Pro and Con 1092

Posted 1-27-04

Incoming email, Please pray for me

I have hurt myself sledding and shoveling snow. I ask please pray for me. IAM in great pain. I go to the Dr. this morning. I pray that it is not a disc problem just muscle. I pray that Jesus will heal me. I did send a letter to five doves that is more detailed. Marilyn could you please ask others you know who are prayer warriors to pray for me. I need Jesus healing touch. It is more than I can stand. This is very difficult to type but I need to ask everyone. In Jesus name, Please. Shelly, (lilshephrd)

My reply

I am posting your e-mail, and I'm praying for you. Having gone through excruciating pain in my back a few months ago, I sure do sympathize with you.

Long history of water and Mars

By Dr David Whitehouse, 1-24-04

...Mars Express has sent back yet more evidence that Mars in the past was a wet world, with torrents of running water on its surface. Looking at the spacecraft's images I am more convinced than ever that there is likely to be life there....

It is now known that the polar caps are made of water-ice, with a coating of carbon dioxide ice that disappears seasonally, though this does not happen to the southern polar cap, where the carbon dioxide never completely dissipates.

Water, water, everywhere...

Gullies possibly cut by water stand out sharply on the Martian surface The Mars Global Surveyor mapped the planet like never before detecting sharp gullies that must have been caused by running water in the recent geological past.

Mars Odyssey found water-ice in vast quantities just below the surface across great swathes of the planet away from the poles....

Even before Mars Express sent back its remarkable images water and Mars were synonymous. The big question now is, could there be life?

New Mars rock hints at past water

By Dr David Whitehouse, 1-21-04

A rock found in the Atlas Mountains of southern Morocco in 2001 has been confirmed as Martian in origin....

It is described as a peridotite, an extremely rare type of Mars rock consisting of the minerals olivine, pyroxene and plagioclase glass....

Scientists say the fragments are magmatic rocks. Magmatism is the main process by which water moves from the core of planets to their surface....

Mars meteorites are extremely rare - fewer than 20 confirmed examples have been identified - and all are believed to come from the same body of rock that was blasted off the planet when it was hit by a large asteroid or comet....

Martian meteorites are distinguished by their relative youth, being at most 1.3 billion years old, compared with 4.5 billion years old for other meteorites....

My reply

I wonder if that 1.3 billion years might date from the splitting up of the planet Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt.

Incoming email, Re: Split 70th. week????

A couple of days ago I started wondering about the treaty to be confirmed ... and came to a tentative conclusion that the only possibility among existing treaties was the Camp David Accords expanded to include the entire Mideast. Then I stumbled across this. Does this make any sense to you (not necessarily in detail but in principle)? ...Agape

My reply

> > Daniel tells us that that covenant will be confirmed with many for one "week" (a group of seven years, not necessarily consecutive)

> > "And he will confirm the covenant (treaty with Israel) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (in the midst of the division of those years, a gap of time...."midst" is different from "middle") he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease"

I see no reason to think that the 7 years are not continuous.

In Dan. 9:25, "seven weeks" is "sheba shabua."

In Lev 26:23,24, the Lord said, "if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times (sheba, seven) for your sins." Sheba is translated "seven" 362 times.

The word translated "midst" in Dan. 9:27 is "chetsiy...From H2673; the half or middle: - half, middle, mid [-night], midst, part, two parts." Strong's H2673 is "chatsah...A primitive root...; to cut or split in two; to halve: - divide, X live out half, reach to the midst, part." It is translated "half" 108 times.

> > We believe that from March 26, 1979 until September 26, 1982 was the first half of Daniel's last "week" (shabuah...a bundle of seven years). Therefore the first 3 1/2 years are completed and only the 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation remain. > > That is where the Book of Revelation mid-Trib. "in the midst" of the GAP of time, as the seals are opened in Revelation Chapter Six.

It is a stretch to think that the same man would be in power in 1979 and in the coming Great Tribulation. Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin was in office in 1979. He was born in 1913 and died in 1992.

