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Incoming Email What about James 5:17??
Are we not the bride of Christ?
In the Jewish marriage practices the bride never ever new when the Groom was to come. Even the groom had no idea because after her acceptance of his purposal of marriege he would go away to prepare the bridal chamber which was not complete until his Father said it was finished.
This is the same manner in which we the bride of Christ shall be taken, we will not know when in the night he comes, we are just commanded to have our lamps filled with oil and trimmed to a fine burn.
While it would be nice to think the rapture is hapening next month you are gravely mistaken. Every one has been wrong in the past that would be a good indicator that you should seriously consider. You will destroy the faith of many when they find out that they think they where not good enought to get raptured after your date comes and goes.
Anyway what does all this get done? Should we not live every moment for him and not worry about times and dates. Eccl says thier is a time for everything under the sun why not just live life like that and let the Lord do things as sees fit.
Thank You. Please feel free to reply if you like. i encourage it
My replyJames 5:17 says, "Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months."
This ties in to Rev. 11:6; "These (God's two witnesses, Moses and Elijah) have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." These two will prophesy on Earth during the first 1260 days (Rev. 11:3) of the Tribulation (the Seventieth Week of Daniel, Dan. 9:27).
This is why there is famine on Earth when the third seal is opened in Rev. 6:5,6.
Elijah must come before the millennial Day of the Lord begins. Mal. 4:5 says, "I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."
Some say that the two witnesses prophesy during the last half of the Tribulation, but that part is shortened to 1040 days. In the exact middle of the whole seven years, Satan is cast out of Heaven down to the Earth. He enters into the False Prophet, sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). Moses and Elijah won't worship him and he kills them. After 3 1/2 days, they are resurrected.
> Are we not the bride of Chirst?
The wise virgins with enough oil of the Holy Spirit are the Bride of Christ for they are the ones to go with the Bridegroom when he comes. All others are the rest of the Body of Christ. The Bride is "arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit. righteousnesses) of saints" (Rev. 19:8).
> Even the groom had no idea because after her acceptance of
> his purposal of marriege he would go away to prepare the bridal chamber
> which was not complete until his Father said it was finished.
Maybe so with earthly grooms; not so with Christ. The Father was in him reconciling the world unto himself (II Cor. 5:19). Jesus Christ had two complete natures. Isa. 9:6 says, "For unto us a child is born (his human nature inherited from his mother), unto us a son is given (his deity given by his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Christ is the YHVH of hosts, the creator himself (John 1:3; Heb.1:2). He planned the whole thing before the world began.
Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH the King of Israel), and I am the last (YHVH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."
As man, Jesus knew the month and year, but did not know the day and hour. As God, he knew the whole thing. Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." The word "knoweth" is "oida" in the Greek. It means recognized. On that particular day, no man recognized the day and hour.
It could be known later for Jesus told the churches, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief (just before Armageddon, Rev. 16:15,16, i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3:3). Then, if we do watch, he will not come on us as a thief, and we shall know what hour he will come upon us (the Pre-Trib Rapture)."
> While it would be nice to think the rapture is hapening next month you
> are gravely mistaken. Every one has been wrong in the past that would be
> a good indicator that you should seriously consider.
It is obvious that you never took logic in college. If 1000 are wrong, it does not make the next one wrong.
> You will destroy the faith of many when they find out that they think they where not good
> enought to get raptured after your date comes and goes.
I don't think so. They will realize that they had better wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb and go in the second Rapture.
> Anyway what does all this get done? Should we not live every moment for
> him and not worry about times and dates.
We should, but many don't. Now, it is URGENT. We have to put our minds to getting ready, confessing every known sin and therefore buying our white wedding garments. What I want to be is everyone's wake-up call. What would it matter if we were ready and it didn't happen this Pentecost? We would be filled with the Holy Spirit and earning rewards in Heaven. That's a plus. There are now only 9 years left of the last generation into which to pack all of the end of the age events. The Rapture can't be far off any way you figure it. Luke 13:6-9 shows us that there are four Jewish years, counted by inclusive reckoning, between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation. I think they are 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761, Pentecost to Pentecost (our 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001).
> Eccl says thier is a time for everything under the sun why not just live life like that and
> let the Lord do things as sees fit.
Ecclesiastes is man's reasoning, the way it looks to Solomon.
