Pro and Con 1109

Posted 3-22-04

Incoming email, Re: Nitty gritty

Bill has another question. This one I can't answer.
To: Bill, From: Ralph
For some reason [and I honestly don't know why yet] the King James and other Bible translators wrote all the "LORD" translations that referred to Jehovah and JEHOVAH in the Old Testament as "Lord" in the New Testament It would have immediately identified Jesus Christ as LORD, or JEHOVAH, one of the names of God in the Old Testament! That would have destroyed the cult called Jehovah's Witnesses right off the bat!

Nowadays, people don't know that, and when they hear that Jesus Christ is "Lord," they go, "Ho, Hum," --because that does not mean a name of God in modern English. It's like an effete English "lord," now. ---Like "Lord Byron." Nothing to do with "God!"

Jehovah in the Old Testament Hebrew corresponds to "Lord" in the King James New Testament, which is the Greek word, "kurios." "Kurios" is "Jehovah," and the "Lord" of the New Testament is the "LORD" of the Old Testament.

So, are you ready for this? John 20:24 says, "But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25) The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side [where the spear entered him to make sure he was dead], I will not believe. 26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord [he said "kurios" which is the same as LORD, or JEHOVAH] and my God [which is "theos" in Greek, but it is the same as "Elohim" in Hebrew,] So Thomas was calling Jesus, "My Jehovah, and my Elohim!" And Jesus didn't rebuke him either. On the contrary, He said to Thomas, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." [Yay! That's us Christians!]

Jesus is the Lord God, [the kurios-theos of the New Testament] and at the same time, the [Jehovah-Elohim of the Old Testament].

Even in the Old Testament, it says, "And God [Elohim] spake unto Moses and said unto him, I am the LORD [Jehovah]" Exodus 6:2 and 3. So, Elohim and Jehovah are only One God in the Old Testament. And with Jesus, who is Jehovah-Elohim, there is STILL only one God. That is why Christianity is called, like Judaism and Islam, a monotheistic religion.

No man has ever seen God the Father, so when God the Son appears and talks to people in the Bible, it is as the express "image of the invisible God." [Colossians 1:15] "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father," Jesus said. [John 14:9]

So, Bill, I wish they HAD written the New Testament with Jesus referred to as "LORD" in BLOCK LETTERS, or {Jehovah]. It would have shown Him to be God a lot sooner. Another thing that would have helped and would have stopped a lot of false cults would have been the GREAT Bible Concordances that have come out only since the 1960's! It would also have helped a great deal if they had translated "theos" as "Elohim!" Then everyone would have seen that Jesus was JEHOVAH-Elohim, the LORD-GOD right from the get go. Ralph
From: Bill, To: Ralph
Then it has to be LORD, not Lord? -

My reply

Both LORD and Lord are applied to Yeshua, but Yeshua is YHWH. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19, KJV).

Have you seen the Hebraic-Roots Version "New Testament" (HRV), by James S. Trimm? I think you'll like it. The names of God are preserved. The truth is easy to understand.

James 5:7 says, "be patient until THE COMING OF YHWH, as the husbandman who waits for the precious fruit of his ground and is patient for them until he receives the early and latter rain. Thus also be patient and establish your hearts, for THE COMING OF OUR ADON draws nigh."

1 Peter 1:3 says, "Blessed be Eloah, the Father of our ADON YESHUA THE MESSIAH; who by his abundant compassion has begotten us anew by the resurrection of YESHUA THE MESSIAH, to the hope of life."

1 Peter 3:15 says, "sanctify YHWH, THE MESSIAH, in your hearts and be ready to make a defense to all who ask you a word concerning the hope of your faith, with meekness and fear."

Romans 14:11 says, "As it is written, I live, says YHWH. Every knee will bow to me and every tongue will confess me."

