I searched for thunders a bit more and found that Psa. 29 has some very interesting information that connects the voice of the LORD with thunder. It mentions the voice of the LORD 7 times.
Psa. 29:3-10 says, "THE VOICE OF THE LORD is upon the waters: THE GOD OF GLORY THUNDERETH the LORD is upon many waters. THE VOICE OF THE LORD is powerful; THE VOICE OF THE LORD is full of majesty. THE VOICE OF THE LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn. THE VOICE OF THE LORD divideth the flames of fire. THE VOICE OF THE LORD shaketh the wilderness; the LORD shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh. THE VOICE OF THE LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple (all the saints) doth every one speak of his glory. The LORD (YHWH YAHshua, Jesus Christ) sitteth upon the flood; yea, THE LORD SITTETH KING FOR EVER.The LORD will give strength unto his people; the LORD will bless his people (Israel) with peace."
Since we read of the voice of the LORD 7 times in Psa. 29, and his voice is like thunder, it could be the same as the 7 thunders of Rev. 10. They utter "their voices." If so, Rev. 10 would take place when "the LORD sitteth King for ever" (Psa. 29:10).
It fits! Rev. 11:15-17 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD (YHWH), and of His Christ (YAHshua haMashiach, Jesus Christ) and HE SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art (on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (the Second Advent is 7 months future, [Nisan 1], Eze. 39:12,13); because THOU HAST TAKEN TO THEE THY GREAT POWER, AND HAST REIGNED."
Since Christ came down in Rev. 10 as the Angel of the LORD holding the "little book open" that he was given in Rev. 5, it looks to me like the little book is a scroll written on the front and back. Rev. 5:1 says, "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." By Rev. 10, the story on the front side has been told. Starting with Rev. 11, John must prophesy again, and the scroll is turned over. John must tell what the backside says. The story goes back to the beginning of the Tribulation.
Rev. 11:1 tells us about the raptured saints, the wise virgins, the spiritual temple in the heavenly Jerusalem. It says, "RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." This "Rise" parallels Christ's "Come up hither" in Rev. 4:1.
Rev. 11:2 tells us about those left behind at the first Rapture. It says, "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (earthly Jerusalem) shall they tread under foot forty and two months (until Mid-Trib).
The two witnesses will prophesy during these 42 months, and then be killed. Three and a half days past Mid-Trib, the two witnesses will be resurrected. They will hear "a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither." They will then ascend to the heavenly New Jerusalem. On Earth, 7000 will die in the earthquake at Jerusalem (Rev. 11:13).
Zech. 9:14-16 says of the first day of YHWH YAHshua's reign, "THE LORD (YHWH) SHALL BE SEEN OVER THEM (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and his arrow (i.e., the asteroid) shall go forth as the lightning: and THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET (the 'last trump' of God, calling up the Tribulation saints, I Cor. 15:51,52), and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar. And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people (Israel): for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land."
> > Rapture 4.1 - Seal 1 6.1 - Noise of thunder
Rev. 4:5 and 6:1 mention the thunder. Rev. 4:5 says, "out of the throne proceeded lightnings and THUNDERINGS and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God." Rev. 6:1 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of THUNDER, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see." This shows that the Rapture and the breaking of the first seal that starts the Tribulation are right together. Agape
YES! YES! YES!!! I am as excited as you...Chapter 6, Verse 1 reads, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the Seals (first Seal), and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying Come and see. Marilyn, this ties with the Tribulation beginning with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture together! Wow, wow, and wow! Exodus 19 sure brings this to heightened excitement! Let there be in the Third month (Sivan) and Third day (23 May) "thunders and lightnnings, , thick clouds, lightings, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud saying "Come up hither!" It is okay if Moses leads the first group (bodily resurrection) into the "promised land". Quite fitting I think forYehweh to allow Moses the honor. And the mathematics! YES! YES! YES!
You seem to be right all of your precepts...Sivan 3,5764 (May 23, 2004 for the Pre-Trib Rapture and Tishri 1, 5771 (September 9, 2010) for the last Rapture! I'll join in your HOORAY!!! Thanks for sharing your NUGGETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let those with eyes and ears see and hear what the spirit is saying to His Church.!!!
Isa. 53 1 says, "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD (Yahshua) revealed?"
Thank you Lord for revealing Your Word to your friends. Agape
In fact, it is one of the sites with the most truth i found around the web. (Hey, that's an honour for you!!!) It brought tears in my eyes that there are still people that believe that JESUS IS THE ONE TRUE GOD OF THE BIBLE! (At least I think you do)
Something I have to add:
I AM in hebrew is an expression that you actually can't translate. It starts in the present and reaches to the unlimited (or open) future. So "I AM" and "I will become" or "I Shall be" is both right and wrong. Correct would be "I am and shall be that I am and shall be".
