Pro and Con 1139

Posted 8-1-04

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One thing I noted about the great pyramid in the descending is the "point of last escape" in l997. Interestingly, the Hale-Bop comet passed in the spring of l997. This comet was last seen in "the days of Noah". Noah went into the ark seven days before the days = seven years....l997 + 7 = 2004.

Could the Hale Bop comet have been one of God's "great signs in the heavens" to tell us to "enter the ark"?

You want some more "great signs in the heavens"...check out: URL: READ: INTERPLANETARY DAY AFTER TOMORROW: PARTS 1, 2, & 3....incredible.

Here are some highlights:
Sun: More activity since 1940 than in previous 1150 years, combined
Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field ... for a supposedly “dead” planet
Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years
Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes
Mars: “Global Warming,” huge storms, disappearance of polar ice caps
Jupiter: Over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds
Saturn: Major decrease in equatorial jet stream velocities in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator
Uranus: “Really big, big changes” in brightness, increased global cloud activity
Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness
Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto recedes farther from the Sun

None of these statistics are from “fringe” scientists; they are all very, very real, and what you have just read is only the proverbial “tip of the iceberg.”This Report’s scientific data, from a variety of highly credible institutions (including NASA itself), reveals that startling “climate change” phenomena are occurring, not just here on Earth, but, in fact -- throughout the entire solar system. This material has been publicly available for nearly a decade in some cases, but it was simply never assembled into a coherent picture of “a System in significant transition” … until this writing.

Marilyn,,,there is a pole-shift coming:
Isaiah 24:1Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. 2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. 3The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.

Marilyn: when Jesus spoke of the "stars falling"....he meant what he said....when the earth flips its axis, we see the stars "fall", meaning that they appear to fall as the earth turns upside down.

Jesus said, "when you BEGIN to see these things, look up, for your redemption draweth nigh." And he said the "powers of the heavens would be shaken"...we are seeing that now....with the planetary and star changes mentioned by astronomers in the Enterprise Mission article.

I think it was Joel who said that great signs would appear in the heavens BEFORE the great day of the Lord:

see: Joel 2:30-31 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. [31] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Paul said we would at the end be "children of the light", and would not be surprised when that day came,,,,certainly the unfolding of things both terrestrial and celestial, are a clarion to us who wait for Him,,, Peace, from the Saviour whose grace, mercy and awesome glory surrounds us who wait for Him.
Interplanetary "Day After Tomorrow?"
By Richard C. Hoagland and David Wilcock, Part 3

As seen in Figure 27, Saturn displays a quasi-stationary, highly geometric, multi-tiered linear cloud pattern -- arranged in the shape of a perfect HEXAGON -- centered precisely over its northern polar region. This remarkable formation (the clouds within this geometric pattern continually race backwards, against Saturn’s eastward spin) was first discovered by time-lapse imaging from the Voyager unmanned missions, in 1980-1981. The apparent “upper atmosphere, standing wave pattern” has remained stable and visible for at least 15 years, “suggesting [it is] a long-lived feature apparently insensitive to the strong seasonal forcing in Saturn’s polar regions.”...

As Miranda (satellite of Saturn) literally resolidified, the enormous hyperdimensional resonances in the space surrounding it -- attempting to reshape the moon’s internal structure to conform to these resonant geometries still present in the aether from it’s massive, nearby primary -- were literally frozen into portions of the surface of this refreezing icy moon, preserving … forever … the otherwise invisible hyperdimensional fingerprints of the awesome planetary catastrophe which had occurred.

The presence of extensive cratering in other regions of this satellite, right alongside the highly geometric sections, Hoagland believes, testifies to the true nature of the Event which caused this literally moon-wrenching destruction and recreation: THE EXPLOSION, 65 MILLION YEARS AGO, OF ANOTHER MAJOR PLANET -- PLANET V -- ORBITING CLOSER TO THE INNER SOLAR SYSTEM… WHERE NOW ONLY THE SCATTERED DEBRIS OF ASTEROIDS ROAM.
By Richard C. Hoagland and Michael Bara

