Pro and Con 1093

Posted 1-30-04

Incoming email, RE: The Israeli "fence"

I continue to enjoy your web page for the occasional provocative thoughts I find there. I should value your opinion of the following "thought."

As all know, "walls" have not been effective defences for many centuries, and there are very few remnants of "walls" to be found on the face of the earth at this time. And even when found, they hardly stand as a reasonable defensive device.

Yet, in Eze. 38, verse ll especially, Ezekiel spoke of that future time that most Bible scolars consider the "end time", when Prince Gog would go up to a "land of unwalled villages" at a time when there would be no such thing! Then, behold!, along comes Israel who is building a WALL to protect themselves, supposedly, from terrorist suicide bombers.

Provacative thought: Is this God's message to our generation that we are approaching the "time of the end?" Brotherly yours in His service

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

It is interesting. Israel will take down her new wall, but Babylon will keep her wall, probably because it was there in ancient times. Jer. 51:44 says, "I will punish Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up (i.e., Satan): and the nations (probably the UN) shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall."

We have many signs that we are approaching the time of the end. Almost every day's news shows it. The Church of England is discussing whether or not they will accept the Pope. Maybe that will follow on the heels of the Rapture. The UN is investigating security for their move back to Baghdad. I keep wondering if they will decide that security will be better at Babylon. I expect them to build their headquarters there.

Tonight, I saw a neat TV program about Israel. They have more migratory birds in their sky than any other nation in the world.... Agape

Incoming email, Re: ANGELS

I believe you would be someone to be able to give some insight on this matter.Thanks for your hard work in bringing the scriptures to light and in such a humble way.Hope the Lord keeps you well till He comes again.

Can anyone expound on this? satan is deemed a he (male), is this a translation thing? As far as I know, the angels are creatures that are created by God in fiat and have always, since then, been as they are and have no need of sex because they don't reproduce. So, why then, are they denoted by gender.Dosen't that presuppose that there must be female angels and isn't that a deceived catholic falsehood? Apon reviewing this post, it occurred to me to mention I do not believe he is still creating them.

My reply

I don't think God is still creating angels, either. There is a mystery about angels. I have questions too. In Scripture, mankind is told what he needs to know. We are given bits and pieces of other information. We may not be able to piece together the whole story about the angels, but let's look at some of the clues and see what we can figure out. I'm mainly trying to understand the history of Satan and his wicked angels.

There are good angels too. They rejoice when each sinner is saved (Luke 15:10). Hebrews 1:14 says, "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?" Since angel means messenger, the good angels carry out God's wishes. Psa.103:20 says, "Bless the Lord, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!" I think the wicked angels try to thwart God's wishes. They will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth Mid-Trib.

I think the angels are called sons of God, because they were individually created. In Mary's genealogy in Luke 3, it ends with "Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD." Adam was individually created. The first Adam was called "the son of God," and the second Adam, Jesus, was the Son of God.

Since Satan was the serpent in the Garden of Eden, angels were created before Adam's day and tested to see if they would obey God. Job 38:1-7 shows that they were present when the Earth was created. It says, "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy?

We will become sons of God by adoption. John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." Rom 8:14 says, "as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Rom 8:19 says, "the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God."

Phil 2:15 says, "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world." 1John 3:1,2 says, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." Gal 3:26 says, "For ye are all the SONS OF GOD by faith in Christ Jesus.

In Luke 20:34-36, Jesus said, "The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

Job is thought to have been written before Genesis. Job 1:6-8 says, "Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves (in Heaven) before the LORD, and SATAN came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the EARTH, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

Job 2:1-3 says, "AGAIN there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the EARTH, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

Dan 4:13 shows that angels are called watchers. It says, "I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven."

To me, these verses lend support to the idea that the angels were tested, judged and sentenced before Adam was created. Satan could have appealed the case, saying something like "How can a good God consign his creatures to prison?" God may have created man to prove to Satan that He is perfectly just in consigning the fallen angels to prison if man, a smaller, weaker creature that can't see God, can still obey Him, God would be proved just in sentencing the angels, who could see God, to prison. Why else would the Lord have mentioned Job to Satan? Why else would Satan be roaming the Earth watching mankind and reporting back to God? Why else would Satan be discussing Job with God?

Man is a little lower than the angels (Psa 8:5). Heb 2:7 says, "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels.

