Pro and Con 1117

Posted 4-19-04

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Your updated Web page seems to represent your complete work. Thanks, and may we all now enter into His rest, Amen.

My reply

Thank you. Rest sounds good. I sit here blanking out momentarily sometimes, because I work into the wee hours to avoid as many interruptions as possible.

From 5 Doves site

Sam Orlando (19 Apr 2004)
"Mrs Agee's 5-23-2004 rapture date:"

John and Dove's.

I would like to comment on Mrs. Agee's choice for a possible rapture date on 5-23-2004. First of all the first thing I noticed and I'm sure I wasn't the only one is the numbers in that date.

Notice the "234" as in Vincent Tan's angel encounter. Immediately I saw the "5" as being grace and then 234 when you drop the zero's. Notice in the story he could not put "one" more drop of gas into the full tank. Maybe May 23, 2004 is the FULLness of the times of the gentiles and not one day (drop) more! By His Grace (5) we will be raptured and escape the coming judgement.

Since those who are alive on 5-23-2004 will not proceed those who are dead in Christ, maybe they will rise on 5-16-2004 which is Ascencion Day. This would be our "7 day" Warning since 5-23-2005 would be "7" days later. Then from 5-23-2004 till Pentecost which is 5-26-2004 is"3" days. I would think it would take at least "3" days for the 144,000 to think about what just happened when the rapture occurs before they all agree and believe that Jesus is Messiah.What if Pentecost is as the first Pentecost and tongues of fire come down from Heaven.At that point they will be sealed.

Notice that 10-days from 5-16-04, Ascencion day till 5-26-04 is 10 days non-inclusive.The scripture "and they shall have tribualtion 10-days" might fit in here. Imagine graves opened and bodies missing. Imagine the bones in the James Osuary being missing along with all of the other famous Bride Christians who died around the time of Christ missing. Who are they going to blame? The Jews! Okay, when you have finished laughing just think about it. They are blamed for everything. So for 10 days they are in the beginning of trib. judgements. Of course if this is true then we will see the first 7-days during our 7-day warning period. Then at the end of the 10-days they are sealed at Pentecost.

One more question came to mind that I would like to address Mrs. Agee about. In your opening page on your site under "Space to repent" you stated:"The space to repent (Rev. 2:21) may not be over until the Rapture is at hand. Rev. 22:10-14 says, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time (the Rapture) is at hand (maybe 10 days before it, Rev. 2:10). "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be;......."

This is in conflict with the following that was a few paragraphs later under the above quote:
" I think the type for the Rapture on Sivan 3 was set at Mt. Sinai. There was THUNDER on Sivan 3. Ex. 19:1-11 says, "In the third month (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Sivan 1), when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day (Sivan 1) came they into the wilderness of Sinai....And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY (Sivan 1) and TO MORROW (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes (i.e., confess their sins, I John 1:9), And BE READY against the THIRD DAY (Sivan 3, Sunday, May 23, in 2004): FOR THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai....AND MOSES WENT UP UNTO GOD."

According to this we will have up to and including the day before the rapture to repent and confess our sins. However, my suggestion is that no one watching should wait that late in time. We could die tomorrow, maybe saved but not part of the bride group. And if your reading this on the Dove's site I would hope that being the Bride is as much your passion as it is mine. Just some thoughts. We will know soon. YBIC Sam Orlando sorlando@academicplanet.com

My reply

> > I would like to comment on Mrs. Agee's choice for a possible rapture date on 5-23-2004. First of all the first thing I noticed and I'm sure I wasn't the only one is the numbers in that date.
> > Notice the "234" as in Vincent Tan's angel encounter. Immediately I saw the "5" as being grace and then 234 when you drop the zero's. Notice in the story he could not put "one" more drop of gas into the full tank. Maybe May 23, 2004 is the FULLness of the times of the gentiles and not one day (drop) more! By His Grace (5) we will be raptured and escape the coming judgement.
> > Since those who are alive on 5-23-2004 will not proceed those who are dead in Christ, maybe they will rise on 5-16-2004 which is Ascencion Day. This would be our "7 day" Warning...5-23... would be "7" days later.

