Pro and Con 113, Uploaded 5-29-98

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I just heard on ABC that there was snow in California today! They blamed it on, of course, El Nino. Was this close to you? Do you find this exciting or confirming? See you, I hope, in the next day or two! God bless

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5-29-98: My son saw on TV that they had snow at Lake Tahoe.

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From what I have read on your site it seems that many things fit together perfectly to fix the rapture date on Pentecost 98. Nevertheless, I have a few concerns:

1. You speak that it has been 6000 years from Abraham until 97/98, but according to the Jewish Year system which God should be going by it is not yet 6000 but still well into the 5000's with about 250 years to go! This would mean that the 6000 year work salvation week still has a way to go.

2. What do you consider makes you different from all of those others who have made dates using similar methodologies. It made perfect sense to them just as it makes perfect sense to you. Can you give some specific examples as to how say the huge 1988 rapture theory was flawed, and why yours isn't?

3. How can you be sure that when Jesus says the fig tree is yet "tender" that it necessarily means its "young" and therefore fits the type of the OT example you referred to. And what does growing leaves/shoots really mean? How can you BE SURE that it means Gaza, Jerusalem, etc.... After all Israel even now possesses hardly any of its promised inheritance.

4. Although there are a good deal of things that do add up, don't you think we should be taking into account those things which don't add up. For example the current Jewish year- when you add the digits up, or multiply them, or try to do anything to them nothing results of any seeming value. 1998 Gentile year added yields 27 which is 9x3 but I can't see how this would mean anything. This would seem to imply that God just "chose" not to use the Jewish year or Gentile year as one of His signs that the rapture is immanent. This seems very strange, you think God would make every potential sign a certain and definitive indicator of whats going on. Do you have an explanation for this. Maybe God has revealed that he would only reveal the date of the rapture through certain signs and mediums and not others? Please help here. This seems to indicate that although your theory holds strong water in some areas, it is weak in others and as always is no different from the other major theories that have come and failed.

Please do not consider this inquiries and affront to all that you have accomplished. I am sure that if you have been studying these signs and scriptures for so long that you will have good explanations for each of these four questions. I look forward to the day when the church and all of the saints will be raptured and make sure that I am constantly prepared. And I admit to you that your theory is very convincing, very well thought out, and holds good solid potential. In closing I can only say, "Come Lord Jesus!" Amen

My reply

> according to the Jewish Year system which God should be going by it is not yet 6000

5758/1997/98 is the 6000th year. God started time back in Genesis, not in 3761 BC. See my chronology at: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/chron.html

> Can you give some specific examples as to how say the huge 1988 rapture theory was
> flawed, and why yours isn't?

I have never said mine was not flawed. I am not a prophet. However, I have studied hard since probably 1957 or 58. There are some things marking this year that mark no other. It is the 6000th year since man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil. It is the Jubilee Year for Israel. The Sign of the End of the Age was when Israel grew leaves (Gaza, Sinai, West Bank and Golan Heights) in the Six-Day War. Forty years, one generation, from then is our 2007. The first day of the millennial Day of the Lord is on the Feast of Trumpets, which is Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). That is also the Day of God's Wrath. From that day to Christ's return on the following Nisan 1, 5768 (Ezek. 29:17,21) (our April 6, 2008, anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar), the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year (Regnal because Christ is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords), is seven months (Ezek. 39:12). Therefore, that must be a Jewish Leap Year, and 5768 is. Since they only have a leap year about every third year, you cannot slide this back and forth a year or two. Counting back from the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:14), you find that the Seventieth Week of Daniel appropriately starts on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001. Back up from that the 4 Jewish Years, counted by inclusive reckoning, given in the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 and you come to Pentecost, 1998. The years are the Jewish 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761, Pentecost to Pentecost (our May 31, 1998 to May 28, 2001). These are grace years for Israel, their last chance to avoid the Tribulation and time to build their temple. Sacrificing starts on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.

