Pro and Con 1088

Posted 1-15-04

Incoming email, Re: IT IS COMING TOGETHER??????UN TO Babylon!!!!!!!

"For the Law was given by Moses, but God's Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17).

Wow!!!! Marilyn, check this out.
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The U.N. and Babylon

Today, the nations of the world want to EMPOWER THE UN BY REORGANIZING IT. No longer would it function merely as an observer; IT WOULD BECOME A GLOBAL POLICE FORCE, imposing order militarily. UN headquarters sit on 4.5 acres in Manhattan. Its 23,000 employees work in crowded conditions. But there’s little possibility for expansion because the US has been less than enamored with the UN for years and would probably like nothing better than for it to leave New York.

Triggered by the Iraq War, informed sources say that THE INTERNATIONAL QUARTET OF WORLD POWERS (THE US, UN, EUROPEAN UNION AND RUSSIA) HAS DRAFTED A PROPOSAL TO TRANSFER THE SEAT OF THE UNITED NATIONS TO BAGHDAD (ancient Babel or Babylon)! The move would relieve the space constraints of the New York headquarters, while also freeing it from the physical jurisdiction of the US. Though it’s only a draft of the Quartet, plans appear to be in the works to establish a third and perhaps final worldwide organization. ...full article @ israel today
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/headlines/headlines.asp?CatID=2&ArticleID=894

My comments

I'm sceptical. This has not been confirmed and has been removed from that URL. The news I find about the UN and Iraq on other sites is that the UN is sending in a team to assess the security before they send anyone back to Baghdad.

My thought is that they might choose Babylon for security reasons.

U.N. to send team to Baghdad to assess security for possible return, diplomats say

By Edith M. Lederer, Associated Press, 1/13/04
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/013/world/U_N_to_send_team_to_Baghdad_to:.shtml

UNITED NATIONS (AP) The United Nations plans to send a small team to Baghdad to assess security conditions for a possible return of U.N. international staff who were ordered out of Iraq in October, U.N. diplomats said Tuesday.

Iraqi Leader Says U.N. to Play Key Role After June

By Suleiman al-Khalidi, 1-10-04 http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=812769&tw=wn_wire_story

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The head of the U.S-appointed Iraqi Governing Council said on Saturday the United Nations was prepared to take a key role in helping to draft a new constitution and holding elections in the country next year....

Incoming email, Re: Meteorite hits Iran

Hmmm, I wonder if Iran wonders over these signs and wonders?...
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Meteorite hits Iran
Fri 1-2-04 TEHRAN (Reuters)..."A meteorite which hit Babol on Friday morning caused only some minor damage to residential units," radio said...Iranians are currently mourning at least 30,000 people killed by an earthquake measuring 6.8 on the Richter scale which struck southeastern Iran on December 26.

My reply

> > A meteorite which hit Babol

Thanks. That sure seems like a shadow of the asteroid of Rev. 8:10 destroying the completed Tower of Babel at Babylon. Agape

Incoming email, Re: You are blessed!

Your website is amazing! Thank you for letting me see the other signs. I have been seeing the "little" ones for a few years now and it seems almost every day there are more. You are blessed by God who gave you the ability to put His words out there for the world to see. I do believe that Jesus is coming very soon and it breaks my heart to see how many are following that wide path instead of the narrow, glorious one to Christ. God Blesses! Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20-29

I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. Psalms 84:10 Friends in Christ

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. Almost every day's news shows how the Lord is manipulating things to bring his prophecies to pass. As bad as things look, we know that the Lord is in complete control. The bad will get worse until the Day of God's Wrath deposes the False Prophet and destroys the One World Government. Babylon will be destroyed in one hour. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Please check date for Assension Day in May 2004

How do you arrive at May 16th for Assension Day in 2004? Doesn't it always fall 40 days after Resurection Day - therefore on a Thursday, not a Sunday?

My reply

I did it the quick way, went to Sivan 6, 5764, Pentecost, the 50th day and subtracted 10 days. That put Ascension Day on Sunday, May 16, 2004. However, there is disagreement on how to count the 50 days to Pentecost. Actually, I think Sivan 7 is the most likely date for Pentecost, so that puts Ascension Day on Monday, May 17, 2004. I have both days marked on the 2004 calendar.

