Pro and Con 1119

Posted 4-29-04

Re: the Jehoash tablet: "Sensation or forgery? Researchers hail dramatic First Temple period finding"

By Nadav Shragai, 4-28-04
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=251230&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

An inscription attributed to Jehoash, the king of Judea who ruled in Jerusalem at the end of the ninth century B.C.E., HAS BEEN AUTHENTICATED by experts from the National Infrastructure Ministry's Geological Survey of Israel following months of examination. The 10-line fragment, which was apparently found on the Temple Mount, is written in the first person on a black stone tablet in ancient Phoenician script. The inscription's description of Temple "house repairs" ordered by King Jehoash strongly resembles passages in the Second Book of Kings, chapter 12.

Dr. Gabriel Barkai, a leading Israeli archaeologist from Bar Ilan University's Land of Israel Studies Department, says that IF THE INSCRIPTION PROVES TO BE AUTHENTIC, THE FINDING IS A "SENSATION" OF THE GREATEST IMPORT. It could be, he says, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ARCHAEOLOGICAL FINDING YET IN JERUSALEM AND THE LAND OF ISRAEL. It would be a first-of-its kind piece of physical evidence describing events in a manner that adheres to the narrative in the Bible....

Detailed research findings about the inscription are to be disclosed in a collection of articles published by the Geology Survey of Israel, a government research institute. Research studies have been prepared by Dr. Shimon Ilani, Dr. Amnon Rosenfeld and Michael Dvorchik, the institute's chief technician who carried out electronic microscope tests of the inscription that, the three say, were LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINDING'S AUTHENTICATION.

...sources have indicated that the writing surfaced in the Temple Mount area as a result of widescale excavation work done in recent years in the area by Muslims, and that Palestinians relayed the fragment to a major collector of antiquities in Jerusalem.

Ilani and Rosenfeld refused yesterday to discuss the Israel Museum's response with Ha'aretz. But OFFICIALS FROM THE GEOLOGY SURVEY SAID THAT RESULTS OF THE BATTERY OF EXAMINATIONS THAT WERE CARRIED OUT MUST BE TAKEN AS CONCLUSIVE: IT'S INCONCEIVABLE THAT SUCH EXTENSIVE TESTING WOULD FAIL TO REVEAL A FORGERY, they said. THE INSCRIPTION IS AUTHENTIC, they insisted, and the finding is an archaeological sensation that could have global repercussions and that effectively vindicates Jewish claims to the Temple Mount....

The researchers believe that the sandstone used for the inscription was brought from southern Jordan, or the Dead Sea region. Materials that covered the inscription over the years date from 200-400 B.C.E., they suggest.

Ilani and Rosenfeld speculate that during this period, the inscription began to be covered up as a buried object. Should this hypothesis be correct, it would mean that the inscription was exposed to the elements for hundreds of years, before being buried some 500-600 years after it was written....

Incoming email, Re: Noah's Ark photo of Summer 2003

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_ark_dgimage01_02.jpg&cap=According%20to%20press%20materials%20supplied%20by%20Shamrock%20--%20The%20Trinity%20Corporation,%20this%20satellite%20view%20shows%20Noah’s%20Ark%20jutting%20out%20from%20the%20snow%20on%20Mt.%20Ararat.%20Image%20Courtesy%20of%20Digital%20Globe

According to press materials supplied by Shamrock -- The Trinity Corporation, this satellite view shows Noah’s Ark jutting out from the snow on Mt. Ararat. Image Courtesy of Digital Globe

Main story: "Anomaly or Noah's Ark?"
By Timothy W. Maier
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=208686

During a routine U.S. Air Force mission over Turkey on June, 17, 1949, cameras captured something strange on the northwest corner of the Western Plateau of Mount Ararat at about 15,500 feet. The excited fliers thought they had stumbled on the ruins of Noah's Ark....

Their superiors reviewed the film, wrote a report and filed it under "Ararat Anomaly," where it remained classified as "Secret" for half a century. In 1993, Porcher Taylor began asking hard questions about the file....