We only have one 2300-day period between these two feasts beginning and ending the shortened Tribulation left us within the last 40-year generation. And, if the Rapture is to be on the Lord's day, Sunday, and Pentecost, we only have one of those left us, May 31, 1998. We have outlived other options.

To boot, Israel's Levites became 30 in 1997 (30 years since they took the rest of Jerusalem and the temple area). We are now the priests. They are now ready to take over the priesthood when we leave. We are the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. When we are caught up, will the literal temple also begin to be raised up?

Search the scriptures and see if these things are so.

> 3. How can you be sure that when Jesus says the fig tree is yet "tender" that it necessarily
> means its"young" and therefore fits the type of the OT example you referred to. And what
> does growing leaves/shoots really mean? How can you BE SURE that it means Gaza, Jerusalem,

The word "apalos" means young. When a new branch ("klados," twig or branch broken off, i.e., a scion) is grafted into an old rootstock, it puts forth leaves when it begins to grow. Israel is the fig tree (Joel 1:7; Hos 9:10; Ezek. 36:8). When they ended the Six-Day War, they had between 300 and 400 times as much territory as they had before. They also had all of Jerusalem including the temple area.

> things which don't add up. For example the current Jewish year- when you add the digits up,
> or multiply them, or try to do anything to them nothing results of any seeming value.

The current Jewish Year, 5758, means "the season of Noah." That is very significant. Both Hebrew and Greek letters stand for numbers. In fact, 58 in Hebrew spells Noah. That ties in nicely for Jesus indicated that the Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37f).

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I am so thankful for your web site. I am gald I found it. I am getting ready for the rapture. I have so many people to tell and I pray I have the time to get them right with god. God Bless You.

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You are hung up on the meaning on the word know or knoweth, From the King James Version of the bible. How do we know what the first bible said on the subject. After all the King James version differs from the NIV version.

My reply

Who cares about what translation. Look in Green's Interlinear. The Greek says, "oiden," It means recognizes. Green translated it "knows." It is present tense.

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Bob Ross: Pilgrimpub@aol.com wrote:
>
> AID AND COMFORT RECEIVED FROM LOCAL
> PROPHETESS AND AN ADVISOR AS TO MAY 31
>
> I have received a few "bricks" in recent days because of
> my recalcitrant attitude regarding the predicted May 31
> Rapture by Mrs. Marilynn Agee. It seems that I have been
> caught in a "vice," and I am in a "lose-lose" situation. See
> Rapture Website:
> http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/procon108.html
>
> Here is my predicament:
>
> If I capitulate, and give-up my doubts and accept the
> validity of the May 31 prediction, this would force me to
> reject the December prediction of my local Prophetess
> friend named Shirley. Shirley assured me sometime ago
> the Rapture would be in December of 1998. She told me
> flat-out that "God told her" this. How can I accept Marilynn's
> confusing calculations and reject God's direct message to
> Shirley?

***From Marilyn: Although God spoke to me directly and said, "Be still and know that I am God," don't believe either one of us. Go straight to Scripture. It is the only rock-hard truth we have. Here is how you can be in a WIN-WIN situation. Get ready just in case. Confess all known sins so the Lord can cleanse you of all unrighteousness. Forgive others as you want to be forgiven. Then if it happens this Pentecost, you are on the winning side. If it doesn't, you are filled with the Holy Spirit and are earning rewards in Heaven. You are still winning. You can still hope for December if it does not happen in May, you know. One thing I feel certain of, it has to happen before the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001.

The gap between this Pentecost and that one in 2001 is explained by the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. They are Jewish years, counted by inclusive reckoning, Pentecost to Pentecost--5758, 5759, 5760, 5761 (our May 31, 1998 - May 28, 2001).

From Pentecost in 2001 to the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord in 2007 is the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14).

The 40-year countdown started in 1967, when Israel grew leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights and West Bank) and fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34.

Psa 122.3,4 (New Jerusalem Bible) says, "Jerusalem, built as a city, in ONE UNITED WHOLE, there the tribes go up, the tribes of Yahweh, A SIGN for Israel to give thanks to the name of Yahweh." When Jerusalem was united, it was the Sign of the End of the Age of Mt. 24:3. From that time, there was only one generation to the end of the age. (1967 + 40 = 2007). We now only have 9 years in which all the end of the age events must be packed. Time is short any way you look at it.