Paul tells us about the importance of running the race to win the prize of the upward calling of God in Jesus Christ (I Cor. 9:24f says, "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize (i.e., Rapture I, being chosen as the Bride of Christ)? So run, that ye may obtain." Phil 3:14 says, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." I am running the race to win.
Incoming Email You have a very nice and creative web page.
I agree that the second coming of our Lord is an exciting prospect.
However, you may be wrong.
As I understand it, He may come at any moment, including but not limited to the date you have chosen.
The way I understand my Lord's return to claim His Church is that He will come at the Father's direction and that His return is emminent.
If I am right, Praise God!
If you are right about the exact date and time - Praise God!
My prayer is "Even so, Lord Jesus, Come!"
Can you join me in that prayer?
Is it all right with you if He comes tonight instead of on the date you have chosen?
If He is your true LORD, you will ahve to answer me "yes"!
May God bless you in every way. Your Brother in Christ.
My replyYes! It is all right with me if he comes the next second. This coming Pentecost just has a lot more going for it than any other date. The word "imminent" is not in the Bible. It looks like that is a man-made doctrine. Christ made a plan before the world began and he is working that plan.
We only have 9 more years before the last generation ends. All the end-time events have to be packed into those years. According to Luke 13:6-9, in the parable of the barren fig tree, there are four Jewish years, counted by inclusive reckoning, between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation. They are 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761, Pentecost to Pentecost/Feast of Weeks, when the Seventieth Week of Daniel begins. They are our 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be this Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5758 (our May 31, 1998), and that the Seventieth Week of Daniel will start on the Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5761 (our May 28, 2001).
The Tribulation will run 2300 days, by inclusive reckoning, from that Feast of Weeks to the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). From that point, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, it will be 7 Jewish months (Ezek. 39:12) to the Second Advent on Nisan 1 (Ezek 29:17,21), 5768. It has to be a Jewish leap year, so it cannot be slid back or forward a year or two. We have already outlived the other alternatives. There is only one more time this 2300 days between these two feasts takes place before the last 40 years end. Same for a Sunday Pentecost Rapture. We only have one left, May 31, 1998.
Incoming Email Thank you for your speedy response to my inquiry. I really did not expect you to answer so quickly since I saw by your web page counter that your web page has received over 75,000 hits. You must really be receiving a LOT of mail.
You seemed to take offense that I would call into question the premise for your prediction of the rapture. I did not question the reality of any of the strange (supernatural?) occurrances that you claim to have experienced, and I would beg your forgiveness if I gave you that impression. My suggestion that perhaps you might have had a little too much pizza the night before was only meant as a joke, as I have often experienced dreams, visions, and apparitions when I have had a little too much to eat. Indigestion can cause many to experience a so called "vision", and I have no doubt as to their reality, but it does not make a sound basis for biblical exegesis.
You have ignored a crucial passage in setting up your theory, and that is Hebrews Chapters 1 and 2. God says in Chapter 1 vs 1 & 2, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in TIME PAST (emphasis intended) unto the fathers by the prophets," vs 2, "Hath in these LAST DAYS spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
Sorry dear sister, but God is not giving any extra biblical revelation today. Signs, miracles, and wonders were given to the early church to authenticate the fact that God was doing something new and establishing a new covenant with those who would believe in Him, as his basis of dealing with mankind. I am sure you understand the subject of dispensationalism, and it is an established fact that God deals with mankind in a different manner today than that which he dealt with mankind in the past. (The FACT that we are no longer in the garden proves that God does not deal with us always on the same basis, does it not?) The canon of Holy scripture has been completed, and God's program for this age, the "church" age in which we are presently living, is that of love, mercy, grace, and salvation. Until he again chooses to enter history and rapture the church (which I DO believe is the next event on God's prophetic timetable), any exegesis that is not based SOLELY upon his already completed Word, is to be considered unreliable. Indeed even Paul himself said in Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED"
Paul also said, "For we know in part, and we PROPHECY in part." (the canon of scripture had not yet been completed. The prophets and apostles were still on the scene doing "signs miracles, and wonders"), "But when that which is perfect is come, (God's Holy Word for English speaking man in the last days, the King James Version), "then that which in part (prophecying, speaking in tongues, signs, miracles, and wonders) shall be done away." I Corinthians 13. verses 9 & 10.