To Taylor's amazement, this professional scholar discovered that in addition to the 1949 military film footage there also were classified photographs of the anomaly snapped by a U-2 spy plane in 1956, high-resolution images taken by the CIA in 1973 using a KH-9 military remote-sensing satellite and even more sophisticated images obtained by the CIA from flyovers in 1976, 1990 and 1992 by an advanced KH-11 satellite.

Indeed, Taylor found evidence of images of the Mount Ararat Anomaly spanning nearly 50 years - and all of it classified. After many thwarted attempts to learn why, Taylor filed Freedom of Information Act requests, which also were rejected. That is, until the Defense Intelligence Agency in Washington released six photo frames from the 1949 military footage....

One of the beneficiaries of this private-sector conversion is Space Imaging, based in Denver. Frustrated in his quest for answers from the U.S. government, Taylor came to Insight with the idea of buying time from Space Imaging, which has the world's only high-resolution, remote-sensing, commercial-satellite cameras capable of shooting images at 1-meter spatial resolution. When the U.S. military and intelligence agencies also denied Insight access to the official images of the Mount Ararat Anomaly, this magazine contracted with Space Imaging to photograph the Western Plateau....

...Ironically, in 1995 a senior Pentagon official had confided to Taylor the then-secret coordinates of the Mount Ararat Anomaly at 39 degrees 42 minutes 10 seconds north longitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes 30 seconds east latitude....

IKONOS snapped a series of photos sufficient for analytical purposes, with the best shots taken on Aug. 5, 11 and 30 and Sept. 13. Space Imaging also located in its archives an Oct. 5, 1999 shot of the approximate area, which Taylor purchased for the project. That shot proved significant because it helped identify snow melt as well as shadowing....

Luck, though, was on Insight's side, because this summer Turkey experienced some of the hottest temperatures in 60 years. Even the thick cloud cover that drapes the mountain disappeared for a few critical days and, as a result, IKONOS had several direct hits - including cloud-free images and enough snow melt clearly to photograph the anomaly stuck in the northwest ledge of the Western Plateau....

But IKONOS found enough of it exposed to snap brilliant bird's-eye images of a three-piece object perched on a ledge in the same general position on the mountain that Sir John Chardin described in his 1711 book, Travels in Persia.

While in the IKONOS shots snow consumes the surrounding mountain terrain, there indeed does appear to be a broken-up rectangular object that juts from the snow as if it had different thermal characteristics, or the snow somehow had failed to fall on that one oddly angled strip of the mountain. When Space Imaging brought up the pictures on its computers, a crowd of curious employees gathered around to see the magnificent digital details. All wanted to know: Did IKONOS find Noah's Ark?

Indeed, it is a question with no easy answer - at least not yet. But history is in the making.... For now, specifically: The object appears to be about 534 feet in length and 80 to 98 feet wide. Its height could not be measured because it is unclear how deep it is seated into the snow and ice. Still, the measurements are comparable to the Ark described in Genesis - 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high. Biblical scholars say a cubit is about 20 inches, which would make the Ark about 500 feet long, 83 feet wide and 50 feet high....

The most recent [IKONOS] photos show a significant melt of the usual snow cover on the Western Plateau of Mount Ararat. In fact, the snow has melted right up to the edge of the anomaly. Judging from the appearance of the anomaly and the way the snow melted, it's apparent that the anomaly is made of a different material than the surrounding terrain."...

My reply

Thanks. Now I understand why a warming trend is melting glaciers, ice shelves, etc. across the world. It is to expose the Ark. What a great sign that will be. Maybe it will be verified as Noah's Ark during the Tribulation.

The story of glacier retreat is the same almost everywhere in the world. I think God is doing this for his own purposes. Here are just a few of the many articles available on the ice retreat.
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Patagonian ice in rapid retreat, By Jonathan Amos
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3662975.stm

...the San Rafael Glacier in Chile, is retreating at an alarming rate...

However, they argue a consistent pattern of recession is beginning to emerge with many ice bodies from the Artic to the tropics.

