Pro and Con 1091

Posted 1-24-04

Breaking News: TV says that our second Mars rover, Opportunity, has landed safely. According to the article below, the first rover, Spirit, restarted its computer 130 times, but that has been stopped now.

Second Mars Rover Landing While First Rover Mends

By ANDREW BRIDGES
http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article_lc.asp?storyid=53910

1/24/04 PASADENA, Calif. (AP) -- As a NASA rover sped toward a late-night landing on Mars, its identical twin was on the mend Saturday after abruptly malfunctioning days into its mission to search for evidence the Red Planet once could have supported life.

Engineers said they were closing in on the root of the problem that led the Spirit rover to spew gibberish and beeps instead of science and engineering data. They brought stability to the six-wheeled vehicle by disabling its flash memory, which is similar to the memory digital cameras use to store pictures, said Orlando Figueroa, director of NASA's Mars exploration program....

Europe's stunning Red Planet view

The first image of the Red Planet taken by Europe's Mars Express probe since it arrived in orbit has been released. 1-19-04
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3410631.stm

More great photos: "In pictures: Close-ups of Mars"

The European Mars Express space probe has sent back highly detailed images of the surface of the Red Planet. 1-23-04
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3423301.stm

Incoming email, Re: Pope never commented on Gibson's 'Passion' film, says papal secretary

I thought this recent denial was interesting to say the least. Either he does believe this or he doesn't, or somebody else high in power doesn't want this statement released because they don't believe it ( and think they are the Christ/Savior) or deem it politically incorrect to state such claims by the Catholic church.

My reply

I sure would have liked to hear his real reaction to the film. Agape

"Concert of Reconciliation" Calls Believers to Reject Violence
Gathers Jewish, Christian and Muslim Leaders at Vatican

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=47532

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 18, 2004 (Zenit.org).- A concert attended by John Paul II and leading rabbis and Muslim religious leaders became an urgent call to reconciliation among followers of the three faiths.

At the end of the musical event Saturday evening, the Pope addressed the audience in Paul VI Hall, saying that believers of the monotheist religions "cannot accept that the earth be afflicted by hatred, that humanity be troubled by endless wars."...

U.N. ready to help on Iraq transition

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3996048/

Incoming email, Re: Question

I have another question for you. Were there two "raptures" in the Bible? I know that Elijah was one of them and for some reason I keep thinking that the Lord caught up someone else but I can't remember who. Or maybe I am wrong. Can you help me? Thanks

My reply

Enoch, a Gentile, was raptured before Noah's Flood. Gen. 5:24 says, "Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." Enoch means dedicated, disciplined, well regulated, and teacher. He was a prophet. Jude 1:14 says, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints."

The first Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37; Luke 17:26,27). No fire fell.

I think Enoch was a type of the Pre-Trib Rapture and Elijah, a Hebrew, was a type of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Elijah means my God is Jehovah. No fire was involved when Enoch was caught up. Elijah was caught up in a chariot of fire.

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot (Luke 17:28,29). Fire fell the same day that Lot was brought out of Sodom (Luke 17:29). I think an asteroid impacted Earth that day. The Earth was split from Turkey to Lake Nyassa in Africa. We call it the Great Rift Valley. The bedrock at the Dead Sea was punched down with terrific force. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Crucifixion day

Jesus died about 3 PM on Wednesday this is true, but there was still preparation for the body. Thank about it: How long did it take for Joseph and Nicodemus to prep the body for burial? Joseph had to go to Pilate to ask for the body of the Lord. THIS TOOK TIME: MAYBE one hour or two hours. I can't say but I can say that the Sabbath drew on, time was running out.

The body was wrapped in linen clothes and there were about one hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes mixed together to anoint the body. This had to be done so the body could be buried or placed in the heart of the earth. John 19:40. All this took time to do. It looks to me that around 6:00pm Wednesday evening the body of the Lord was placed in the heart of the earth or buried.

Around 6:00 on Saturday evening He was raised. This gave Him three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

Matthew tells us that Mary Magdalene went to the sepulchre in the end of the Sabbath verse 6 of Matthew says He is not here: for He is risen. The word is, here is a past tense meaning already risen. We know that Mary made two trips to the sepulchre, Jesus was not there the first time at the end of the Sabbath, but early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene.

