Pro and Con 1123

Posted 5-13-04

Dying star sculpts rungs of gas and dust

SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE NEWS RELEASE, 5-11-04
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0405/11hubble/

Astronomers may not have observed the fabled "Stairway to Heaven," but they have photographed something almost as intriguing: LADDER-LIKE STRUCTURES surrounding a dying star....

Also remarkable are straight features that APPEAR LIKE RUNGS ON A LADDER, making the Red Rectangle look similar to a spider web, a shape unlike that of any other known nebula in the sky....

My comment

It's gorgeous. The "features that APPEAR LIKE RUNGS ON A LADDER" remind me of Jacob's ladder too.

There will be Signs in the Sun, Moon and Constellations, Luke 21:25,28

There "shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (UN, Rev. 17:15) and the waves (individual nations) roaring....And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (i.e., the Rapture) draweth nigh."

I ran Sky and Telescope's Interactive Sky Chart from April 23, 2004 to May 26, Pentecost, and found something interesting. On April 23, Saturn was in Gemini. Mars, Venus and the Moon were in a huddle in Taurus. Below is the 4-23-04 chart from YourSky.

After that, Mars left Venus behind and started its march toward Saturn. When Mars and Saturn are close together like twins, the Moon will join them on May 22.

Sivan 3, the same date when the Lord came down upon Mt. Sinai in Exodus 19, starts at 6 PM on May 22, 2004. The huddle of Saturn, Mars and the Moon in Gemini could be a neat sign of the Rapture. And here's the icing on the cake. Comet NEAT will be directly overhead looking down upon the trio in Gemini. YourSky's chart for 5-22-04 follows. Below it is a chart showing about where comet NEAT will be.

At the Rapture, Eph.2:5,6, we will be able to say, He "hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:5,6). I think Saturn is Heaven and Gemini is the Pre-Trib Rapture sign. In Gemini, Christ the Bridegroom sits on the ecliptic in heavenly places with his Bride. Saturn is in Gemini now, a perfect time for the Rapture. After Saturn leaves Gemini, it will take 29.5 years for her to travel to that same point again.

The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Saturn was in Gemini, and Jupiter was in Leo, when Noah went into the Ark, and the Lord closed the door. Saturn was in Gemini at the Crucifixion, Resurrection, Ascension and Pentecost in 30 AD too. Jupiter was in Pisces then.

THE MOON, SATURN AND MARS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER IN GEMINI on May 22. It is the Saturday Sabbath, when long trips were forbidden. A short trip was called a Sabbath day's journey.

However, Sunday, Sivan 3, begins at 6 PM on May 22, 2004. Will the saints be resurrected before morning on the first day of the week as Jesus was? It looks like the Moon is calling our attention to Saturn and Mars in Gemini that night. By the next night, the Moon will have moved up near the star Pollux in Gemini. The star Pollux, which means WHO COMES TO LABOR AND SUFFER, is in the head of the Bridegroom, CHRIST. Al Henah, meaning the HURT OR AFFLICTED, is in the foot of Pollux, also depicting Christ. Will we, like the Moon, move up to join Christ on Sivan 3 too? By Sivan 6, Pentecost, the Moon has left Gemini and joined Jupiter in Leo. The picture seems best on the evening of May 22, 2004.

High Winds Aloft on Saturn

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA05384

...In the movie (at the above site), atmospheric motions can be seen most clearly in the equatorial region and at other southern latitudes. Saturn's equatorial region seems disturbed in the same way that it has been for the past decade, as revealed by observations from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. Researchers have speculated that the bright cloud patterns there are associated with water-moist convection arising from a deeper atmospheric level where water condenses on Saturn, and rising to levels at or above the visible cloud tops....

My comments

That may be the cause, but it seems to me that the assorted sizes of the ice crystals in the ring system could easily cause the dancing shadows below Saturn's equator. In these pictures, the ring-system is over exposed to bring out more detail on Saturn.