Thanks. I hadn't remembered the $2.34 or the 7-day warning Noah got yet.

Ascension Day being 7 days before May 23 is perfect. The countdown of the omer as the Jews today count it (1st day, Nisan 16) fits.

1st day, Nisan 16, Resurrection Day, Wed, 4-7-4
40th day, Iyar 25, Ascension Day, Sun, 5-16-4, warning day?
47th day, Sivan 3, first trump, Sun, 5-23-4, Rapture?
50th day, Sivan 6, Pentecost, Wed, 5-26-4

I Thess. 4:14 says, "if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus (the dead in Christ) will God bring with him." When GOD (YHWH Yahshua/Jesus Christ) comes down from Heaven, the saints that are now in Heaven will come down WITH HIM.

Ex. 19:10-13 says, "THE THIRD DAY (Sivan 3) THE LORD WILL COME DOWN....WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDETH LONG (Sivan 3), THEY SHALL COME UP."

Mt. Sinai represents Heaven. In Ex. 20:22, YHWH said, "Ye have seen that I have talked with you FROM HEAVEN."

Ex. 19:16-20 says, "And it came to pass on the third day (Sivan 3) in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and THE VOICE OF THE TRUMPET EXCEEDING LOUD; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God ; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And WHEN THE VOICE OF THE TRUMPET SOUNDED LONG, AND WAXED LOUDER AND LOUDER, Moses spake, and God answered him by A VOICE. And THE LORD CAME DOWN upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: AND THE LORD CALLED MOSES UP to the top of the mount; and MOSES WENT UP."

Moses means saved out of the water. Both he and Noah were saved out of the water. Both could be types of the Rapture. In Mt. 24:37, Jesus said, "But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." I think Sivan 3 (5-23-4) has a good chance to be the day of the Rapture. Since Noah was warned 7 days beforehand, the 7-day warning you suggest sounds reasonable too.

If I remember right, Vincent Tan said that the angel left two one-dollar bills, three dimes, and 4 pennies under the cushion on the car seat. There would be other ways of making up $2.34, but this was the best way to impress on us the 2, 3, and 4. It sounds good.

Think how the Sinai account resembles the Rapture accounts. I Thess. 4:16,17 says "the Lord himself (YHWH Yahshua, Jesus) shall descend (come down) from heaven with A SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel, and WITH THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Rev. 4:1,5 says, "I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was AS IT WERE OF A TRUMPET TALKING with me; which SAID, COME UP HITHER.... And out of the throne proceeded LIGHTNINGS and THUNDERINGS and VOICES."

Ex. 19:16-20 says, "IT CAME TO PASS ON THE THIRD DAY (Sivan 3) in the morning, that there were THUNDERS and LIGHTNINGS, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and THE VOICE OF THE TRUMPET (first trump of the Bible) EXCEEDING LOUD; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And MOSES BROUGHT FORTH THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE CAMP TO MEET WITH GOD....And when the VOICE OF THE TRUMPET sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by A VOICE. And THE LORD CAME DOWN upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and THE LORD CALLED MOSES UP to the top of the mount; AND MOSES WENT UP."

> > I would think it would take at least "3" days for the 144,000 to think about what just happened when the rapture occurs before they all agree and believe that Jesus is Messiah.What if Pentecost is as the first Pentecost and tongues of fire come down from Heaven.At that point they will be sealed. I think the 144,000 will be sealed (marked) just before they are caught up in the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. Eze. 9:4,5 says, "the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and SET A MARK UPON THE FOREHEADS of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, GO YE AFTER HIM THROUGH THE CITY, AND SMITE."

