Pro and Con 1082

Posted 12-20-03

New find, old tomb, and peeks at early Christians

By Ben Lynfield | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1218/p14s01-wome.html 12-18-03...A recently unveiled inscription, believed to date circa AD 350, identifies the monument as the tomb of Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist. ... ...According to the Jerome who translated the New Testament from Greek into Latin, James, Zacharias, and Simeon were buried together, but there has been no discovery of James's name so far, Zias says.... Scholars differ over how significant the findings at "Absalom's Tomb" are. Professor Foerster says, "It fills a gap and gives us one more detail of what we know about that historical site. The fact that the name Zacharias is mentioned there shows us that Christians in the 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th century believed he was buried there. If you have a literary source, it's just a literary source. If you have an inscription this is real evidence." Foerster discounts that Zacharias was buried at the site, saying that during the 1st century those monuments belonged to the Jewish priestly families of Jerusalem, and Zacharias did not belong to such a family....

My reply

> > Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist > > Foerster...those monuments belonged to the Jewish priestly families of Jerusalem, and Zacharias did not belong to such a family Foerster is wrong. This Zacharias was a priest. Luke 1:5 says, "a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia." Maybe Foerster hasn't read the New Testament.

IRAQ OFFICIAL PUSHES FOR UN RETURN TO BAGHDAD

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4004253
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4004253&pageNumber=1

12-16-03...foreign minister accused the United Nations on Tuesday of failing his country by leaving Saddam Hussein in power for decades and APPEALED TO THE WORLD BODY TO ASSUME A LEADING ROLE IN BAGHDAD IMMEDIATELY....

"Your help and expertise cannot be effectively delivered from Cyprus or Amman,"...

"THE UNITED NATIONS HAS TO BE THERE, INSIDE THE COUNTRY," Zebari then told reporters....

"The United Nations must not fail the Iraqi people again," Zebari said....

In urging the United Nations to return to Iraq, Zebari said the world body was "the key forum of collective international action to help us achieve our goals of restructuring and democratizing our country." (emphasis mine)

My comments

From Rev. 18, we know that Babylon will be chosen for the headdquarters. Right now, the US has headquarters there in Saddam's palace.

From Zech. 5:5-11, we also know that Vatican City "shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel in the land of Shinar, which is Babylon (Gen. 11:2; Dan. 1:1,2)....

Upon the Rapture

From ZionsCRY PROPHETIC NEWS, by Carolu Joy

From a reader - I was wondering what peoples belief other than mine on the rapture is. I know Jesus said immediately after the tribulation of those days, He will come. It also gives specifics about what is to come BEFORE He comes. In Matthew chapter 24 I have highlighted the part where Jesus says He will come AFTER the tribulation. Since only God knows when He will send Jesus for us, why do others wait upon the rapture and not keep their eyes on Jesus and keep spreading the gosple of peace. We must keep our mind stayed upon the Lord and His ways. I want all people to know they should listen to the words of Jesus and he said we are going to be in the tribulation and they must keep their eyes and mind upon Jesus and not the rapture. We must continue to work for our Lord joyfully and willingly and bring the gosple of peace and love to the lost and hopeless and keep his work going, we should never worry about the rapture so much as this will dim our inward lamps.

Matthew 24

4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

ISRAEL is the FIG TREE

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

WE ARE TO BE WORKING in HIS FIELD!!!

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I was wondering what others believe. I say no one knows except the Father as this is what Jesus said. I also do not wait upon the rapture as many others do I keep my eyes to the Lord Jesus as this is how we keep our lamps lit is by keeping our eyes and mind stayed upon Jesus and spreading his love and gosple of peace through out the world. Peace be with you, from MM, 4himonly@praize.com

My reply

Hi MM:
You asked what others believe. Here is what I believe. In Luke 19:13, Jesus said, "he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come." We are to live normal lives, and watch as current events fulfill prophecy.

In Mark 13:33-37, Jesus said, "Take ye heed, WATCH and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to WATCH . WATCH ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I SAY UNTO ALL, WATCH."

In Rev. 3:3, Jesus said, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent (i.e., confess your sins, I John 1:9). IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."

In Luke 21:36, Jesus said, "WATCH ye therefore, AND PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, and to stand before the Son of man." If we are accounted worthy, we will stand before him in Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The Bride of Christ will be "out of (ek) every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev. 5:9). This group will see Christ given the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth BEFORE the first seal is broken in Rev. 6.