Satan accuses believers before God. Rev 12:10 says, "I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

2Peter 2:4 says, "God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto JUDGMENT."

Jude 6 and 7 are parallels. Verse 6 is talking about "the angels which kept not their FIRST ESTATE, but left their own habitation (probably on the planet Rahab, now the Asteroid Belt), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto THE JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY.

Verse 7 is about a similar situation among mankind. It says, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

This parallel helps us interpret Gen. 6:2-4. It says, "the SONS OF GOD saw the DAUGHTERS OF MEN that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the SONS OF GOD came in unto the DAUGHTERS OF MEN, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

The men of Sodom went after strange flesh. In Gen. 6:4, the angels also went after strange flesh, probably hoping to fill the world with hybrid creatures, so Jesus' human body could not be pure man.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass (on Earth), and to stand before the Son of man" (in Heaven). Luke 20:35 says, "But they which shall be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO OBTAIN THAT WORLD (Heaven), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage."

As for the angels, I don't think they are referred to as anything but masculine in the Bible. Therefore, I don't think there are female angels. As far as I can tell, each angel was created, so that wouldn't have anything to do with translation.

The Lord can send his angels to do his bidding. However, the appearances of THE ANGEL OF THE LORD in the Old Testament were the Pre-incarnate Christ. John 1:18 says, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Agape

Incoming email, Re: 2 questions for you

The first one is about who remains after the 2nd rapture. It is my understanding that when Christ returns He will separate the sheep from the goats and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire. But if all the believers are already raptured and all the unbelievers cast into the lake of fire, who is left then to repopulate the earth during the millenium? My other question is this: If Satan knows scripture and he knows what the Bible says about his demise, why is he bothering with all of this? I know this seems to be a silly question but I've been wondering about it for some time. I thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I love your web site! I have been learning so much! Thanks

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you like my web site.

> > who remains after the 2nd rapture

As I see it, there will be 7 Jewish months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, which will be on the same day as the Judgment Seat of Christ and God's Wrath, and the Judgment of the Nations, which is after the Second Advent. People left alive after God's Wrath hits Earth will have a chance to accept Christ during that 7-month interval.

Besides that, all Israel is to be saved in a day, on the Day of God's Wrath. Isa. 66:8 says, "Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."

> > who is left then to repopulate the earth during the millenium?

Besides those saved during the 7 months, the resurrected Israelites will be given a chance to return to Earth. Dan. 12:13 says that Daniel will stand in his lot at the end of the 1335 days.

Some will choose to live in Heaven instead. Heb. 11 names Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara. Then verses 15 and 16 say, "And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."

The "sheep" will live on into the Millennium too.

> > If Satan knows scripture and he knows what the Bible says about his demise, why is he bothering with all of this?

He is hoping that somehow, he can win, but the hope of him is in vain (Job 41:9). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Question about Jesus

Marilyn, was Jesus created by God? I always thought and was taught that Jesus always was. That He had no beginning or no end. A friend is trying to tell me that because Jesus was Gods only begotten Son, He is Gods creation. Is this true? Thank you

My reply

No. Your friend seems to be spouting Jehovah's Witness doctrine. Don't fall for it. They are classed as a cult because they don't believe the right things about the Lord Jesus Christ. We can be wrong about other things and make it to Heaven, but we need to believe the right things about the Lord Jesus Christ to make it to Heaven.

The Greek word monogenes, translated "only begotten," means only born or sole born. It has to do with the human body of Jesus. The man Jesus is one of a kind. He is both God and man. Monogenes is translated "only child" in Luke 9:38, It says, "behold, a man of the company cried out, saying, Master, I beseech thee, look upon my son: for he is mine ONLY CHILD." The human body of Jesus was the seed of the woman (Gen. 3:15).

Christ has two complete natures, that of God and that of man. The pre-incarnate Christ has existed from eternity. The incarnate Son of God came into existence at a specific time in history.

Isa. 9:6 explains, "For unto us a child is BORN (his human body, with his human nature, inherited from his mother), unto us a son is GIVEN (his deity, given him by his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER , The Prince of Peace."