At the time of the first Rapture, Rev. 4:6 says, "before the throne (on Saturn) there was a sea of glass like unto crystal (the ring system)." In v. 8, the 24 elders have "harps". The sea of glass and harps are mentioned at the time of both Raptures. Both groups are caught up to Heaven, Saturn.

At the time of the second Rapture, Rev. 14:2 says, "I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps." Rev. 15:2 says, "And I saw as it were a sea of glass (the rings) mingled with fire (reflecting sunlight?): and them (the Tribulation saints) that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Harps are a symbol of the redeemed. In the constellation Gemini, the Bride is holding a harp. In Lyra, the eagle flying the harp upward pictures the redeemed being flown upward. It's a nice touch that the Ring Nebula is in Lyra too.

At the Rapture, our youth will be renewed. Psa. 103:5 says, "Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's."

In Exodus 19:1, the Israelites arrived at Mt. Sinai "In the third month" (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Sivan 1. Verse 4 says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself." That suggests the Rapture.

In Ex. 19:3, "Moses went up to God." That reminds me that Moses is in Heaven now, but will return to Earth with Elijah at the Pre-Trib Rapture. True to the type, verse 7 says, "And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him." This suggests his 1260 days of prophesying during the first half of the Tribulation.

Verses 10 and 11 say, "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day (Sivan 1) and to morrow (Sivan 2), and let them wash their clothes (i.e., repent and confess their sins). And be ready against the third day (Sivan 3); for the third day the LORD will come down".

Is this why Jesus was resurrected on the third day? because he will come back on the third day? Hos. 6:1-3 says, "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days (Sivan 1 and 2?) will he revive us: IN THE THIRD DAY (SIVAN 3) HE WILL RAISE US UP (at the Pre-Trib Rapture), and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (i.e., Second Advent on Nisan 1) and former rain (i.e., First Advent and Pre-Wrath Rapture on Tishri 1) unto the earth."

Incoming email

Bonnie Hillman wrote:
Dear Body of Christ , this is a THANK YOU note to all of you for all of the encouragements , and SIGNS and prophecies and praise that tell us that HIS COMING IS SO VERY CLOSE AT HAND ! Thank you faithful WATCHERS for the Bridegroom . These last closing moments of the AGE OF GRACE are upon us now .

The heavenlies are shouting at us with THREE COMETS and meteor showers and the Alignment of planets ! A grand display for all the world to see!!

The KING IS COMING and I look forward to seeing all of you at THE RAPTURE with OUR COMING KING .......... we love His appearing !

God bless you today as we await OUR BRIDEGROOM in these last moments ! Bonnie , ysiC eternally

P.S. Thinking today of what my Dad said right before he passed away ......"Jesus says THE END IS VERY SOON ( Nov. 19, 2002 )....Go out and tell everyone you see!!" Bonnie B. Hillman

My reply

Thank you for being a faithful watcher. I appreciate your sharing what your dad said, too. I hope "soon" with God is what I consider "soon." This world is getting worse every day. I'm eagerly looking forward to that better place.

> > The heavenlies are shouting at us with THREE COMETS and meteor showers and the Alignment of planets ! A grand display for all the world to see!!

Luke 21:25,28 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity (including how to stop terrorism); the sea (probably the UN, Rev. 13:1; 17:15) and the waves (maybe individual nations) roaring....And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." We seem to have all of this going on now.

There will be a conjunction of Mars and Saturn in Gemini on May 23, 2004 too. At 10 AM, over Jerusalem, the crescent Moon will be very close to the conjuction. Too bad, the Sun will blot it out. It would be a neat thing to see.

The Rapture is as the days of Noah, and when Noah went in the Ark, Saturn was in Gemini and Jupiter was in Leo, just as it will be on May 23. Saturn was in Gemini at the time of the Crucifixion, Resurrection and Ascension of Christ in 30 AD too, but Jupiter was in Pisces.