At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, the foolish lukewarm believers will be cut off. In Luke 12:46, Jesus said, "The lord of that servant (the unwise believer) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

All the remaining people of the world will be tried before the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek, out of, as in Rev. 5:9 above) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Crucifixion PS

How many hours are there in three days and three nights?
Thank you

My reply

There are 72 hours, but the Bible didn't say that Jesus was in the grave 72 hours. In Mt. 12:27, Jesus said, "as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." As the Jews count time, that was Thursday (day 1), Friday (night 1 and day 2) Saturday (night 2 and day 3) and Sunday (night 3).

We figure the same way. If I mowed the lawn on Thursday, by Sunday, I would think that I mowed it 3 days ago (Saturday, Friday and Thursday). If I wanted the lawn watered every 3rd day before mowing again a week later, after mowing Thursday, I would think, as I set the sprinklers to On for Thursday, Friday, Saturday, On for Sunday, and Monday, Tuesday, On for Wednesday.

Just so we would understand the three days and three nights correctly, we find other scriptures to put with it.

We find that Sunday is the outside limit for the three days. Mark 16:19 says, "Jesus was risen early the first day of the week." That's Sunday.

Luke 24:21 says, "we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done." The 3rd day SINCE Thursday was Sunday (Friday, Saturday and Sunday).

If Sunday is the 3rd day, Saturday is the 2nd day, and Friday is the 1st day since the Crucifixion on Thursday.

John 20:1 says, "The first day of the week (Sunday) cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."

John 20:19 says, "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week (Sunday), when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you." Jesus was alive on Sunday.

John 2:19 says, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Destroyed on Thursday, the 3 days were Friday, Saturday and Sunday. We know for sure that it was raised up Sunday.

I Cor. 15:20 says, "now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept." Jesus, the Firstfruit, was resurrected on Sunday, Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits.

Since Firstfruit Sunday was Nisan 16, Saturday was Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and Friday was Nisan 14, Passover. Jesus was crucified on "the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14). Preparation Day was Thursday (Nisan 13). There can't be an extra day between Nisan 14 and 15, or an extra day between Nisan 15 and 16. Calendar dates are consecutive, following one after the other without gaps. I hope this is helpful. Agape

His reply

Re: Crucifixion PS
It seems that you took on a little anger on this one I felt it lashing out at me when it came back.

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT THE GOD IN JESUS WAS LIGHT. What I said was Jesus was the WORD OF GOD THAT CAME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE FATHER. Jesus created all things He was the word that THE FATHER SPOKE from his mouth. The Father and the Word are one, Jesus was GOD: I do not know any other way to say it that you may understand. GOD will have to give you understanding on this one, I can't. I pray that GOD will shed light upon you for this.

John 8 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

This is only two scriptures where Jesus said HE was the light of the world, There are a lot of others showing us that HE is the light of the world.

When GOD said let their be light, The light of the world was created, and God divided the light from the darkness. The darkness was already upon the face of the deep. Satan had already been kicked out of heaven, Satan was the darkness. CHRIST WAS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. Thank you so much.

My reply

I wasn't angry. All I want is to understand as much of the Bible as possible myself, and to do my best to help others understand the Bible and who Jesus Christ really is. He is so much more than many people realize. He is the light of the world, and a whole lot more. II Cor. 5:19 puts it plainly when it says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

The Son of God was LORD of the Old Testament and is Lord of the New Testament. He was YHVH King of Israel, and YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer in the Old Testament (Isa. 44:6). He is the one that deals directly with mankind. He was the Angel of the Lord that visited Abraham the day Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. He is the angel of the Lord that wrestled with Jacob. He was the God that spoke to Moses at Mt. Sinai and gave him the Ten Commandments.

Isa. 48:16-18 says, "Come ye near unto ME (the pre-incarnate Christ, the Son of God), hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning (he taught Adam); from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (1), and his Spirit (2), hath sent ME (3, the Son of God). Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), thy Redeemer (the Son of God), the Holy One of Israel; I (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, the Son of God) am the LORD thy God WHICH TEACHETH THEE to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea."

John 1:18 says, "No man hath seen God (the Father) at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."

In John 8:23,24, Jesus said, "Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins." Verse 28 says, "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I AM HE, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things."