Here is the way I take Lev. 23:15. It says, "ye shall count unto you from the morrow ('next day' in the New Scofield; i.e., Nisan 16, Feast of Firstfruits) after the sabbath (Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread), from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering (Nisan 16, Firstfruits); seven sabbaths shall be complete."

In 2004, Nisan 16 is Wednesday, April 7. Seven weeks later is Wednesday, Sivan 6. The 50th day is Thursday, Sivan 7 (May 27). Ascension day ten days earlier is May 17.

I think counting days would be the same as counting years. Concerning the Jubilee, the 50th year, Lev. 25:8,10 says, "thou shalt number seven sabbaths (7 x 7 years = 49) of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years....And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land." Agape

Islam and Goddess Worship

Image: (the Crescent Moon and star, omitted)
a) the sign of Islam; b) the sign of the Great Goddess
http://notendur.centrum.is/~snorrigb/fem4.htm

MJA note on a very detailed and interesting article: This caught my eye right away. It says, "The most holy object in the Kaaba is THE BLACK METEORITE STONE, ONCE THE THRONE OF ISIS, NOW CONNECTED WITH ALLAH." It could be a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that broke up and formed the Asteroid Belt. It was the throne of Satan. This also got my attention: "Islam has not only adopted the tower (minaret) but also the WORSHIP OF METEORITES, THE CRESCENT AND THE BABYLONIAN STAR." This modern pagan worship dates from Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz at Babylon. (emphasis mine)
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...The most important triple aspect of the Goddess is her manifestation as Virgin/Mother/Crone. This is perhaps the easiest representation with whom people can identify, as this triplicity corresponds to the three phases of woman’s life... the Young Woman/Mother/Old woman. (Adam McLean, The Triple Goddess. An Exploration of the Archetypal Feminine (Grand Rapids, 1989), 14-15.)

It is noteworthy that those three goddesses were, in certain places, represented by meteorites or aeroliths, stones that had fallen from heaven, just as the Kaaba stone in Mecca....

Long before the coming of the austere patriarchal system of Islam, the Arabic people worshipped this trinity of desert Goddesses who were the three facets of the one Goddess. Al-Uzza (‘the mighty’) represented the Virgin warrior facet; SHE WAS A DESERT GODDESS OF THE MORNING STAR who had a sanctuary in a grove of acacia trees to the south of Mecca, where SHE WAS WORSHIPPED IN THE FORM OF A SACRED STONE. Al-Lat, whose name means simply ‘Goddess’, was the Mother facet connected with the Earth and its fruits and the ruler of fecundity. She was worshipped at At-Ta’if near Mecca in the form of a great uncut block of white granite. Manat, the crone facet of the Goddess, ruled fate and death. Her principal sanctuary was located on the road between Mecca and Medina, where SHE WAS WORSHIPPED IN THE FORM OF A BLACK UNCUT STONE. (McLean, The Triple Goddess, 80.)

This goddess appearing under many names throughout the world of antiquity is the same as was represented as Baal’s wife. She was called Astarte, Semiramis, Ashtaroth, Isis, Venus, Fortuna, Diana, Asherah, Elat, etc.. Indeed, Isis was known as the mother of one thousand names. However, regardless of her various titles, she was Baal’s wife and worshipped as such. (Judges 2:13). Baal is said to have had three daughters, who were apparently called by different names around the ancient world. (Cooper, Canaanite Religion, 86.) They were also considered his brides, with whom he swore to build a house. The ‘Building Saga’ is discussed in (Julian Obermann, Ugaritic Mythology. A Study of Its Leading Motifs (New Haven, 1948)). The Quraysh adopted Allah as Baal, and added the goddesses to his cult the same way as Baal had three daughters in the Fertile Crescent. They venerated him and his three female companions in HIS NEW HOUSE, THE KAABA AT MECCA....

One of the aspects of goddess worship that has survived in Islam, as well as, for example, in Roman Catholicism, is the rosary. Through the ages the worshippers of goddesses had used the rosary for prayers and it is still in use in the worship of female deities all over the world, for example by Hindus in India. The rosary is connected with fertility worship when the deity’s name is repeated over and over again. (Compare to Matthew 6:7-13 and Acts 19:34.) It is called tasbih or subha in Arabic, and simply means ‘an object which one praises.’ The Muslim rosary is supposed to contain 99 beads, representing the titles of ‘Allah’, but usually it only has 33 beads, slipped through one’s fingers three times. (Compare to the Koran 7:180.) This pagan custom, which is dated to Astarte worship from about 800 BCE, still survives in Islam as well as in many other cults around the world....