In Rev. 11:3, the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days. At the end of that time, they will be killed. That is when the 1260-day reign of the first Beast of Rev. 13 ends, and the 2nd beast, the False Prophet, takes over. After 3.5 days, the two witnesses are resurrected and ascend to Heaven. Within that same hour is a great earthquake in Jerusalem. A tenth of the city falls and 7000 are killed (Rev. 11:12,13).

This is not the Day of God's Wrath, which is much worse. Of that day, Rev 16:18,19 says, "there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

Eze. 38:20 tells us more of this worldwide earthquake. It says, "the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

> > We are presently within the GAP time.

If that were true, the earthquake that kills 7000 at Jerusalem after the first 3.5 years would have already taken place.

> > "the beast that was , and is not, and yet is" Rev. 17: 8 + 11 meaning: "the beast that was (first 3 1/2 yrs), and is not (gap years) and yet is (last 3 1/2 years)

> > The first 3 1/2 years began on March 26-1979 and lasted 42 months until September 26-1982.

I think Satan, the great red dragon, is "the beast that was" (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), and yet is" (exists). When the False Prophet is deposed, Satan will operate on his own as "the eighth" king. Rev. 17:11 says, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition" (the False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition [2Thess. 2:3]; Judas was the 1st [John 17:12]).

> > Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:15 that when the Abomination of Desolation (foreign army) stands in the holy place (Western Wall Plaza...Temple Area) that THEN---and ONLY then---the Great Tribulation begins.( Matthew 24:21).That is when the countdown will begin.

I think the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel is an idol. When it is placed at the temple, the last 3.5 years, the Great Tribulation will begin. From Mid-Trib to the Day of God's Wrath is covered in Mt. 24:15-31.

Dan 11:31 says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." To me, it is a thing, not a foreign army.

It is something that is set up. Dan 12:11 says, "from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Agape

His reply

Wow! I can always depend on you to rectify my dumber aberrations. You've settled this one for sure. Thank you. Agape

Incoming email, Re: - today


ABOUT THE 9TH PARAGRAPH DOWN IT STATES: On July 1st, NASA's Cassini spacecraft is due to arrive in orbit around Saturn, after a flight of nearly 7 years!!!

Isn't this to.oo much. Let's say that the Lord takes us to be with Him in May 2004. People left here start remembering things about Heaven being located in Saturn. Then they make an attempt to 'land' on Saturn to see what it is all about..whew...

Here, There, or in the air..looking UP!

Look, up in the sky, it's a rare sighting
2004 promises many a star light, star bright night
By Frank D. Roylance,Sun Staff, 12-29-03
...And, on July 1, NASA's Cassini spacecraft is due to arrive in orbit around Saturn after a flight of nearly seven years. Cassini's Huygens probe is programmed to parachute to the surface of Saturn's largest moon, Titan.

My reply

Thanks. I know how you feel. I have been following the Cassini-Huygens mission to Saturn and her moon Titan too. The timing is great.

In John 14:2-4, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know ('to the third heaven,' II Cor. 12:2, i.e., Mars, Jupiter, then Saturn), and THE WAY YE KNOW."

Voyager I and II, plus the Cassini mission prove that we know the way to Saturn. Voyager I arrived at Saturn 11-12-1980. Voyager II arrived 8-25-1981.

In 2Co 12:2, Paul said, "I knew a man (Paul himself, but not wanting to boast) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise (i.e., in the third heaven), and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me." And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure."

Cassini left here Oct.15, 1997, is programed to arrive at destination July 1, 2004, and orbit Saturn 4 years. That would end July 1, 2008. Astronomers should know more about Saturn then than they know now. An instrument on the Cassini orbiter is to gather information on the atmospheric composition and photochemistry of both Saturn and Titan.

It is to visit Saturn's moon Phoebe June 11, 2004 and float the Huygens probe to the surface of Titan Jan. 14, 2005. Titan is the only moon known to have an atmosphere, so they are curious to find out how similar to Earth it is.