John 16:28 says, "I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

I Cor. 15:47 says, "The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy; the second man (Jesus) is the LORD FROM HEAVEN."

Heb. 1:1-3 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (en, IN) HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his (God's) glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his REDEEMER the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning (YHVH King of Israel) AND the ending (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer), saith the Lord (Jesus Christ), which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), THE ALMIGHTY."

Rev. 22:13,16 says, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first AND the last....I am the root (YHVH of hosts) AND the offspring (Jesus) of David."

Isa. 45:23 says, "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Rom. 14:11 says, "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

In Hosea 5:15, our Redeemer said, "I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early." Agape

His reply

Re: Crucifixion PS
Bible didn't say that Jesus was in the grave 72 hours and it does not say that HE was in the grave for any less hours either. But it does say that

Matthew 12:40 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So rather than make Jesus out a liar and say He done something different than what He said, I have to use exactly what He said which is three days and three nights. I am not going to say that He did not mean what He said. I believe that the God of our salvation is more precise than that. I believe that every word He spoke was true. I believe He was perfect in every way down to the very words HE spoke Seems that you are hung up on one word call DAY:

18Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign showest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body.

Are we to assume here that their were no nights involved in this three days it took raise the temple? I thank not: No matter if he did speak only of days.

My reply

Jesus died about 3 PM. If that was Wednesday, as you think, the 1st 24-hour day would end at 3 PM Thursday. That 1st day would be made up of 3 hours of day (3-6 PM), 12 hours of night (6 PM to 6 AM), then 9 hours of day (6 AM to 3 PM).

The 2nd 24-hour day would end at 3 PM Friday. The 3rd 24-hour day would end at 3 PM Saturday.

In John 2:19, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." If those three days were 72 hours, Jesus would have arisen from the dead at 3 PM Saturday. Why don't we have a Scripture telling us that he was resurrected at 3 PM Saturday?

Luke 24:1 says, "Now upon the first day of the week" (Sunday). Verse 13 says, "behold, two of them went THAT SAME DAY (Sunday) to a village called Emmaus." Verse 21 says, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, TO DAY (Sunday) IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things were done."

If the Crucifixion was on Wednesday,
The 1st day since would be Thursday.
The 2nd day since would be Friday.
The 3rd day since would be Saturday.
Yet Luke 24:21 shows that the 3rd day since was actually Sunday.

If the Crucifixion was on Thursday,
The 1st day since would be Friday.
The 2nd day since would be Saturday.
The 3rd day since would be SUNDAY, agreeing with Luke 24:21.

If the Crucifixion was on Friday,
The 1st day since would be Saturday.
The 2nd day since would be Sunday.
The 3rd day since would be Monday.
That doesn't agree with Luke 24:21.

Thursday is the only day that fits all pertinent scriptures. The Crucifixion was on "the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14). That is the day before Passover, Nisan 13, Thursday in 30 AD.

Seyffarth, Thurman, Aldrich and Westcott picked a Thursday date. Africanus, Bengel, Gresswell and Rusk thought it was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD. I agree with them. Agape

Incoming email

Merry Christmas? Here are just a few verses from the Koran to let you know how "Allah" feels about Christmas and Christians....

Allah hates Christmas and wants all Christians dead, according to the Koran 10:68-70, "They say God [Allah] hath begotten a Son! There is no warrant for this. Those who say this will taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies."

Koran 16:27 also states that if you believe God [Allah] has a son you will roast in eternal hell.

16:86 People will realize too late that they worshipped the Son of God, who does not exist!

16:100 Satan only has power over those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

18:4 "Warn those who believe that God has a Son. This is a lie!"

18:42 Ruin comes to a man who believes Allah has taken unto Himself a Son.

18:110 If any expect to see God, admit that He has no Son!

19:35 "It is not befitting to the majesty of God to beget a Son. For Allah has only to say, "Be!" and a thing IS.

19:88 If any group of people believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, this would displease Allah so much that He would tear the heavens, split the earth, and cause mountains to fall into the sea.!

21:43 "Neither the Christian God, nor the Jewish God can defend their worshipers against Me (Allah)."

21:98 To worship any God but Allah, you will be the firewood of hell.

22:6 Allah is the Truth, not Christ!

22:19 Unbelievers will have garments of fire and boiling water poured on their heads.

22:21 And whipped with iron whips.

22:22 They will not be able to escape the chastisement of this burning.