What moved me to write:
Please don't mark me as an unbeliever or so. I really love god. He's awesome!!!
Something I claim:
There is no trinity.
Please don't stop reading. I believe that Jesus is the Image of the INVISIBLE God. He is the one on the Throne. He is omnipresent. I believe the "son" was a title only used for Jesus down on earth. He is the Father. I KNOW that this is what the bible teaches. Since the Bible never uses the Word "trinity", why should we call God like this? God doesn't consist out of 3 persons, but he has different manifestations.
He is omnipresent! He is ONE! "Whosoever sees me sees the Father" Jesus says. That means he is the Father! God (the omnipresent and invisible) himself has an image. (Col.1:15) We NEVER can lift Jesus too high. The more we learn about God the greater Jesus becomes for us!!! I myself didn't believe this a long time.
"image" here in Col. 1:15 is a word that was also used for the images of the cesar on the coin or another image of an cesar. What the text simply wants to say is that Jesus is the manifestaiton of the omnipresent, eternal, almighty, loving, good and invisible God! AND: Jesus surely is the only image you'll ever see of God!!! Believe it, THIS is the mystery of faith! HE (Jesus ALONE) sat, sits and will sit upon the Throne!
Jesus is the omnipresent, almighty, eternal God, he alone! There is NO difference between Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Col. 2,9 states that Jesus was ALL OF GOD on earth, no matter how many manifestations there are! I don't want to discuss, I can do this elsewhere. I want to share truth! Somewhere the Bible says "Proof everything, and keep the GOOD!"
P.S: Maybe you never knew: When Jesus was crucified they put that sign at the cross. It was written in latin, greek and hebrew. It usually said why the person was nailed to the cross. As you know it said "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". In HEBREW it surely said "Yeshuah Hanozri Wemelech Hajehudim". Take the first letter of each Hebrew Word and you got... .. YHWH!!! He was accused of being the ONE TRUE GOD! Because of that he was crucified. I hope you agree with me, for the one that holds the truth would give his life that someone else can see it.
I could give you a LOT more evidence, but at this moment I don't got time. Please reply
in deep Love and in deep hope of Christ Jesus, who truly is God upon all Flesh
> > nailed to the cross. As you know it said "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". In HEBREW it surely said "Yeshuah Hanozri Wemelech Hajehudim". Take the first letter of each Hebrew Word and you got... .. YHWH!!! He was accused of being the ONE TRUE GOD!
That's news to me. Thanks much. I agree with you about who Christ really is.
> > I believe the "son" was a title only used for Jesus down on earth.
However, the son is mentioned in the Old Testament. Prov. 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?" Psa. 2:12 says, "KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. BLESSED ARE ALL THEY THAT PUT THEIR TRUST IN HIM."
> > Jesus surely is the only image you'll ever see of God!!!
In Heaven, we will see God in the face of Jesus. Rev. 22:3-6 says, "there shall be no more curse: but the throne (one throne) of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his (singular) servants shall serve him (singular): And they shall see his face (one face); and his name (one name) shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light ('the Lamb is the light thereof, Rev. 21:23, so he is the Lord God): and they shall reign for ever and ever. And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true." Praise the Lord. Agape
...It is a rare and challenging time for casual astronomers who wish to see comets. There are three right now in position to be spotted soon either from backyards or on the Internet, but it's not yet clear whether any of them will be easy targets for most observers.
The most recently discovered of these comets is called Bradfield. Late Thursday it became visible in web images captured by the Sun-watching SOHO spacecraft....
Comet Bradfield may be visible in the SOHO images through Monday, 4/19. And there's a chance it will emerge into the morning sky -- visible to the naked eye -- in late April.
Two other comets have been in astronomers' sights for month and are just preparing to possibly put on backyard shows....
After many weeks of dawdling in the vicinity of the Sun, comet LINEAR (catalogued C/2002 T7) has begun to reappear in the early morning sky. Having been effectively out of sight for such a long interval, nobody knew exactly how this comet had been brightening en route toward a late-April rendezvous with the Sun.
The chief worry concerning comet LINEAR, as well as another comet that could evolve into a bright object (comet NEAT C/2001 Q4) is that they are both "new" comets – freshly arrived specimens from the outermost reaches of the solar system.
...The comet, named Bradfield, is racing through the inner solar system at a time when two other comets are expected to become visible to the naked eye, providing a rare trio of opportunities this spring....
Because it will appear to move rapidly northward after perihelion, comet Bradfield will ultimately emerge into the morning sky for observers in mid-northern latitudes during the final week of April....
