Pro and Con 1126

Posted 5-22-04, updated 5-24-04

Sharpless Nebula: APOD, May 20, 2004

...The picture offers a penetrating infrared view of an emission nebula cataloged as Sharpless 140 which lies about 3,000 light-years away toward the constellation Cepheus....

My comments

Could that blazing star be a sign? The wise men saw a star when Jesus was due to come in BC 5. We watch for Christ, the "Star out of Jacob" to come. I wonder if there is a parallel to the Star of Bethlehem today. Will the wise women (wise virgins of Mt. 25) see a star that will signal that Christ is on the way?

Nu. 24:17 says, "I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a STAR out of Jacob, and a Sceptre (King) shall rise out of Israel".

Will a star sign precede the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD, the Pre-Trib Rapture (I Thess. 4:13-18)?

The King of kings, Jesus Christ, is the right hand of God. Psa. 98:1 says, "O sing unto the LORD a new song (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9); for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory." Col. 2:9 says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." II Cor. 5:9 says, "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

In Luke 21:25,28, Jesus said, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (United Nations, Rev. 17:15; 13:1) and the waves (individual nations and people) roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) draweth nigh."

The constellation Cepheus, where that blazing star is seen, represents Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. This constellation is always in the sky visible from the northern hemisphere. The great king's foot is just above Polaris, the Pole star, around which our visual heavens rotate. The great king is holding a fist full of fabric strips aloft, showing that he is a man of the cloth, the great religious leader, i.e., our Lord Jesus Christ. His Queen beside Him is Cassiopia, the huge "W" in the northern sky.

The star at the end of the handle of the Little Dipper is Polaris. In ancient times, the Little Dipper was called the Lesser Sheepfold. It represents Christ's sheep, the Bride of Christ, that He will take to Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Big Dipper is the Greater Sheepfold, representing those to be taken to Heaven at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Rev. 22:16,17 says, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHWH) and the offspring of David (Yeshuah, Jesus), and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come."

The emerald color around the blazing star in Cepheus could be significant. Rev. 4:3 says, "and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. The emerald was Judah's stone in the breastplate of the High Priest. Jesus Christ is of the tribe of Judah. He is our ultimate High Priest, our LORD and Saviour.

This Week's Sky at a Glance

By Alan M. MacRobert 5-21-04
Some daily events in the changing sky for May 21 29.

...Saturday, May 22

Look below the crescent Moon this evening for Saturn and, to its right, fainter Mars. The two planets are only 2 apart....

For observers in the tropics and Southern Hemisphere, Comet LINEAR is only 3 south of Sirius at dusk....

Sunday, May 23

The Moon this evening is nearly in line with Pollux and Castor to its right....

Monday, May 24

Mars is 1.6 to the upper right of Saturn this evening and tomorrow evening....

Watch the waxing crescent Moon pass Venus, Mars, and Saturn as it moves across Gemini from night to night....Sky and Telescope diagram.

My comments

When you look at the diagram of the Moon's positions, remember that May 21 is Sivan 1. Pentecost will be Sivan 6 and 7, our May 26 and 27.


Paul said, "after three months WE DEPARTED (as in the Rapture) in a ship of Alexandria (meaning one who assists men), which had wintered in the isle, whose SIGN WAS CASTOR AND POLLUX. And landing at Syracuse, we tarried there THREE DAYS."

Castor and Pollux are the main stars in the sign Gemini, which means twins. The Hebraic-Roots Version has "twins" instead of "Castor and Pollux." I think Gemini is the sign of the Rapture. Saturn, which I think is Heaven, is in Gemini now. It will be there until about July 1, 2005, when it will enter Cancer.

Luke 21:25 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (UN, Rev. 17:15) and the waves (groups of people) roaring."

Comet Bradfield has already been photographed in front of the Sun. From the "kink" they saw migrating outward in the streaming tail, astronomers think the CME (Coronal Mass Emmission) hit the comet.