I have been a born again child of God since trusting Jesus Christ as my own personal Savior since the early 70's. I have never once believed that God was speaking to me through dreams, or through extra Biblical revelation. If He were, what about all those individuals who claim that God is speaking to them?? Do I have to go to Seattle to find out what God has said to you? Then do I have to go to Orlando, Fla. to see what God has said to Benny Hinn? And what about all the other charismatics that claim "God is speaking to ME"?? Then there are those cereal killers who claim that voices (which they attribute to God) are telling them to go in to their workplace and murder all their co-workers (I don't doubt for a minute that they are REALLY hearing voices but is God the source, or does the source have some other supernatual origin?) Sorry, but I don't have the time or money to chase all those who claim supernatural revelation all over the world to see if what they are saying is correct or not.
The conclusion to all this?? -It is that we must trust God's Word, and God's Word alone ("Sola Scriptura!" was the reformers cry!) in all matters of faith and practice, and anything else is not worthy of our time.
I realize you will probably be offended by my position, and what I have had to say, but you must be assured that I only seek God's Glory and to see His Son lifted up. I am forwarding our communication to a few friends who may be sitting on the fence concerning charismatic doctrine, and I hope your reply will be gracious. Keep in mind that often times I have found more correction in rebuke than in compliments. I hope you will keep that in mind as you consider the gentle rebuke of this letter. The Bible says "Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of enemy are deceitful." Proverbs 27:6. There is much that we can agree on as believers, but I just hope you and many visitors to your web page will not have their faith diminished if Jesus does not return by May 31st.
May God Bless you as we wait for His Blessed return.
> You must really be receiving a LOT of mail.
Yes... (Note: A friend checked it for me 5-28. It is now up to 103,980 + 2232 = 105,212. Between 5-18 and 5-28, my Web site got 14,307 hits.)
> Sorry dear sister, but God is not giving any extra biblical revelation today.
Nor did I claim any. The Bible is finished. Period. What the Lord has done is help me understand what is already written.
> "then that which in part (prophecying, speaking
> in tongues, signs, miracles, and wonders) shall be done away."
I don't claim any of these.
> The conclusion to all this?? -It is that we must trust God's Word, and
> God's Word alone
Amen. Search the scriptures and see if these things are so.
> I am forwarding our communication to a few friends who may
> be sitting on the fence concerning charismatic doctrine
What good will that do seeing that I am not a charismatic?
> I just hope you and many visitors to your web page will not have their faith diminished if
> Jesus does not return by May 31st.
Nothing could destroy my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I know who he is, YHVH of hosts, the creator himself. What does it hurt to be ready just in case the Rapture is soon? So what if we have confessed our sins and are filled with the Holy Spirit? We are not only ready just in case the Rapture does take place, we are earning rewards by the good things we do while filled with the Spirit of Christ. Can you find fault with that?
I want to be everyone's wake-up call. Get ready just in case. We don't want Him to come and find us not ready or not watching.
Incoming Email ok you are wrong about the two witness's right off, the bible says it's appointed for man to die once and then the judgment therefore Moses could not me one of the two witness's, but enoch might be the other one with elijah. God is not respector of persons and Moses does not get to die twice.
I sorry if you disagree with you but you will see it will not happen on May 31st. Just like those who thought Oct. 28th was the day. May is not the right time after the fall pattern of feast's. Also the church has not experiances the former and latter rain in one month which ties in with James 5:17, talking about the returning of the Lord.
My reply> Moses does not get to die twice.
How about Lazarus?
> May is not the right time after the fall pattern of feast's
Song of Solomon 2:10 shows that it is spring, when there are green figs and the firstripe grapes.
The feasts of Nisan had to do with the First Advent. The feasts of Tishri have to do with the Millennium. Pentecost belongs to the church.
Here are a couple of incoming emails and my replies. See what you think.
Just a quick note to tell you that I just received my Personal Update from Koinonia House and they had an article about bible codes, both micro and macro, the rapture, the seven feasts of Israel, and Enoch. I thought you might like to check it out. http://www.khouse.org/articles/update/codes9805.html "A provocative possibility it that the feast of weeks may prove predictive of both the birth and removal of the church in God's program."...
Thanks so much for this URL. I printed the article out. Someone had phoned and told me about it. Another was going to FAX it to me, so I am delighted to get a copy right away.