After the Rapture takes place, I wonder what they will be able to do with Cassini. The Voyager spacecrafts were later programed to do more than was planned at takeoff. Maybe Cassini will be too. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Paul Harvey comment on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson

From: Jim Bramlett, Jan 11, 2004

Below are Paul Harvey's stirring comments concerning Mel Gibson's new movie, "The Passion of the Christ," due to be released on February 25, 2004. For more information abut the film, see

Note that Harvey says the movie is "a kind of art that is a rarity in life." Jim
I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to this influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions.

I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion", held in Washington DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.

In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.

One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful! . They had been borne voluntarily for love.

At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be "anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus" I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way.

Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.

We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion."

It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion." You will be as well. Don't miss it! This is a commentary by DAVID LIMBAUGH about Mel Gibson's very controversial movie regarding Christ's crucifixion. It, too, is well worth reading.

How ironic that when a movie producer takes artistic license with historical events, he is lionized as artistic, creative and brilliant, but when another takes special care to be true to the real-life story, he is vilified. Actor-producer Mel Gibson is discovering these truths the hard way as he is having difficulty finding a United States studio or distributor for his upcoming film, "The Passion," which depicts the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus Christ.

Gibson co-wrote the script and financed, directed and produced the movie. For the script, he and his co-author relied on the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as well as the diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) and Mary of Agreda's "The City of God."

Gibson doesn't want this to be like other sterilized religious epics. "I'm trying to access the story on a very personal level and trying to be very real about it." So committed to realistically portraying what many would consider the most important half-day in the history of the universe, Gibson even shot the film in the Aramaic language of the period. In response to objections that viewers will not be able to understand that language, Gibson said, "Hopefully, I'll be able to transcend the language barriers with my visual storytelling; if I fail, I fail, but at least it'll be a monumental failure."

To further insure the accuracy of the work, Gibson has enlisted the counsel of pastors and theologians, and has received rave reviews. Don Hodel, president of Focus on the Family, said, "I was very impressed. The movie is historically and theologically accurate." Ted Haggard, pastor of New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., and president of the National Evangelical Association, glowed: "It conveys, more accurately than any other film, who Jesus was."

During the filming, Gibson, a devout Catholic, attended Mass every morning because "we had to be squeaky clean just working on this." From Gibson's perspective, this movie is not about Mel Gibson. It's bigger than he is. "I'm not a preacher, and I'm not a pastor," he said. "But I really feel my career was leading me to make this. The Holy Ghost was working through me on this film, and I was just directing traffic. I hope the film has the power to evangelize."

Even before the release of the movie, scheduled for March 2004, Gibson is getting his wish. "Everyone who worked on this movie was changed. There were agnostics and Muslims on set converting to Christianity...[and] people being healed of diseases." Gibson wants people to understand through the movie, if they don't already, the incalculable influence Christ has had on the world. And he grasps that Christ is controversial precisely because of WHO HE IS - GOD incarnate. "And that's the point of my film really, to show all that turmoil around him politically and with religious leaders and the people, all because He is Who He is."

Gibson is beginning to experience first hand just how controversial Christ is. Critics have not only speciously challenged the movie's authenticity, but have charged that it is disparaging to Jews, which Gibson vehemently denies. "This is not a Christian vs. Jewish thing. '[Jesus] came into the world, and it knew him not.' Looking at Christ's crucifixion, I look first at my own culpability in that." Jesuit Father William J. Fulco, who transla! ted the script into Aramaic and Latin, said he saw no hint of anti-Semitism in the movie. Fulco added, "I would be aghast at any suggestion that Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic." Nevertheless, certain groups and some in the mainstream press have been very critical of Gibson's "Passion."

The New York Post's Andrea Peyser chided him: "There is still time, Mel, to tell the truth." Boston Globe columnist James Carroll denounced Gibson's literal reading of the biblical accounts. "Even a faithful repetition of the Gospel stories of the death of Jesus can do damage exactly because those sacred texts themselves carry the virus of Jew hatred," wrote Carroll. A group of Jewish and Christian academics has issued an 18-page report slamming all aspects of the film, including its undue emphasis on Christ's passion rather than "a broader vision." The report disapproves of the movie's treatment of Christ's passion as historical fact.

