Pro and Con 1115

Posted 4-12-04

Incoming email, Re: Aleph Tav & Daniel

From: jgsmith
Here's Daniel and the AT.

The seven thunders attachment is a letter of mine to Five Doves I thought you might find interesting,

Hopefully, I will have my response to you later on today as to why Yavan is West. Always Agape, Jack

My reply, Re: Rapture, May 23, 2004?

Thanks so much for the files. They should keep me busy for awhile. I love it. You encourage me to take a fresh look at things. And it's no big deal if we disagree on some things. There is so much packed here and there, I doubt if any two people agree on everything. If we put our heads together, maybe we can understand more than either of us can separately.

You have been searching for the Aleph-Tau (or modern Alef-Tav) signs a lot longer than me. Do you find that Genesis has more than any other OT book? So far, it seems that way to me.

I found a neat occurrence of the AT sign. It is hooked to the beginning of YHWH in Hosea 2:20 (Green's Interlinear). That sentence says, "And you shall know Jehovah." To me, it means "And you shall know (the first and the last) Jehovah (YHWH)."

Another AT sign is in Hos. 3:1. It follows YHWH. To me, it says, "according to the love of Jehovah (the first and the last [YHWH Yahshua]) toward the sons of Israel."

As if that isn't enough, look at Hos. 3:5. The Alef-Tau sign is again hooked to the beginning of YHWH. The next word is "their God." In context, it says, "the sons of Israel shall return and seek (THE FIRST AND THE LAST [YHWH YAHSHUA]) JEHOVAH THEIR GOD and David their king."

> > Since Iím not aware of John having fulfilled the Word as to "You must prophesy again to many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings," my money is on John being one of the Two Witnesses.

That's a new idea. John, hmmm. In Elijah's day, it didn't rain for 3.5 years. In Moses' day, there were plagues on Earth. Those fit the two witnesses of 11:6 pretty well.

Let's see. Up to Rev. 10, we have been given information from the time when the Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand" (1:3) to just before the wrath of God hits Earth. Then progression stops, and will not pick up again until the 7th trumpet sounds in 11:15.

In between the end of chapter 9 and 11:15, we have a parenthetical portion. John eats the little book with more prophetic information in it. In 10:11, John is told, "Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Chapter 11 starts out at the beginning of the Tribulation AGAIN, as does Chapter 13. The two witnesses are introduced in 11:3 and continue prophesying until they are killed Mid-Trib (11:7), which is also the setting of Rev. 12.

So what does "Thou must prophesy again" mean? The word "again" is Strong's 3825, palin, from pallo, to vibrate (through the idea of osculating repetition), of time, once more.

This fits what we find in chapter 11. John goes back to cover once more the first half of the Tribulation, filling in information not given before. Instead of the view of WORLD events, from the first of the Tribulation (Rev. 6:1) to the coming of the day of God's wrath (6:17), the scene changes to JERUSALEM in Rev. 11. The earthquake of 11:13 (at Jerusalem) is 3.5 days past Mid Trib, and 7000 die. The earthquake of 11:19 is on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. The dead will lay around the earth in that day.

Chapter 12 covers Mid-Trib to the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. Rev. 13 starts over again at the beginning of the Tribulation. Verses 2-10 cover the same time that the two witnesses prophesy in chapter 11. Verses 11-18 cover the same time span as Rev. 12.

Since he immediately began writing again, I'm not convinced that John is one of the two witnesses, but he sure would make a good one, expounding the New Testament while the other witness explained the Old Testament.

However, Moses and Elijah stood talking with Christ at the Transfiguration. In Zech. 4:11-14, the "two olive branches" are the "two anointed ones, that stand by THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH." Rev. 11:4 says, "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before THE GOD OF THE EARTH." We know that the Lord of the whole earth is the God of the earth, YHWH Yahshua. Moses and Elijah stood before him. Maybe Moses will accompany the Church saints to Heaven and Elijah will accompany the Tribulation saints to Heaven.