...In 1978, Naval Observatory astronomer and celestial mechanics expert, Thomas Van Flandern, put forth the idea (based on an original model by Olbers) that a relatively recent “EXPLODED PLANET” IN THE ASTEROID BELT between Mars and Jupiter was responsible for the origins of most comets and asteroids in the solar system.[8] This notion, called the Exploded Planet Hypothesis (EPH)[9], has found little support in the planetary science community, but its lines of evidence since its initial publication over twenty years ago have become increasingly compelling. Part and parcel to this hypothesis is the idea that half Mars visible surface was devastated by this proposed explosion event, neatly accounting for the cratering dichotomy between the northern and southern hemispheres, and the loss of a once dense and possibly life sustaining atmosphere.... V Remarkably, at a June, 2001 Earth Systems Processes Global Meeting in Edinburgh, Scotland, astrobiologist Bruce Runnegar of the University of California in Los Angeles presented some striking independent evidence that “something” major happened in the solar system ~65 million years ago. Runnegar and his colleagues had previously identified evidence of a 400,000-year cycle in ancient ocean sediments, indicating changes in Earth's climate corresponding to natural fluctuations in its orbit. To probe this cycle’s influence on Earth's climate over the past 100 million years, Runnegar’s team constructed computer models based on known variations in planetary orbits, their proximity to the Sun and their interactive perturbations. In running the models, they found that the known fluctuations of the solar system's dynamics remained constant going back to 65 million years ago. THEN, TO THEIR SURPRISE, THE FREQUENCY OF PERTURBATIONS TO THE ORBITS OF THE INNER PLANETS SUDDENLY CHANGED.[33]

“If the orbits of Mercury, Earth and Mars were being shaken up at this time, maybe asteroids were being shaken up too,” says Runnegard.

Or, maybe they were being formed – in a gargantuan collision....

Signatures of a Catastrophe

Assuming that only the top 1% of Planet V and K’s (another proposed planet in the vicinity) lithospheres survived this disruptive Event -- as accelerated chunks of various- sized crustal debris moving outward from the site of the collision -- large amounts of much smaller materials from the exposed high temperature mantles and cores of the respective planets would have been EJECTED AT HIGH SPEED DIRECTLY TOWARDS MARS in this Event. In looking for resulting evidence of their impacts on Mars, we should expect to see signatures of rapid surface heating and then freezing; catastrophic water and associated mudflows; a major loss of atmosphere along with huge quantities of water; and finally – hemispherical cratering on Mars from a vast amount of blast debris from Planet V.

Mars shows all these signatures and more....

However, there is sufficient evidence now consistent with this model to strongly infer the prior existence of a “Planet V.” This is based on the clear signatures of its effects now visible in the topography and geology of Mars, as well as other bodies in the solar system. The lack of a currently verifiable mechanism for Planet V’s destruction in no way diminishes the wide-ranging implications of the striking evidence of its demise, nor the quiet surface testimony of its profound effect upon the body we call “Mars.”...

My reply

Thanks much for sending me to this interesting site. I'm glad to see that someone else thinks there was a planet where the Asteroid Belt is now.

> > Could the Hale Bop comet have been one of God's "great signs in the heavens" to tell us to "enter the ark"

I think so. As you mentioned, we are supposed to watch for signs in the Sun, Moon and Constellations. When these signs begin, we can know that the Rapture is nigh. (Luke 21:25,28).

> > there is a pole-shift coming...
> > when Jesus spoke of the "stars falling".....he meant what he said.....when the earth flips its axis, we see the stars "fall", meaning that they appear to fall as the earth turns upside down.

When the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth, the globe will be turned upside down. The asteroid called Wormwood is called an "aster" (star, asteroid, or meteor). I expect the Earth to rock back and forth until it regains its equilibrium. When it does, I expect Jerusalem to be where she is now whether the magnetic poles flip or not.

I feel sure that Satan's planet Rahab that split apart was what they call "Planet V." That's a good name, for it was the 5th planet from the Sun. There was Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars and Rahab. I agree that the Asteroid Belt was formed when this planet split apart. I doubt that there was another planet between Mars and Rahab, or that Mars was ever a satellite of another planet, but I agree that Mars was pelted with debris from the catastrophic breakup of Satan's planet Rahab.

The splitting did take place in ancient days. As these authors think, it could easily have been when the dinosaurs were wiped out. Isaiah 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?" (Satan). Rahab means insolent and proud. It reminds me of Satan.

By "His (the Lord's) understanding HE SHATTERED RAHAB" (Job 26:12, NASB).

Psa. 89:10 (KJV) says, "Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies (Satan and his fallen angels) with thy strong arm."

If a rock hit Rahab, it did not have to be planet-sized. A direct hit by a mile-wide asteroid coming in at great speed might have been all it took to shatter Rahab.

The asteroid that Satan took up residence on after Rahab split will hit Earth on the Day of the Lord, so it makes sense that a rock split Rahab.

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq, big compared to tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down." Agape

Spacecraft to Start 6½-Year Mercury Trip,3566,126959,00.html

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — NASA (search) is about to embark on its hottest mission ever, to Mercury. The Messenger spacecraft, to be launched next week (launched this morning), will be blasted by up to 700-degree heat as it orbits the tiny planet closest to the sun — so close that it would be as though 11 suns were beating down on Earth....

Estimated arrival time: March 2011.

My reply

If I'm right about the timing of the Second Advent, April 5, 2011 (Nisan 1, 5771), Messenger will arrive at Mercury just before Christ arrives on Earth.