Some parts of the world just saw a Blood Moon. The asteroid Toutatis is swinging near, showing us what it looks like, about twice as long as wide (see Zech. 5:1-4). The latest picture I found seemed to show that it had already broken into two pieces though (see Rev. 8:8 and 10). It comes by every 4 years, but its rotation is so chaotic, I wonder if its orbit will change somewhat. I also wonder if it is the asteroid that will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. Blessings and agape

Incoming email

http://www.bibleinsight.com/2300p1.html

My reply

I don't agree. Below is his conclusion. It makes no sense to me. Sixty-nine shabua (sevens) in Dan. 9 is 483 years (69 x 7 = 483). BC 454 - 483 + 1 (no zero yr) = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion. How could anyone think 483 years equals 2300 days?

> > THE 'EVENING MORNING 2300' CONCLUSION
> > The perspectives which opt for a 2,300 day period, whether past or future, lack biblical support. They either rely upon an imprecise assembly of prior historic events or some unsupported conjecture of the future. > > The longer views, which perceive a period of 2300 years or 1150 years also lack any form of other prophetic support and usually involve heavy referenceto non-Scriptural references, ie information presented in history books.
> > There exists a strong indication that the number 2,300 is a cryptic reference to the period represented by the '69 weeks' found in the 70 weeks prophecy. A period of 3,450 years, which began following the establishment of the children of Israel in the Promised Land.

Dan. 8:14 literally says, "evenings and mornings two thousand and three hundred" (Green's Interlinear). Gen. 1:5 says, "God called the light Day (12 hours), and the darkness he called Night (12 hours). And the evening and the morning were the first day." That's one literal 24-hour day. If those days in Gen. 1 had been great thousand-year days, the plants would have died during the 500-year night. Therefore, I take the 2300 days as 2300 literal 24-hour days.

Dan. 8:13,14 (KJV) says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first 1260 days of the Tribulation, when they can sacrifice), and the transgression of desolation (Mid Trib, II Thess. 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" (last 1040 days) (1260 + 1040 = 2300). And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Dan. 8:23-26 says, "when the transgressors are come to the full (i.e., during the Tribulation), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet, who speaks like a dragon, Rev. 13:11), shall stand up (Mid-Trib). And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (by Satan's): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ); but he (the False Prophet) shall be broken without hand (on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, Joel 2:1-3). And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told (i.e., the 2300 days) is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

To me, these 2300 days are the shortened Tribulation. Where else in Scripture can you go to figure out how much the Great Tribulation is shortened? In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things." The information we need is in the Bible somewhere.

If the shortened Tribulation is 2300 days, and it ends on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets in the Jewish Leap Year 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), it will begin on Sivan 3, 2004 (May 23, 2004). Sivan 3 was when the Lord came down at Mt. Sinai. He came down on the third day. He also came back on the third day on Resurrection Day.

This is important. At Mt. Sinai, the FIRST TRUMPET of the Bible sounded. The first Rapture is the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16). The trumpet is first mentioned in Ex. 19:13. It says, "when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount." Mt. Sinai, probably derived from the same as the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, represented Heaven--Saturn.

Ex. 24:10 says that at Sinai, "they saw the God of Israel (YHWH YAHshua, the first and the last, the Redeemer, the pre-incarnate Christ, Isa. 44:6): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (the heavenly body, Saturn) in his clearness." Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., Heaven, Saturn): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it."

Will we be raptured to the THIRD HEAVEN on the THIRD DAY of the THIRD MONTH?

Like Paul (II Cor. 12:1-7), it looks like we will be caught up to the third heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn). Going to the THIRD HEAVEN on the THIRD DAY of the THIRD MONTH (1. Nisan, 2. Iyar, 3. Sivan) makes good sense to me. The 2300 days fits between Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004) and Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010). The Jewish Year 5771 is a Leap Year with a 13th month. Therefore, there will be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 5771. That fits Eze. 39:12,13, where the Jews bury the dead 7 months to cleanse the land for the Second Advent.