I promise you, Mary Magdalene came to the sepulchre early in the morning on the first day of the week while it was still dark. When she recognized the Lord He told her to TOUCH ME NOT: FOR I AM NOT YET ASENDED TO MY FATHER. John 20:17.

Mark 16:9 9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. If the comma was in the right place here all four Gospels would line up together nothing taken away from scripture and nothing added to scripture. It gives the Lord three days and three nights in the hart of the earth no more or no less.

Mark 16:9 should read 9Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. We know this to be true from what we are told in John 20 when the Lord met with Mary, It was still dark Jesus said TOUCH ME NOT: FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER.

Luke 24:6 says, He is not here but is risen: The word IS here is a past tense meaning already risen. Mark 16:6 says, He is risen He is not here: The word IS here is a past tense meaning already risen.

Also thank about what Daniel 9:26, 27 says,"after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. When he was killed the temple rent from top to bottom this cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

Thank you so much

My reply, Re: Day of the Crucifixion

> > How long did it take for Joseph and Nicodemus to prep the body for burial?

I don't think we are told. They had up to 3 hours. Jesus died at about 3 PM on "the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14), Nisan 13. The Passover (Nisan 14, Lev. 23:5) started at 6 PM on the 13th.

> > there were about one hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes mixed together to anoint the body. This had to be done so the body could be buried or placed in the heart of the earth.

The body was not "placed in the heart of the earth." As I understand it, the body was placed in an above-ground tomb hewn out of Jerusalem limestone.

In Mt. 12:40, Jesus said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." At about 3 PM, when Jesus died, he left his body behind and went to the heart of the earth. The "heart" is the same as "the lower parts" in Eph. 4:8-10. This was far below anyone that was buried near the surface of the Earth.

Eph. 4:8-10 says, "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive (he took those in Paradise, in the heart of the Earth, to Heaven), and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

Mt. 28:1-6 says, "In the end of the sabbath (lit., sabbaths, i.e., Friday, Passover, and Saturday, Unleavened Bread), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (Sunday), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Dawn of the first day of the week is when the Sun rays began to be seen in the sky on Sunday morning. That Sunday was the Feast of Firstfruits. Jesus, the firstfruits, was resurrected on the Feast of Firstfruits.

Lev. 23:10,11 says, "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the FIRSTFRUITS of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH THE PRIEST SHALL WAVE IT."

Friday (Nisan 14, Lev. 23:5) was the "high day" sabbath, Passover. The 7th-day Sabbath was Saturday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The morrow after Saturday was Sunday, the first day of the week.

Luke 24:1,13,21 says, "Now upon the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (Sunday), very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them....And, behold, two of them went that same day (Sunday) to a village called Emmaus...to day (Sunday) is the THIRD DAY SINCE these things were done."

The 3 days SINCE Thursday were (1) Friday, (2) Saturday and (3) Sunday. I don't see how the "third day since" can be anything but Sunday.

> > It looks to me that around 6:00pm Wednesday evening the body of the Lord was placed in the heart of the earth or buried. Around 6:00 on Saturday evening He was raised. This gave Him three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

Jesus was in the heart of the Earth about 3 PM. If that day had been Wednesday, there would have been 24 hours to 3 PM Thursday and then 24 more hours to 3 PM Friday and then 24 more hours to 3 PM Saturday. That is 72 hours, and it doesn't fit Scripture. I don't know of anyone that claims that Jesus was resurrected at 3 PM Saturday. Scripture is too plain that it was on the third day after the Crucifixion. Luke 24:21 says, "today (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done."

> > Also thank about what Daniel 9:26, 27 says, "after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. When he was killed the temple rent from top to bottom this cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

Dan. 9:26 is talking about Yeshua haMashiach, who was "cut off (karath, killed), but not for himself" (for us). He was an Israelite. His people were Israelites. The Israelites did not destroy the temple in 70 AD, the Roman army led by Titus did.

Dan. 9:27 is talking about the wicked one, the prince that shall come to power in the 70th week of Daniel, the Tribulation. He is the one that will strengthen the peace covenant with many for 7 years and cause the sacrificing to stop Mid-Trib when he sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He is the desolator upon whom the Wrath of God will be poured at "the consummation" of the shortened Tribulation. He is the one whose people destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

The Israelites will not "take away the daily sacrifice, and...place the abomination that maketh desolate", as Antiochus Epiphanes did (Dan. 11:31). Mid-Trib, the wicked one will do it. Because of "the overspreading of abominations (idols) he (the False Prophet) shall make it (the temple) desolate, even until the consummation."