It's interesting that NASA named the spacecraft Messenger. Malachi 3:1 says, "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

At the first Advent, John the Baptist was the "messenger." During the first half of the Tribulation, the prophet Elijah will be on Earth, as will Moses. Elijah will be the messenger. Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."

I think the Day of the LORD will come on Sept. 9, 2010 (Tishri 1, 5771). At this time, Christ will receive his kingdom. Tishri 1 is the first day of the Jewish Civil Year. Tishri 1, 5771 will be seven months before the Second Advent on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Nisan 1. During the seven months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 in that Jewish Leap Year, the Israelites will bury the dead bodies to cleanse the land for the glorious return of Christ (Eze. 39:12,13).

Incoming email, Re: July 3 Post on 5 Doves by EDP

Reference the July 3, 2004 letter on the 5 Doves by EDP

I would appreciate your thoughts on what he has posted. Thanks again
Ed P (3 July 2004)
"Another timeline"

I have only posted once before, but I keep my eyes and ears open to what's happening, like you all do.

Below is a list of specific numbers related to the end times that most of us are familiar with. There have been several posts that try to map out these numbers into two basic patterns; either a 7 year period with (2) 3 1/2 parts, or a single 3 1/2 period.

Until the Sanctuary is cleansed = 2300 DAYS - Dan 8:13, Dan 8:14
Time for all things to be finished = 3 1/2 TIMES - Dan 12:7
Woman flees to the wilderness = 3 1/2 TIMES - Rev 12:14
Power given to little horn, 4th beast = 3 1/2 TIMES - Dan 7:25
Woman flees to the wilderness = 1260 DAYS - Rev 12:6
Power to 2 witnesses = 1263 1/2 DAYS - Rev 11:3 - 11:11
Tread Holy City under foot = 42 MONTHS - Rev 11:2
Power to the Beast to continue = 42 MONTHS - Rev 13:5
From Abomination to the end = 1290 DAYS - Dan 12:11
Blessed is he that waits until = 1335 DAYS - Dan 12:12
Power to hurt men = 5 MONTHS - Rev 9:10
Four angles loosed to slay 1/4 of mankind = HOUR, DAY, MONTH, YEAR - Rev 9:15

My approach was to calculate all the possible combinations of these numbers, in the Jewish calendar, where they started and ended on Feast days. I used the following feast days as a typical set to start with:

Rosh Ha-Shannah - 1 Tishri
Yom Kippur - 10 Tishri
Sukkot - 15 Tishri
Shemini Atzeret - 21 Tishri
Simkhat Torah - 22 Tishri
Noah enters Ark - 17 Heshvan
Channukah - 25 Kislev
Tu B'Shevat - 15 Shevet
Purim - 14 Adar
Purim - 15 Adar
Passover - 14 Nisan
Unleavened Bread 1 - 15 Nisan
First Fruits - 22 Nisan
Lag B'Omer - 18 Lyyar
Shavu'ot - 6 Sivan (not always 6 Sivan)
Tisha Be'Av - 9 Av

First I mapped out every one of the above feasts in Excel for the next 30 years. Then I wrote a bunch of scripts in Excel to calculate the number of days between every feast day, to every other feast day, for the whole 30 years.

This gave me some but not all the numbers of days that are listed above. What I did find was some 42 months, some 2300 days, some 2520 days, some 1263.5 days, and some 1260 days.

However, there was only ONE 1290 with a 1335 back-to-back. That one landed on 1 Tishri, 2005 (10/4/05) to 22 Nisan, 2009 (4/16/09) for 1290. Then on to 6 Sivan, 2009 (5/31/09) for 1335. The only 1260 days were either near, or at the end of the 1290 days. In fact I only found 3 -1260 days that landed on feasts for the entire 30 year period.

So I sought out to find the more specific time of Rev 9:15, that is the hour, day, month, year. Many historians believe the current Jewish calendar is off by some 242 years, not to mention that it is no longer in sync with the moon schedule. So I sought out to map out Jewish feasts to the actual moon schedule, in order to find the hour, day, month, and year. Because if you think about it, how could you ever determine this level of detail without the moon schedule ? Not possible. So why would scripture record it for us. I mean, this is so specific, that to find it, you would find EVERYTHING...

To find this I used 2 ephermeris programs (to ensure accuracy) to determine new moon dates and times for the next 30+ years. I used the new moon data to map out Jewish feasts according to the following rules:

1. Vernal Equinox begins the growing season and is the start of Jewish Feasts
2. The First conjunction (black, new moon) must take place ON or AFTER the Vernal Equinox to start counting Holy Days.
3. Start each month on the conjunction (black, new moon).
4. Autumn Equinox is when growing season ends and represents the last great day.
5. A 19 year repeatable pattern governs the accuracy and guards against errors.
6. The day begins and ends at sunset in Jerusalem, which is GMT+2

From this I mapped out all the Jewish months and feasts, just as if it were the current Jewish calender. I was looking for a leap year with 13 months, and an extra day, and hour. I found ONE match that was within seconds. It started on 14 Adar at 18:15 GMT+2 (Jerusalem time) and ended on 15 Adar 19:15 GMT+2. This corresponds to 3/3/07 to 3/22/08. Going back 5 months we end up on 15 Tishri, 2006 (10/6/06), via the moon schedule.