At San Rafael, the glacier's position was recorded once in the late 1800s as being more than 10km further out into the sea than it is now....

The Nasa-led study, published in the journal Science, looked at ice loss in 63 areas, comparing data from three decades.

The researchers found ice was lost at a rate sufficient to push up ocean waters by 0.04mm per year during the period from 1975 through to 2000....
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South American glaciers' big melt, 17 Oct 03 | Science/Nature
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3200450.stm

The Patagonia glaciers of Chile and Argentina are melting so fast they are making a significant contribution to sea-level rise, say scientists. The team combined data from a space shuttle mission in 2000 and survey data gathered on the ground to study the 63 largest Patagonia ice fields. They compared ice loss rates between 1968 and 1975, and from 1975 to 2000. As well as the general increase in melting, the team also found ACCELERATED ICE-MASS LOSS BETWEEN 1995 AND 2000....
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Melting glaciers threaten Peru, 09 Oct 03 | Americas
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3172572.stm

...In the last three decades, Peruvian glaciers have lost almost a quarter of their area....

"All our estimations on the basis of this data are that in the next 10 years the top tropical glaciers of Peru - and eventually other Andean countries - above 5,500 metres will disappear if climate conditions remain as the last 10 years."...
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Bolivian glaciers shrinking fast, By Andrew Enever 10 Dec 02 | Sci/Tech
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2559633.stm

...Data collected from tropical ice fields near the world's highest capital, La Paz, show mass loss in the 1990s at rates 10 times greater than previous decades....
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Sea level rises 'underestimated'. By Jonathan Amos 17 Feb 02
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2002/boston_2002/1825283.stm

..."The glacier wastage at the moment is unprecedented"...

"In some glaciers, like the South Cascade Glacier in Washington that I have studied for years, we know that the present rate of melting is greater than it ever has been for the last 5,000 years."...
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Alaskan glaciers melting faster, 18 Jul 02 | Sci/Tech
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2137205.stm

...The contribution from Alaska's glaciers to the worldwide sea level rise "is even more that what we had expected"...
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Webquest: Iceberg Ahead!...
express.howstuffworks.com/wq-iceberg.htm

A 12,000- year-old ice shelf in Antarctica recently collapsed.

(MJA note: It was the Larsen B Ice Shelf, largest in history, the size of Rhode Island. It broke off the Ross Ice Shelf and split into 1000s of icebergs floating in the Weddell Sea in March, 2000. Larsen A broke off in 1995. Antarctic sea ice is expected to halve by the end of this century.)
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Melting ice cap, melting glaciers (disappearing rivers and lakes).
www.awitness.org/journal/melt_ice_cap_glacier.html

On Thursday, October 23rd, 2003, NASA released composite images which show the retreat of the arctic ice cap over the last two decades...

In the last two decades, temperatures have been rising in the arctic at a rate 20 times faster than the warming that occured over the previous century, and the thickness of the ice sheet has decreased by about half (down from 15 feet in the 1980s to 8 feet in 2003)....
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Melting Himalayan Glaciers May Doom Towns news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/ 05/0501_020502_himalaya.html

Dozens of mountain lakes in Nepal and Bhutan are so swollen from melting glaciers that they could burst their seams in the next five years and devastate many...

Studies done by the Geological Survey of India have revealed that, on average, glaciers in India have been receding at the rate of about 15 meters (about 50 feet) every year....

Zoom picture of "Noah's Ark

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/zoomviewer/index.php?display_img=ararat
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At first, I thought the dark spot looked like a meteorite hit beside the Ark, splashing dirty snow over the top of the Ark and over clean snow on the rest of the perimeter where it entered. Thinking, I sure would like to throw a light into that black area ahead where it might have exploded--then it hit me, OR, what's that above? is it a smoking volcano? Yes! This must be a burping volcanic steam vent. The location of the blow hole probably changes from time to time, like gas bubbles breaking in the lake at the Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles.