In John 1:1-3, the Pre-incarnate Christ is God. He existed from eternity, BEFORE anything was created. Therefore, he himself was not created. John said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Jehovah's Witnesses that came to my door told me that The Emphatic Diaglott said that the Logos was "a god." I went to BIOLA's library (La Mirada, CA campus) to see what the Emphatic Diaglott, by Wilson, really said. Under the Greek words is "and a god was the word." In the translation on the right, Wilson said, "and the Logos was God," showing that he understood what was really being stated. In Green's Interlinear, the Greek says, "kai Theos en o Logos. Under it says, "and God was the Word." Green translated it as "and the Word was God." There is no good reason to translate Theos as "a god." Even Wilson didn't in his translation into English.

Isa 43:1,10-12 says, "thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel...Ye (Israelites) are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHVH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he (both YHVH king of Israel and YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer [Christ], Isa. 44:6): BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God." The LORD didn't say that he was "a" God, he said, "I am God." There is no other.

Isa. 54:5 says, "thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called." Christ is "The God," not a god.

In 5 BC, the pre-incarnate Christ was placed in a human body. Then he was both the pre-incarnate Christ and the incarnate Christ. John 1:14 says, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten (monogenes, only born) of the Father,) full of grace and truth." As God, Christ was not born, he was "given" (Isa. 9:6). As man, he was the only born son of the Father.

The verses about the only begotten Son do not show that Christ is not eternal. They refer specifically to the incarnation, when God became a human. The pre-incarnate Christ has existed from eternity, but the incarnate Son of God came into existence at a specific time in history. II Cor. 5:19 explains in simple terms. It says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." God, the eternal, was in Jesus' human body.

In John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE Abraham was, I am." Joh 17:5, says, "now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE the world was."

Joh 10:30 says, "I and my Father are one."

Joh 14:7-11 says, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

John 8:23-29 says, "he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER. Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone."

1Cor 15:47 says, "The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man (Jesus Christ) is the LORD FROM HEAVEN."

Col. 1:17 says, "he is BEFORE all things, and by him all things consist."

Heb 1:1-6 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (en, in) his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM." That includes Michael.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". The Son and the Father are one. John 10:30 says, "I and my father are one." The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ. The three are one. Rom 8:9 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Saturn

Marilyn, I read your reports and 5 Doves daily and am very impressed with your knowledge of scripture, interpretation, the sky, etc. Astronomy is a complete mystery to me and I admit my eyes sometimes glaze over when I read detailed descriptions of what it all means; however, I do continue to read your analysis of the heavenlies with interest. I figure someday if I keep reading it, it will all make sense.:-)

Today on 5 Doves I went the following excerpt from Calvin Montgomery:

"Jupiter also stands for God, and often for the blessing that God gives........and Saturn is just about the complete opposite of Jupiter. .....and (he, Saturn) is the planet most often associated with death." Therefore...did the following VERY RARE heavenly event OF THE BLUE MOON "EATING" / OCCULTING SATURN (Satan) signal the JUDGMENT OF SATAN as told in Rev. 12: "

This is not the first time he has equated Saturn with evil. The first time I read that Saturn was equated with Satan, I wrote 5 Doves for an explanation of how you two could be so opposite on this subject of Saturn, but the question was never posted. Now today he says it again. The discrepancy between your saying Saturn is heaven is just too great for me to let go.

The question is: Why do you think Saturn is Heaven. If you know why Calvin sees it as Satan, an explanation would be helpful.

Thank you much. God bless you for your diligent Bible Study.

My reply

The article you referred to is:
Calvin W. Montgomery (20 Jan 2004)
"Dr. Eby's death and the last Blue Moon"

Calvin got the information you quoted from an article he found on the Internet. He gave the URL. Here is what Calvin wrote:
From the following URL...
"Jupiter also stands for God, and often for the blessing that God gives........and Saturn is just about the complete opposite of Jupiter. .....and (he, Saturn) is the planet most often associated with death." Therefore...did the following VERY RARE heavenly event OF THE BLUE MOON "EATING" / OCCULTING SATURN (Satan) signal the JUDGMENT OF SATAN as told in Rev. 12...

I went to that URL, and clicked on "Meanings of the Planets."

I copied some of what that author said below, so you can see that Bassenco is delving into astrology, which is forbidden in the Bible. Astronomy, a study of the heavenly bodies is ok, but not astrology. In my head, astrology is classed with fortune-telling. I want nothing to do with it. Satan has twisted the truth to obscure the real story told by the original Zodiac that was inspired by God. The seed of the virgin (Virgo) will become the Lion of the tribe of Judah (Leo).