I take it that Paul's experience is how it will be for us at the Rapture. In II Cor. 12:2-4, Paul said, " I knew a man (himself) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, 3. Saturn). And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE (third heaven, i.e., Saturn), and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." Agape

See tumbling Toutatis

http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/~hudson/Research/Asteroids/4179/toutspin2.mpg

Asteroid 4179 Toutatis

http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/4179_Toutatis/toutatis.html

...Toutatis's eccentric, four-year orbit...extends from just inside the Earth's orbit to the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. The plane of Toutatis's orbit is closer to the plane of the Earth's orbit than any other known several-kilometer Earth-orbit-crossing asteroid, or ECA. It is in a 3:1 mean-motion resonance with Jupiter that serves as a dynamical pathway from main-belt orbits to Earth-crossing orbits on time scales of a million years. Toutatis may have the most chaotic orbit studied to date, a consequence of the asteroid's frequent close approaches to Earth....

The images revealed Toutatis to be a several-kilometer-long object with a nonconvex shape dominated by two components in contact, one approximately twice as large as the other....

The Sep. 29, 2004, approach is the closest in this century of any known asteroid at least as large as Toutatis (or more precisely, of any known asteroid with an absolute magnitude as small as H = 15.30)....

My comments

Earlier, I found an interactive diagram like this. When I ran it, Earth and Toutatis became one dot at the ascending node. However, the orbit of Toutatis is below that of the Earth.

From 5 doves site, Re: comet or asteroid

PCS (10 Mar 2004) "comets"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2004/pcs510.htm

There have been some interesting coments on comets lately. Have you considered What God has to say on the a matter?

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
I know that some have considered this to be nuclear war but I have always considered it to be a comet or asteroid. Where it this put in the prophetic sequence?

My reply

I think Rev. 8:8 and 10 are talking about a binary asteroid like Toutatis. Rev. 8:8 calls the smaller piece "a great MOUNTAIN (oros, from oro, to rise or rear; a mountain "as lifting itself above the plain) burning with fire was cast into the sea" (the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:2-5). Verse 10 calls the larger piece an "ASTER" (star or asteroid).

Rev. 18:21 calls the "aster" "A STONE LIKE A GREAT MILLSTONE." "This is THE CURSE THAT GOETH FORTH OVER THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH" in Zech. 5:3. Its orbit carrys it around the Earth. Like Toutatis, this rolling thing is twice as long as wide (Zech. 5:2).

Isa. 16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (UN and UR, United Religions) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (on his planet Rahab), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (an asteroid formed when Rahab was split apart)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (on Earth): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station (i.e., change the orbit), and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Eze. 28:2 says, "Son of man, say unto the prince (Satan-possessed False Prophet) of Tyrus (ROCK), Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God (II Thess. 2:4), I sit in the seat of God (in the temple at Jerusalem), in the midst of the seas (between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea); yet thou art a man, and not God".

Eze 28:12,13 says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the KING (Satan) OF TYRUS (which means ROCK), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious STONE was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (1. Mercury), topaz (2. Venus), and the diamond (3. Earth), the beryl (4. Mars), the onyx (5. Satan's planet Rehab, now the Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (6. Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (7. Saturn, Heaven, Eze. 1:26, ), the emerald (8. Uranus), and the carbuncle (9. Neptune), and gold (10. Pluto)."

Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel: and there was UNDER HIS FEET as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness."

Dan 2:34 says, "Thou sawest till that a STONE was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces."

1Sa 17:40,49 says, "he (David, type of Christ) took his staff in his hand, and chose him FIVE SMOOTH STONES (representing 1. Mercury, 2. Venus, 3. Earth, 4. Mars and 5. Rahab) out of the brook, and put them in a shepherd's bag which he had, even in a scrip; and HIS SLING WAS IN HIS HAND: and he drew near to the Philistine."

1Sa 17:49,50 says, "And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a STONE, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the STONE sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a STONE."

> > Where it this put in the prophetic sequence?

On the 2300th day (Dan. 8:13,14) of the shortened Tribulation. It is the Day of God's Wrath. If the Rapture takes place on Sivan 3 (May 22,23, 2004), the 2300th day will be Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010). Agape

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