> > When he was killed the temple rent from top to bottom this cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

The sacrificing did not end until later, near the time that the temple was burned. In the seige, the Jews ran out of things necessary to carry on the sacrificing.

> > (from your previous letter) 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

I think Jesus' body died about 3 PM on Thursday (Nisan 13, 'the preparation of the passover'). The resurrection was on Sunday. The 3 days were the 3 feast days: (1) Friday (Nisan 14, Passover), (2) Saturday (Nisan 15, Unleavened Bread), and (3) Sunday (Nisan 16, Firstfruits), when he was resurrected.

If it had been 3 PM on Wednesday, there would have been 4 days, (1) Thursday, (2) Friday, (3) Saturday, and (4) Sunday. Wednesday doesn't fit. Thursday fits all the scriptures about the Crucifixion.

If the Crucifixion had been on Wednesday, Thursday would have been the "high day," Passover, Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:5). Friday would have been the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15), and Saturday would have been the Feast of Firstfruits (Nisan 16).

That won't work. Lev. 23:10,11 says, "ye shall bring a sheaf of the FIRSTFRUITS of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW (Sunday) AFTER THE SABBATH (Saturday) the priest shall wave it."

According to Josephus, the Feast of Firstfruits was Nisan 16, the "Second day of unleavened bread." He said, "But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them" (Ant. III. X. 5).

Since Lev. 23:5 says that the Passover is Nisan 14 and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is Nisan 15, we are stuck with Friday, Saturday and Sunday for the 3 feasts. There is no other day than Thursday that could have been "the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14).

I hope this helps. Agape

Incoming email

I didn't mean to be an ass. Sorry if I was.

I have seen a lot of discussion about "made" and "created." Some people think that Genesis is describing Elohim's reworking of a defective earth. Based on what you've said about "bara" vs. "asah" this doesn't seem as likely. Some have used the "created" vs. "made" argument to ask if "in the beginning" meant "in the beginning of everything" or just "in the beginning of the story of the human race." They support their arguments by citing (and I can't cite anything) parts of the Bible that seem to be eluding to a time before "in the beginning," such as Lucifer's fall and when the Son comes into existence, etc. I think your reference to "hayah" as "became" also points in that direction. Some poeple have argued that "waters" in "moved over the face of the waters" means great void or deep, but is there a face or surface to a void?

Oh, speaking of Elohim. I have read some people's opinion that the original Hebrew text involving Elohim was in a plural context. Every time Elohim did something, plural verbs and cases, etc. were used. When attempting to translate it literally (into Greek, I think), the scholars at the time had great difficulty singularizing the text, since they actually had to change the wording to be singular. I don't know how true this is since, of course, I don't know a lick about ancient Hebrew. Anyway, I thought that was interesting.

This can all be very confusing when trying to read so much into such a few really precise words (or vague) depending on how you see it. No wonder the Bible has kept so many people busy for so long. Best regards,

My reply

No offense taken....

> > Some people think that Genesis is describing Elohim's reworking of a defective earth.

I think that everything God created was good to start with. Isa 45:18 (KJV) says, "thus saith the LORD that created (bara) the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made (asah) it; he hath established it, he created (bara) it NOT in vain (tohuw, waste), he formed it to be inhabited."

I can see where the change came in Gen 1:2. I am using the KJV here because the translators printed the "was" in gray italics when it had to be supplied by the translator.

Verse 2 says, "And the earth was ('hayah,' lit., became, because there was a change at this point) without form, and void; and darkness was (no 'hayah' is used here, because there is no change at this point) upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Here is the same verse with Strong's word numbers. It is called "KJV+" by e-Sword (which you can download free: http/www.e-sword.net). "And the earth776 was1961 (hayah, became, i.e., there is a change here) without form8414 (tohuw, waste), and void922 (bohuw, empty, desolate); and darkness2822 was upon the face6440 of the deep8415. And the Spirit7307 of God430 moved7363 upon5921 the face6440 of the waters4325." Notice that the italicized word "was" has no number after it. That word had to be supplied by the translator.