The Song of Solomon 2:10-13 tells us what season the Rapture will be in. It says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away (i.e., the Rapture. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (i.e., latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth (April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come (spring), and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, i.e., the Holy Spirit) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her GREEN FIGS, and the vines with the TENDER GRAPE (i.e., the firstripe grapes) give a good smell, Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away."

The time slot when there are green figs and the firstripe grapes is a narrow one. It has to be at the end of May or early June. The only feast that fits this time slot is Pentecost, which particularly belongs to the Church. In 30 AD, the Spirit of Christ came to fill the Church. In 1998, which means "the season of Noah," I think that Christ will come to get those that are filled with the Spirit of Christ.

Things happened to Israel as examples to us upon whom the ends of the ages is come.

Israel was given the chance to go up EARLY into the Promised Land, when they spied out the land. It was at the time of the firstripe grapes. Now, we are given a chance to go up EARLY to our Promised Land at the time of the firstripe grapes.

Only Joshua and Caleb believed God. The Israelites had to go through chastisement before entering the Promised Land. It will be the same for the Laodiceans today. They will be left behind for chastisement (Rev. 3:19) in the Tribulation, before they can enter the Promised Land.

> This morning, I got to thinking about the dilemma I am in,
> torn betwixt Shirley's December and Marilynn's May 31; so
> I decided to give Shirley a call to see if she had an opinion
> about May 31. Surely, if there is anything to the May 31
> prediction, Shirley would have some knowledge from the
> Lord about it. So I gave her a call . . .
>
> As it turns out, Shirley says she is in "sackcloth and ashes,"
> so I suppose I caught her in a humble spiritual mood. I
> asked her about the "sackcloth and ashes," how she was
> doing that. She explained that she made her own garment
> of sackcloth, and had ashes applied all over her face, and
> looked awful!
>
> "To your face?" I asked. "Yes!" she said; "If I were to get
> down and roll in a pile of ashes, I would mess-up the house!
> So I just put them all over my face! I look awful!"
>
> I explained to Shirley about the May 31 Rapture date, the
> Rapture website, but Shirley had not heard about it [Shirley
> is not on the internet].
>
> After I explained the prediction, I asked, "Shirley, what is
> your take on this? Do you have any thoughts on it, any
> God-given discernment about it? Do you think we will be
> raptured May 31."
>
> She said she certainly respected the sincerity of Marilynn,
> and that MJA had no doubt done a lot of study; but then
> she said, "I really have not had an unction from the Lord
> about May 31 being the date for the Rapture."
>
> "So, you don't think the Rapture will take place?"
>
> "That's right; I have had no unction from the Lord about the
> Rapture for this weekend. I am still firmly convinced of what
> the Lord told me about December."
>
> That gave me a lot of "aid and comfort" in my own thinking
> about the prediction of May 31, especially so in view of
> Shirley's past "track record." For example, she says the
> Lord spoke to her in advance about the deaths of Princess
> Dianna, Prime Minister Rabin, and Nicole Brown Simpson.
> Also, she recently relayed a warning to President Clinton.
> She was kind enough to take the time to read me a copy
> of the letter she sent to Washington. And she told me in
> detail about how the Lord spoke to her about the deaths
> of Dianna, Rabin, and Nicole Brown Simpson.
>
> "Did the the White House reply?" I asked.
>
> "No, not yet; but I have had replies from the White House
> before, and they probably will reply," she said.
>
> Does Marilynn have any similar credentials in the prediction
> category? Has she had any previous "advance" messages
> from the Lord that were fulfilled?
>
> How could I possibly accept Marilynn's "maybe so"