Chart showing the paths of C/2002 T7 (LINEAR) and C2001 Q4 (NEAT) in the evening sky
The chart shows the sky between west and north. The path of LINEAR (in BLUE) covers from mid May to June. That of NEAT (in RED) is from mid April to the end of May. The most likely dates they will be both visible in the early evening sky are from May 17 to May 25. The comets are shown in their position on May 17, with light blue lines joining their positions on that date, May 20 and May 23.
On May 23, the comet will be less than 3° from Sirius.
Sirius is the brightest star in the sky. We will know where to look for the comet. Saturn and Mars are shown in Gemini.
Over the past month, pieces of stone from the Western Wall of the Temple Mount have became loose and broken off. On 30 March 2004, the Heritage Foundation of the Western Wall started repairs to the wall....
A Symbolic Pesach Sacrifice Was Again Performed on the Mt. of Olives On Monday, 5 April 2004, a few hours before the start of the Feast of Pesach, a symbolic Passover sacrifice was performed on the Mt. of Olives in front of the Holy of Holies.
We sent the following questions regarding the James ossuary to Professor Yuval Goren, of Tel Aviv University, for his comments. He replied, presumably in jest, “OK, you convinced me. The ossuary is undoubtedly the authentic bone box of James, the brother of Jesus.”
Yuval Goren, a geologist from Tel Aviv University and a member of the Israel Antiquities Authority committee, convinced everyone else on the committee1 that the inscription on the ossuary, or bone box—James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus—is a modern forgery—or at least to vote that way.
On close examination, however, his views raise a number of serious questions. We hope he will answer them for us....
QUESTION 1: How was the inscription coating made?...
QUESTION 2: Why was the inscription coating applied?...
QUESTION 3: Is there any ancient patina in the letters of the inscription beneath the inscription coating?...
QUESTION 4: Is there ancient patina that runs up to the edges of the letters of the inscription?...
Professor Harrell has proposed a way, in his words, “to verify, rather than merely suggest, the antiquity of the inscription. It is a reanalysis of the traces of brownish patina seen not only in the letters of the word Jesus by Orna Cohen, but also in other words of the inscription by Amnon Rosenfeld and Shimon Ilani of the GSI. If it can be shown that these traces are compositionally the same as the ancient brownish patina elsewhere on the ossuary, then it would be very difficult to refute the inscription’s authenticity....
A team of senior Egyptian and Jordanian engineers on Thursday began tests to determine the stability of the eastern wall of the Temple Mount. The survey came just weeks after a report issued by the Israeli Antiquities Authority stated that the 2000-year-old wall was in danger of immediate collapse as a result of the February earthquake that rocked the country.
The six-person team, which includes four Egyptian engineers and geologists as well as two architects from Jordan, was summoned to Jerusalem at the behest of the Jordanian Government, the Egyptian head of the team, Professor Saleh Lamei said Thursday.
Lamei who serves as the Director General of Cairo's Center for Conservation and Preservation of Islamic Architectural Heritage, said that the group would be carrying out a one-week survey of the wall and would then return to Cairo to prepare their report for the Jordanian Government, which he said would be completed in about one month....
An ancient window in the epicenter of the bulge on the southern wall has been enlarged and opened, presumably to allow workers easier access to the outer wall from inside.
Israeli archaeologists say that the bulge on the southern wall was undoubtedly caused by the Wakf construction work at Solomon's Stables over the last decade, while a Jordanian report suggests that it was the result of the natural flow of rainwater over the centuries....
Not every verb has an Aleph-Tau (AT) sign to point to its direct object. Since you know Hebrew, can you tell me why? I thought it might be needed when a misunderstanding could occur if it wasn't used. That didn't hold water. It is sometimes used when there could be no misunderstanding.
The AT sign is used in Gen. 1:1. Green's Interlinear says, "In the beginning created God [AT] the heavens and the earth."
De. 4:32 (Green) says, "the day when created God man on the earth." The AT sign is not used. Why? How is "created God the heavens" different from "created God man"?
Gen. 2:4 (Green) says, "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day of the making of Jehovah God's earth and heavens." There is no AT sign in that sentence, either.
Scripture is God breathed. He gave man this language and inspired the prophets to write using it. Therefore, there is a reason for the use of the AT sign in Gen. 1:1 and for it not being used in De. 4:32. Until I hear a better reason, I will assume that God wanted to insert [the first and the last] in the first sentence of the Bible to balance out Jesus saying, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...the root and the offspring of David" in the last chapter of the Bible (Rev. 22:13,16).
