Pro and Con 1137

Posted 7-23-04

I apologize for not posting as often as usual. I have been having another siege of hip and leg pain from a pinched nerve in my back.

Natural colors of Saturn rings--pink, gray and brown

photo taken 6-21-04, a few days before Cassini went into orbit around Saturn

Incoming email, Re: Cassini Project

I have read your books and am in awe of your dedication to the scriptures. Thank you so much. You have helped me put so many things together that were scattered in my knowledge of the scriptures.

I write to you today to ask your take on the significance if any of the Cassini Project to Saturn.

I'm so intrigued by it.

Please let your fellow pilgrims share your thoughts. Agape, In AZ

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I consider the Cassini Mission a sign. It was launched on the Titan IV-Centaur rocket on Oct. 15, 1997. That was in the Jewish 5758, probably the 6000th year since the creation of Adam. It was the 380th year since Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany. That started the Protestant Reformation. The year 5758 was so well marked that I thought the Rapture would take place in that year.

Cassini has now traveled 7 years (1997 + 7 = 2004) (5758 + 7 = 5765). It executed gravity-assist flybys of Venus twice, Earth and Jupiter each once, along the way. It went into a planned 4-year orbit of Saturn June 30, 2004. The Huygens Probe is to be released headed for the atmosphere of Saturn's moon, Titan, Dec. 24, 2004. The probe is scheduled to enter Titan's atmosphere Jan. 14, 2005.

I think the Rapture will take place Dec. 16/17, 2004. Friday, Teveth 5, will start at 6 PM on our Dec. 16 and continue until 6 PM on Dec. 17. That will be 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before Nisan 1, 5771 (April 5, 2011), when I expect the Second Advent to take place on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

The month of Teveth ties in with Esther 2:16,17. It says, "So Esther (meaning star, hidden and secret, type of the Bride of Christ) was taken (laqach, received, accepted) unto king Ahasuerus (meaning lion king, type of Christ) into his house royal in the TENTH MONTH, which is the month TEBETH (or Teveth), in the SEVENTH YEAR of his reign. And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown upon her head, and made her queen instead of Vashti."

The raptured Bride of Christ will receive crowns. The 7 years, the month Teveth, Esther being taken into the lion king's royal house and being crowned all seem to tie in with the Cassini Mission. Christ being the Lion of the tribe of Judah and Esther meaning hidden and secret reinforce my feeling that I may have finally figured out what secret was hidden in the book of Esther--the month of the Rapture. I have wondered about that hidden secret since the 1960s. Agape

Huygens Titan Probe

Released by the Cassini orbiter in LATE 2004, the Huygens probe will drop into Titan's atmosphere some THREE WEEKS LATER. As the 2.7-meter-diameter (8.9-foot) probe enters the atmosphere it will begin taking measurements in the haze layer above the cloud tops. As it descends -- first on a main parachute and later on a drogue chute for stability -- various instruments will measure the temperature, pressure, density, and energy balance in the atmosphere.

As the Huygens probe breaks through the cloud deck, a camera will capture pictures of the Titan panorama. Instruments will also be used to study properties of Titan's surface remotely -- and perhaps directly, should the probe survive the landing.

Saturn mission to reveal mysterious planet

June 28, 2004

HUYGENS PROBE: Spacecraft is 8.9 feet in diameter and 705 pounds (317 kg). Will be released from Cassini on Dec. 24 and enter Titan's atmosphere on Jan. 14. After descending by parachute, it will beam up to 30 minutes of surface observations.

Will the Church Be Raptured Before, During, or After the Tribulation Period?

We now examine II Thessalonians 2:3, “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (day of LORD) shall not come, except there come a falling away (departure) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”

We are now introduced to the Greek word “apostasia” which is translated as “falling away” in the King James Translation. The basic meaning of the word is “departure.” One cannot tell from the meaning of the word, itself, whether it is in reference to the departure, i.e, the Rapture of the Church; or, a “departure from the truth,” known as apostasy. “Apostasia” translated as “falling away” is quite misleading, as it does not incorporate the meaning “to fall” or “fell.” For example, check Matthew 10:29 (“fall”); Matthew 17:6 (“fell”); John 18:6 (“fell”), etc. These are translated from the Greek word “pipto,” not “apostasia.” Therefore, only by the context in which “apostasia” occurs can it be determined if it is in reference to a departure from the faith, or the departure of the Church from the world. It should be noted, that to the best of my knowledge, all English translations prior to the King James Translation translated “apostasia” either as “departing” or “departure.” Also, the Bible known as the Vulgate, about 400 A.D., was Jerome’s Latin translation. Here Jerome uses the Latin word “discessio”, meaning “departure” for “apostasia.”

