Pro and Con 1142

Posted 8-18-04

(James Ossuary) "Update—Finds or Fakes?"

"Duke University Professor Claims: A Third of Israel Museum’s Inscriptions Are Forgeries"
By Ann Byle
http://www.biblicalarchaeologyreview.org/bswbOOossuary_forgeries.html

Zias maintained that he did see the ossuary in the mid-1990s without the reference to Jesus. As to the article in BAR by Hershel Shanks, Zias told this reporter, “Shanks, I’ll see you in court.”

Meyers, in his talk, noted that “Joe Zias has made this [statement] in a sworn deposition to the Israeli police in the presence of a lawyer and the police chief of Jerusalem and is on the record. Why this is not enough to bring a formal indictment [against Oded Golan], I’m not sure.”...

Lemaire, defending the authenticity of the ossuary inscription, said that it very probably refers to Jesus of Nazareth....He found the committee reasoning flawed and unconvincing....

Israel Antiquities Authority: Too Much Booze Nabs Golan as Forger

By Ann Byle
http://www.biblicalarchaeologyreview.org/bswbOOossuary_booze.html

It’s an open and shut case, according to Dr. Uzi Dahari, Deputy Director of the Israel Antiquities Authority and chairman of the IAA committee that found the James ossuary—inscribed “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”—to be a forgery. Oded Golan, the owner of the ossuary, is a forger!...

Dahari said the police have “so much solid evidence that they will expose him in three or four months.”...

Apparently the police were able to crack the case because of too much booze. The alleged forgery technician of the conspiracy—the man who supposedly carved the inscription—is an Egyptian jeweler who has worked in Israel for 15 years. Part of every year he works for Golan. The Egyptian jeweler has a Jewish girlfriend with whom he would go to Tel Aviv pubs and drink. While drinking, he divulged to his girlfriend what he had been doing. “[Many] people heard it,” Dahari told the rapt crowd at Cornerstone University. “The police put their finger on these people and his girlfriend,” all of whom apparently told their story to the police....

Recent Developments in the News regarding the Temple Mount

http://www.templemount.org/recent.html

The Government of Israel Reopens the Temple Mount to Israelis, Jews and Christians After the Holy Site of the Temple Had Been Closed to Non-Moslems for 3 Years

Incoming email, Re: Doves

Loved today's post at Doves! So where does that put the pre-trib rapture in your opinion? It appears to be late 2004 to me, but I bet you have a specific date in mind. Blessings

My reply, Re: Late 2004 date for the Rapture

Here are my opinions. How does Dec. 17, 2004 sound for the Pre-Trib Rapture? That is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) from Nisan 1, 5771 (Apr. 5, 2011), the Second Advent. I think that will be when Christ will come as the latter rain (Hos. 6:3).

I expect the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20) to come on the previous Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), the Feast of Trumpets. The year 5771 is a Jewish Leap Year, so there are 7 (Eze. 39:13,14) instead of 6 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1.

After I figured that out, I found out that Dec. 17 was the first day of the Roman Saternalia. It would be just like Satan to try to obscure the date that we would be caught up to Heaven (lit., the planet Saturn) by associating it with a pagan festival.

Yes. I think Heaven is on Saturn. In II Cor. 12, Paul was caught up to the 3rd heaven, (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter and (3) Saturn. According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand for the temple stood for (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn. Earth, where Christ became our Saviour, is the middle lamp. The western lamp was to be kept burning, because it represented the Sun.

The number 7 is God's number of completion and perfection. Naturally, Saturn is the 7th lamp. Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch (Jesus). For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). As seen from Earth, Saturn has seven rings. It is marked in a way that can't apply to any other planet.

Psa. 78:69 says that the Lord "built his sanctuary like high palaces (Green: places, i.e., planets), LIKE THE EARTH (a planet) which he hath established forever."

Psa. 89:36,37 says that "His seed (Jesus) shall endure for ever, and his throne (on Saturn) AS THE SUN (a sphere in our solar system) before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON (another sphere in our solar system) and AS A FAITHFUL WITNESS (therefore visible) in heaven." Saturn is a naked-eye planet.

Saturn has thick clouds and orbits along the ecliptic. Job 22:12-14 says, "Is not God in the height of heaven?...thou sayest, How doth God know? can he judge through the dark cloud? Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and HE WALKETH IN THE CIRCUIT (i.e., along the ecliptic) OF HEAVEN."