Phil. 2:5-11 says. "Yeshua the Messiah...Who as he was in the likeness of Eloah did not consider it presumptuous to be equal of Eloah? But he emptied his nefesh (soul), and took on the likeness of a servant, and was in the likeness of the sons of men and was found in fashion like a son of man. And he humbled his nefesh and became obedient unto death, even the death of the gallows. Because of this, Eloah also highly exalted him, and gave him a NAME WHICH IS GREATER THAN ALL NAMES, That at the name of YESHUA every knee will bow that is in heaven and on earth and that is under the earth, And every tongue will confess that YESHUA THE MESSIAH IS YHWH, to the glory of Eloah his Father."

Does that put a smile on your face? How plain can it be?

I Cor.. 15:47 says, "The first son of man was dust that was from the earth. THE SECOND MAN WAS YHWH FROM HEAVEN."

I wish I had had the HRV back in 1960, but it came out in 2001.

Here is I Cor. 12:3: "there is no one who speaks by the spirit of Eloah and says that Yeshua is accursed. And neither is a man able to say that YHWH IS YESHUA except by the Ruach HaKodesh" (Holy Spirit).

I Cor. 8:6 says, "to us ourselves, [there] is one Eloah, the father, from whom [are] all [things] and by whom we are, and ONE YHWH, YESHUA THE MESSIAH; by his hand [are] all [things] and by his hand we are also."

In Mt. 3:3, John the Baptist said, "A voice crying, 'In the wilderness Prepare you the way of YHWH, make straight in the desert, a path for our Elohim."

In John 1:23, John the Baptist said, "I am a voice that cries in the wilderness, Make smooth the way of YHWH."

John 1:18 says, "Man has not ever seen Eloah. The only begotten Eloah, that one who is in the bosom of his father, has declared him."

In Mark 5:19,20, YESHUA "said to him, Go to your house to your people and tell them WHAT YHWH DID FOR YOU and how he had compassion on you. And he went and began proclaiming in the ten towns WHAT YESHUA HAD DONE FOR HIM, and all were amazed."

His reply, Re: Nitty gritty

Thanks a million for those great Scriptures. I really would like to get that book now!

One thing I noticed is that in the quote of Mat 3:3 the HR added the last part when he was quoting from Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." It doesn't really say all that in Mt. 3:3.But we DO know it says that in Isaiah 40:3.

Another thing that I thought was really enlightening was the word, "Salvation," in Youngs Concordance... Sixty-three times, from Genesis to Habakkuk, it is the word "yeshuah" [!!!!!!!]

Since the final "h" is silent, this must have "freaked out" the Jews when little Jesus was named "Yeshua" ["Salvation"!!!!!]

You have all these Scriptures: ---"Jehovah is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation [yeshuah]: He is my Elohim, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's Elohim, and I will exalt him." [Exodus 15:2]

Psalm 14:7 "O that the salvation [yeshuah] of Israel were come out of Zion! when Jehovah bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice and Israel shall be glad."

Psalm 62 1,2: "Truly my soul waiteth upon Elohim: from him cometh my yeshuah [salvation] 2) He only is my rock and my yeshuah [salvation]; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved."

Psalm 68:19 "Blessed be Jehovah, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the Elohim of our "yeshuah" [Jesus, "Yeshua" or "salvation"]

Psalm 69:29 "But I am poor and sorrowful: let thy salvation ["yeshuah," "Yeshua," Jesus] set me up on heigh. [I believe this is referring to the future Rapture--if you read the context of this whole Psalm]

Psalm 78:22 "Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his "yeshuah:" [Yeshua, Jesus!]

Psalm 88:1 "O LORD God [Jehovah-Elohim] of my salvation..." {yeshuah]

Psalm 91:16 "With long life [would you believe 'eternal life?"] will I satisfy him, and shew him my "yeshuah." [to know the true Jesus is "salvation'--Eternal Life, John 17:3: "AND THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT."

Psalm 116:12,13 "What shall I render unto Jehovah for all his benefits toward me? 13) I will take the cup of "yeshuah" and call upon the name of Jehovah."

Psalm 118:14 "The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my "yeshuah."[My Jesus!]

Psalm 118;15 "The voice of rejoicing and salvation ["yeshuah"] is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth vailiantly.