Noah's Ark Found? Turkey Expedition Planned for Summer

Hillary Mayell, 4-27-04
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0427_040427_noahsark.html

Satellite pictures taken last summer of Mount Ararat in Turkey may reveal the final resting place of Noah's ark, according to Daniel McGivern, the businessman and Christian activist behind a planned summer 2004 expedition to investigate the site.

"We're telling people we're 98 percent sure," said McGivern, a member of the Hawaii Christian Coalition. "In one image we saw the beams, saw the wood. I'm convinced that the excavation of the object and the results of tests run on any collected samples will prove that it is Noah's ark....

"Last year was the hottest summer in Europe since 1500; more than 21,000 people died of the heat wave," McGivern said. "The summer melt was far more extensive than it has been in years."...

Mount Ararat (its name probably a corrupted version of Urartu) has been the focus of those seeking the ark because it—at 17,000 feet (5,165 meters)—is the highest point in the area.

A VOLCANIC MOUNTAIN, Ararat is covered by an icecap from 14,000 feet (4,300 meters) to 17,000 feet (5,200 meters). The icecap is about 17 square miles (44 square kilometers) in size and is as deep as 300 feet (90 meters)....

"THE ARK IS BROKEN INTO A MINIMUM OF THREE PIECES, UP TO SIX, FROM A HUGE EARTHQUAKE THAT OCCURRED IN 1840. But it's been miraculously preserved. The satellite imagery shows vertical beams, and one horizontal beam," McGivern said....

Expedition Will Seek to Find Noah's Ark

By HOPE YEN, AP 4-26-04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45184-2004Apr26?language=printer

...A joint U.S.-Turkish team of 10 explorers plans to make the arduous trek up Turkey's tallest mountain, at 17,820 feet, from July 15 to August 15 (2004)...

The goal: to enter what they believe to be a mammoth structure some 45 feet high, 75 feet wide and up to 450 feet long that was exposed in part by last summer's heat wave in Europe.

"We are not excavating it. We are not taking any artifacts. We're going to photograph it and, God willing, you're all going to see it," McGivern said....

Geologists say even though there is evidence of a flood in Mesopotamia in Sumerian times, it is not possible for a ship to make landfall at an altitude as high as Mount Ararat....

My comment

As for me, when Gen. 7:20 says, "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and THE MOUNTAINS WERE COVERED," I believe it. The 7-year trial that is to come upon the whole world (Rev. 3:10) would be a wonderful time to demonstrate that it is possible.

Incoming email, Re: questions

Thank you for your website, it is incredibly interesting and I love reading it.

My family and I are looking for the soon return of Jesus our Lord and have felt in our spirit for the last 5 or so years that judgment was near and it starts in the house of God. We are studying to understand the times we live in and I have some questions:

I have always thought that the “falling away” in II Thes.2:3 was the falling away of believers from the church into a belief of a lie like the new age belief that there is more than one way to God the father. Is this not the meaning of the “falling away”? I looked up apostasy and found the greek meaning apostasia apo= away and stasis=a standing. As you know, “standing” kind of has a double meaning in the English language it either can mean “physically standing in a place” or it could mean “where you are in your thoughts on a particular subject, like changing your mind on spiritual beliefs”

My question is “What does the greek word apostasia “away” and “the standing” mean in II Thes. 2:3? Not being a Greek scholar, I have no idea and was wondering if you knew.

Secondly
What is the “day of Christ”? Is it the “Day of our Lord”? and why does the day of the Lord mean, I’ve read it’s the pre-trib rapture. . . It seems relatively clear that in the beginning of the II Thes. passage Paul is talking about two different events “ our gathering together unto Him” and “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”

Thirdly, and please forgive my ignorance on this subject, but I thought the anti-christ is the one that would show himself as God? Not the false prophet, I thought the false prophet would be setting up the anti-christ to be shown as God by doing “lying wonders”

Fourthly, when did Paul tell the Thessalonians “these things” ? I have searched and never found where he told them this, do you know?...

Thank you for your time in this response

My reply

I appreciate your kind words.

