Pro and Con 1121

Posted 5-6-04

APOD info on the May comets

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http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Explanation: Comet Bradfield is easy to see on the left, but can you find Comet LINEAR on the right? Last week, just before sunrise from the northern hemisphere, two bright comets were visible in the same part of the sky at the same time. The above long-exposure image was taken on the morning of April 25 from Joshua Tree National Park in California, USA. Comet C/2004 F4 (Bradfield) is giving an unexpectedly good show as it recedes from the Sun and Earth and fades from view. It's tail is estimated by some to be about 10 degrees long. Having just rounded the Sun itself, Comet C/2002 T7 (LINEAR) is now moving toward the Earth. Although intrinsically fading, T7 will appear to brighten until about mid-May and so continue to be visible to the unaided eye before sunrise to southern hemisphere observers into June. Q4, the third coincidental naked eye comet, will become visible in mid-May to northern hemisphere observers.

Incoming email, Re. "Ascension thru Pentecost" from Five Doves site

Ernest Nickle (30 Apr 2004)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2004/ernestn430.htm

My reply

> > The two witnesses could be the 2 men mentioned on Ascension day and not angels.

That sounds right to me. It doesn't say "angels."
Re: the Ascension, Acts 1:10 says, "TWO MEN stood by them IN WHITE APPAREL."
Re: the Transfiguration, Luke 9:30,31 says, "there talked with him TWO MEN, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared IN GLORY".

Moses and Elijah will come when we are raptured. They are to prophesy during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation.

On Ascension Day, the TWO MEN said, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11). Jesus didn't come that day, but he sent the Comforter 10 days later, on Pentecost.

I thought the Rapture would be on Pentecost for a long time. However, the 2300-day Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14,26) before Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010) would start Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004), not Pentecost (Sivan 6 or 7).

On Ascension Day, YHWH YAHshua, Jesus Christ, "was taken up; and a CLOUD received him out of their sight" (Acts 1:9).

At Mt. Sinai, "the LORD (YHWH) said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick CLOUD " (Ex. 19:9). In verse 16, He came down, "and a thick CLOUD (was) upon the mount".

There are several parallels between the first Rapture and Israel at Mt. Sinai (Ex. 19:9-20). The Pre-Trib Rapture is the FIRST TRUMP. The FIRST TRUMPET of the Bible sounded at Mt. Sinai.

I Thess. 4:16,17 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

We find out that there is LIGHTNING AND THUNDER on the day of the Rapture too. Rev. 4:1 says, "behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first VOICE which I heard (Christ's, Rev. 1:10) was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER". Verse 5 says, "out of the throne proceeded LIGHTNINGS and THUNDERINGS."

Let's compare these things with the account at Mt. Sinai. Verse 1 tells us that they arrived "In the third month" (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Sivan 1).

Ex.19:10-20 says, "the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY (Sivan 1) and TO MORROW (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the THIRD DAY (Sivan 3): for THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai...when the TRUMPET soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount. And Moses...said unto the people, BE READY AGAINST THE THIRD DAY...And IT CAME TO PASS ON THE THIRD DAY...that there were THUNDERS and LIGHTNINGS, and A THICK CLOUD upon the mount, and the VOICE of the TRUMPET exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the voice of the TRUMPET sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a VOICE. AND THE LORD CAME DOWN upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and THE LORD CALLED MOSES UP to the top of the mount; and MOSES WENT UP."

That sounds like a good type of the Rapture, and the Lord came down on Sivan 3.

In our days, Sivan 3, 5764 (Sunday, May 23, 2004) is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before Tishri 1, 5771 (Thursday, Sept. 9, 2010), when I think the shortened Tribulation will end. That year, 5771, is a Jewish Leap Year, and there would be the necessary 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between Tishri 1, Day of God's Wrath, and the following Nisan 1, the Second Advent on the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. Israel will bury the bodies during those 7 months to cleanse the land for Christ's return in glory.

The only other day that could fit this scenario seems to be Sivan 3, 5767 (Sunday, May 20, 2007). It is 2300 days before Tishri 1, 5774 (Thursday, Sept. 5, 2013). The year 5774 is also a leap year.

I pick Sivan 3, 5764, because Saturn (Heaven) is in Gemini (twins) now, right where the Bride of Christ sits on the ecliptic with her Bridegroom. Eph. 2:6 says that he "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." On May 23, 2004, Mars and Saturn will be in conjunction in Gemini too. Jupiter will be in Leo, which represents Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

Saturn takes 29.5 years to come back to that spot again. I think the Rapture will be while Saturn is in Gemini this time. She will leave Gemini around July 1, 2005.