Isaih 12:2 "Behold, Elohim is my yeshuah [Jesus]; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song, he also is become my yeshuah! [salvation, or Jesus!] Wow, Jesus is Jehovah and Elohim!

Isaiah 25:9 "And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our Elohim; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is JEHOVAH; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation [yeshuah, Yeshua, Jesus!] Wow!

And Is 49:6 Jehovah says, "...I will ALSO give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my "yeshuah" [salvation] unto the end of the earth. [slight hint of universal salvation reminiscent of Romans 9-15!]

Isaiah 52:10 "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation [yeshuah] of our God. ["all the ends of the earth?" THAT'S EVERYBODY]

Micah 7:7-10 "Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the Elohim of my "yeshuah;" my Elohim will hear me. 8) Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me. 9) I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against him [I believe these are the Jews waiting in the "prison world" of 1 Pet 3:18,19 and 4:6] until he plead my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness." [as whe Jesus "took captivity captive," of took thhose in the "prison world" to either heaven or Paradise. {As in Ezekiel 37:11: "Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12) Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13) And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves." 14) And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live..."

Notice, these are all Jews who died without professing Christ! [Romans 11:26, "All Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob"] {free will? Free agency?]

God explains the reason we Gentiles believe is because He blinded the Jews to save the Gentiles: "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness...15) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" [Romans 11:13-15]

Is God "working all things --even our salvation--after the counsel of his own will," [Eph 1:11] or did He leave everything to our free will and free agency?

But I digress! To sum it all up:
I find it amazing that the word for Salvation in the Old Testament is the same word for Jesus in the New Testament, except for the final, silent "h"!!! ["yeshuah" is Yeshua!] Jesus was called the "Salvation of the LORD, and also the Salvation of God." And Jesus is Jehovah and is Elohim! Wow, what a God! Now THAT'S a Trinity!

Agape is God's UNCONDITIONAL Love. But just because He will save us all (in future "aions") and love us all unconditionally forever does not mean He is against spanking [punishment] His children!

Proverbs 23:13 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. 14) Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Life is a lot better if you read His Rule book. Nobody gets away with nuttin' --- If they don't get it here, they will in succeeding "aions." Poor Muslims! {See Ez 32:26,27:

"...though they caused their TERROR in the land of the living. 27) And ..are gone down to hell with their weapons of war...their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the TERROR of the mighty in the land of the living And verse 18 "...cast them down, even her [Egypt] and the daughters of the famous nations [all Islamic terrorist-sponsers], unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down to the pit."

Could happen soon. Thanks again

My reply

Thanks for your list too. I started to look up the verses in Young's that used "yesha." I had Isa. 62:11 underlined in red. I looked it up in the LXX. It is a good one....It says, "behold, the Lord (YHWH) has proclaimed to the end of the earth, say ye to the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy SAVIOUR (yesha) has come to thee, having HIS reward and HIS work before HIS face." Agape

His reply, Re: Nitty gritty

That is great! Where did you get a copy of the Septuagint? I would really like a copy!

I would like to thank you for helping me understand how much Jesus really is God... I thought I understood this before, but your writings helped me to have a greater understanding that Jesus is Jehovah AND Elohim--and all the other names for God in the Bible! I really love those verses that show a Trinity. One of the most amazing verses in the Bible, I think, is Phil 2:7-11: "But [Jesus] made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is ABOVE EVERY NAME: [That's above even "Elohim and Jehovah!"] 10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Look at the great light this sheds on Jesus being God [Elohim] and the LORD [Jehovah] in the Old Testament: Isaiah 45: 21:

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD [JEHOVAH]? and there is no God [Elohim] else beside me; a just God [Elohim] and a Saviour [Jesus is the Saviour, right?]; there is none beside me. 22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God {Elohim], and there is none else. 23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That UNTO ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL SWEAR. [This is the ONLY Jehovah Elohim speaking, and saying the same thing Jesus says in Phil 2:7-11] 24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25) In the LORD shall ALL the seed of Israel be justified.... [That's "ALL Israel shall be saved" again, as in Romans 11:26, and the "dry bones" brought back to life being the 'Whole House of Israel,' as in Ezekiel 37:1-14] This is Jesus, the Saviour, speaking as Jehovah and Elohim, and saying there is NO OTHER GOD! NO OTHER ELOHIM! Boy are the J W's wrong!!