This part is especially interesting to me: "The Feast of Pentecost was also one of only three which were obligatory for all males. Historically, this feast is viewed as commemorating the birth of the nation and the giving of the Law at Mount Sinai." The footnote explains: "10. Exodus 19:11. This is reckoned by the rabbis as follows: The Passover in Egypt was on the 14th of Nisan; the crossing of the Red Sea, 3 days later on the 17th. They are viewed as arriving at Mount Sinai on the 3rd day of the 3rd month, ostensibly on the 3rd of Sivan, 46 days later. Moses is told to prepare for the "3rd day." That would be Sivan 6, which is Pentecost.
Since Pentecost is considered the birth of Israel. This FWD I received may be especially interesting to you:
>>From: "James D. Tabor"
>>Subject: Israel at 50
>>In case you missed it, today's NYTimes story on Israel's Jubilee
>>celebration...celebrated yesterday and today on the Jewish calendar Iyar
>>5/6--but May 14th on Gregorian calendar, and then, coming at the end of
>>this month of May, the "true" Biblical date: May 31st, Sivan 5/6--none
>>other than Shavuot. As I have pointed out various times in 1948 the
>>official Jewish calendar that marked Iyar 5/6 was actually on the
>>"Biblical" calendar Sivan 5/6, a Shabbat--incredibly significant that the
>>State was born on Shavuot--Exo 20 revisited, etc. Anyway, Shabbat Shalom
Dr. Tabor (who is translating the Bible for The Original Bible Project) mentioned that modern Israel was reborn on Shavuot (Pentecost) on this "Biblical" calendar in an earlier email to me too. As I remember, he explained that this calendar is simply figured on when the crescent new moon is sighted; no complicated other rules are used.
Now what interests me so much is all the things that tie together. If Israel was born the first time on Pentecost, and she was reborn in 1948 on Pentecost, then Pentecost does have more than one fulfillment; no doubt about it. Since Israel was resurrected, Pentecost also has to do with resurrection.
I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples (examples, types): and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (lit. ages) are come."
If the first birth of Israel was on Pentecost, and the resurrection of Israel was on Pentecost, doesn't it then follow that since the first birth of the Church was on Pentecost, the resurrection of the Church (the Rapture) will also be on Pentecost?
Since this coming Pentecost is May 31st, it was nice how Chuck Missler's Newsletter article ended: "For those subscribers who don't hold a pre-tribulation view, don't be concerned: we will have mailed our June newsletter before May 31."
Dr. Tabor sent me this email:
> I am sure you have looked at Jeremiah 5:24 before. There we have reference
> to our former and latter rains--and how they come in their proper TIME, but
> also we read: "and he keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest." Of
> course the general context seems to be about God's faithfulness in bringing
> Israel its proper seasons, for prosperity--but the idea of God KEEPING the
> Appointed Shavuot--feast of Weeks, is interesting, is it not. James
My replyI just keep being blessed by this "he keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest." Thank you so much for pointing it out. He kept it in 30 A.D., and He will keep it at the wheat harvest.
> Also the church has not experiances
> the former and latter rain in one month which ties in with James 5:17, talking
> about the returning of the Lord.
The former rain begins Tishri 1 and is the date of Jesus' birth. The latter rain begins Nisan 1 and is the date of the Second Advent (Ezek. 29:17,21).
Hos. 6:3 says of the LORD, "he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." These rains are such definite times in Israel that they are listed on their calendars. See Unger's Bible Dictionary: Calendar. This is because of the Lord's promise in De. 11:14: "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain."
James 5:17 says, "Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain,: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months." He will do it again during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3,6). That is what causes the famine.
Incoming Email Thanks for your email of earlier today. I believe the "two in the field" verse is simply to point out that in all walks of life, some will be taken and some will not. That most people happen to work in the field during the day is simply a fact of that type of work. We certainly may not know the actual day and hour in all parts of the world, but the Bible tells us that we are to know when it is at hand "even at door." To my way of thinking, if someone is "at the door", his visit is imminent. I agree that the "30 - 50" time span argument is very convincing.
My replyThanks for your input.
Incoming Email Just a quick E-mail to say hi! Always like checking out the latest stuff on your website. Sometimes just to see the countdown to the rapture on your mainpage! :-)
I am reading your latest book "Revelations 2000" and have read "End of the Age". Very deep material! Good stuff! But Marilyn, can it really be that close. The Rapture? Seems to good to be true! And what if it doesn't happen in a month? Hmmm... Very exciting times to be alive for sure!