Saturn is in Gemini now. On May 10, Venus, Mars and Saturn were spaced at equal intervals in a line. The Moon will be close to Venus May 21. It will join Saturn in Mars May 22. Comet NEAT will be overhead disappearing in the distance. Mars will be very close to Saturn in Gemini May 22, 23 and will be in closest conjunction May 24. A rare transit of Venus between us and the Sun will come June 8. I'm watching and hoping the Lord's coming will be soon.

Amazing Live Images: Sungrazing Comet Possibly Hit by Solar Eruption

By Robert Roy Britt, 18 Feb 03

The SOHO spacecraft is currently generating spectacular images of a recently found comet called NEAT as the icy body circles the Sun and appears to have been struck by a massive solar eruption....

A solar eruption, called a coronal mass ejection (CME), appears to have hit the comet Monday, Brekke said. Scientists think they observed a kink propagating down the comet's ion tail.

NEAT is putting on what may turn out to be the most remarkable comet show ever witnessed by SOHO, which has photographed more than 500 comets rounding the Sun.

"It is far the brightest and largest comet seen," Paal Brekke, SOHO deputy project scientist, told

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May. 20, 2004
Eastern Temple wall in danger of immediate collapse

The eastern wall of Jerusalem's Temple Mount is in danger of immediate collapse, which could cause a 'domino effect' and bring down other sections of ancient compound, the head of the Israel Antiquities Authority Shuka Dorfman said Tuesday.

The rare public warning, made at a meeting of the Knesset's Interior Committee, came one month after a team of senior Egyptian and Jordanian engineers began to carry out tests to determine the stability of the eastern wall.

'Smoking gun' evidence of giant meteor collision


Evidence is mounting that 251 million years ago, long before the dinosaurs dominated the Earth, a meteor the size of Mount Everest smashed into what is now northern Australia, heaving rock halfway around the globe, triggering mass volcanic eruptions, and wiping out all but about ten percent of the species on the planet.

The "Great Dying," as it's called, was by far the most cataclysmic extinction event in Earth's history, yet scientists have been unable to finger a culprit as they have with the dinosaur extinction. A new paper published in Science, however, claims to identify the crater made by that meteor, and it builds upon an ongoing body of evidence by researchers at the University of Rochester and the University of California at Santa Barbara (UCSB), that points the finger for the Great Dying squarely at the heavens

Incoming email from Zion'sCry Prophecy News (Re: false messiah's "son, Moqtada Sadr")

DEBKA-Net-Weekly's sources have discovered that around mid-April, the radical cleric instructed his followers to adopt his own amendment to the Shiite Muslim prayer book. The blessing for Allah and the Prophet Mohammed includes one for the coming Mahdi, the Muslim messiah, and his son. Sadra's amendment inserted his own name into that blessing, so that it reads, the coming Mahdi and his son, Moqtada Sadr.

Never in modern times has a Shiite cleric been known to confer on himself the rank of messiah's son. The Four Grand Ayatollahs of Najef and also religious leaders in Tehran branded Sadra's act as outrageous heresy. The Mahdi, according to Shiite tradition, must be born of Imam Ali's family; no scion of the Sadr clan may usurp this honor.

From 5 doves site, Re: comet or asteroid?

PCS (10 Mar 2004) comets

There have been some interesting comments on comets lately. Have you considered What God has to say on the matter?

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

I know that some have considered this to be nuclear war but I have always considered it to be a comet or asteroid. Where it this put in the prophetic sequence?

My reply

I think a binary asteroid like Toutatis will break apart. The mountain burning with fire of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea at noon on the Day of God's Wrath.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (i.e., caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) in the day of the LORD's anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

I think the larger piece of the asteroid called Wormwood (Rev. 8:10-11) is the "stone like a great millstone" (Rev. 18:21) that will obliterate Babylon, Iraq.

Both impacts will cause the worldwide earthquake. Every wall will fall (Eze. 38:18-20). The cities of the nations will be destroyed (Rev. 16:18,19).