> > > And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY (Sivan 1) and TO MORROW (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes (i.e., confess their sins, I John 1:9), And BE READY against the THIRD DAY (Sivan 3, Sunday, May 23, in 2004): FOR THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai....AND MOSES WENT UP UNTO GOD."

> > According to this we will have up to and including the day before the rapture to repent and confess our sins. However, my suggestion is that no one watching should wait that late in time. We could die tomorrow, maybe saved but not part of the bride group.

No one, even Christians, should wait to get right with God. Use I John 1:9. Be found wearing white garments. The Bride wears white. Think of the foolish Laodicean virgins in Mt. 25. Because their lamps were lit, they thought they had it made. What they didn't realize was that they needed more oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels (bodies).

Why? what difference does that make? It makes the difference between going through the "open door" set before the Philadelphians or being left behind like the Laodiceans. They are spewed out of the Body of Christ at the 1st Rapture (Rev. 3:16) and are caught up with the Tribulation saints in the 2nd Rapture.

Maybe Moses will come on Sivan 1 to warn people that they only have two more days to get right with God before the Rapture, but maybe not. It isn't safe to wait. When the "marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready", she "should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses) of saints" (Rev. 19:7,8). That includes both Christ's righteousness imputed to us and our righteous acts.

When we accept Christ, our old sins are washed away. We get a fresh start. After that, when we sin, we should confess it to God and bring it under the blood of Christ. I think that's what Jesus meant when he told Peter if he (Jesus) didn't wash his (Peter's) feet, he (Peter) had no part with him (Jesus). We need to be clean, every whit. John 13:10 says, "Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit". Think of their sandals and dirt roads. We do need to allow the Lord to wash our feet.

> > Notice that 10-days from 5-16-04, Ascencion day till 5-26-04 is 10 days non-inclusive.The scripture "and they shall have tribualtion 10-days" might fit in here. Imagine graves opened and bodies missing. Imagine the bones in the James Osuary being missing

The bones are already missing from the James Ossuary, but that won't matter.

It seems to me that the 10 days (hemera, a period, day, time, while, year) of Rev. 2:10 would have to precede the Rapture by 10 time periods. How about 5754 to 5764? The Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754 (Sept. 16, 1993). May 23, 2004 is Sivan 3, 5764. I sure appreciate your thoughts. They make me zero in on these details. Sivan 3, 5764 is looking better all the time.

> > > And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY (Sivan 1) and TO MORROW (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes (i.e., confess their sins, I John 1:9), And BE READY against the THIRD DAY (Sivan 3, Sunday, May 23, in 2004): FOR THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai....AND MOSES WENT UP UNTO GOD."
> > According to this we will have up to and including the day before the rapture to repent and confess our sins. However, my suggestion is that no one watching should wait that late in time.

I think you're right, but as you indicated, why wait? Now is best. Use I John 1:9. Agape

Supernova Shockwave is Producing a Spectacular New One-of-a-Kind Light Show

Hubble eyes new phase of supernova explosion

By Robert Roy Britt, 2-20-04
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/02/20/shc.hubble.supernova/

The most recent Hubble image of Supernova 1987A, taken in November 2003, shows the dying star's "ring of fire" getting brighter.

(SPACE.com) -- The most dramatic stellar explosion witnessed in centuries just got more interesting. New images from the Hubble Space Telescope show a dying star's "ring of fire" entering a new phase of brightness.

The remarkable event is the only one of its kind ever recorded by telescopes. ...

Astronomers first saw the star explode -- an event called a supernova -- in 1987. It shone as bright as 100 million suns for several months.

Robert Kirshner of Harvard University and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics led the latest observations. He explained what's going on around the star named 1987A. When the star first exploded, ultraviolet light raced outward and lit up a previously unknown ring of gaseous debris that the star had presumably spat out about 20,000 years prior.

"Then there's a blast wave going out from the supernova to the ring," Kirshner said in a telephone interview. "We all knew it was going to hit in a decade or so."