> Rapture, and reject Shirley's re-assurance that it will be
> in December?
>
> If I were to accept Marilynn's "maybe" prediction, then I
> would of course have to reject Shirley's, which she says
> was told to her by God.
>
> On the other hand, if I accept Shirley's, I have to reject
> Marilynn's, and yet Marilynn "saw a rectangle of light,"
> which indicated to her she should publish her book.
>
> Do you see my predicament?
>
> I am in a LOSE - LOSE vice! Like Rodney Dangerfield,
> either way I go, "I get no respect."
>
> Where could I possibly find help in this dilemma?
>
> I thought about contacting the Psychic Friends Network,
> but then I remembered they recently psyched-out into
> bankruptcy. Jeanne Dixon has passed away, and I don't
> know if our local Spiritual Advisor, Mrs. Williams, over on
> Southmore Street, has any gifts in the matter of Bible
> prophecy dates. Mrs. Williams is a Greek Orthodox, and
> she might have some insights; perhaps I should call her:
>
> [Ring, ring]. Phone is answered: "Hello."
>
> "Mrs. Williams?"
>
> "Who is speaking?"
>
> "Bob Ross at Pilgrim Book Store."
>
> "Hold on please." [Young lady calls for Mrs. Williams].
>
> "Hello."
>
> "Is this Mrs. Williams?"
>
> "Yes; who is this calling?"
>
> >From that point, I explained to Mrs. Williams about the
> May 31 Rapture prediction, but she had not heard about
> it. After going over the details of the matter, I asked her
> if she had any spiritual insight on it.
>
> She said, "Well, I will tell you something that happened
> about a month ago . . ."
>
> Then she told me that at her other office on Strawberry
> Street (which she had recently closed down), she saw an
> apparition, or picture, of Jesus which appeared on the front
> window -- "such a beautiful picture!" She at first thought
> she might be hallucinating, but then she called others to
> come and look at it, and she even thought about calling
> channel 13 TV (but didn't). She said "many people came
> and also saw the picture of Jesus, but some others said
> they saw nothing unusual."
>
> Mrs. Williams explained that the window glass had been
> cracked, so they had to replace it with a new window.
> The image of Jesus even appeared on the new window,
> too!
>
> Then a little later, Mrs. Williams was inside of the
> building, and she noticed the image "in reverse" from the
> back side; she said it was completely different and terribly
> ugly; she didn't even want to tell me about it, it was so
> bad.
>
> But I coaxed her to tell me what she saw; so she relented,
> and said, "Well, there was this ugly, horrible face, very ugly,
> with a goatee -- white eyes -- it had horns -- and down at
> the bottom were little babies!"
>
> "Little babies?" I asked; "what kind of babies?"
>
> "They were baby demons -- all hunchbacks -- terribly ugly!
> I tried to wash the picture off the glass, but it wouldn't come
> off. I was so upset I left the place, and I don't even like to
> drive by there any more! I will never go into that place again."
>
> Then I asked, "How does this relate to the May 31 prediction?
> Do you think this may be a 'two-sided' picture, too?"
>
> "Yes, it could be. If someone appears on May 31, it could
> be a false Jesus." We talked awhile about this, also about
> some other Bible matters, and then we said "Goodby."
>
> Later, her brother-in-law called me back and said that it
> could be an appearance of the Antichrist on May 31. He
> said, "If a 'Jesus' appears, you know who it will be, don't
> you? It will be the false Jesus, the Antichrist!"

***It can't be. We are to watch for the coming of Christ, not the coming of the Antichrist. Many misunderstand II Thess. 2:3's "falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." The Greek "apostasia" means "departing," (as by separation in divorce, from "aphistemi," to desert a station in life, remove, go away) and is translated as departing in The Geneva Bible, Tyndale's translation, Cranmer's version, the Great Bible, Breecher's Bible, Beza's translation and the Coverdale Bible."

Until we are gone, our salt retards the growth of leaven, just as it does in breadmaking. Without enough salt, the leaven grows fast. After we are gone, the Holy Spirit will stop restraining the appearance of the man of sin.