> > 7 Thunders

Thank you! Thank you! I hadn't thought of this before, but I just searched for "thunder," "thunders" and "thundering." It looks like thunder is only heard at the Pre-Trib Rapture at the beginning of the Tribulation and at the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the end of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation (and not in between them). This would mean that the Pre-Trib Rapture will be right at the beginning of the Tribulation, just before the first seal is broken, rather than even a few days before the Tribulation starts. Sivan 3 would knock out both Ascension Day and Pentecost for the first Rapture.

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (shortened Great Tribulation), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred (the 2300) days; THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED."

If the sanctuary is to be cleansed on the Feast of Trumpets, Thursday, Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), counting back 2300 days lands us on Sivan 3 (Sunday, May 23, 2004). The dates of the two Raptures could be May 23, 2004 and Sept. 9, 2010.

Mark 3:17 says, "James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, THE SONS OF THUNDER." Why did Jesus name these apostles sons of thunder? Is it because the Bride saints will be caught up when it thunders? The "Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God" in I Thess. 4:16. IS THE TRUMP OF GOD THUNDER?

The type was set at Mt. Sinai. There was THUNDER near Pentecost. Ex. 19:1-11 says, "In the third month (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Sivan 1), when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day (Sivan 1) came they into the wilderness of Sinai....And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY (Sivan 1) and TO MORROW (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes (i.e., confess their sins, I John 1:9), And BE READY against the THIRD DAY (Sivan 3, Sunday, May 23, 2004): FOR THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai....AND MOSES WENT UP UNTO GOD."

Oh WOW!!! Sivan 3, 5764 is the first day of the 2300-day Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14) if the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath is Tishri 1, 5771, Sept. 9, 2010. The year 5771 is the next Jewish Leap Year after 5768 (2007/2008). The ending year has to have that 13th month for there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 (Rapture 2 and the Day of God's Wrath) and the following Nisan 1, the Second Advent.

Maybe the two Raptures are on the first and last days of the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14. That would put the two Raptures on the first and last days of the shortened Tribulation--nice bookends.

Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (banner, flag, i.e., the UN flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and WHEN HE BLOWETH A TRUMPET, HEAR YE. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST (Sivan 3 is BEFORE PENTECOST, Sivan 6,7, when the 2 wave loaves of fine wheat flour are waved before the Lord), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs (i.e., with fruit) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (suwr, depart, pluck away, i.e., RAPTURE the Philadelphian wise virgins) AND cut down the branches (i.e., cut off the the Laodicean foolish virgins, Luke 12:46, Mt. 24:51, Rev. 3:16). THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them (then the 1st Rapture is in the SPRING), and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place (HEAVEN) of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion" (the heavenly one).

Ex. 19:13-20 says, "when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount...And it came to pass on the third day (Sivan 3) in the morning, that there were THUNDERS and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and THE VOICE OF THE TRUMPET exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And MOSES BROUGHT FORTH THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE CAMP TO MEET WITH GOD; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because THE LORD DESCENDED upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the VOICE OF THE TRUMPET sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and GOD ANSWERED HIM BY A VOICE. And the LORD CAME DOWN upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and THE LORD CALLED MOSES UP (like Christ's 'Come up hither' in Rev. 4:1) to the top of the mount; and MOSES WENT UP." That sounds like the Pre-Trib Rapture on Sivan 3 to me.

1Sa 12:17 says, "Is it not WHEAT HARVEST to day? I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send THUNDER AND RAIN (symbol of the Holy Spirit); that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king."

John 4:35: "Say not ye, There are yet FOUR MONTHS (Sivan, Tamuz, Av, and Elul), and then cometh harvest (in Tishri)? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." This fits Sivan 3.

Sivan 3 also fits every detail in Song of Solomon 2:10-14. Winter is past. The rain is over and gone. There are flowers, budding grapes, turtledoves, etc. at that time. The turtledoves return in April and leave in October. Rev 6:1: "I saw when the Lamb opened ONE OF THE SEALS (i.e., beginning of the Tribulation), and I heard, as it were the noise of THUNDER". This fits the Pre-Trib Rapture, and it is when the wheat fields are ready to harvest.