To know this fact means our "Eternal Life:" [John 17:3]

Jesus put it this way in Mark 12:29,30: "And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: [Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah]: 30) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God [Jehovah,thy Elohim] with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." Muslims especially accuse us Christians of teaching "polytheism," and Allah commands them to kill all polytheists. It is useless to argue with them on this. They will never understand the Trinity, and to know who Jesus Christ is means "Eternal Life." No Muslim has "eternal life!" [John 17:3]

So, it is kind of important to know who God is, right? So you can love Him instead of some vague, "Creature" of our imagination! As Jesus, He [God--Elohim] created ALL things [Col 1:16 and John 1:1-14] Jesus is Elohim, then, even of Genesis, 1:1 "In the beginning, God created..."

About that Isaiah 9:6 verse, where Jesus is spoken of [even in Handel's Messiah]; "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders [when He reigns during the millennium for a thousand years]: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." According to Lockyer, in his book, ALL THE DIVINE NAMES AND TITLES IN THE BIBLE, page 149 A, "The Septuagint and the Vulgate versions translate The KJV's version of this [the Everlasting Father] as "Father of the age to come." There is still no confusion of the Persons of Father and Son--even of the One God. What a God!

My reply

> > I would like to thank you for helping me understand how much Jesus really is God

Thank you! You made my day.

In your previous e-mail, you said that you would really like to get the Hebraic-Roots Version "New Testament," by James S. Trimm.

He is a Messianic Jew, friend of Dr. James Tabor, that is translating the Bible for the Original Bible Project. If I remember right, Trimm wrote an article I liked a lot--about the Thursday Crucifixion. The HRV is published by the Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism. Internet addresses given in the book are: -
You can also try:

> > Where did you get a copy of the Septuagint? I would really like a copy!

I got it at the Christian Discount Book Store, Norwalk, CA. It is "The Septuagint version: Greek and English, translated by Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton, published by Zondervan (Regency Reference Library).

I now have "Brenton" from e-Sword (FREE), but tried to find it in the recent list of Bibles with no success. Maybe it comes with the original Download of the e-Sword application. The KJV and the KJV+ (linked with Strong's) come with it. If you use Windows 95 or better, you can DL e-Sword v 7.1.0 free from:

After you find out what is included in the original DL, you can read through the list of other Bibles you can DL free. All you have to do to use them is run them (dbl click them). They should install in the Program Files\e-Sword folder. If not, place them there yourself.

Beware of using up too much memory on Bibles you seldom use. I can only run Outlook Express e-mail program and e-Sword at the same time. If I open my CoffeCup HTML editor too, I run out of system resources and have to restart. Of course, my e-mail program has lots of old incoming e-mails in it. I never get caught up. Some of them are Web pages I mail to myself to read later too. The reason I don't just copy them to disk is I lose the URL that way. When I mail them to myself, I can copy and paste the URL in on the top line of the e-mail document. If I copy it to disk later, it has the URL with it.

> > Later incoming e-mail: This is the famous Septuagint, the LXX. Notice in Genesis that instead of the Hebrew Old Testament "Elohim" creating the Heaven and the earth, you have the Greek word "theos" [the "th" is like an upright egg with a horizontal line through the middle]
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There you have to DL each book separately. If you haven't already done that, wait until you check out e-Sword. My Brenton works with e-Sword. I can click "Compare" and see a certain verse in every version I have in the e-Sword folder.

> > Another later incoming e-mail: Here is the Septuagint in English. Notice in Deuteronomy 6:4, that it uses the Greek words "Lord," instead of the Block Letters of LORD, which is "Jehovah." This shows that both "LORD" and "Lord" are "Jehovah" in the Old Testament and in the New Testament! "God" is "theos" here, showing that "Elohim" is "theos" in Greek. This shows that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Jehovah and the Elohim of the Old Testament and the "kurios" and "theos" of the New Testament.
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My hardback Brenton LXX has the Greek and English side by side so I can be sure about that. It says, "Hear, O Israel, The Lord (Kurios) our God (Theos) is one Lord (Kurios)."