According to Dan. 8:13,14, the shortened Tribulation will last 2300 days. If the Pre-Trib Rapture comes on Sivan 3, 5764 (May 22,23, 2004), the last day of the 2300 will fall on Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010). The Day of God's Wrath has to be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1 (Joel 2:1-3).

Both Raptures will take place at the same time that there is thunder, on the first and last days of the 2300-day Tribulation. Since "the last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52) will be before noon on the Day of God's Wrath, the first "trump of God" (I Thess. 4:16) should fall on the first day of the 2300 days.

That is a day of thunder. Rev. 4:1-5 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of A TRUMPET TALKING WITH ME; WHICH SAID, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and THUNDERINGS and voices."

Sivan 3 at Mt. Sinai was when the FIRST TRUMPET of the Bible sounded. They arrived there in the third month (chodesh, new moon, i.e., Sivan 1). Then, they were to wash their clothes on that day and the next (Sivan 1 and 2). I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on Sivan 3. That was when the Lord came down on the third day. Ex. 19:4 says, " Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

Ex. 19:11,13,16,17 says, "be ready against the third day: for THE THIRD DAY (Sivan 3) THE LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai (symbol of Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and the pavement of "sapphire," Ex. 24:10, which means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear)....WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDETH LONG, THEY SHALL COME UP TO THE MOUNT....And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were THUNDERS and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, AND THE VOICE OF THE TRUMPET exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God."

That makes me wonder if Moses will escort the Bride of Christ to Jesus before returning to Earth as one of the two witnesses.

Thunder is heard at "the last trump", the Pre-Wrath Rapture, also. Rev. 7:2 says, "I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great THUNDER: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps." Verse 14 shows that these come out of great tribulation. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Venus to travel across the Sun June 8

thought you'd be interested in this link...
Scientists Prepare for Rare Astronomical Event

5-11-04 - LONDON (Reuters) - Europe, the Middle East and much of Asia and Africa will offer prime viewing next month for an astronomical event that has not occurred for 122 years -- the transit of the planet Venus across the sun.

Weather permitting, for six hours on June 8 astronomers and the public will be able to see the planet named after the Roman goddess of love and beauty passing directly between Earth and the sun....

"It is an extremely rare astrological event."...

Scientists warn people not to look at the sun with the naked eye or through a telescope or camera because it can cause blindness. A solar filter or eclipse viewer should be used and for just very short periods.

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I forward some of your material to a dear friend who is well versed in Scripture. His comment as to the improbability that Moses is one of the tribulation witnesses is based on Moses' death as boldened below. This is his response to your ProCon 1122. Can you please respond to this? Thanks and God bless!
Thanks for her explanation. It is certainly worthy of deeper study. I submit that there is the possibility that because Enoch was a gentile, he is one of the two trees. Gentiles have to be represented in the whole picture in order to fulfill it.

Also, when she says:
Jude 9 says, "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with THE DEVIL HE DISPUTED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." We don't want to dispute about the body of Moses. We just want the Lord's will to be done.

She is leaving out that the Bible is clear about Moses' death. He did die as seen in:

Deut 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying, 49Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession: 50And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

God hid Moses' body from man and Satan. You and I know that if the children of Israel could have embalmed him, they would be worshipping his mummy til this day. If satan would have known it, he would have revealed it to them also.

This is, in my opinion, the strongest point against Moses being one of the two witnessess because it does not meet contradiction with Hebrews 9:27

In either case, good stuff and good food for thought. Thanks, Love

My reply

> > because Enoch was a gentile, he is one of the two trees. Gentiles have to be represented in the whole picture in order to fulfill it.