That "Aleph Tau" ("Alef Tav") is a sign in some instances is evident to me. For starters, both the Aleph and the Tau mean sign. My ears perk up at such. God has hidden wisdom for us to search out.
Being the first and last letters in the Hebrew alphabet points directly to YHWH YAHshua/Jesus Christ, who is the first (YHWH) and the last (YAHshua). II Cor. 5:19 tells us that "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself", and he was.
Rev 1:1 tells us that the last book in the Bible is "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." Who he really is will be revealed. This ought to be interesting. John introduced him, and then we hear Jesus speak, saying, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Rev 1:8). YAHshua/Jesus is the Almighty himself.
Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters in the Greek alphabet. The language doesn't matter. He is the first and the last in any language.
That is plain enough. He is YHWH YAHshua, but some still miss its mind-blowing significance.
We know from John 1:1-3 that he is God and was the Creator "In the beginning," so when we turn to the first sentence in the Bible and read from Green's Interlinear, "In the beginning created God (Aleph Tau, the first and the last) the heavens and the earth", it all comes together. The Bible is bookended with the fact that Jesus is the first (YHWH) and the last (YAHshua).
YHWH YAHshua was pre-incarnate in Gen. 1:1 and incarnate in Rev. 22:13. If we can just get hold of this, we have come a long way in understanding our God.
Gen. 1:27 (Green) says, "And created God (AT; i.e., the first [YHWH] and the last [YAHshua, Jesus]) the man in His image."
How was the man created in the image of God? Was it because man is body, soul and spirit? Agape
The only further insight I have gained since I sent this... was your comment that the end of the Tribulation has to be in a leap year otherwise we could not have seven months between Ascension Day and the Start of the Millennial Reign?? In His Love
This sounds like Preterist teachings. They think that all Bible eschatology has already been fulfilled--in 70 AD. To me, it is so obvious that all the things in Revelation did not take place in 70 AD, it is beyond me why anyone can think that they did. Revelation was written in 96 AD. Why would Jesus present things as if they were still future if they had already taken place? It makes no sense to me.
If the 7-year Tribulation (70th week of Dan. 9:27) started in 63 AD, it would have ended in 70 AD. If the Tribulation started in 66 AD, when the Roman-Jewish war began, it would have ended in 73 AD. If it began in 70 AD, it would have ended in 77 AD. Whichever date the Preterists pick, the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 did not impact Earth then. They haven't hit Earth yet. At that time, the dead will not just be in Jerusalem, they will lay around the world. There will be a worldwide earthquake. Every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20).
To believe that this has already taken place requires a third of the Mediterranean Sea to become blood, a third of the life in the sea to die, a third of the ships therein to be destroyed, and that is just the beginning. A little while later, the sea "became as the blood of a dead man: and EVERY LIVING SOUL DIED IN THE SEA" (Rev. 16:3). If this had taken place in the first century, historians would have recorded it. It hasn't happened, so it is still future. Josephus didn't record anything that even comes close to this.
Rev. 8:8-11 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."
When this binary asteroid breaks apart, one piece will fall in the Mediterranean, but the other piece will obliterate Babylon. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Babylon exists today, see below, ample proof that the Preterists are wrong.
When the larger asteroid hits, Zech. 5:4 will be fulfilled. It says, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof." Agape
The last problem U.S. Chief of Staff General Richard Myers was prepared for when he toured Iraq’s most important front last week it was one of linguistics – or rather the surfeit of languages that all but paralyzed a whole warfront....
..."Myers compared the sorry situation along the front the Polish general commanded to the collapse of the biblical Tower of Babel,” one American source told DEBKA-Net-Weekly.
When he read the report, Myers could not avoid noting that Bieneik had 9,500 soldiers from 23 countries under his command. The allies’ communications network in the flashpoint Shiite cities of Najef and Karbala were filled with jabber in no less than 17 languages.
"They were all yapping, but the commander of one national contingent did not have a clue what the commander of any other national contingent was saying,” the report said....
..."WASHINGTON — United Nations special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi will begin choosing leaders of an Iraqi interim government within weeks and hopes to select a prime minister by mid-May, a Bush administration official told a Senate hearing Thursday ... Grossman's comments were the clearest indication yet that Brahimi and the United Nations — rather than the Bush administration — would have extraordinary authority to shape Iraq's new government."...
There’s the Strong’s translation fot the “AT”, I thought you might find it interesting:
H853 'e^th. Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition, even or namely): - (As such unrepresented in English.)
H226 'o^th, Probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.
H225 'u^th, A primitive root; properly to come, that is, (impliedly) to assent: - consent.
The BDB’s translation is also good:
1) sign of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative
Part of Speech: untranslated particle
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: apparent contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity...
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