Shock wave hits
In 1996, that shock wave began to plow into the debris ring, which is about a light-year in diameter. It heated the ring material -- gas and dust -- in spots, created an increasing number of bright areas that Hubble has been documenting over the years.

In the latest image, the spots nearly cover the ring like pearls on a necklace. The star, meanwhile, is a million times dimmer than when it first exploded....

Scientists have seen no other supernova evolve over time with anything approaching this sort of detail....

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/17/141224.shtml

Here they come! Saddam's WMD revealed (which Assad is evidently shipping to Somalia post haste). There will be a dead silence from certain political interests soon, although they will probably recoup by accusing Bush of planning this also.
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King Abdullah: Al-Qaida WMDs Came From Syria, 4-17-04
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/17/141224.shtml

Jordan's King Abdullah revealed on Saturday that vehicles reportedly containing chemical weapons and poison gas that were part of a deadly al-Qaida bomb plot came from Syria, the country named by U.S. weapons inspector David Kay last year as a likely repository for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

"It was a major, major operation. It would have decapitated the government," King Abdullah told the San Francisco Chronicle. Jordanian officials estimated that the death count could have been as high as 20,000 - seven times greater than the Sept. 11 attacks.

King Abdullah said that trucks containing 17.5 tons of explosives had come from Syria...

A car belonging to the al-Qaida plotters, containing a chemical bomb and poisonous gas, was intercepted just 75 miles from the Syrian border.

Petra, The Great Temple

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Anthropology/Petra/excavations/site-protection.html

...Now that all the temple columns have been located, we have undertaken their reversible re-erection. Using a tested mortar which in composition is similar to the original Nabataean mortar, we have consolidated architectural elements that have been imperiled both from 2000 years of erosion as well as by recent excavations....

From the beginning, the fundamental philosophy of the Petra Great Temple excavations has been the consolidation of the site and the re-erection of columns while the excavations are in progress. Exposure of the architectural features has been of serious concern, for the site is susceptible to erosive heavy rains and earth tremors. This was acknowledged by the incorporation of several additional consolidation procedures which have become part of our research design....

In August 1996, the Great Temple project gained the approval of the Department of Antiquities of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan to carry out this consolidation....

My comment

I can see why they are working on Petra. The Messianic Jews will flee there during the 2nd half of the Tribulation. A dam has been rebuilt outside the siq, and that narrow way into the city has had work done on it to make tourists safer.

Since Petra gets heavy rains, I can see why Rev. 12:15,16 says, "the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman (Israel), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2004/miriamh416.htm

My reply

> > Even though Genesis 1 through Exodus 11, is dated from fall to fall- which is Israel's civil calendar today-- in Exodus 12, God instructed Israel to count from Nisan to Nisan, on which all the Bible is dated, through to the end of Revelation. This calendar is known as the sacred calendar. Even AFTER the Mosaic Law was given to Moses and Israel, the Lord instructed that Sabbatical years and Jubilee years were to be counted according to the Civil calendar- from Tishri 1 to Tishri 1- which is the 7th month, as viewed from the Bible.

God gave Israel the Sacred Calendar while they were in Egypt. Ex. 12:1,6 says, "This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you....and ye shall keep it (the passover lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month (Abib, Nisan)." Therefore, the Sacred Year began with Nisan, and continues to begin with Nisan.

Ex. 16:1 says, "Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month (Iyar, still using the Sacred Year).

Ex. 19:1 says, "In the third month (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Sivan 1, still using the Sacred Year)...came they into the wilderness of Sinai."

In Lev. 23:5, the LORD said, "In the fourteenth day of the first month (Nisan, Sacred Year) at even is the LORD'S passover."

Lev. 23:27 says, "on the tenth day of this seventh month (Tishri, 10, Sacred Year) there shall be a day of atonement".