The waste, emptyness and darkness all came with the change denoted by the word "hayah," which can be translated "became."

The Concordant Version of Gen. 1:2 says, "Yet the earth BECAME a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos." At this point, the land was all under water. The dry land appeared in verse 9. It says, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE, and let the dry land appear." I think that "ONE PLACE" was the Pacific Basin. The continents didn't divide until the days of "Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided" (Gen. 10:25).

Job 26:11-14 (Jerusalem Bible) says, "The pillars of the heavens tremble, awe-struck at his threats. By his power, he has whipped up the Sea, by his skill, he has crushed Rahab (Satan's planet, now the Asteroid Belt). His breath has made the heavens luminous (the blackness of space lit up by impact explosion), his hand transfixed the FLEEING SERPENT (Satan). This is only a fraction of what he had done and all we catch of it is the feeblest echo." This gives us a small glimmer of what took place when the planet Rahab split apart and THE PLACE was dug for the waters on Earth.

Isa. 51:9-16 (NEB) says, "Awake, awake, put on your strength, O arm of the LORD (LORD of hosts, the Redeemer, Christ, Isa. 44:6), awake as you did LONG AGO, IN DAYS GONE BY, Was it not you who HACKED THE RAHAB IN PIECES AND RAN THE DRAGON THROUGH? Was it not you who dried up the sea, the waters of the great abyss...the LORD of Hosts is my name (the Redeemer, Christ, Isa. 44:6). I cleft the sea and its waves roared, that I might fix (nata, fasten) the heavens in place and form (yacad, set, settle, establish, foundations) the earth."

Isa. 51:15,16 (Amplified) says, "I am the Lord your God. Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar, and by rebuke restrains it...I have...covered you in the shadow of My hand, that I may FIX THE NEW HEAVENS AS A TABERNACLE, AND LAY THE FOUNDATIONS OF A NEW EARTH?"

The old heavens had the planet Rahab between Mars and Jupiter. I think our Heaven was the fourth heaven then. The "new heavens" leaves out Rahab. I think the "third heaven," where Paul went (II Cor. 12:2) is Saturn. This is portrayed in the Tabernacle. The first 2 cubes form the Holy Place. I think they stand for Mars and Jupiter, for the Holy of Holies represents Heaven, Saturn. The Tabernacle was "the pattern of things in the heavens" (Heb. 9:23).

Psa. 104:6-8 (KJV) says, "Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto THE PLACE (i.e., the Pacific Basin) which thou hast founded for them." Psa 104:30 (KJV+) explains, "Thou sendest7971 forth thy spirit7307, they are created1254 (bara): and thou renewest2318 (chadash...a primitive root; to be new; causatively, to rebuild:--renew, repair) the face6440 (i.e., the surface) of the earth127."

> > face of the waters" means great void or deep, but is there a face or surface to a void?

The ocean has a surface (face) as well as its deeps. "Tehom" is the depths of the seas.

> > speaking of Elohim. I have read some people's opinion that the original Hebrew text involving Elohim was in a plural context.

Elohim/Elohiym is plural. Deu 6:4 (KJV) clears it up for me. It says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one (echad, united) LORD."

Here it is in the KJV+: "Hear8085, O Israel3478: The LORD3068 (YHVH, Yahweh or Yhovah) our God430 (Elohiym) is one259 (echad, united) LORD3068 (YHVH)"

In Rev. 22:13 and16, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last....I am the root (YHVH) and the offspring of David" (Jesus). Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

The Spirit of Christ is the same as the Spirit of God. Rom 8:9 says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Agape

Incoming email

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Incoming email, Re: suggestions

I wrote this up rather quickly but I hope it may help. May the Lord come to get us soon!

Since Christ is our atonement (Rom 5:11) and therefore our Jubilee, I would suggest that he was born on Tishri 10, NOT Tishri 1. The 10 fits being the day of Atonement, the number of completeness, and with Rev 1:10 and also still fits Christ as the former or early rains at his first coming. A lamb was chosen by each house on the first month on the 10th day or Nisan 10 for the Passover (i.e., the lamb of God Ex 12:1-3; John 1:29,36; Rev 5:6). Israel also crossed the Jordan and came into the Promiseland on Nisan 10th which fits again with Christ coming as the latter rain (Josh. 4:19).