Right after the 1st Rapture, "out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices" (Rev. 4:5).

White stands for righteousness. That fits the Bride saints, "for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses) of saints" (Rev. 19:8). The Philadelphian wise virgins have no words of condemnation against them.

Rev 10:2-7 says, "And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with A LOUD VOICE, as when A LION (YHWH Yahshua, Lion of the tribe of Judah) ROARETH: and when he had cried, SEVEN THUNDERS uttered their voices. And when the SEVEN THUNDERS had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven THUNDERS uttered, and write them not....And the angel...lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever (YHWH Yahshua), who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time (delay) no longer. But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound (6 PM, Tishri 1), the MYSTERY OF GOD SHOULD BE FINISHED (i.e., Rapture 2), as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Job 26:14: "Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the THUNDER OF HIS POWER who can understand?"

Job 40:9: "Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou THUNDER WITH A VOICE LIKE HIM."

Rev 14:2: "I heard A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, as the voice of many waters, and as THE VOICE OF A GREAT THUNDER: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps." This is Rapture 2. The 144,000 Israelites are among these.

When the 7th seal is broken, Rev 8:5 says, "And the angel took the censer (globe-shaped), and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and THUNDERINGS, and lightnings, and an earthquake." This is the Day of God's Wrath and the day of the 2nd Rapture. There is thunder.

Rev 11:19: "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and THUNDERINGS, and an earthquake, and great hail."

2Ki 20:5: "Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the THIRD DAY THOU SHALT GO UP UNTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD."

Est 5:1: "it came to pass on the THIRD DAY, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house".

Hos 6:2: "After two days will he revive us: in the THIRD DAY HE WILL RAISE US UP, and we shall live in his sight."

Rev 16:18: "there were voices, and THUNDERS, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great." This is on the Day of God's Wrath, the day of 7 thunders. Why 7? Seven means complete. At this point, all the saved are in Heaven. All left on Earth are unbelievers.

Rev 19:6: "I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

It all fits Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004) for the first Rapture and Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010) for the second Rapture." HOORAY!!!

Thank you Lord for helping me to see this connection on Easter. Thank you for being our Saviour. In Jesus' name, Amen. Agape

The Genesis Code is NOT another " Bible Code " Scheme

"Duality" in the Creation Story
http://www.yephiah.com/biblecode.html

Some time before Michael Drosnin 's best-selling book The Bible Code came out, I had been engaged in a word study in the Bible, and was struck by the repetitiveness of the Genesis creation story. Not only was the earth described as "formless", but also "empty." Not only is it recorded that "God said, 'Let there be light'", it is repeated, "and there was light." This double record seems to permeate every event. Not only are there "fruit trees", but there are fruit trees "bearing fruit." Not only are there "lights in the expanse of the sky to separate between the day and between the night..." but there are "lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth."

The thought occurred to me (whether by divine inspiration or not, who can say), to divide the story in two, by transcribing every other word in the original Hebrew, starting at the first word, and then every other word starting at the second word. In retrospect, I can't say for sure why I ever thought to do so. But I did. The result was startling. Before me were two complete recordings of the creation story. No event of any day was missing from either version. No recounting of the passing of the day into the next was left out....

...This last declaration of God, that he is the "Alpha and Omega", takes on special significance in the decoding of the Genesis story, for as one transcribes the original Hebrew words, translating them into English equivalents, one is confronted by a dilemma -- what to do with a particular Hebrew word that remains "un-translated." That word is spelled with the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet and the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet; in other words, the "Aleph" and the "Tav."