Lev. 25:8-10 says, "thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years (7 x 7 Sacred Years); and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years (49 Sacred Years). Then (in the 49th Sacred Year) shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month (Tishri 10, 49th Sacred Year), in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year (50th Sacred Year), and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it (the 50th Sacred Year) shall be a JUBILE unto you."

The Jubilee was announced on Tishri 10 of the 49th Sacred Year, but it began the following Nisan 1, the first day of the 50th Sacred Year.

> > just has man counted a "week of 7 days" which, for the Jew ENDED AND BEGAN on Saturday evening, He instructed Israel to count a "week of 7 years" which ALSO was to BEGIN AND END on a SABBATH year. He then gave them the "Jubilee cycle" which was to be 7 "weeks of years" or 49 years, again, which were to BEGIN AND END on a Sabbath year! The year following the 49th year was to become the FIRST year (even though it was 'the 50th year') of the next 49 years.

That's the correct way to count the Jubilee. It is a 49-year cycle. That way it stays aligned with the Sabbatic Years.

Lev. 25:1-10 says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, in MOUNT SINAI, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, WHEN YE COME INTO THE LAND (i.e., 40 years in the future) which I give you, THEN SHALL THE LAND KEEP A SABBATH unto the LORD."

Ordinary years, the Sabbatic Years (every 7th ordinary year) and Jubilee Years (every 7th Sabbatic Year) began to be counted from Nisan 1 in the Sacred Year in which they came out of Egypt.

Continuing, "Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; But in the SEVENTH YEAR shall be a SABBATH of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is A YEAR OF REST UNTO THE LAND....

Continuing, "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee FORTY AND NINE YEARS. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the JUBILE to sound on the tenth day of the SEVENTH MONTH (Tishri, 7th in the Sacred Year), in the day of atonement (Tishri 10, in the 49th Sacred Year) shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year (the 50th Sacred Year, starting the following Nisan 1), and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it (the 50th Sacred Year) shall be a JUBILE unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family."

After they entered the land in the 40th Sacred Year, the men still fought in the army. By the 50th Sacred Year, the land was secured, so the army disbanded. The men went home to their families. What a Jubilee that was.

> > He commanded the making of the 7-branch candle stick which was beaten out of a single piece of gold- composed of 3 branches on each side of the MIDDLE pole- which became known in Judaism as "The Shamash," the Servant Candle- whose oil always filled the other 6 branches, until the day that Jesus died upon the Cross!

As I understand it, the lamps on the candlestick represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, EARTH, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Josephus Ant. III. VI. 7). Jesus became the servant on Earth, so calling the center lamp the Servant Candle fits. Shemesh is the Sun, and Christ is called the Sun of righteousness. Mal. 4:2 says, "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."

Therefore, YHWH Yahshua/Jesus is also the first and the last, the Sun of righteousness and the one with his throne on Saturn (Heaven).

> > The Servant Candle is completely representative of Y'shua, the Messiah-King of Israel, and He is ALWAYS revealed in Scripture as appearing in "THE MIDDLE OF SEVEN."

Where? He is the Alpha-Omega, the Aleph-Tau, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending.

> > Here is a wonderful, confirming fact that the Lord has been keeping track of ALL of Israel's sabbatical years...as EVERY 7th year, i.e. the Sabbatical year, on the Jewish calendar-- that year date ALWAYS divides out equally by 7, ALWAYS. Example: 5761- Israel's last Sabbatical year- divided by 7 = 823. Israel's next Sabbatical- 5768, divided by 7 = 824.

That is correct. The way to figure out if a certain year is a Sabbatic Year is to divide it by 7. If there is no remainder, it is a Sabbatic Year.

> > 456 B.C. which was another year- documented in Israel's historical record- to be the year that Ezra obtained the decree "to return and rebuild Jerusalem" from King Artaxerxes. This was the "majority Sabbatical year" and a 49th year..and was the FIRST YEAR OF DANIEL'S '70 WEEK' prophecy

Daniel's prophecy was to start in the first year of Cyrus, which I think was BC 454. In Isa. 44:28, the LORD saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid." 483 - 454 + 1 (because there is no zero year) = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion.