> > My question is “What does the greek word apostasia “away” and “the standing” mean in II Thes. 2:3?

Apostasia has the article, so it is "the away from, "the departing," "the departure," i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture, not some general apostacy of the church. The Liddell Scott lexicon says that it is defection, revolt, DEPARTURE or DISAPPEARANCE.

Apostasia, or similar words, meaning something separative, as in a divorce, are used in Mark 10:4, Mt. 19:7, Mt. 5:31 and Acts 21:21.

Mark 10:4 says, "Moses suffered to write a bill of DIVORCEMENT (apostacion), and to PUT her AWAY" (apoluo, [let] DEPART, [send] AWAY).

Strong's definition for "apoluo" says "...(let) DEPART, dismiss, divorce, forgive, let go, loose, put (SEND) AWAY, release, set at liberty."

Mt. 19:7 says, "Why did Moses then command to give a writing of DIVORCEMENT (apostacion), and to PUT her AWAY?" (apoluo, [let] DEPART).

Mat 5:31 says, "Whosoever shall PUT AWAY (apoluo) his wife, let him give her a writing of DIVORCEMENT " (apostacion).

Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to FORSAKE (apostasia, DEPART FROM) Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs."

Luke 2:29 says, "Lord, now lettest thou thy servant DEPART (apoluo) in peace, according to thy word".

Acts 23:22 says, "So the chief captain then let the young man DEPART (apoluo)".

> > What is the “day of Christ”? Is it the “Day of our Lord”? and why does the day of the Lord mean, I’ve read it’s the pre-trib rapture. . . It seems relatively clear that in the beginning of the II Thes. passage Paul is talking about two different events “our gathering together unto Him” and “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”

I think both the Day of Christ and the Day of the Son of Man represent a Rapture. The days of Christ and days of the Son of Man include both the Pre-Trib and the Pre-Wrath Raptures. Phil. 1:10 says, "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and WITHOUT OFFENSE till the DAY OF CHRIST" (the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Phil. 2:16 says, "Holding forth the word of life; that I (Paul) may rejoice in the DAY OF CHRIST (the Pre-Trib Rapture), that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

2 Thess. 2:2 should say DAY OF THE LORD. Almost all major MSS have DAY OF THE LORD." That is the first day of the Millennium and the Day of God's Wrath. The NAB says, "not to be shaken out of your minds suddenly, or to be alarmed either by a "spirit," or by an oral statement, or by a letter allegedly from us to the effect that the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand."

2Th 2:3,4 (Hebrew Names Version, HNV) says, "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture), and the man of sin (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) is revealed (second, when he signs the strengthened peace covenant), the son of destruction (apoleia, perdition), he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God (Mid-Trib), setting himself up as God."

His rule in full power starts when Satan is cast out of Heaven down to the Earth Mid-Trib (Rev. 12:7-9). At that time, he will become Satan-possessed and will speak "as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11).

Rev. 17:8 says, "The beast (Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot (John 17:12), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9), and go into perdition (the False Prophet, II Thess. 2:3): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was (in Judas), and is not (in man now), and yet is" (exists).

> > Thirdly, and please forgive my ignorance on this subject, but I thought the anti-christ is the one that would show himself as God? Not the false prophet, I thought the false prophet would be setting up the anti-christ to be shown as God by doing “lying wonders”

Here is the way I understand it. The first beast of Rev. 13 comes out of the sea, i.e., peoples and nations (Rev. 17:15). Like the Polish John Paul II, I think the first beast is a Pope that is from some other nation, not Italy. He also comes out of The Holy See (officially, the State of the Vatican City). Holy See is from the Latin Sancta Sedes, Holy Chair.

This Tribulation Pope is the 6th head of the great red dragon. Rev. 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen (kings of 1. Babel, 2. Babylon, 3. Media-Persia, 4. Greece and 5. Imperial Rome), and one is (6. the Pope in power over Ecclesiastic Rome at the time of the Rapture), and the other (7. the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh (i.e., to full Satan-possessed power Mid-Trib), he must continue a short space" (the shortened Great Tribulation).