Wherever the occult powers override true worship, the force behind the occult and New Age always marks its territory through images. Even the Islamic Crescent bears the mark of its founder, Mystery Babylon paganism.

The Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Hindus and American Indians, like the Babylonians, all believed that their gods were just representations of the one god. The ancient people, shortly after the flood, had a knowledge of the True God of Noah, Shem, and Abraham. But the worship of the True God of Noah, Shem, and Abraham soon became perverted into idolatry by the larger population when Nimrod tried to unite the whole world into a One World Government. Just as the ancients believed their various gods to be different expressions of the Only god, so did Muhammed, when he united the 360 gods at Mecca into just one god, Allah.

From 5 Doves site

David Campbell (6 Jan 2004)
"Prophetic News Watch for Winter/Spring, 2004"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2004/davidc16.htm

The Bible is clear - there will be no wall at the time of Ezekiel 38,39 which I believe happens before the Tribulation.

Incoming email, Re: two raptures

Could the two raptures refer to the church (called up in Revelation chapter 4)

There is also, 144,000 sealed children of Israel, out of every tribe of Israel, named in the book of revelation, as the twelve tribes from which He will seal twelve thousand. These are the same Jews, that in the book of Daniel are referenced as those that Michael will save, that are written in the book, that carries the list of those that God will redeem during the tribulation.

The 144,000 show up in the 7th chapter and the 14th chapter. In the 7th chapter they are on earth, protected against the demons, and in the 14th chapter, they are on Mount Zion, with the Lamb in heaven. Somewhere between the 7th and 14th chapters, they've gone up to heaven, raptured also.

My reply

> > Could the two raptures refer to the church (called up in Revelation chapter 4)

I think the first Rapture (Rev. 4:1) is the segment of the Church that is "accounted worthy to escape" all the Tribulation. It looks like they are the wise Philadelphian virgins, the Bride of Christ.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always (see I John 1:9 about confessing sins), that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Mt. 24:10 says, "And while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy (more oil of the Holy Spirit, repent and confess sins as in I John 1:9), the bridegroom (Christ) came; and THEY THAT WERE READY WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: and the door was shut."

That is the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Christ. I think the foolish virgins (remainder of the Church) will wash their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white, then be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture along with the 144,000 Israelites.

Rev. 3:19 says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Rev. 7:14 says, "These are they which came (past tense) out of great tribulation (the shortened last 3.5 years), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > These are the same Jews, that in the book of Daniel are referenced as those that Michael will save, that are written in the book, that carries the list of those that God will redeem during the tribulation.

As you know, actually Jesus saves them, because their names are in the book, but Michael is present at both Raptures. Of the first Rapture, the first trump of God, I Thess. 4:16 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (that's Michael), and with the trump of God (first trump): and the dead in Christ shall rise first."

Of the 2nd Rapture, the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52), Dan. 12:1-3 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet will be deposed, Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (Day of God's Wrath), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people (Israelites) shall be delivered (i.e., raptured), every one that shall be FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament (expanse of space); and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

> > in the 14th chapter, they are on Mount Zion, with the Lamb in heaven. Somewhere between the 7th and 14th chapters, they've gone up to heaven, raptured also.

They have been caught up by Rev. 7:14. It says, "I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came (past tense) out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." These include both the 144,000 and the great multitude of verse 9.