The Jesuits and the Rapture Speaking of the beliefs of the reformers; there were many early English Bible translations before the King James Version in 1611. In at least seven of these early English translations from the 1500's, the Greek word "apostasia" from 2 Thess 2:3 was translated "departure" or "departing", instead of "falling away" as in the King James, or "rebellion" in other modern translations. When the word is seen as "departure", the verse can easily be seen to teach that the departure, or rapture, must come first, before the Day of the Lord is present, or that the tribulation is present. Therefore, this verse, and the early English translations of many of those martyred for the faith, strongly support the position of the pretribulation rapture.


Through the Bible with Les Feldick, Book 11

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

"Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day," that is the coming in of the Tribulation, the day of God, "that day shall not come except there come,..." Now most translations have got it `a falling away.' I think it's so unfortunate, and I changed the teaching of it when the Amplified New Testament came out. I don't remember when that was, but the Amplified New Testament came out in about the middle 70's. The Amplified, for those of you who are not acquainted with it, is a good study Bible. They have simply taken the Greek of the New Testament, and it may take four or five English words to enlarge on a Greek word. Now it doesn't make nice reading. It's just word after word after word, all describing the original. But if you take the time, and understand that sometimes it does take four or five English words to understand one Greek word, then you'll get the picture.

Here is one of them where in their footnote they use `the departure' for the word `apostasia,' instead of "a falling away." Now read it in that light. "For that day shall not come,..." In other words, the introduction of the Anti-christ, "that day shall not come, except there come a departure first." Now it's interesting that in all of the early translations of the Bible, beginning with Tyndale, and all the way up through the 1500's, almost every translation, including the Tyndale and the Geneva, and several others, all translated that word, `the departure.'

Dr. Kenneth Weist, who is probably the most respected Greek scholar on the scene today is at Moody Bible Institute, and in his book, Prophetic Light in This Dark Day, he also makes that same delineation of this word, that is better translated `the departure,' because the same Greek word translated in our King James, `falling away,' is translated eight times in our New Testament, as `depart;' either of a person departing from another person to go away, or of a person departing from one place to another. You see, that makes all the difference in the world in this text. That the Tribulation cannot begin until there is the departure. And I think we are going to live to see the day. I think we are getting closer and closer. We're suddenly going to be gone from this place. And so he says, and we're going to go on now, "And that man of sin,..." See, here is another one of the titles or the descriptions of this Anti-christ. "...and except there come a departure and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

Is There a Departure In 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

By John M. Sweigart

In this brief study we have set out to examine the possibility that the word apostasia normally translated “falling away” or “rebellion” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 should be translated “departure.” We have examined the grammatical evidence first and found that the anaphoric use of the article leans heavily to that understanding. Next we surveyed the lexical data for both the word apostasia itself as well as its cognate verb and found that there is substantial evidence to suggest that the word had within its semantic range the notion of “physical or spatial departure.” Third, we looked at the literary structure of both epistles and suggested a literary structure for the section of Scripture in which our word was found. We discovered the possibility of a chiastic arrangement that established our word as parallel conceptually to the idea that the believing church has been chosen for the “acquisition” of “glory” which we suggested happened at the rapture and the judgment seat of Christ. Lastly, we examined the two eschatological sections of the two epistles to the Thessalonians and found there was strong evidence that Paul was presenting the day of the Lord as a programmed event. He chose to mention the starting point, the midpoint, and the ending point of the seven-year tribulation period.

After all this research, we believe that the evidence is overwhelming that the word apostasia refers to the Rapture that has the effect of starting the seven-year tribulation period.

Incoming email
Messiah in jew talmud = Talmud sanhedrin 99a"messiah must come during second temple period"

Incoming email, Re: Eye on the Cross

Thank you for your reply.