At the time, I simply sidestepped the problem by "transliterating" the word as the "Aleph-Tav" whenever I came to it. I can't say for sure when it dawned on me that this word, when read in the narrative of the decoded stories, becomes nothing less than a name for God himself! Realizing that the verb many times comes first in Hebrew phrasing, such as "HE-CREATED GOD" being read "God created...", it seemed natural to take the phrase "HE-CREATED ALEPH-TAV" as "Aleph-Tav created..." -- "'The Alpha and the Omega' created"-- "'God' created..."!...

I was in awe. Here God was revealing another name for himself, "the Aleph and Tav", yet this very name was already revealed and well known in the Greek as "the Alpha and Omega"! No longer would it be necessary to leave the Hebrew word Aleph-Tav "un-translated." In the context of the stories in which it is found, it takes the meaning either as an explicit name for God, or as the adjective "godly", or the adverb "divinely."...

Note that in Hebrew the verb often appears first -- e. g., "he-created God" is read "God created...", and so "he-created Aleph-Tav" would read "Aleph-Tav created."...

Aleph Tav (read from right to left)

Revelation Part 1, Lesson Two, Chapter One Revealed
Alpha and Omega = Aleph and Tav
http://www.bereansonline.org/outlines/rev-1-2.htm

...Bereshit bara Elohim [aleph-tav] hashamayim ve-et ha-eretz.

In the beginning created God(s) [aleph-tav] heaven and the earth.

"To Mrs. Agee--The Untranslatable..."

From: Sam Orlando on Five Doves site (1 Apr 2004)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2004/samo41.htm

In regards to Pro and Con 1110 and your message "I think I can translate the untranslatable."I don't know if you noticed or not but Genisis 1:1 that you had posted in Hebrew has "7" words in it. Notice that it is the number of lamps on a menorah. And the middle word just happens to be the "aleph-tau" or the "first and the last" or Our Lord Jesus Christ! Its in the servant lampposition! The first sentence in the bible has a Menorah design. I'm not sure if you or any of the dove's noticed this so I thought I would bring it up... Agape

My reply

Thanks for this information. I'm very interested in the Aleph-Tau (Alef-Tav) sign. It looks like God has tucked in such overwhelming evidence that Jesus is YHWH that those that know Hebrew would see it. It is probably because they are partially blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

I realize that Jews call the center light the servant lamp, but do you know of any scriptural proof that the center lamp in the 7-lamp candlestick is the servant light, as it is in the 9-candle Hanukkah menorah?

Didn't the lamps represent the naked-eye planets? We know that the candlestick was made "according unto the PATTERN which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick" (Nu. 8:4). I think it is the pattern of the planetary lineup, Sun to Saturn.

In Wars. V. V. 5, Josephus, a Pharisee priest, said, "Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets; for so many there were springing out of the candlestick. Now, the twelve loaves that were upon the table signified the circle of the zodiac and the year".

In Ant. III. VI. 7, Josephus said, "the shaft elevated itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them. It terminated in seven heads, IN ONE ROW, all standing parallel to one another; and these branches carried seven lamps, one by one, in imitation of the number of the planets."

Zechariah had a vision of "a candlestick...and HIS seven lamps thereon (Zech. 4:2). Verse 10 says, "those seven; they are the EYES (orbs) of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth." The line that runs through the one row of the lamps, i.e., planets (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn) does run "through the whole earth."

In Rev. 4:5 (KJV), "there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits (pneuma, currents of air) of God." I think Christ's throne is on the 7th lamp, Saturn. The currents of air could represent its orbit.

The Sun and planets were all called stars in early days. I wrote this note in the margin of my Bible: "5. Essene, not Scripture, Rev. "and SEVEN STARS OF HEAVEN SHONE BEFORE THE THRONE." Where I found that, I can't remember, but it would be after 1999.

Zech. 3:9,10 in the LXX says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch. For as for the stone (i.e., planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). Yes, it looks like the 7th planet, Saturn, really is Jesus' throne. To cinch it, Saturn has 7 rings around it. No other planet has rings like Saturn.