My Green's Interlinear also has the Greek and English. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God (Theos) was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself."

In John 1:1 (Green), it says, "...and the Word (Logos) was God (Theos)." Verse 14 says, "And the Word (Logos, i.e., Theos) became flesh and lived among us." Verse 18 says, "No one has seen God (Theos) at any time, the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, He has revealed Him."

In John 8:23,24,27-29 (Green), Jesus said, "You are from beneath. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world. So I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He (i.e., God, Theos), you will die in your sins....They did not know that He spoke to them of the Father. Then Jesus said to them, When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you shall know that I am He. And I do nothing of Myself, but I speak these things, just as the Father taught Me. And He who sent Me is with Me."

> > Boy are the JW's wrong!!

Yes, they believe Jesus is the archangel Michael, a created being, when Jesus actually is God the Creator. My experience with them has been that they seem to turn off their hearing when I try to read them scriptures that prove who Jesus really is. Instead of paying attention, they are thinking of what they are going to say next. I even got a New World Translation, thinking they would pay attention to their own Bible. That didn't work, either. I feel sorry for them.

We can be wrong about other things and make it to Heaven if we are right about Christ, but we can be right about other things and fail to make it to Heaven if we are wrong about Christ.

By dying for our sins, he took sin out of the way as an issue in salvation. Now, it is "What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?" (Mt. 22:42, KJV).

Pro 30:4 (KJV) says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name (YHWH), and what is his son's name (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer; Yeshua HaMashiach, the Lord Jesus Christ), if thou canst tell?"

Isa. 44:6 (KJV) says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

In Rev. 22:13 (KJV), Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first (LORD of the Old Testament) AND the last" (Lord of the New Testament). We have a wonderful Saviour. Agape

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How are you and many thanks for your inspirational website

Re: The Times Of The Signs... on P&Cs 1105

An interesting observation I have just had, notice 11 Stars rising over the tower, the eleventh (larger, dominating star/pentagram/Satan) ahead of the other ten - an analogy of anything familiar???

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Very interesting I have to say. God bless to you in Jesus name. Regards

My reply

> > notice 11 Stars rising over the tower, the eleventh (larger, dominating star/pentagram/Satan) ahead of the other ten - an analogy of anything familiar?

How about Dan. 7:8? It says, "I considered the (ten) horns, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." "ANOTHER" is the Satan-possessed False Prophet.

Dan. 7:19-27 says, "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast (the Roman Empire), which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron (symbol of Rome), and his nails of brass (symbol of cursing); which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet (i.e., jump to the end times, which the feet of iron and clay of Nebuchadnezzar's dream represent);

And of the ten horns that were in his head (the 6th head of the great red dragon), and of the OTHER (the False Prophet) which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows (because he is Satan-possessed). I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them (Rev. 13:7); Until the Ancient of days (the LORD Jesus Christ) came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High (at the Judgment Seat of Christ); and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth (Rome), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (Ecclesiastical Rome), and shall devour the whole earth (be head of the UN and UR), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces (i.e., divide it into 10 regions). And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise (during the leadership of the 6th head of the great red dragon, the Tribulation Pope): and ANOTHER (the False Prophet) shall rise after them (the 10 kings arise during the first half of the Tribulation); and he (the False Prophet that rules during the second half of the Tribulation) shall be diverse from the first (the 6th head of the great red dragon, the Tribulation Pope, is not Satan possessed, but the 7th head, the False Prophet, will become Satan possessed Mid-Trib), and he (the 7th head, the False Prophet) shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High (the LORD Jesus Christ), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years).

But the judgment shall sit (the Judgment of the Nations will follow Christ's return), and they shall take away his dominion (both Satan's and the False Prophet's), to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon). And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High (Christ), whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

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Ed's eyesight is much worse. He can only read headlines in the paper. He can hardly walk. Otherwise, we're doing ok. Agape

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