I think that, among that great multitude out of all nations that no man can count is the remnant of the Church, the foolish Laodicean virgins that needed to repent and wash their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white. Agape

Incoming email, Re: RAPTURE

from queensland Australia

I look for JESUS CHRIST the bridegroom to come and take His bride(us,the born again believers).Now my point is:Considering that I have been saved BY GRACE thru FAITH.... I believe that I will be raptured BY GRACE ... there is NOTHING,I say NOTHING I can ADD or DECTRACT to the WORKING of THE LORD...in fact in 31 years since I first believed,I have been KEPT BY HIM,I really couldnt keep myself,so I give HIM(The Father,The Son,The Holy Spirit) ALL THE GLORY,and I believe that BY GRACE HE will do it,for me,for you,and for all those that are waiting for the BLESSED HOPE....the point is,WHEN?well HE KNOWS,and for SURE HE KNOWS BEST...so I think that all we can do is TO WATCH and PRAY and testify for HIM to the people that HE puts in our path,and WAIT patiently for HIS APPEARING...but I think that we should restrain by detting dates...I think that it could be detrimental to HIS cause....and in fact it is..I think that preaching and teaching that HE IS COMING BACK would suffice.....what do you think?

In His love and respectfully, your brother in the faith of JESUS CHRIST, MARANATHA!!!!!

My reply

> > Considering that I have been saved BY GRACE thru FAITH....I believe that I will be raptured BY GRACE ...there is NOTHING,I say NOTHING I can ADD or DECTRACT to the WORKING of THE LORD

Here's what I think. Like the blind Laodiceans, I think we can take ourselves out of the wise-virgin group that will be raptured before the Tribulation. Sin can cause the level of the indwelling Holy Spirit to recede, putting us in the foolish-virgin category. I think they will have to wait to be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. In Rev. 3:16, Jesus said to the Laodiceans, "because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH." I don't want to get spued out at the time of the Rapture.

"The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In John 15:14, Jesus said, "Ye are my friends, IF ye do whatsoever I command you."

He commanded us to watch, so I'm watching. In Mark 13:33, Jesus said, "what I say unto you I say unto all, WATCH." If I can figure out His timing, that will be a bonus. All the clues are in the Bible. In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But TAKE YE HEED: behold, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS." We have God's word on that. If I can't figure out His timing, it won't be because I didn't try.

Jesus also said to repent. In Rev. 3:3, he said, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not WATCH, I will come on thee as a THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. I am watching, and hoping that I will know what hour he will come.

I Thess. 5:2-6 says, "For YOURSELVES (believers) know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh (1st day of the Millennial reign of Christ) as a THIEF in the night (i.e., in the Tribulation). For when THEY (unbelievers) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM (unbelievers), as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY (unbelievers) shall not escape (ekpheugo, flee forth, i.e., not be raptured). But YE, BRETHREN (believers), are not in darkness, that that day should overtake YOU (believers) as a thief. YE (believers) are all the children of light, and the children of the day (i.e., before the Tribulation): WE (believers) are not of the night (i.e., the Tribulation), nor of darkness. Therefore let US (believers) not sleep, as do others; but let US (believers) WATCH and be sober."

I want to be accounted worthy to escape in the Pre-Trib Rapture. Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Jesus said to "repent." I confess my sins, as per I John 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness." Only after that will we be wearing white garments. When we first accepted Christ, all our "old" sins were wiped off the slate. We got a fresh start. When we sin after that, we must confess them to God.

I Peter 1: 3-11 says, "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious PROMISES: THAT BY THESE YE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE (i.e., be a wise virgin with enough oil of the Holy Spirit), having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, GIVING ALL DILIGENCE, ADD TO YOUR FAITH VIRTUE; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE; And to knowledge TEMPERANCE; and to temperance PATIENCE; and to patience GODLINESS; And to godliness BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and to brotherly kindness CHARITY (agape love, God's kind). For IF these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND (like a Laodicean that Christ spits out, Rev. 3:16), and CANNOT SEE AFAR (Heaven), and hath forgotten that HE WAS (in the past) PURGED FROM HIS OLD SINS (when he accepted Christ). Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for IF YE DO THESE THINGS, ye shall never fall: For so an ENTRANCE (i.e., at the Rapture) shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

By repenting, we believers let Jesus wash our feet. John 13:8-10 says, "Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, IF I WASH THEE NOT, THOU HAST NO PART WITH ME (like the Laodiceans at the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 3:16). Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit."

People need to accept Christ to get their old sins wiped off the books. Then, as time goes on, they need to confess sins committed afterward, to be "clean every whit." These are wise Philadelphian virgins before whom the "open door" is set (Rev. 3:8), the ones that are ready when the Bridegroom comes.