In Mt. 24:37, Jesus said, "as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Saturn was in Gemini when Noah went into the Ark in 1656 AH (2387 BC), the Lord shut him in, and he was floated up. Jupiter was in Leo at that time too.

Saturn was also in Gemini during the Crucifixion, Resurrection, Ascension and Pentecost in 30 AD. Jesus, the Bridegroom, ascended to Heaven (Saturn) when it was in Gemini. I think we will too. Maybe the Holy Spirit will return to empower Tribulation saints on Pentecost as he did Church saints in 30 AD.

Since there is thunder on the first and last days of the 2300, and none in between them, I now think the two Raptures (Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath) will probably take place on the first and last days of the 2300, Sivan 3, 5764 (Sunday, May 23, 5764) and Tishri 1, 5771 (Thursday, Sept. 9, 2010).

II Thess. 2:7,8 shows that the Holy Spirit will hinder "until he be taken out of the way. And then (tote, at the same time) shall that Wicked (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed." Therefore, I think the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way at the Pre-Trib Rapture on the first day of the 2300-day Tribulation, May 23, 2004.

I Thess. 4:14-18 says, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will GOD (i.e., YHWH YAHshua, Jesus Christ) bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (i.e., precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words."

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Let us, "who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation (soteria, RESCUE). For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together" (I Thess. 5:8,9).

1 Thess. 1:10 says, "wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come." Agape

Incoming email

Do you believe there will be two raptures? Pre-trib and pre-wrath? How so?

My reply

Yes. I feel sure that there are two Raptures, the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture. There are two trumps of God to call up saints. The first "trump of God" is in I Thess. 4:16. The "last trump" is in I Cor. 15:51,52.

At the first "trump of God," the dead in Christ are "raised in incorruption...It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body" (I Cor. 15:42,44).

When the complete Body of Christ is brought together at the "last trump", "we (including Paul) shall all be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality" (I Cor. 15:51-53).

"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7). The type of the two trumps of God is in Nu. 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the 24 elders, Rev. 4:4), shall gather themselves unto thee." When the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) are told to "Come up hither", the wise Philadelphian virgins are caught up with them.

When the Tribulation saints are to be called up, the first trumpet sounds again. That's probably why the second Rapture is called up by "the last trump," instead of the second trump. We read of the sounding again of the first trumpet in Mt. 24:31. It says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Notice that it does not say from the Earth. This second sounding of the first trumpet is to gather the saints that were caught up in the first Rapture to the "general assembly and church of the firstborn...in heaven" (Heb. 12:23). This is Coronation Day. Christ will be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords. The Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ will follow. The saints in Heaven will receive their rewards as the unbelievers on Earth receive their just rewards for their unbelief (Rev. 11:17-19).

Mark 13:27 tells us the same thing as Mt. 24:31, with one exception. The Tribulation saints are gathered from the Earth. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those wise virgins that were caught up 2300 days before this in the Pre-Trib Rapture. This is when we all will be changed and made immortal. What we have now by promise, we will actually possess that day.

Thunder is heard on the day of the first trump and on the day of the last trump, but not in between. In Rev. 4:1, Christ says, "come up hither" in a voice like "a trumpet talking." In verse 5, "lightnings and thunderings and voices" are heard. In Rev. 6:1, there is "as it were the noise of thunder" as the Tribulation starts when the first seal on the Title Deed of the Earth is broken. Therefore the first Rapture seems to be on the first day of the 2300-day Tribulation.

The first trumpet of the Bible was at Mt. Sinai. I think it is a type of the Pre-Trib Rapture on Sivan 3 (May 23, 2004). The Israelites arrived "In the third month" (chodesh, new Moon, i.e., Sivan 1). In Ex. 19:10,11, "the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day (Sivan 1) and to morrow (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day (Sivan 3): for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai." Verses 20 and 21 say, "And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up (type of the Pre-Trib Rapture). And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down (type of Moses returning to Earth at the Rapture to prophesy with Elijah during the first 1260 days of the 2300-day Tribulation), charge the people (that are left behind), lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish." "So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them" (v. 25). Verse 16 says, "And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud."

I think the last trump of God will sound on the last day of the 2300-day Tribulation. It will call up the Tribulation saints just before the 7 judgment trumpets are sounded by 7 angels. We are not appointed to wrath, so the Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place during the night or morning. The Wrath of God, the 2 asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8 and 10, will strike Earth at noon.

Zeph. 2:2-5 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (i.e., raptured) in the day of the LORD's anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

Maybe this is why the Jews are being withdrawn from Gaza today--for their own good. The burning mountain of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea. Woe, woe to the inhabitants of the sea coast in that day.