In examining/reading many of the books and articles written over the past twenty years about the star alignments "encoded" in the great pyramid at Giza's construction, I have noticed the timeline of 2450-2520 BC come up many times. A fairly recent article, Nov. 2000 in Nature by Dr. Kate Spence, Cambridge Univ., UK again focused in on the timeline of 2475-85 BC. My own research into this timeline over the past ten years has revealed some interesting alignments looking not in the North direction and the descending passage; but, to the South and the ascending passage. As you know, both passage angles are at 26d 18m of slope/altitude. In the year around 2477 BC, the star Gacrux at the top of the Southern Cross constellation reached the altitude of 26d 18m at it's daily crossing of the meridian line as seen from Giza. Occasionally, a reference is made to Crux in the books/articles about pyramid star alignments; but, not of the significance as the Northern (north star, Thuban) or Ursa Major/Ursa Minor alignments and various others such as Orion's belt and the Pleiades. It becomes more interesting for Gacrux as one delves a little deeper as you will see. All stars have a particular Right Ascension (RA) and Declination (DEC) as I'm sure you are aware. In/around the 2477 BC period, it happens that the RA of Gacrux is 9h10.77m or rounded off 9h 11m and if the current software were able to fully account for the proper motion of the star, may in fact be 9h 11m. Certainly, it is quite a "coincidence" that it would be this now infamous number. From a Christian/Biblical perspective, I find the whole sky view at this time of Gacurx's daily meridian crossing to portray the important constellations that the early patriarchs and Hebrew designers and builders of the Giza pyramids would be focused on as pointing to the coming Christ. Following the meridian line from the horizon thru Crux, one finds both Virgo and Coma right at the Zenith position, high overhead. As you know from the work of Seiss, Bullinger, Rolleston and others, the significance of Coma (the Desired One) is especially important. Even, the Dendera zodiac seems to point to this ancient constellation as a woman with child. When examining the full sky chart again, at the daily meridian passing of Gacrux with a RA of ~9h11m, it is perhaps of significance that both the alpha (Diadem) and beta stars of Coma are in a straight line also along the meridian above Crux and Virgo and have essentially the same RA of 9h10-9h11m. Truly a remarkable "coincidence"!

While many were and still are focused on Thuban and the Dragon (Draco), Orion, etc., I think the real architects may have been looking towards the coming sign of Christ, the Cross/Crux and the Virgin (Virgo) birth of the Desired One (Christ/Coma).

Gacrux is now only about 2d above the south horizon because of precession. The left and right stars of the cross pass just along the horizon line and the base star Acrux is a few degrees below the horizon.

Perhaps you will see something else in this picture. Sincerely

My reply

Thanks for another possibility. What full sky chart are you using? I need to see a picture to understand fully what you are saying. Agape


By James Arrabito (a Seventh Day Adventist)

Their princes became servants in the house of Nebuchadnezzar He also finished that tower, the ziggurat of Babylon.

This ziggurat on display in San Jose Rosicrucian Museum illustrates that tower as described by Heroditus The black base of the tower represented Saturn, the mystery or the hidden god that the Babylonians gave the number 666 to The next level was represented by Jupiter, the next level Mars, then the sun, then Venus, then Mercury and the moon And so the tower represented the seven astrological gods that moved through the circle of the zodiac.

My comments

I haven't been able to find a quote from "The Histories," by the Greek Herodotus of Halicarnassus, that gives this information about what each of the seven stages of the Tower of Babel stood for. However, the order in this list seems reasonable. There is no doubt that the first stage was black and stood for Saturn. Many accounts mention this.

In the Great Pyramid, I think the 5 naked-eye planets are represented in both the King's Chamber and the niche in the Queen's Chamber. There Mercury is on the bottom, followed by Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

Since Satan tries to twist things to confuse us, I can see him turning this order upside down. Since he set up the Sun as the main god to be worshipped, it makes sense that he added the Sun and Moon to the lineup. I'm just surprised to find the Moon at the top instead of the Sun. Of course, with the Sun in Earth's position between Venus and Mars, that may tell the story of where the Sun god was worshipped better than if it was at the top.

Incoming email, Re: Partial Rapture Believers

I know there is partial rapture believers out there. The problem for me is they are really hard to find.