> We talked awhile about it, talked about salvation, being
> born again, and other Bible subjects. We both agreed that
> the Bible does not teach that any one can know the date
> of the Rapture. We said "Goodby" to each other, and hung
> up.
>
> Looking in the Yellow Pages, I saw a listing for La Toya
> Jackson's Psychic Network, but the Jacksons don't have
> a reputation for Bible prophecy, so I decided not to call.
> I decided to call it "quits" for today. I had about all the
> "input" on this I could stand! What with Shirley's stories
> about the advanced messages from God about the deaths
> of Diana, Rabin, and OJ's wife, and with Mrs. Williams'
> story of the 2-sided apparition on her former branch office's
> window -- I have had enough for today!
>
> I guess I will just have to go with the old "no man knows
> the time" doctrine (Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7; 1 Thess. 5:1, 2);
> after all, it has been true in all the past instances of the
> predictions of the Rapture, so maybe it will stand the test
> once again come May 31. -- Bob

***And maybe it won't. Get ready just in case.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

II Peter 1:1,4-10 says, "SIMON Peter...to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that BY THESE YE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity (agape love, God's love). For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans), and cannot see afar off (i.e., Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

If we have enough oil of the Holy Spirit, we are as wise virgins waiting for the Bridegroom, ready, whenever he comes. We are told not to quench the Holy Spirit, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit. If we are filled, we will not be a "castaway" (I Cor. 9:27). Instead, we will WIN "the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:14). The prize is the Rapture of the Bride of Christ. Hope to see you in glory on Pentecost.

In His abundant love for all the brethren,
Marilyn
--- ... Bob L. Ross

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I have scanned your books and web pages and find them very interesting. I have written once or twice before by email for which you graciously replied. I am a 54 yr old retired Math teacher and have studied a bit in the area of bible prophecy and the writings and predictions of various men. The rapture is to me a removal from time and space into eternity where time does not exist. Apparently from the vantage point of eternity God can see the end of things in time and space very clearly. I also wonder if maybe the angels can't see something of the parade of history as well as the future. When Jesus said that He didn't know the day or hour of his return, He also said that not even the Angels in Heaven knew when He was to return, but only God the Father had this knowledge. Your research and study is superb, but I wouldn't be a bit supprised if Your predicted rapture date comes and goes without event. On the other hand I can see how it could happen any day now. May 31 is the 151st day of the year. That is not particularly outstanding unless you study the numerology of the name of Jesus Christ! For example if you let a=1, b=2, c=3 ... to z=26 and add the values in our Lord's name it totals 151! But then so does "Holy Spirit", "Jehovah the Lord", and "Lord of Hosts"! I found this out in 1977 while studying the book of Revelations. I guess the Holy Spirit wanted me to realize that God was three persons. Isn't God wonderful. I want you and everyone to know that I have accepted Him (Jesus Christ) as Lord and Savior and that He is not willing that any should perish. The Cross is the way back to God! The Rapture may be postponed until about 2020 to 2030 or so because that will be 2000 years of grace. If it is a week from Sunday then I want to shake your hand in heaven. Until then I suspect God wants us to farm the land, teach school, and work in our needed places. Marilyn, thanks for all your work. Your books have some very thought provoking prophecy discussions....You may post this in your pro-con section if you like. May God be glorified.

My reply

> May 31 is the 151st day of the year. That
> is not particularly outstanding unless you study the
> numerology of the name of Jesus Christ! For example if
> you let a=1, b=2, c=3 ... to z=26 and add the values in
> our Lord's name it totals 151! But then so does "Holy
> Spirit", "Jehovah the Lord", and "Lord of Hosts"! I
> found this out in 1977 while studying the book of
> Revelations. I guess the Holy Spirit wanted me to
> realize that God was three persons

What he probably was trying to help you understand was that all three are ONE. Didn't they each add up to 151? Are we not to baptize in the name (one name) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

> The Rapture may be postponed until about 2020 to 2030 or so because that
> will be 2000 years of grace.

I think it will be 2000 years from when the WISE MEN symbolically anointed Jesus as Priest and King by the gifts they brought him in BC 3. This time the WISE VIRGINS will see Him. (BC 3 + 2000 + 1 for there is no zero year = 1998.)

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