Psa. 19:6 says, "His going forth is from the end (qatsah; extremity) of the heaven, and HIS CIRCUIT unto the ends (extremities) of it." The circuit tells us that His going forth is from a planet, a wanderer. Stars don't move within the lifetime of one man. They form the stationary background against which we see the planets move.

In Eze. 1, the four things moving in concentric rings, wheels within wheels, around the central Sun ("a fire infolding itself," v. 4) in the heavens (v. 1) are the four terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. The Sun and "one wheel upon the earth" (v. 15) are important clues to help us unravel the meaning of Ezekiel's visions in chapters 1 and 10.

Over the heads (i.e., farther out in space) than the terrestrial planets is Saturn. Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (Christ's), as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it." I think Christ's throne is on Saturn.

Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn. It represents Saturn in Eze. 28:13 too. The sapphire is listed there as the 7th stone, just as the 7th lamp on the lampstand represented Saturn.

Saturn has a halo around it. Eze. 1:28 describes the rings: "As the appearance of the bow (the rainbow formed by sunshine on ice crystals) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the BRIGHTNESS round about" (the rings are BRIGHT because of the sunshine on ice crystals).

In Rev. 2:28, Jesus said of overcomers, "I will give him the morning star." He also said that he was the "BRIGHT and morning star" in Rev. 22:16, but the overcomers already have Jesus in their heart. He probably said he was the bright morning star, because that's where his throne is located. Saturn is now a morning star. It is in Gemini, the sign of the Rapture, when the Bride will sit in heavenly places with the Bridegroom.

Saturn will still be a morning star in Gemini on Dec. 17, 2004. It will be up all night in November, 2004. If I remember right, Saturn will become an evening star sometime in January, 2005.

Maybe on that day Eph. 2:6 will come true. It says that he "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

I hope we will be caught up to Heaven Dec. 17, 2004, the day the Tribulation will probably begin. Israel has just taken the temple mount away from Arafat, and installed Jordan as overseer instead. Next week, Christians and Jews are supposed to be able to go up on the mount. This is hailed as preliminary to rebuilding the temple. Agape

His reply

Thanks so much. You are amazing! Blessings

Incoming email

In light of all the theories being discussed about the great pyramid in your pro and cons lately, I thought this link might be of interest to you.
http://www.unsale.com.tw/star/gazers/heaven/heaven/newjerus.htm

I have wondered for sometime if New Jerusalem itself might in fact be a magnificent pyramid shaped city as this website suggests, based on Revelation 21....

Below is a portion of their view.

The angel measured the length of the city 12000 furlongs long, which is about 1500 Roman miles, or about 1400 English miles which amounts to about 2.200 KM! But that is just one side of it. And as its surface is a (four)square, it has four sides that long, altogether about 8.800 KM around! That's as big as Europe! THAT IS A GIANT CITY! HUMONGOUS!! But, it also says that the length and the width AND THE HEIGHT of it are equal! So it is not some flat city... but it goes up 2.200 KM as well! Now you can imagine that anyway you want, like a big cube or something, but we are inclined to believe that it looks more like a tent as it said, or a mountain, "the mountain of the Lords house!" So it might very well look like a gigantic pyramid, sticking 2.200 KM out of the earth's atmosphere which goes up only about 10 KM! What a city! WOW! In Christ

My reply

Rev. 21:16 says, "the city lies FOURSQUARE, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The LENGTH and the BREADTH and the HEIGHT of it are EQUAL!"

To me, this city is a sphere. The length, breadth and height of a sphere are the same. Has the Hubble Space Telescope ever photographed something that large in space that is a pyramid? No. The Moon and planets are spheres formed by coalescense. As the rocks come together, every one of them tries to get as close to the center of gravity as possible. That eventually forms a sphere.

Job 38:37,38 (LXX) says, "who is he that numbers the clouds in wisdom, and has bowed the heaven...to the earth (i.e., as viewed from Earth)? For it (heaven) is spread out AS DUSTY EARTH, AND I HAVE CEMENTED IT AS ONE HEWN STONE TO ANOTHER."

The Holy of Holies was a cube that represented Heaven, which is a sphere with the same dimensions as a box that the globe would fit into.

We have seen satellite photos of Earth. We know the Earth is a sphere. Yet, the Earth is said to have four corners. Isa. 11:12 says, "he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH." Rev. 7:1 says, "after these things I saw four angels standing on the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

If Earth's globe is foursquare, Heaven's globe can be foursquare, and New Jerusalem can be a globe that is foursquare. The length, width and height are equal.