Thinking I probably found the Essene quote from the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible, I opened it. I didn't find it during my quick look, but what popped up is very interesting. I had marked Song of Solomon 2:8-14. It says, [8 Listen! My lover! Look--here he comes, leaping upon the mountains, leaping over the hills. 9 My lover is like a gazelle or a young stag. Look--there he stands] be[hind our wall], g[az]ing in at the windows, peering through the lattice." 10 "[My lover speaks and says] to me: 'Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 [For see, the winter is pas]t, the rains are over and gone. 12 Look, [flowers appear on the] earth, the season of singing has come (when the raptured Bride sings the new song, Rev. 5:9), and the cooing of [doves is heard in]our land. 13 Look, the fig tree puts forth [its figs, and the vines in bl]ossom give forth their fragrance. Arise, my love, [my fair one, and come away. 14 O My dove in the clefts of the]rock, in the secret nooks on the place of leaping, let me see [your face and let me hear]your sound; for your voice is sweet [and your face is lovely. Catch for us the f]oxes that ruin [the vineyards--for our vineyards are in full bloom].'"

I'm learning more about the so-called "untranslatable" Alef Tav sign. It's in the accusative case and marks the direct object of a verb. There are lots of them in the Hebrew scriptures. The AlephTau himself, the YHWH Yahshua seems to have planned for the Aleph Tau sign to tell its own miraculous story.

This AT sign has more meanings than I dreamed. It can mean self or point to the object of a verb.

It is Strong's 853, eth, appar. contr. from 226 in the demonstr. sense of ENTITY; prop. SELF (but gen. used to point out more def. the OBJECT OF A VERB or prep., even or namely):--[as such unrepresented in English.]

Number 226 is owth, prob. from 225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (lit. or fig.), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.;--mark, MIRACLE, (en-) SIGN, token.

Number 225 is uwth, a prim. root; prop. TO COME, i.e. (impl.) to assent:--consent.

The ENTITY that was TO COME MIRACULOUSLY was YHWH YAHSHUA. When he spoke the words translated "I AM THAT I AM" from the burning bush, it meant something closer to I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE, and YHWH would later COME in Yahshua (Jesus), reconciling the world unto himself (II Cor. 5:19).

On the Internet, I've read that this SIGN means first, ox (sacrificial), Father, leader, master, teaching, source, air and the Eternal. That's perfect to represent YHWH YAHshua, who taught Adam. His Word reveals that he used the Aleph Tau purposefully.

The Tau is said to mean last, the Tau cross, Saturn, sign, mark, signal, salvation and signature. The Aleph Tau sign stamps God's signature on the whole Old Testament, and looks forward to the cross, where YHWH YAHshua became our Saviour.

The Aleph and Tau are the first and the last letters in the Hebrew alphabet. The first and last letters in the Greek alphabet also are used to mean the first and the last. In Rev. 22:13,16, Jesus said, "I am ALPHA AND OMEGA, the beginning and the end, the FIRST AND THE LAST....I AM THE ROOT (YHWH) AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID" (YAHSHUA). He showed this in the first sentence of the Bible, placing the Aleph Tau () sign after the word God (Elohim). He placed the sign after the word God eight more times just in Genesis 1.

When this sign is seen, it often reveals God's hand. To me, it looks like it is the secret sign of God. is the first and the last, which is YHWH Yahshua/Jesus. If you look at the Aleph on the right in the Hebrew, it not only has the numeral value of 1, it's 3 marks suggest the 3 in 1.

As I trace the times (the first and last, YHWH Yahshua) was used after the word "God" by the Logos, the Word (John 1:1), the picture gets clearer and clearer. I'm so thankful to know about this sign.

Here's one to ponder awhile. In Gen. 1:26,27, "God (Elohim, plural) said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion...God (the first and last, YHWH Yahshua) created man IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD (Elohim, plural) created he him".

De. 6:4 says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHWH) our God (Elohim) is one (echad, united) LORD (YHWH)." Elohim is the united three in one (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), and man is three in one (body, soul and spirit).