Maybe if you know of any could you email them this link at least to advise them and give them the choice to consider joining this topsites,

I can't think of two words in Christianity "partial rapture" more powerful to identify a spiritual Christian that he knows this. Not all partial rapture believers are saved and even some are unregenerated, but these two words are so powerful in Jesus Christ at the consummation of this age that will usher in the new age.
Troy Brooks
Finding Agreement in the Parousia of Christ Premillennial Last Week

Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth (Rev. 3 10, cf. Luke 21.36). Even though the forest will be destroyed and the city torn down, God will greatly bless his people. Wherever they plant seed, bountiful crops will spring up. Their flocks and herds will graze in green pastures. (Isaiah 32.19,20). Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread (quickly a type of first rapture, Rev. 14.1-5), and in the feast of weeks (festival of harvest, type of final gathering, Rev. 14.14-16, of the saved at the "last trumpet"), and in the feast of tabernacles (sheltered in the reward of the millennial reign of Christ): and they shall not appear before the LORD empty: (Deut. 16.16).

Of the different partial rapture views, the reason my spirit is led to, "first rapture between the 5th and 7th seal of the (1) living overcomers, (2) martyrs from past 20 centuries, plus (3) 144,000 firstfruits (living and resting), and (4) during the Tribulation martyrs are raptured three and half days after their death" was several, in addition to the hope of escaping the seven year Tribulation based on being ready to be received to the throne.

The living and resting 144,000 (Rev. 14) are all ready at first rapture who had been and will be closest to Christ in the millennium. The 144,000 are just not those living at the time of the first rapture since they necessarily also must come from all the generations since Christ. Since first rapture is for just Christians, it is not for those before resurrected life, that is, before the resurrection of Christ, though the cross is eternal. All 144,000 should be reached by first rapture since it is that attainment that sets off the seven year Tribulation. It is the number God is looking for to begin His parousia.

The main reason the martyrs are also the man-child overcomers "who loved their lives not unto death" (Rev. 12.11), "slain for the word of God" (Rev. 6.9), and are included at first rapture is because there is mention of the martyrs in Rev. 6.11 who are told to "wait ye a little longer". This special mention deserves special receiving to heaven, indicating a separate rapture in waiting for the rest of their brethren like them who will be martyred in the Tribulation.

The only reason the resting non-144,000 and resting non-martyred overcomers are raptured at the 7th trumpet before the bowls and not at the first rapture is so as to give the promise to the majority non-overcomers comfort to be resurrected with overcomers in the body of Christ (1 Thess. 4.18). In Christ, the overcomers give comfort in Hades while waiting for the promise of resurrection together.

The reason the first rapture commences is the very same reason the Tribulation commences, for man is now ready to be received, because those raptured to the throne between the 5th and the 7th seal (which will open up the 7 year Tribulation of trumpets) are those who are most prepared and overcoming to take on Satan in heaven, because they have either already been martyred, or they are those closest to Christ (the 144,000), or they are those who receive the hope of not having to go through the Tribulation who were raptured alive not needing to be tested in the hour of trial nor go down to Hades (that place of rest and timeless unawares) for they kept the Word of His patience and remained watchful, and were accounted worthy, Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36, and can no longer be hurt by the second death (Rev. 20.6). - Troy Brooks

My reply

> > first rapture between the 5th and 7th seal


To me, the first Rapture must take place in Rev. 4:1, before the 24 elders (12 patriarchs of Israel and 12 apostles of Israel) are crowned and seated on their thrones in Rev. 4:4. John is one of the 24 elders. When Christ tells John in his trumpet voice to "Come up hither" in 4:1, all the other 23 elders must accompany him. "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect" (Heb. 11:40).

The deserving Old Testament saints are resurrected with the New Testament Bride saints wearing white robes. Together, they sing "a new song, saying, Thou (Jesus) art worthy to take the book (Title Deed to the Earth), and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION" (Rev. 5:9). All these saints singing the new song after the first Rapture are in Heaven when Jesus is given the seven-sealed book. They are in Heaven when the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. Therefore, they are in Heaven before the Tribulation starts.

