth, is true too. It happens when the Full Moon glides into the shadow of the Earth. For Earth to cast a shadow on the Full Moon, the Sun has to be on the opposite side of the Earth from the Moon. A Lunar Eclipse can only be seen from the dark side of the Earth, at night, not at noon, when they are facing the Sun. Only at night would they face the Full Moon.

Since a Lunar Eclipse is impossible to see at noon, and a Solar Eclipse is impossible at the time of the Full Moon, the darkness at the time of the Crucifixion was supernatural. God demonstrated that he could create darkness at the time of the Exodus. God bless. Agape

Note: The quote says, "ON THE WHOLE WORLD THERE PRESSED A MOST FEARFUL DARKNESS." It would be impossible for a Solar Eclipse to darken the whole world. The darkness is only seen in a narrow band as the eclipse races across the Earth.

Incoming email, Re: Ascension Day

Ascension Day cannot be Sunday May 16th 04 if Pentecost is 10 days later on a Sunday?

We continue to watch with you and pray for you and Ed and family.

My reply

Sorry, I didn't make it clear. When I subtracted the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 from Tishri 1, 5771 (9-9-2010), I got Sunday, Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004).

Pentecost is 3 days later, Wed., Sivan 6 (May 26, 2004). Subtract 10 days and we get Sunday, 25 Iyar (May 16) for Ascension Day. Thanks for everything. God Bless. Agape



...Finally, remember Albert Pike's bold assertion in Morals & Dogma, that "Masonry is identical to the ancient Mysteries", which means that all their teachings in all their books are precisely the same as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries! [p. 624, teachings of the 28th Degree]...

Now, for the first time ever, we shall conclusively prove that Freemasonry is actually a worship of Lucifer, the Light-Bearer; of course, since Lucifer and Satan are Biblically the same person, Freemasonry is really the worship of Satan. We shall prove this by quoting their own sources, and depicting their own symbols. In symbols, Freemasonry reveals more about itself than it ever does in its writings; yet, we shall start with their writings, for there you shall find the "smoking gun" proof that Masons worship Lord Satan....

Now, let us inform you, with their own words, that Freemasons really worship Satan, at the higher levels.


"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff...

What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to "seek the Light"! The average Mason is continually saying that he is "seeking the Light", and will spend his entire life "moving toward the Light". Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this "Light" is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry.

Incoming email

My reply

Thanks. I think every one will want to read "The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem," by Jerry Golden, about the very symbolic Israeli Supreme Court building the Rothschilds built in Jerusalem.

I also heard about it from: ZionsCRY PROPHECY NEWS. Here's Carolu Joy's report.
Jerry Golden Report

Jerry Golden's informative but chilling report. It deals with Temple Mount, the Illuminati, anti-Christ, Freemasons, and the New World Order and has PICTURES! BOOKMARK this page, you cannot comprehend it in one reading! GO to this link and read it.

My comments

The Star of David, a hexagram, is on the flag of Israel today. It was adopted 11-12-1948 (25 Tishri, 5709).

This shows that the same type of diagram is used as a symbol of the Masons. Will these converge during the Great Tribulation?

Just as Satan has counterfeited the true in his Mystery religions, he has also used his own version of the Star of David. The way to easily see the 666 message in the six-sided-star Masonic symbol is 6 points, 6 small triangles, and 6 sides to the hexagon in the center. It sounds like this could be the symbol of the coming False Prophet. If so, I wonder if it could turn out to be the Mark of the Beast. I expect the False Prophet to be an Israeli. In Rev. 13:11, he comes "up out of the earth." I believe that will be eretz Israel, the land of Israel.

Rev. 13:11,18 says, "I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb (i.e., Satan's 2 comings to power like Jesus' 2 comings), and he spake as a dragon (i.e., he is Satan-possessed)...Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Mayer Amschd Bauer changed his name to Rothschild (meaning red shield) to depict the red 6-point star that was on his door in Germany. His descendants are today's Rothschilds. The 6-point star appears in their Court of Arms. They built the Supreme Court Building in Jerusalem that Jerry Golden tells us about. It is full of symbols. There is a pyramid, even a cross with the top down in a pit. It is made to be walked on. It's very uncomplimentary to Jesus Christ.

It made me remember the statement I saw on The Cutting Edge. It said, "Jesus Christ, the God of the Universe which Masons contemptuously call an 'inferior god'." Ouch! There will be a rude awakening when they find out that he is the LORD of all.

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