22:62 It is falsehood to believe that God has a Son!

22:91 Allah is the only God, and God has no Son!

25:3 God has no Son. This was an invention and creation of their deluded minds!

26:213 Do not pray to another god than Allah, lest you be one of the doomed.

28:68 Allah is far above the Jesus Christ that the Christians believe in.

28:74 Jesus Christ is no God!

28:85 There is no God but Allah.

29:8 Worship Allah, not Christ!

30:33 A stupid humanity gives credit to other gods than Allah! They have no sense!

37:152 It is a lie that God has an only begotten Son. Allah does not beget sons! [So you can never pray to Him as "Our Father, which art in heaven...]

38:5 The Trinity is a strange god.

39:65 Losers [the lost] believe Christ is the Son of God.

40:12 If you believe that Christ is the Son of God, Hell awaits.

40:71 When chains are about their necks dragging them through boiling water and they are thrust into Hell, they will call on God's Son to no avail.

40:84, 85 When unbelievers see the doom prepared for them by Allah, they will reject belief in Christ as Son of God--which caused their ruin
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Repetitious, right? Good brainwashing technique....

PS Let's see what the "Jewish" Bible [the Old Testament} says about the Son of God:

Proverbs 30:4 and 5 "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his Son's name, if thou canst tell? Every word of God is pure...

Psalm 2 "Why do the heathen [Islam] rage, and the [Islamic] people imagine a vain thing? ["vain," because Allah does not exist] 2 The kings of the earth [land "eretz"--the Middle East] set themselves, and the rulers counsel together [like Ps 83] against the LORD, and against his anointed [the Messiah] 3. Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. 5. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath [this is the same God that is "Love"] and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my King upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8. Ask of me, and I shall give the the heathen {Islam] for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them [Muslims] with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potters vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: {Fahd, Saud, Hussein, etc] be instructed, ye judges of the "eretz" land {earth]. 11. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Notice that these verses [as well as Daniel 3:25] show that even in the Old Testament, "The Son of God" is mentioned:

Daniel 3:25: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."

Yet we Christians, as well as the Jews believe there is only One God! The Old and the New Testament proclaim this. [See John 1] That is why we believe in the Trinity. You really have to believe the Bible in its entirety to believe in the Trinity.

Check it out!

Happy Chanukkah and Merry Christmas, really!

My reply

Thanks.

> > 21:43 "Neither the Christian God, nor the Jewish God can defend their worshipers against Me (Allah)."

It's boastful, but something else caught my eye. Three personalities are represented:

l. "the Christian God"
2. "the Jewish God"
3. "Me (Allah)"

Thus, "Me (Allah)" shows by his own words that he is neither "the Christian God" nor "the Jewish God." "Me (Allah)" is another god, and he got tripped up by his own words.

As I understand it, "Me (Allah)", the other god that is against God the Father and God the Son, is Satan, "the god of this world".

II Cor. 4:4 in the Bible, says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

> > 19:88 If any group of people believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, this would displease Allah so much that He would tear the heavens, split the earth, and cause mountains to fall into the sea.!

The group that believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God already exists. That probably makes "Me (Allah)" so mad he feels like doing something similar to what will happen on the Day of God's Wrath. To me, this reveals that Satan knows what is going to happen.

> > 16:86 People will realize too late that they worshipped the Son of God, who does not exist! > > 28:68 Allah is far above the Jesus Christ that the Christians believe in.

If the Son of God did not exist, "Me (Allah)" wouldn't give a fig if anyone believed in the Son of God. That would be no threat at all. "Me (Allah)" is against the followers of the Son of God, because the Son of God does exist. It wouldn't take much to be "far above" something that don't exist.

Isa. 14:9-15 in the Bible tells us about Lucifer, which to me is "Me (Allah)," Satan. It says, "Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Next is Satan's sin) For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the MOST HIGH. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

The other fallen angels, demons, know that Jesus is the Son of God, so Satan does too. He lies a lot.

In Mark 5:7 the demons called Legion "cried with a loud voice, and said, WHAT HAVE I TO DO WITH THEE, JESUS, THOU SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not."

John 8:44 says, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." His word cannot be trusted.

In spite of what the Koran says, I have read that the Muslims believe that Jesus existed. They just don't think that he is the "son of the most high God," that he was resurrected, or that he is the Saviour of mankind. Agape

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