It looks like New Jerusalem will orbit Earth like the Moon. Rev. 21:24 says, "the nations of them which are saved shall WALK IN THE LIGHT OF IT: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."

> > WHERE ARE THE 2ND AND THE 3RD HEAVEN?

Mars is the 1st, Jupiter the 2nd and Saturn the 3rd heaven. That's where Paul went in II Cor. 12.2. He was "caught up (harpazo, i.e., raptured) to the third heaven." Verse 4 says that "he was caught up (harpazo) into paradise." It looks like Paradise is now in the 3rd heaven, Saturn. Agape

Incoming email, Re: occult pyramids

The Occult and cults love the Pyramids. Let's believe the Bible and not the Egyptian's Book of the Dead nor their occultist pyramids, regardless of C.Larkin....

My reply

It doesn't matter what cults have done with the Great Pyramid in modern times. I'm just glad that most of the modern cult's measurement dates have passed. We don't have to worry about those.

I think God inspired its builders, Adam, Seth and probably Enoch. No one could have built it to that degree of perfection without God's instructions. Sneferu tried to copy it. His first attempt is what we now call the Bent Pyramid. It was falling apart already, so they had to change the angle of ascent to be able to finish it at all.

In our days, we can't even figure out how they could have cut the stone, especially the red granite. Herodotus said it took them 10 years to build the machines to use in the construction. I would like to know what kind of machines they built. Surely God instructed them. The Great Pyramid was built before the Great Flood. It left sea-salt deposits in the pyramid.

Satan would very much like to associate everything that is true with pagan things. He is the one that set up false religions and false saviours. We shouldn't let that camouflage blind us to God's work on the pyramid. After all, Isa. 19:19 is in the Bible. It says, "In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a PILLAR at the border thereof to the LORD." Alexandria sank beneath the Mediterranean waters. I have a feeling that the Grand Pyramid will end up being "at the border" of Egypt after the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:1-5).

Josephus said that Adam and Seth "were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, THEY MADE TWO PILLARS; the one of brick, the other of STONE; they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the PILLAR OF STONE MIGHT REMAIN, AND EXHIBIT THOSE DISCOVERIES TO MANKIND; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad (Egypt) to this day" (Ant. I. II. 3). This was written in the first century AD.

What do you think this pillar of stone is? Agape

Incoming email, Re: To Mrs. Agee, From: Mecha

> > > Mesha: In Matthew 24 we get an odd comment - Where the carcass is you shall find the eagles gathered together.

> > Mt. 24:28 says, "For wheresoever the carcase (ptoma, body, i.e., Body of Christ) is (at the 'general assembly' in Heaven, Heb. 12:23), there will the EAGLES (Tribulation saints) be gathered together."... Thank you for your reply. If I am understanding it correctly, you are saying the gathering of the saints is in Matthew 24:28. How does this translate to the gathering of the Elect after Jesus' return. That is where most post-tribbers get their Idea of a Post-Tribulation Rapture. But as we read in Ezekiel 39 the Lord comes, destroys the armies arrayed against Israel and the Angel shouts stating that the Lord has prepared a sacrifice for the birds and the beasts. In Revelation 19 we have the Lord returning and he destroys those arrayed against Israel and the Angel shouting that the Lord has prepared a feast for the Birds. And this is why I believe what I had written about the carcass and the eagles. But none the less we are talking about the gathering of the elect after the Lord's return. In Ezekiel 39 after the Lord returns He sends out his messangers to gather all of Israel back to the land. Isaiah 60 and Jeremiah 11 support this.

Now I am not saying you are wrong about the Eagles wings and the Carcass being christ, because I can see how you believe that and I admit I could be wrong. I was referring to the gathering of the elect that the Post-Tribbers claim is the Post-Trib rapture, but there are too many passages in the Old Testament that refutes that. Perhaps I just didn't make myself all that clear about it.

My reply

Maybe I could make my position clearer.

> > If I am understanding it correctly, you are saying the gathering of the saints is in Matthew 24:28.