Now we have the 5th and 6th Trumpet, which is also the 1st and 2nd Woe.

Notice that when the 2 witnesses were raised up, that this event corresponds to a great Earthquake in the SAME HOUR.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the SAME HOUR was there a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The SECOND WOE IS PAST; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Now if the great earthquake happened in the "same hour" that the 2 witnesses were raised up, AND right after that the second woe is past...that means that the second woe (which = 6 Trumpet), ends on the EXACT hour, ie 19:15 of 15 ADAR, 2008 (3/22/08). That also means that going backwards for 1263 1/2 days you end up at 10/6/04, which is 21Tishri of the current Jewish calendar ! Is this just coincidence? Maybe, but it looks very intriguing to me....

My reply

It was a heroic effort, but I didn't get anything useful out of it. Mid-Trib may not be on a feast day. The 1290 and 1335 days may not begin or end on feast days. I think they both begin Mid-Trib. when the second 1260-day period starts.

> > Many historians believe the current Jewish calendar is off by some 242 years, not to mention that it is no longer in sync with the moon schedule.

I think the Hebrew Calendar is off by 283 years, but that has nothing to do with the orderly progression since its beginning. It started with BC 3761. There's nothing wrong with that except that they called that the year of creation. I think the creation of Adam was in BC 4044/43. That's 283 years BJE (Before Jewish Era). Since that calendar began, the years seem to have been recorded faithfully. They may have started the calendar in BC 3761, because they had recorded the exact time of the New Moon of Tishri that year.

The New Moon of Tishri was figured exactly each year, but there were some rules that might cause them to delay Tishri 1 a day or two. By Hillel's time, Tishri 1 could not be on Wednesday, Friday or Sunday. Once they decided which day would be Tishri 1 of the following year, they fitted one of the 6 kinds of years into the space between the Tishri 1 at hand and the Tishri 1 of the next year.

> > Start each month on the conjunction (black, new moon).

Tishri 1 was usually set according to the sighting of the crescent Moon. The mathematical New Moon of Tishri was figured to check on the accuracy of the sighting, or to determine the NM in times of bad weather that would make sighting the crescent Moon impossible. After Hillel published the calendar rules, the NM of Tishri has been figured mathematically rather than by sighting the crescent Moon, but it is still when the crescent is expected to be visible.

> > Now if the great earthquake happened in the "same hour" that the 2 witnesses were raised up, AND right after that the second woe is past...that means that the second woe (which = 6 Trumpet), ends on the EXACT hour, ie 19:15 of 15 ADAR, 2008 (3/22/08). That also means that going backwards for 1263 1/2 days you end up at 10/6/04, which is 21Tishri of the current Jewish calendar! Is this just coincidence? Maybe, but it looks very intriguing to me.

The resurrection and ascension of the 2 witnesses was 3.5 days past the 1260-day first half of the 7-year Tribulation. The trumpet judgments and woes take place much later than that, on the Day of God's Wrath, which I think has to be on the Feast of Trumpets.

Between the 6th and 7th seals, the 6th and 7th trumpets, and the 6th and 7th vials is a parenthetic passage. We have to look for match marks to see where to place it. Rev. 11:1-14 takes place in the first 1263.5 days of the Tribulation. Only 7000 are killed in the earthquake at Jerusalem. Later, on the Day of God's Wrath, the earthquake will be worldwide. Every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). The cities of the nations will be destroyed (Rev. 16:19). There is a big difference.

BTW, I think the Jewish Year that starts on Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath has to be a Jewish Leap Year. According to Eze. 39:12,13, there have to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. To me, these are anchor dates to add or subtract from.

The Jewish 5771 (2010/2011) is a Leap Year. Tishri 1 is Sept. 9, 2010. I think that will be the Day of God's Wrath. Nisan 1 is April 5, 2011. I think that will be the day of the Second Advent. That Nisan 1 will probably be when the sanctuary will be cleansed (Eze. 45:18,21).

Subtracting the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 from April 5, 2011 is Dec. 17, 2004. That is Teveth 5, 5765, and Esther (meaning star, hidden, or secret) was taken into the house of the king in the month of Tebeth/Teveth (Esther 2:16).

On Dec. 17, 2004, Saturn will still be in Gemini, which I think is the sign of the Rapture. Eph. 2:6 says that He "hath RAISED US UP together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus". The Bride and Bridegroom sit together in heavenly places in Gemini. Agape

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