God named the stars. Psa. 147:4 says, "He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names." Job 9:8,9 speaks of God, "Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south." Job 38:31 says, "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?" Amos 5:8 says, "Seek him that maketh the seven stars (the Pleiades) and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name."

Josephus said that Adam and Seth drew the Zodiac (Ant. I. II. 3). That original Zodiac is now called the gospel in the stars. The original drawing must have been inspired by God. It was known to every ancient nation. It tells the story of Jesus over and over, from Virgo's seed to Leo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. I think it was God's picture book to teach man about the coming Saviour before the Bible was written.

Below is a quote from Bassenco's "Star of Bethlehem." Emphasis is mine.
...No doubt, the wise men knew that the heavens were heralding a great event between God and man. (As "outer" planets, Jupiter and Saturn both have to do with interactions between God and man. Saturn usually indicates judgement and justice, and Jupiter indicates blessing and prosperity.)...

Jupiter is the scepter of the king. In ASTROLOGY, except for rare circumstances that have to do with exceedingly arrogant people, Jupiter is the scepter of favor extended to those favored by God. He is called "the great benefic." Jupiter rules royalty, the court system, jurisprudence, and anything that has to do with "the scepter". Jupiter rules Sagittarius and---in the days of Israel---Jupiter ruled Pisces.

The other regal attendant is SATURN, and Saturn is just about the complete opposite of Jupiter. Great rings bind him, and he indicates restriction, the Law, constraint, anything held in chains, ropes, or bands, and he is the planet most often associated with death. When Saturn is placed prominently IN THE NATAL CHART, it can indicate an early or a tragic death. In Israel's reckoning, Saturn represented the "Lawgiver." It was the planet that indicated that judgement for sins was imminent. Saturn is the ruler of Capricorn, and in ancient Israel, Saturn also ruled Aquarius.

If you look at the ecliptic as a great circle or a great table, then Leo and Cancer are seated next to each other, and coming around them are their attendants, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn on one side, and Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn on the other. So Leo and Cancer are a king and queen surrounded by their attendants at a great round table.

I don't believe that at all. Saturn is the slowest moving of all the planets. This may be why in Satan's counterfeit religion, the pagan god Saturn was thought of as father time, who carried a sickle. People that equate Satan with Saturn probably think they are related, because they start out the same in English. In Hebrew, that fails to hold true. Saturn is Shabbatai (the Sabbatic) the 7th planet, related to Shabbat (Sabbath), the 7th day of the week. Saturn is literally marked with 7 rainbow-like rings made up of ice crystals. It is the only planet in our Solar System that is marked by 7 rings.

Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch (Jesus Christ). For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven (sheba) eyes (orbs, rings)."

To tie Saturn in with Christ, who was the Angel (meaning messenger) of the Lord in the Old Testament, Rev. 10:1-3 says, "I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud (like the Shekinah glory): and A RAINBOW WAS UPON HIS HEAD, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book (the Title Deed of the Earth) open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth (he is the Lion of the tribe of Judah): and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices."

Right after the Pre-Trib Rapture, "a throne was set in Heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (the first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (the last stone in the breastplate): and there was A RAINBOW ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE, in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's stone) (Rev. 4:2,3).

Jesus Christ is the first and the last. In Rev. 1:8, he said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the ALMIGHTY." He is both the Lion of the tribe of Judah and the Lamb of God, both the YHVH King of Israel and the YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6).

In Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that the 7 lamps in the temple candlestick represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Ant. III. VI. 7). In Wars of the Jews, he said, "Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets; for so many there were springing out of the candlestick. Now, the twelve loaves that were upon the table signified the circle of the zodiac and the year" (Wars. V. V. 5).

Paul was caught up to Paradise in the third heaven (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter and (3) Saturn (II Cor. 12:2). In Eze. 1:27, the throne is amber from the equator upward and amber from the equator downward. Saturn is the amber planet. Eze. 1:26 says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness (symbolic language) of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it."

Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. I think Christ's throne is on Saturn, the planet marked by 7 rings.
Ex. 24:10 says that at Sinai, "they saw the God of Israel (i.e., the pre-incarnate Christ): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone (representing Saturn), and as it were (symbolic language) the body of heaven (i.e., the heavenly body) in his clearness." Agape

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