Gen. 2:3 says, "God (Elohim) (the first and last, YHWH Yahshua) blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

Gen. 2:7 says, "And the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) (the first and the last, YHWH Yahshua) formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Gen. 2:15 says, "the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) (the first and the last, YHWH Yahshua) took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden".

Gen. 2:22 says, "And the rib, which the LORD God (the first and the last, YHWH Yahshua) had taken from man, made he a woman".

Gen. 3:8-10 says, "They heard (the first and the last, YHWH Yahshua) THE VOICE (the Logos, the Word) of the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) walking in the garden in the cool of the day...And the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard THY VOICE (the Logos, the Word, YHWH Yahshua) in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."

De. 5:24 says, "Behold, the LORD (YHWH) our God (Elohim) hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard HIS VOICE out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God (the Son) doth TALK WITH MAN, and he liveth."

John 5:37 says, "And THE FATHER HIMSELF, which hath sent me (Yahshua, Jesus), hath borne witness of me. YE HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE ."

It always was the Son of God that talked with mankind, or that was seen by man--not the Father. The Angel of the LORD (YHWH) was the Son. He is the one that interacts with mankind. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Daniel 8

From:JG Smith

A few moments after I saw the second plane hit the towers, I realized that the Western King of Daniel 8 is the USA. and that at some point in the future, the USA would be the one who fulfills the prophecy of the total destruction of Media and Persia. Up until that moment, I had believed the USA was not specially mentioned in prophecy.

With this in mind, I created the attached file. I know you won't fully agree with it, but I'm sure you will find it interesting.

I should have my redactions of the AT verses in Daniel completed tomorrow. You will really find them interesting. Agape Today, Jackson

My reply

Thanks to you, I have sure enjoyed looking up the Alef-Tav signs in Genesis and Isaiah. I hunted just for the ones associated with the names of God in Green's Interlinear and marked them. Some are really hard to find. How did you ever manage it? Without your lists to go by, I would have missed lots of them. I had no idea some could be hooked to the word before or after Jehovah. I am glad I had read the English words under the Hebrew all the way through in the past. Reading from right to left didn't seem as strange this time.

If this sign was just to mark the object of the verb, wouldn't they appear in more sentences than they do? Scads of sentences have an object of the verb.

Here are some sentences in Gen. 1 (Green) where there is an object to what "God saw." Is there a reason why they don't all have the Alef Tav (AT) sign? Could it be because the object isn't as obvious?

4. "And saw God [AT] the light that (it was) good."
10 "and saw God (it was) good."
12 "and saw God that (it was) good."
18 "and saw God that (it was) good."
21 "and saw God that (it was) good."
25 "and saw God that (it was) good."
31 "And saw God [AT] all which He had made and behold (it was) good."

I understand that when there is a change, hayah (form of "to be") is used, as in v. 3, "Then said God, Let be light, and was (hayah) light." When there is no change, as in the list above, hayah is not used, but "it was," etc., is to be supplied by the reader.

The frequent use of the AT sign in Genesis seems to be not only to catch our attention right away, but to balance the Alpha and Omega, first and last, beginning and end, in Revelation 1:8,11,17; 2:8; 21:6; 22:6,13. What is hinted at in Genesis is revealed clearly in Revelation. It was the Son of God that "created" and "made" in Genesis, and it was the same Son of God in Yahshua that spoke in Revelation.

The Son of God is the one that speaks, for John 5:37 says, "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

At this point, I'm torn between two things. I want to search for the AT signs in the rest of the prophecies, and I want to get into your interpretation of Dan. 8.

Thanks much for sharing all this with me. It's facinating. If you find more AT signs, please share them with me too, especially those that precede or follow names of God. I think the Lord meant for us to pick up on this at this time. You sure had a lot of preparation for it. I always thought that I didn't have time to learn much Hebrew, that I'd better apply myself to the English and use Lexicons and Concordances. I'm sure proud of you for going back to college to study Hebrew.

May you have all kinds of blessings from the Lord. Agape

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