The first beast of Rev. 13 is in power when the Rapture takes place, for when he is left behind, he opens "his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM (the wise virgins) THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN."

The second beast of Rev. 13 is Satan-possessed. I think he is the final Antichrist.

Rev. 13:11,12 says, "I beheld ANOTHER beast coming up out of the earth (probably Israel, not out of the Holy See); and he had two horns (two comings to power) like a lamb (Christ), and he spake as a dragon (because he's Satan-possessed). And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before (enopion, in the face of, in the presence of) him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast (the Tribulation Pope), whose deadly wound was healed."

I take it to mean that, like John Paul II, the Tribulation Pope survives an assassination attempt. Rev. 13:3 says, "I saw one of his (Satan, the great red dragon's) heads (#6) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

Mt. 28:19 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". This trinity is the Godhead. In John 4:23, the Son of God said, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." We are to worship the Father, but not to make idols.

The Satanic trinity is the Father (Pope), the False Prophet, "son of perdition" (II Thess. 2:3), and Satan. The False Prophet promotes worship of the Father, the Pope. The False Prophet says "that they should make an image to the beast (Father, Pope), which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) had power (Satan's) to give life (seemingly, not actually) unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast (the Father, Tribulation Pope) should be killed" (Rev. 13:15).

When the False Prophet, the "son of perdition," comes to full power Mid-Trib, he will sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). That day, he will kill Moses and Elijah, probably because they won't bow down to "the image of the beast".

I John 2:22 says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

> > Fourthly, when did Paul tell the Thessalonians “these things” ? I have searched and never found where he told them this, do you know?

Not everything is recorded, else the whole world could not hold the books. However, Paul told them about the Rapture in I Thess. 4:13-18. In 5:3-4, Paul showed that even at that time, they already knew "perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall NOT ESCAPE. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." Paul had instructed them even before this time. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Fresh approach

Some times we have accepted something in our minds for so long that we can't seem to except any other possibility. Hopefully I can help and break that mold of old thinking and give you some new food for thought.

The shortened tribulation is not shortened. (Matt 24:22)
BUT the elect of God are removed from the tribulation, FOR THEM it was shortened, but the tribulation went on as per the appointed time.
QUESTION: How long is the shortened time.
ANSWER: (Rev 2:10) You shall have tribulation 10 days.

Interestingly the Lord had shown me a while ago that we will only have 10 days tribulation.
A few days later while sitting in a restaurant with a friend and sharing the end days with him, the Holy Spirit brought to my remembrance the scripture in (Rev 2:10)
At first my friend thought I was beside my self, because I lifted my hands and struck my palms on my forehead and shouted "That's It ! The 10 days are spoken in revelations."

Hope that helps a bit.
Your date of 23 May is not the same date I have chosen, but it's close very close.
Jerusalem will be your count down, keep your eyes on Jerusalem. God bless

My reply

> > The shortened tribulation is not shortened. (Matt 24:22) BUT the elect of God are removed from the tribulation, FOR THEM it was shortened, but the tribulation went on as per the appointed time.

Mt. 24:20-22 is set in the middle of the 7-year Tribulation. When the idol is placed at the temple by the False Prophet in verse 15, 1260 days of the Tribulation have already passed.

Jesus says to the Tribulation saints, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION (the second half of the 7-year Tribulation), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days (the second 1260 days, Rev. 12:6,14) should be shortened, there should NO FLESH be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

If the second half of the 7-year Tribulation was not shortened, there would be NO FLESH ON EARTH AT ALL. There would be a mass extinction.

At Mid-Trib, there is a remnant of Israel "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:17). They are Messianic Jews. For their sake, the Great Tribulation is shortened.

At that time, there are foolish virgins on Earth, and many new converts. For the elect's sake, the Great Tribulation is shortened. It looks like it will be shortened by 220 days (2520 - 2300 = 220).

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (1260-day first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (1040-day last half)? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (1260 + 1040 = 2300). Agape

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