> > But the nation of Israel rejected their Messiah-King. Jesus left the earth in the MIDDLE of 7, in the spring of 30 A.D. I believe that the Lord suspended that particular Jubilee year, holding it in reserve UNTIL...
> > I personally believe, that Jesus Christ will pick up His count EXACTLY WHERE HE LEFT OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF 7. Let me show you how...
> > Just as He showed us with His first visit...Israel's last Sabbatical year ENDED on Tishri 1, 2000, which was Jewish year 5760. But this is also THE BEGINNING of the next Sabbatical cycle of years, beginning with Jewish year 5761.
> > Note:
Tishri 1, 2000
to Tishri 1, 2001
to Tishri 1, 2002
to Tishri 1, 2003
to Nisan 1, 2004, which is 6 months
is exactly 3.5 years, from the beginning of the last Sabbatical cycle.
> > For this reason, I believe that Jesus will return for the Bride sometime this spring of 2004.5, which will then BEGIN the next 7 years of Tribulation for the world!

I also arrived at spring of 2004, but by different means. I hope for Sunday, Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004) for the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation. It will be the day of thunder when the first seal on the Title deed of the Earth is broken.

I have wondered why Moses had to go up mount Sinai, come back down, and then go up and come down again in Ex. 19. Now I think I understand. There were good reasons why he did this.

In Ex. 20:22 the LORD (YHWH Yahshua) said, "Ye have seen that I have talked with you FROM HEAVEN." In "the desert of Sinai,' Ex. 19:2), Mt. Sinai represented Heaven.

Israel arrived at Mt. Sinai in the "third month" (chodesh, new moon, month, i.e., Sivan 1). In Ex. 19:3, "Moses went up unto God" that same day. In verses 10 and 11, the "LORD said unto Moses, GO UNTO THE PEOPLE (i.e., his return to Israel as one of the two witnesses on Sivan 1, just before the Tribulation?), and sanctify them today (Sivan 1) and to morrow (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes (i.e., confess their sins so as to be wearing white robes), and be ready against the THIRD DAY (Sivan 3): for the THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai."

Verses 18-20 say, "mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the voice of the trumpet (like the trump of God in I Thess. 4:16) sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And the LORD CAME DOWN upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up." To me, this represents the Pre-Trib Rapture on Sivan 3.

Moses was sent down again on Sivan 3, probably to prophesy with Elijah during the first half of the Tribulation. "So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them."

This Sivan 3, 5764 will be May 23, 2004, probably the first day of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14). These 2300 days will end on Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. There will be thunder that day too. No thunder is mentioned in between the two Raptures. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Link to The Gospel in the Stars, or PC #

Do you have a url for this material? PC # where astromony vs. astrology is discussed? When I think of all we have seen since 1997 Wow! Agape,

My reply

These files explain God's gospel in the stars. The zodiac was God's picturebook explaining the gospel of Christ before man had the Bible. It still has much to teach us. God named the stars, and what a wonderful story they tell.

God's picture book, "THE WAY," written in the stars
http://www.prophecycorner.com/agee/stars.html
http://www.prophecycorner.com/agee/stars2.html
http://www.prophecycorner.com/agee/stars3.html

According to Josephus and others, Adam, Seth and Enoch drew the first pictorial gospel story. They were contemporaries 308 years. Enoch was a prophet. Jude 14,15 says, "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, Prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all." He knew the whole plan of God right up to the Second Advent.

Astronomy is a study of the stars.

Things like fortune telling, trying to contact an entity on the other side, and astrology is forbidden by God. Astrology is Satan's attempt to corrupt the true gospel in the stars. Things like what sign we were born under have no bearing on our lives. King Saul died because he got the witch of Endor to call up Samuel from the dead. Agape

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