The Pre-Trib Rapture is spoken of in I Thess. 4:13-18. It says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope (i.e., this group has 'that blessed hope' of Titus 2:13). For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Luke 21:36 says to believers, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (i.e., be wearing white robes at the Pre-Trib Rapture) all these things that shall come to pass (in the Tribulation), and to stand before the Son of man."

The Rapture is the departure. It comes first, before the man of sin is revealed. II Thess. 2:3 says, "that day (Day of the Lord, according to the major MSS) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, DEPARTURE) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." Apostasia means departure, as in a divorce, apostasian. Apostasia was translated as departure in the early translations of the Bible.


The Rapture of the Tribulation saints is in Rev. 7. The 144,000 Israelites and a great multitude that can't be numbered "OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes" (Rev. 7:9). "These are they which came OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God" (Rev. 7:14,15).

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is spoken of in I Cor. 15:51-53. It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We (believers, including those of both Raptures) shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY."

The dead are "raised in incorruption" (I Cor. 15:42), but not in immortality. After the whole group to be raptured are together in Heaven, they will all be changed. This is when all of them will actually become immortal. The promise will become reality. "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory" (I Cor. 15:54).

I think the Bride saints caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are the WISE VIRGINS of Mt. 25. The 144,000 caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture are the only others we know of that are added to the Bride group. Rev. 14:4,5 says, "These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT (i.e., wearing white robes) before the throne of God."

We must be wearing white robes. The Tribulation saints have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white, because they were soiled at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> > the resting non-144,000 and resting non-martyred overcomers are raptured at the 7th trumpet

No one is raptured at the 7th trumpet. Those are trumpet judgments for unbelievers only. The second Rapture is before God's wrath falls on Earth, before the 1st trumpet judgment sounds. Believers are not appointed to wrath. I Thess. 5:3 says, "For God hath NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." The second Rapture takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, but it takes place before God's wrath hits Earth at noon.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness (i.e., white robes), seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., Raptured) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast". The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon, destroying these cities on the sea coast.

There are two trumpets that call believers up to Heaven at the two Raptures. The type is in Nu. 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. And when they shall blow with them (BOTH), ALL THE ASSEMBLY SHALL ASSEMBLE THEMSELVES TO THEE (i.e., at the Second Rapture) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET (i.e., at the First Rapture), THEN THE PRINCES (the 24 elders), WHICH ARE HEADS OF THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAEL, SHALL GATHER THEMSELVES UNTO THEE." The 24 elders, including John, are crowned and sitting on their thrones in Rev. 4:4, before Jesus has received the 7-sealed book, before any seals are broken. Agape

Inside the Giants: Puzzling Differences in Jupiter and Saturn

By Robert Roy Britt, 20 July 2004

Saturn seems to have a SIGNIFICANT CORE of iron, carbon and other elements heavier than hydrogen. Credit: NASA/ESA/Hubble...

Jupiter appears not to have a significant core. It's bulk -- 318 times the mass of Earth -- my have something to do with that....

Why so different?

Both planets are about 70 percent hydrogen. Most of the rest of their makeup is helium. The remaining "heavy elements" include iron, silicon, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen.

But why would only Saturn end up with a heavy core?

My comments

Since the slabs representing the naked-eye planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn) above the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid are all stone, I bet Jupiter has a solid core too. I knew Saturn had a solid core. Job 38:37,38 (LXX) says, (Who) "is he that numbers the clouds in wisdom, and has bowed THE HEAVEN (Saturn) the earth? For it (HEAVEN) IS SPREAD OUT AS DUSTY EARTH, AND I HAVE CEMENTED IT AS ONE HEWN STONE TO ANOTHER." That sounds like the Lord formed Saturn by coalescence.

Israel Violating International Law


TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) - During a visit to the Jewish state, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana on Thursday said Israel's West Bank separation barrier violates international law.

Solana's comments came just two days after the European Union infuriated Israeli leaders by supporting a U.N. General Assembly resolution calling on Israel to tear down the barrier in compliance with a world court ruling.

My comments

Eze. 38:11,12 mentions unwalled villages. It says, "thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

Egypt proposing Mideast peace conference

7-22-04 - JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Egypt is proposing a Mideast peace conference in October, according to Moshe Debi, an adviser to Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom.

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