The 2300 days are found in Dan. 8:13,14. It says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (the Jews sacrifice during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (the False Prophet's desecration of the temple Mid-Trib, II Thess 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Dan. 8:26 says, "when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance (the False Prophet), and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (by Satan's, he's Satan-possessed): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ); but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

Israel is busy building a wall now. Eze. 13:11-15 says, "Say unto them which daub it (the wall) with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower (a tsunami); and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it."

Israel should trust the Lord for their protection, not the wall. Isa. 30:15 says, "For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not."

When Gog's army attacks Israel, bringing up his fury in his face, there will be "unwalled villages" (Eze. 38:11,18). On this day, the asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Eze. 38:20 says, "So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground." Agape

My comments, Re: What is it About the Third Day?

Jesus was resurrected on the third day. Jonah was resurrected on the third day. Why? Is it because Christ will come down to get his Bride on Sivan 3? It is making more sense all the time.

Ex. 19:11,16 says, "be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down...And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled."

Watch out foolish virgins. Don't wait until it's too late. Lev. 7:18 says, "if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity."

II Kings 20:5 says, "tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the LORD."

Esther 5:1 says, "Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house."

Hosea 6:2 says, "After two days (Sivan 1 and 2?) will he revive us: in the third day (Sivan 3?) he will raise us up (resurrection and rapture), and we shall live in his sight."

Incoming email

> > Saturn takes 29.5 years to come back to that spot again. I think the Rapture will be while Saturn is in Gemini this time. She will leave Gemini around July 1, 2005.

Hi, is this year a Jewish leap year? Also,does this Jewish leap--if it is,end before July 1, 2005. If it does,then it would have (most likely) to be this year.I do not see things going on for another 29.5 years.

And,with all the heavenly signs and wonders we've had and are having--SOMETHINGS UP!!!
GOOD JOB FAITHFUL SERVANT

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

This year of 5764 is not a Jewish Leap Year; 5765, 5768 and 5771 are Leap Years. It is the ending year of the shortened Tribulation that needs to be a Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II. This is because the Jews bury the bodies to cleanse the land for 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13). These 7 months are between God's Wrath on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1. Here are a few scriptures.

God's Wrath is on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, first day of the Jewish Civil Year

Mal. 2:1-3 says, "O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD (YHWH) of hosts (the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6, i.e., YHWH YAHshua, Jesus Christ), I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it."

The Millennial reign of Christ begins as the Day of the Lord arrives on the Feast of Trumpets. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty (Jesus Christ, Rev. 1:8; Isa. 9:6) shall it come." Joel 2:1-3 says of that day, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army is attacking Israel); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Eze. 38:18-20 tells us about that day, It says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

The 7-month interval

Eze. 38:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (he will return in glory at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

I believe that the Second Advent is on the next Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year. Jesus will begin his rule on Earth on the same day all the other Israelite kings did, Nisan 1.

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The Former Rain starts on Tishri 1. The Latter Rain starts on Nisan 1. De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain." Agape

Incoming email

Recent Astronomy Picture(s) of the Day astounding Signs in The Heaven of heavens

15 April 2004 Venus (the evening star) & the Pleides - http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040415.html

30 April 2004 Eyeful of Saturn - http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040430.html

01 May 2004 A Western Sky @ Twilight w/ Saturn, the moon, Mars, & Venus - http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040501.html An incoming email in Pro & Con 1045 from the Clouds of Glory Forum from an author who signs off as ysiC was so important I decided to remind you of what this individual wrote in relationship to the NEW MOON & the Spiritual Application of Rosh Hoshanah & is as follows . . . . . "Spiritual Application (Halacha). ROSH HASHANAH takes place on the new moon. Colossians 2:16-17 says that the new moon will teach about the Messiah. The Jewish (biblical) month is based upon a lunar cycle. The moon can barely be seen as the cycle begins. But then the moon turns toward the sun and begins to reflect the light of the sun. The sun in the sky is a picture of Yeshua (Malachi [Malachie] 4:2),and the moon is a picture of the believers in the Messiah. The sun has its own light, but the moon`s light is a reflection of the sun. When we first become believers in Yeshua, we can hardly be seen spiritually, and we know very little about G-d. But then our lives begin to revolve around the Messiah as the moon revolves around the sun. As we begin to turn more and more toward the center of creation, we begin to reflect that light (Yeshua) more and more, just as the moon reflects the light from the center of the solar system."

Marilyn your commentary is correct when you suggest Pentecost as an OPEN DOOR such as 1 Thess. 4:16-18, Rev. 3:8, Rev. 4:1, Rev. 5:9. Whereas Rosh Hoshanah reflects a SHUT DOOR perspective such as 1 Cor. 15:51-53, James 5:9, Rev. 3:20, Rev. 7:9.