God bless you and yours.
My replyGlad you like my books. The deep stuff is what I asked the Lord to show me. I was exasperated at not finding answers to some burning questions after 7 years of intensive study. I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and said, "Lord! You'll have to show me. I want to know all you want man to know about the Bible, all the deep things, everything."
I say I can't be sure, but in my heart, I feel that it is really going to take place this Pentecost. We only have 9 years of the 40 since the Sign of the End of the Age in which to pack all the end-of-the-age events. It can't be long however you figure it. If it doesn't take place then, I'll just wait patiently until it does. I have been waiting ever since 1968, what's a little more?
Incoming Email Having read your many articles I have only this to say
Prior to the first harvest in ancient Israel there was the selection of the firstfruits. This was in reality a mini-harvest from which Christ the wave sheaf was selected.
Then some 50 days later the early harvest began (pentecost)
Then in the fall the latter harvest began.
If the church of today is the "pentecost harvest", then where are the "firstfruits harvest" of which Christ Himself is the wavesheaf.
While I do not disagree with most of your symbolic interpretations, I think you should take a second look at this.
You may come to the conclusion that the first mini-harvest of the firstfruits did occur 2000 years ago when the "Lord of the Harvest" appeared on the scene.
Remember the prophet said and he quoted God "My word (Christ) will not return to me empty" If Christ came and died and returned to the heavens and left all the faithful patriarchs behind then He would have returned to God empty. This oversight occurs because we fail to see Christ from a different paradigm.
Truth is He did not return to God empty, but carried a large group of saints with Him-- after all He was the "resurrection"
If He was the resurrection--- how could He come to this earth and return and leave all the righteous saints behind?
One more thing --Who are those whom Paul says that God "foreknew, called, justified, and GLORIFIED.
If God says He GLORIFIED them-- then where are they? Do we have glorified people living on the earth!! Or are those Glorified people DEAD? Or if not is GOD lying and they really are not glorified? If they are in heaven as it is clear from the text --then who are those that God says He predestined!!! foreknew, called, justified, and GLORIFIED!!
Are they the group Paul calls" Christ,the firstfruits!!"
The rapture may take place on 31st may 1998, but the firstfruits have already gone on.
The question is who are those who will be raptured?
Some may say "those that are invited to the wedding feast of the Bridegroom" which invitation has gone out for the last 2000 years. This is in reality the first harvest.
It may be an academic argument but it should help to put in perspective the events which will follow the rapture or more properly put the "Resurrection" also called Christ returning FOR His church.
1000 years later Christ will return and another rapture or resurrection will occur ---this time Christ will return WITH His church. This is the latter harvest.
Please give these little matters some thought --they may be very important.
Submitted with love and humility.
Christ was the Firstfruit. "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept" (I Cor. 15:20). When he ascended to the Father on Resurrection Day, the Feast of the Firstfruits, he took the Old Testament saints to Heaven. "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men." (Eph 4:8). They are part of the ones that Jesus will bring with him at the time of the Rapture. They will get their resurrection bodies ahead of us, then we will rise to meet them in the air (I Thess. 4:15-17). "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect" (Heb. 11:40). Twenty-four of them are the 24 elders of Re. 4:4, seen in Heaven after the Rapture, the 12 patriarches and the 12 apostles.
James 1:18 says, "that we should be a KIND of firstfruits of his creatures." At Pentecost, the Bride of Christ is "The FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God" (Ex. 23:19). The Bride goes at the first trump.
Those gathered at Rapture II are the rest of the firstfruits. They are gathered on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007, just before the Wrath of God hits Earth (Dan. 12:1,2). Then it seems that "we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, AND we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put in incorruption, AND this mortal must put on immortality." At that point "Death is swallowed up in victory" (I Cor. 15:52-54).
In Christ "shall all be made alive, But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming" (I Cor. 15:23). As I understand it, he comes for his Bride at the first trump, Rapture I, for the rest of the Body of Christ at the last trump, Rapture II. Then, seven months later (Dan. 39:12), we return with him at the Second Advent. They "that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14). They are also called, and justified, and glorified (Rom. 8:30).
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