The moral is that if you want the popular culture to laud your work on Christ, make sure it either depicts Him as a homosexual or as an everyday sinner with no particular redeeming value (literally). In our anti-Christian culture, the blasphemous "The Last Temptation of Christ" is celebrated and "The Passion" is condemned. But if this movie continues to affect people the way it is now, no amount of cultural opposition will suppress its force and its positive impact on lives everywhere. Mel Gibson is a model of faith and courage....

Incoming email, Re: Cherubim

Would you please help me visualize this picture? The inner sanctuary is a cube, 20 by 20 by 20. The 2 cherubim are 10 cubits each and they each touch the (outer?) wall and each other with their wings. I have concluded that they must be a 2 dimensional flat representation of the way that you describe them in your "Heaven Found, a Butter and Honey Star" book. The problem that I am having is that I cannot picture how they can be 2 dimensional and flat and still be on the ends of the ark and facing each other. If they are NOT 2 dimensional then how in the world could the ark fit into this 20 by 20 by 20 room? These 2 spheres, it seems to me would take up the whole room and leave no room for the ark. Please help! Thank you so much!
This is the ESV version, I Kings:6
19 The inner sanctuary he prepared in the innermost part of the house, to set there the ark of the covenant of the Lord. 20 The inner sanctuary [6] was twenty cubits long, twenty cubits wide, and twenty cubits high, and he overlaid it with pure gold. He also overlaid [7] an altar of cedar. 21 And Solomon overlaid the inside of the house with pure gold, and he drew chains of gold across, in front of the inner sanctuary, and overlaid it with gold. 22 And he overlaid the whole house with gold, until all the house was finished. Also the whole altar that belonged to the inner sanctuary he overlaid with gold. 23 In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. 24 Five cubits was the length of one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the length of the other wing of the cherub; it was ten cubits from the tip of one wing to the tip of the other. 25 The other cherub also measured ten cubits; both cherubim had the same measure and the same form. 26 The height of one cherub was ten cubits, and so was that of the other cherub. 27 He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the house. And the wings of the cherubim were spread out so that a wing of one touched the one wall, and a wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; their other wings touched each other in the middle of the house. 28 And he overlaid the cherubim with gold.

My reply

Since I think the cherubim represent planets, spheres, let's just think of the cherubim as two helium-filled balloons. The room is 20 x 20 x 20 high. Each balloon is 10 x 10 x 10 high. Eight balloons would fit in the whole space, four in the top and four in the bottom. Therefore two helium-filled balloons would float in the 20 x 20 x 10 top half of the room easily, leaving room for the Ark below them. The lower half of the room would be 20 x 20 x 10 high.

The Ark represents the dwelling place of the Lord. II Sam. 6:2 says, "the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that DWELLETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS." The YHVH of hosts is the Redeemer, Christ. He is both the first, YHVH King of Israel, and YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6). I think Saturn is Heaven, where Christ dwells between two other cherubim, Jupiter and Uranus.

I Chron. 13:6 says, "David went up, and all Israel, to Baalah, that is, to Kirjathjearim, which belonged to Judah, to bring up thence the ark of God the LORD, that DWELLETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, whose name is called on it."

Psa. 80:1 says, "O Shepherd of Israel (Christ), thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that DWELLEST BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, shine forth."

II Kings 19:15 says, "O LORD God of Israel, which DWELLEST BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth."

Psa. 99:1 says, "The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he SITTETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS; let the earth be moved." The worldwide earthquake will strike on the first day of Christ's millennial reign.

Isa. 37:16 says, "O LORD of hosts, God of Israel (i.e., the pre-incarnate Christ), that DWELLEST BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth" (John 1:3; Heb. 1:2). Agape

Her reply

Thank you Marilyn, If the Lord tarries, may you live to be 110!

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