27 April 2004 Eyes to the Sky for Celestial Fiesta, Party in the Sky - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1504&ncid=1504&e=10&u=/afp/20040427/ts_afp/space_astronomy_040427064827 Hope all is well. Please post these very relevent links on your website as I know you understand the SIGNificance.
AGAPE & MARANATHA

My reply

> > ROSH HASHANAH takes place on the new moon. Colossians 2:16-17 says that the new moon will teach about the Messiah.

Col. 2:16,17 says, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

I think Christ's two comings are on the new moon. Hos. 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain arrives on Tishri 1. The latter rain arrives on Nisan 1. Agape

Watching Peres

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/headlines.asp

5-4-04...Opposition leader Shimon Peres of the dovish Labor Party rejected the amended plan, saying the Likud would never accept it. "Everything he [Sharon] can get approved won`t be serious, and everything that`s serious won`t get approved," Peres said, adding that the only alternative is early elections. "The only way is to return to the people, to ask the people what they want."...
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Dan. 5:28 says, "PERES; Thy kingdom is divided."

Incoming email, Re: "Temple Mount", a misnomer?

Oh, I have been in a real quandary about whether Temple Mount is indeed the site of Herod the Great's Temple. Too, I wondered why any Jew would not fight to the death over this piece of consecrated ground (if indeed it is the original site of Herod the Great's temple). Is there something else going on here? If the actual temple site is located else where, why the confusion? … Or why the deception? (Perhaps there are those who still have a hard time accepting that the carpenter from Nazareth really is the "I AM" and that His prophecy was fulfilled?) For myself, I am inclined to think that "Temple Mount" is a misnomer and that it is not this site of Herod the Great's temple. Moreover, I believe that the temple was razed to the ground, and that the foundation stones were over-turned just as Jesus Christ said they would be.

No doubt you are well-versed with the temple site issue. I read a 'Rense.com' article, "Noted Biblical Scholar Says 'Temple Mount' is a myth!" (10-29-00), that a fellow by the name of Ernest L. Martin, PHD had written. It is interesting to consider that you have the prophecy of Jesus Christ that "…there shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down." (Matthew 24:1,2; Mark 13:1,2; Luke 19:43,44; 21:5,6.) and the historical record of Josephus and General Titus who testified to the complete destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. Still you find those who insist in these modern days, what is probably Fort Antonia, rather is the actual site of Herod the Great's temple. It is a very sad thing to see a Jew fervently praying to the G_d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob while standing at the wall of the structure where the troops of Rome were garrisoned; the home of the men who reduced the temple and Jerusalem to complete destruction; the men who slaughtered a million Jews. Imagine all those notes with fervent prayers tucked in to the rocky crevices of the fortress dedicated to the profane gods of the Roman Empire. It is only fitting that the Dome of the Rock and the "Al Aska" mosque is built there. Is it not? Was it not the site where Mars and other gods were praised at the destruction of the Jewish temple? Possibly it is quite fitting that the tribulation temple would be built there; a temple built to honor the god of the resurrected Rome? Oh the grief Jesus Christ must feel! The rejection by His people. I feel sadness for my Lord's broken heart. I must say, I feel that there is deception being perpetrated over this "Temple Mount" site. I believe that the prophecy of Jesus Christ was literally fulfilled and Josephus and General Titus were fully capable of correctly assessing the destruction. Does a Christian really have any other option than to believe that Herod the Great's temple was completely and totally destroyed? YBIC

My reply

I think the extensions Herod made to the temple mount identify it correctly. It is my understanding that he built massive walls and filled them up with soil to enlarge the temple mount. I don't think there is any other site that can compare with it. Josephus said that the Tower of Antonia was north of the temple. The outer wall of the temple had to overlook the Kidron Valley, because that is where James was killed after being pushed off of the corner of the wall above. Many of the massive stones Herod used in the wall are finished with an inscribed line near the outer edges of the face. They can be identified today. Exactly where the temple was located on the mount is a subject of argument.

> > I believe that the temple was razed to the ground, and that the foundation stones were over-turned just as Jesus Christ said they would be.

That's correct. The temple stones were disturbed because liquid gold ran down between the stones during the fire. However, those stones are not the same as the stones of the outer perimeter walls that still exist.

> > It is only fitting that the Dome of the Rock and the "Al Aska" mosque is built there. Is it not?

No. it's not fitting at all. It is the work of Satan.

> > Does a Christian really have any other option than to believe that Herod the Great's temple was completely and totally destroyed?

The temple ediface itself was destroyed, and the stones did not remain one upon another. That does not mean that the perimeter walls of the mount were brought down. Agape

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