The church is the body of Christ and we are members of the body. We are members of his body, his flesh, and his bones (Rom 7:4; 1Cor 10:16; 1Cor 12:27; Eph 4:2, 5:30). Christ is a man, the image of God and express image of his person (Gen 1:27; 2Cor 4:4; Heb 1:3). He has (chosen us in him) and we have put on the new man (Eph 1:4, 2:15, 4:24; Col 3;10) until we become the perfect (finished, complete, grown) man (Col 1:28; Eph 4:13; Jas 3:2). Christ is the last Adam, King of the Jews, and King of the daughter of Sion or Israel of God whom I believe is the last Eve (1Cor 15:45; Mt 2:2, 21:5; John 21:5; Gal 6:16) and serves as his wife on earth in the Millennium (Rev 19:7-9). Daughter(s) of Zion is used 30 times in the OT mostly in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Lamentations. We will all someday be ONE IN CHRIST who will then join or marry New Jerusalem his bride and wife (Gal 3:28; Rev 21:2,9). I believe the few chosen are in Christ and are his disciples who love one another and forsake all for God and the Kingdom of God and will be the righteous (members of his body or body parts) that shine as the sun (John 13:34, 15:12,17, etc.; Mt 19:27; Luke 14:33; Mt 13:43, 17:2; Rev 1:14-16). The sun is referred to as male while the moon has a female gender and with the stars was made to rule the night when Christ and his few chosen are gone (Gen 1:16, 37:9; Jer 31:35). When Lot was saved the sun was risen (Gen 19:23-26). The many called are in women or in fornication (as you say joined) with women or governments and things or "stuff" of this world. The two main ones in Revelation are Israel called as a woman forsaken and Babylon (Isa 54:6; Rev 17:1-6) both after the flesh or fruits of this world (1Cor 10:18; Rev 18:14). Woman is the glory of the man (1Cor 11:7-9) or are the governments of the world or gentiles who rule over Israel, all deceived as Eve was deceived (Isa 3:12; Rev 12:9; 1Tim 2:14). Israel will be saved in child bearing of the 144,000 in heaven and many on earth for the Lord (1Tim 2:15; Rev 12,13,14).

Nisan 10 is on April 1, 2004, I believe perhaps a good day to come as a thief?

My reply

> > Since Christ is our atonement (Rom 5:11) and therefore our Jubilee, I would suggest that he was born on Tishri 10, NOT Tishri 1.

These are my opinions. Atonement sure fits, but the Jubilee year doesn't. It was announced on the Day of Atonement, and started the following Nisan 1, first day of the Sacred Year.

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year. The latter rain starts Nisan 1, first day of the Sacred and Regnal Year.

I think the Lord of lords and King of kings will return to Earth on the first day of the Sacred and Regnal Year, Nisan 1, Sacred because he is Lord of lords, and Regnal because he is King of kings. All the other Israelite kings' reigns were counted as beginning on Nisan 1.

If we are to count Nisan 1 as the latter rain, Tishri 1 makes sense to me as the former rain.

I think this "kosmos" (Gr., orderly arrangement of things) began on Tishri 1. That was the day God rested, and the new kosmos began to operate as it does now. The year began to be counted then. Adam was king on that day. Christ is the 2nd Adam. I figure he will start his millennial reign in Heaven on Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 11:15-19), and his earthly reign on the following Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal Year.

There are to be 7 Jewish months between those two days (Eze. 38:20; 39:12,13. Therefore, I think that particular Tishri 1 will begin a Jewish Leap Year. My guess is 5771 (our 2010/2011).

> > Nisan 10 is on April 1, 2004, I believe perhaps a good day to come as a thief?

That's when the Passover lamb was chosen and then kept up until Passover. It depicted Christ, who is our Passover (I Cor. 5:7).

The Tribulation seems to be referred to as night, or darkness. I think the millennial Day of the Lord will begin on Tishri 1, when Jesus comes "as a thief in the night" for the Tribulation saints.

1Th 5:1-9 says, "But of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For THEY that sleep sleep in the night; and THEY that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation (soteria, rescue) by our Lord Jesus Christ".

To me, Ascension Day seems a likely time for us to ascend. We are the Body of Christ, of which the head ascended on that day. It fits Song of Solomon 2:10-14 too. It says that the rain is over and gone. To me, that rules out Nisan, the month of the latter rain, but any day will be fine with me. Agape

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