Why do the Gentiles have to be represented in the 70th week of Daniel? Since Enoch was a Gentile, his Rapture prefigured the predominately Gentile Pre-Trib Rapture. This Rapture will be past when the two witnesses prophesy during the first 1260 days of the 70th week of Dan. 9:27. During those days, God will again be predominately dealing with Israel. If they do not listen to Gentile believers now, I don't think they would listen to a Gentile prophet during the 70th week of Daniel. I think the chances of a prophet to the Hebrews being anything but Hebrew are slim.

Zechariah was sent to the Israelites. In Zech. 11:2,3, he said, "The LORD hath been sore displeased with your fathers. Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. Be ye not as your fathers." The fathers disregarded the teachings of Moses. Also, when the rich man in Torments asked for Lazarus to be sent to his five brethren "that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but IF ONE WENT UNTO THEM FROM THE DEAD, THEY WILL REPENT. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Hmmm. Wouldn't you like to know if they would be persuaded if Moses "WENT UNTO THEM FROM THE DEAD"? The two witnesses will persuade 144,000 Israelites (Rev. 7). I think the LORD is giving them every chance, so they can never say, "Well if you had sent one back from the dead, we would have believed. Won't they end up without excuse? (Rom. 1:20).

In Zech. 4:3, the candlestick refers back to the candlestick Moses was to make for the Tabernacle. Verse 3 says, "And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof." Verses 11-14 say, "Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that STAND BY THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH."

Rev. 11:4 says, "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks STANDING BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH." Only Moses and Elijah stood "BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH" at the Transfiguration.

Luke 9:30,31 says,"behold, there talked with him (Christ) TWO MEN, WHICH WERE MOSES AND ELIAS. Who appeared in glory".

To me, no one else can qualify; and who would the Israelites listen to better than Moses and Elijah?

One point Moses and Elijah's presence would drive home is, "For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's" (Rom. 14:8). The presence of Moses would prove that there is life after death. That should wake up a few.

In Mt. 20:23, Jesus said, "to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father." Maybe it will be Moses and Elijah. Agape

5 doves seen by reader on 5 doves site, and 3 were white

Tracy K (22 May 2004)
"Saw "5 Doves" this morning....."

True story: Just the other day as I was leaving work, I saw 5 doves! Now there is nothing unusual about this for me, as I always see grey morning doves when I go to work each day. I can also hear them if I cannot see them in the trees or elsewhere. What was unusual about this group was there were 5 of them and three of them were white doves. I have never seen white doves before in the wild (grey ones yes, white ones no).

I just wanted to share this beautiful sight I witnessed. It made me think about this site! Yours in Christ, Tracy K.

The archangel Michael has a part in both Raptures

By Marilyn Agee

Michael has a part in the Pre-Trib Rapture (the first 'trump of God,' I Thess. 4:13-18) and the Pre-Wrath Rapture (the 'last trump' of God, I Cor. 15:51,52). The voice of the archangel Michael at "the last trump" ties in with Dan. 11:45-12:2 and the last Rapture.

It says, "he (the False Prophet) shall come to his end (probably on the 2300th day of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:13,14), and none shall help him. And at that time (Tishri 1, end of shortened Tribulation, day 2300) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time (time of Jacob's trouble, the 2300th day): and at that time thy people (Israel) shall be delivered (malat, to be escaped, i.e.,at the Pre-Wrath Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake".

Joel 2:31,32 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood (6th seal, Rev. 6:12), before the great and terrible day of the LORD come (Rev. 6:17). And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered (malat, be escaped, i.e., be raptured)".

I think the Church hears the "Come up hither,", then John and the other 23 elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles) receive their crowns and thrones. "And out of the throne (God's) proceeded lightnings and THUNDERINGS and voices" (Rev. 4:5). There is thunder at both Raptures (Rev. 10:3).

The Day of the LORD seems to begin on the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation. It is the Day of God's Wrath. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." In Mal. 4:5, the LORD said, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." Elijah will prophesy during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation. Therefore, the Day of the LORD does not start at the Pre-Trib Rapture. Elijah returns to Earth at that time to begin his Tribulation ministry.

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