The gathering of the Tribulation saints is in view, but still future. Mt. 24:15 is Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). Verses 23 and 24 are still Mid-Trib. They say, "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there: believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets." Verse 26 is still Mid-Trib. It says, "behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

In the next section, verses 27-31 skip to the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath. It is the coming of Christ for the Tribulation saints, not the Second Advent. This is the Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, that will be SEVEN JEWISH MONTHS (Eze. 39:12,13) BEFORE THE SECOND ADVENT on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

Mt. 24:27-31 says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man (i.e., for the Tribulation saints) be. For wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., the Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints) be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days (Mid-Trib to the Day of God's Wrath) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (6th seal, Rev. 6:12f), and the stars (asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10) shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then (tote, at the same time) SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then (tote, at the same time) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (but he doesn't set his feet on Earth for 7 more months). And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

The Bride of Christ will be gathered to the general assembly in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). At the same time, the Tribulation saints will be caught up to that same general assembly in Heaven. Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of heaven" (the Bride saints that were already in Heaven, having been caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. That's why they had to be gathered from one end of Heaven to the other.

This dovetails with Isa. 26:19-21. It says, "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they ARISE. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead (this is the last rank in the First Resurrection, I Cor. 15:23). COME, MY PEOPLE (like the 'Come up hither' of Rev. 4:1, but for the 144,000 of Rev. 7), enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: HIDE thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, THE LORD COMETH OUT OF HIS PLACE TO PUNISH THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH FOR THEIR INIQUITY: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain."

Zeph. 2:3-5 speaks of the great multitude that no man can number of Rev. 7:9 being hid in that day. It says, "Seek ye the LORD, ALL YE MEEK OF THE EARTH, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast". The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea.

The unbelievers left on Earth will say "to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (the Sign of the Son of Man seen in the sky), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:16,17).

> > How does this translate to the gathering of the Elect after Jesus' return.

It isn't talking about after the Second Advent, only about the Day of God's Wrath 7 months before the Second Advent.

> > we are talking about the gathering of the elect after the Lord's return. In Ezekiel 39 after the Lord returns He sends out his messangers to gather all of Israel back to the land.

On the Day of God's Wrath, all Israel will be saved in a day. Isa. 66:8 says, "as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." All the scattered ones will be taken back to God's land.

> > I was referring to the gathering of the elect that the Post-Tribbers claim is the Post-Trib rapture

The gathering after the Day of God's Wrath will be on Earth. There are no more Raptures after the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath. It is "the last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52). Agape

Donna's reply

Donna Danna (13 Aug 2004) "REPLY TO MECHA -- CARCASE IS A DEAD BODY (MATT.24:28)"

The Greek word for "carcase" in Matthew 24:28 is "ptoma" which is word # 4430 in Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary of the New Testament. The definition given for ptoma is "lifeless body (corpse, carrion): dead body, carcase, corpse." So the dead body can't be the body of Christ that is the carcase in that verse.

However, a similar verse, Luke 17:37 also says, "And they answered and said unto him, Where Lord?: And he said unto them, Wherever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." In this verse the Greek word for "body" is "soma" which is word #4983, and it's meaning is "the body (as a sound whole), used in a wide application, lit. or fig.: bodily, body, slave." So this verse could mean the collective body of people assembled where the eagles are gathered together.

Ezekiel 39:17-22 also shows the Lord speaking to a son of man and tells him to request every feathered fowl and beast of the field to assemble themselves together to eat the great sacrifice of flesh and to drink the blood of men, and the Lord also sets his glory among the heathen at that time and the house of Israel shall know the Lord.

In Rev. 19:17-18, an angel is requesting all the fowls of heaven to gather themselves together for the supper of the Great God to eat the flesh of captains might men and of horses and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. This happens when the Lord Jesus returns from heaven with his army of saints which is the body of Christ. It will be the carcases of dead men that these birds will be feasting on.

It sounds like the events of Matthew 24:28, Ezekiel 39:17-22, and in Rev. 19:17-18 take place at the second coming of the Lord to the earth with all his saints in heaven.

Also he Greek word for "eagles" in Matthew 24:28 and in Luke 17:37 is "aetos" which is #105 in Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary, and it means, "eagle." God bless, Donna

My reply

> > Donna: The Greek word for "carcase" in Matthew 24:28 is "ptoma" which is word # 4430 in Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary of the New Testament. The definition given for ptoma is "lifeless body (corpse, carrion): dead body, carcase, corpse." So the dead body can't be the body of Christ that is the carcase in that verse.