"And while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy (more oil of the Holy Spirit), the bridegroom (Christ) came; and they (the wise Philadelphian virgins) that were READY went in with him to the marriage (Marriage of the Lamb): and the door (that was 'opened in heaven,' Rev. 4:1) was shut" (Mt. 25:10).

Rev. 22:14 says, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates (i.e., at the Raptures) into the city" (New Jerusalem).

Col. 4:10 says, "(touching whom ye received commandments: if he (Moses) come unto you [one of the two witnesses that come as the Tribulation begins, Rev. 11:3f], receive him;)". Agape

Incoming email, Re: Syllabus of Bible Chronology

Would it be possible to get a copy of Dr. Ehlert's "Syllabus of Bible Chronology" from you? I have scoured the internet and cannot find it anywhere. It particular, I am interested in the determination of Abraham being born when Terah is 130 years old as opposed to when Terah is 70 years old. Please respond back to me. Thank you very much for your time.

My reply

I checked Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert's "Syllabus of Bible Chronology" out of the BIOLA library at La Mirada, CA, many years ago, when Dr. Ehlert was head librarian. It was unpublished and bound like a thesis. Here is what I wrote in my notes.

Gordian Knots

Shem was 100 2 yrs. after the Flood, so he was born 1558 AH, when Noah was 502

(2) Terah - Abram
Terah born 1878 AH
he lived to be 205
At his death Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH.
Abram was 75, so 2008 AH was date of Abram's birth, which was when Terah was 130.
So Terah born 1878 AH.

Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 AH as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher.

"The result arrived at is characterized by the accuracy and certainty of an exact science. It cannot be one year more. It cannot be one year less. This is so mathematically exact and so absolutely certain, that since Ussher proved that Terah was 130 when Abram was born, no chronologer, who accepts the text of the Old Testament, has ever made the period covered by the Book of Genesis from the Creation of Adam to the death of Joseph anything else but 2369 years. The only exception is R.G. Faussett, who supposes that Abraham left Haran, not as Scripture says, when his father Terah died, but after an interval of 2 years."

Panin agrees with Anstey on all dates up to the birth of Moses. He dates the 430 years from Abraham's second covenant and gets 2457 AH instead of 2433 AH for birth of Moses. Agape

Book of Enoch

Whoever wrote the "Book of Enoch" seems to have understood that the cherubim were among the stars and that they surround Heaven. I think the cherubim are planets that like Saturn (Heaven) orbit the Sun.

14.11 says, "Its roof was like the path of the stars and flashes of lightning, and among them (the stars and lightning) was fiery cherubim, and their sky was like water."

14.18 says, "And I looked, and I saw in it, a high throne, and its appearance was like ice, and its surrounds like the shining Sun and the sound of cherubim."

Satellite picture of the Sinai Peninsula looks like a face

http://www.physics.nps.navy.mil/awst_october_14_2002.pdf

Supervolcano - Yellowstone National Park

http://exodus2006.worldonline.co.uk/supervol.html

Eruption in 2010 Bible code.

Reports of dead animals

Is The Forecasting Of The Eruption Of The Yellowstone Supervolcano Possible?

My reply

Since each letter in Hebrew and Greek has a numerical coefficient, there are too many letters to be certain that any date in the future will be correct. However, Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010) might turn out to be the Day of God's Wrath, the day of thick darkness (Joel 2:1-3).

Incoming email, Re: Question for you

I have a question for you about Cain and Abel and I was wondering if you could maybe answer it for me. When Cain killed Abel, God sent Cain out with a mark so that he would be protected from anyone hurting him. My question is where did these other people come from that Cain was so worried about? It seems like a silly question but I'm curious. Thank you!

My reply

In Gen. 1:28, "God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." They multiplied, and had many children. We aren't told how many, for the main ones that are mentioned in Scripture are in the genealogy of Christ, i.e., Adam, Seth, etc.

However, Seth was not born until Adam was 130 years old. He had many brothers and sisters by that time. Cain's words reflect that. In Gen. 4:14, he said, "I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."

After Seth came even more children. Gen. 5:4 says, "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters." If Adam and Eve had a child every 2 years, they could have had 400 children in their lifetime. At maybe 20, those children would have paired off and begun producing Adam and Eve's grandchildren. When the grandchildren were about 20, they would pair off and begin to produce Adam and Eve's great grandchildren. Agape

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