> > However, a similar verse, Luke 17:37 also says, "And they answered and said unto him, Where Lord?: And he said unto them, Wherever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." In this verse the Greek word for "body" is "soma" which is word #4983, and it's meaning is "the body (as a sound whole), used in a wide application, lit. or fig.: bodily, body, slave." So this verse could mean the collective body of people assembled where the eagles are gathered together.

Thanks for comparing Mt. 24:28 and Luke 17:37. To me, they are both talking about the Pre-Wrath Rapture. We must let the Bible interpret itself.

The Lord set the type in the Old Testament. In Ex. 19:4 He said, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF."

The Israelites came to Mt. Sinai, which represented Heaven. Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., heavenly body) in his clearness."That's why there was a sapphire pavement under His feet. Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

It looks like Christ's throne is on Saturn. Eze. 1:25-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness (i.e., symbol) of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it" (Eze. 1:26).

The place of Jesus' throne has 7 rings upon it. Eze. 1:28 says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about." Zech 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch. For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, rings).

Isa. 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Jer. 49:21,22 says, "The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red sea. Behold, he (the LORD) SHALL COME UP AND FLY AS THE EAGLE, AND SPREAD HIS WINGS OVER BOZRAH: and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs." This is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath.

The two Raptures are the two Days of the Son of Man. Luke 17:22,23 says, "And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one (singular) of the days (plural, i.e., two) of the Son of man (the Pre-Trib Rapture as the days of Noah; the Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the days of Lot), and ye (i.e., those in the Tribulation) shall not see it (the Pre-Trib Rapture). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them." This ties in with Mt. 24:26's "believe it not."

In Luke 17:25,26, Jesus tells what comes first. He must "be rejected of this generation. AND as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (plural) of the Son of Man." The Pre-Trib Rapture, the first Day of the Son of Man, must take place first, i.e., before the Tribulation.

Then, in Luke 17:28-37, Jesus tells us about the 2nd Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture. "Likewise also as it was in the DAYS OF LOT; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom (prefiguring the 2nd Rapture) it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all (the 2nd Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath). Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed (i.e., when men see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky). In that day (Tishri 1 in the year of the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1), he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. Two women shall be grinding together; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (i.e., the Body of Christ that was caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture) is (in Heaven), thither will the eagles (Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Of this time, Mt. 24:27-29 says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase (ptoma, fallen body of one that is dead; Thayer) is (in Heaven, Jesus having taken the Old Testament saints in Paradise to Heaven after his resurrection), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints) be gathered together. IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened." This is 6th seal. By 6 PM that day, the Eve of Trumpets, "the day of his wrath is come" (Rev. 6:12-17).

IMMEDIATELY "after these things", we read of the angels holding back the winds until the Tribulation saints, "which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb," are caught up to Heaven (Rev. 7:1-14).

After the Tribulation saints are caught up to Heaven, the 7th seal is broken. And "there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour" (Rev. 8:1). I think this is while Christ is being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. At the same time, there is silence on Earth. Hab. 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

Rev. 11:18,19 says, "And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

What is in the Ark? the two stones with the ten commandments on them. They represent the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10. The stones will be dumped on Earth after all the saints are safe in Heaven.

It looks like Christ will be crowned in Heaven, come to Earth's atmosphere, catch up the Tribulation saints, and then sit as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven.

All the saints, small and great, will be receiving their rewards while the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8 and 10 destroy the cities of the nations (Rev. 16:18,19) and bring down every wall in the worldwide earthquake (Eze. 38:20). And "there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne (of Christ), saying, IT IS DONE" (Rev. 16:17).

All this is 7 months before the Second Advent. Eze. 38:20 tells of the Wrath of God. Eze. 39:12,13 tells of the 7 months that follow the Day of God's Wrath. Eze. 39:11-13 says, "there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (at the Second Advent, Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year), saith the Lord GOD."

> > It sounds like the events of Matthew 24:28, Ezekiel 39:17-22, and in Rev. 19:17-18 take place at the second coming of the Lord to the earth with all his saints in heaven.

Mt. 24:28 is BEFORE the sun is darkened at the breaking of the 6th seal. Verse 29 says, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the SUN BE DARKENED."

Rev. 6:12 says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN BECAME BLACK as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood."

Christ does not return on the dark day. Zech. 14:5-9 says, "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and THE LORD MY GOD SHALL COME, AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE. And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, THAT THE LIGHT SHALL NOT BE CLEAR, NOR DARK: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."

Christ does not return until after the 7th seal is broken, after the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth, and after the 7 vials of God's wrath are completed. Agape

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