Pro and Con 1145

Posted 8-29-04

My reply to incoming e-mail (omitted because of length) from Jim Simon, Re: Pre-Trib Rapture?

> > I've read your site pro's and con's and see that you believe in the pre trib rapture. I don't

> > Isaiah 57:1,2 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

You can't see the forest for the trees. Isaiah 57:1,2 describes the Pre-Trib Rapture. This scripture says, "THE RIGHTEOUS (ones that believe in the Redeemer, the Saviour) perisheth (abad, TAKEN, ESCAPE, i.e., are raptured), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (asaph, gathered, removed, taken up, withdrawn, i.e., raptured), none considering (biyn, discerning, understanding) that THE RIGHTEOUS (i.e., a believer) is TAKEN AWAY (asaph, gathered, removed, taken up, taken away, withdrawn, i.e., raptured) from the evil (Tribulation) to come. He (the believer)shall enter into peace (i.e., in Heaven): they (believers) shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness."

ABAD, Strong's H6, A primitive root; properly to wander away, that is lose oneself; by implication to perish (causatively, destroy): - break, destroy (-uction), + not escape, fail, lose, (cause to, make) perish, spend, X and surely, take, be undone, X utterly, be void of, have no way to flee. Abad means wander away, take, escape. Another word must be used with it for it to mean escape not.

ASAPH, Strong's H622, A primitive root; to gather for any purpose; hence to receive, take away, that is, remove (destroy, leave behind, put up, restore, etc.): - assemble, bring, consume, destroy, fetch, gather (in, together, up AGAIN), X generally, get (him), lose, put all together, receive, recover [another from leprosy], (be) rereward, X surely, take (away, into, up), X utterly, withdraw.

If we didn't understand ABAD correctly, maybe we can catch the true meaning from ASAPH. It means gather up AGAIN, withdraw, remove, take up and take away. The righteous are taken up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. They are taken up "from the evil (Tribulation) to come" (afterward). They are to be gathered up again, because the first group were gathered up and taken to Heaven on Resurrection Day in 30 AD. On the Feast of Firstfruits, Jesus took those in Paradise to Heaven.

Isa. 57:2,3 says, "He (the righteous) shall enter into peace (in Heaven): they shall rest in their BEDS, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw NEAR hither, ye sons of the sorceress (i.e., the 2 beasts of Rev. 13), the seed of the adulterer and the whore." At the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Tribulation is "near."

Psa. 149:1,5 speaks of the saints in Heaven. It says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG (sung by the saints after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9), and his praise in the CONGREGATION OF SAINTS. Let the saints (the righteous) be joyful IN GLORY (Heaven): let them SING ALOUD UPON THEIR BEDS."

Rev. 4:2; 5:8-10 says, "immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set IN HEAVEN...SAINTS. And they (the righteous saints) SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou (the Lion of the tribe of Judah, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer) art worthy to take the book, and to OPEN THE SEALS (i.e., in the comingTribulation) thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us (the saints) to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall (in the future, i.e., after the Second Advent) reign on (epi, over) the earth."

These saints out of every nation are present in Heaven when Christ is given the Seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth. They are in Heaven in Rev. 4 and 5, BEFORE the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6.

John is one of the 24 elders in Rev. 4:4. I John 1:1 is written by "The ELDER unto the elect lady and her children." III John 1:1 is from "The ELDER unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth." Peter is also one of the elders. 1Peter 5:1 says, "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an ELDER, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also A PARTAKER of the glory that shall be revealed" (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture).

When John is caught up to Heaven, the other 23 elders are caught up too. All 24 are crowned and seated on their thrones in Rev. 4:4. The elders are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel. Proof: their names are on the heavenly city New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:12,14).

In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev 1, John said in verse 10, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., on the first of two Days of the Son of Man, the two Raptures, one as the days of Noah, the other as the days of Lot, Luke 17:22f), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a TRUMPET (the first 'trump of God' (I Thess. 4:16).

The "Lord's day" is not the Day of the Lord. Elijah must come first (Mal. 4:5) and prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:1f).

After John is told to "Come up hither," Jesus says, "and I will shew thee things which MUST BE HEREAFTER" (hereafter the Rapture) (Rev. 4:1). In the Preview of the Rapture in chapter 1, Jesus told John to "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (hereafter the Rapture) (Rev. 1:19).

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is at the Rapture.

How will he look? In the Preview of the Rapture, we find out. Rev. 1:13-15 says, "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."

What will he say? In Rev. 1:8, he greets us with, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (YHWH) AND the ending (YHWH of hosts, Isa. 44:6), saith the Lord, which is (at the Pre-Trib Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (in the air at the future Pre-Wrath Rapture, and 7 months after that, at the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13), the Almighty."

> > Matthew 24:38,39 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe intered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. -----As is very clear, "they" refers very specifically to the evil people and "took them" refers to their death, not their rapture.

You have it backwards. Luke 17:36,37 says, "one shall be taken...Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (soma, i.e., Body of Christ) is (it's in Heaven, having been caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture), thither will the eagles (the Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Here is the type. Ex. 19:4 says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians (gave them plagues and tribulation), and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF."

> > Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
> > Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
> > Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
> > Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The one taken will, like Noah and his family, remain alive. Those not taken in either the Pre-Trib Rapture or the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be destroyed.

> > Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark....

> > 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them
> > 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord...

The word "prevent" is Old English for precede. The living will not precede the resurrected dead in Christ. We will be "caught up (i.e., raptured), and together with the resurrected dead in Christ meet the Lord in the air.

> > Many people have been deceived into believing that the righteous will suddenly dissappear and go to heaven before the tribulations. Nowhere does the Bible say that. There are some rapture theorist who like to use Colossians 3:4 to try to support their theory. It reads "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him glory." They say that the saints that were previously raptured will come with Christ from heaven and appear in glory. Nowhere in this verse or any other verse does the Bible say that the saints will be coming from heaven in glory. To the contrary, the Bible very specifically teaches that the ones "in glory" are the saints that are raised in 1Corinthians15:42,43 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power." (all underscoring is mine) It is very clear that the ones in glory are rising from the earth and not coming from heaven. Furthermore, the Bible is very explicit in defining the order of those who will be caught up with Christ . We read 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." The ones who are alive and remain is referring to the saints who were not persecuted (killed) during the tribulation, and who made it through the tribulation. Those who keep God's commandments. Read Revelation 14:12,13 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."

There are 2 Raptures, the Pre-Trib Rapture, at the first "trump of God" (I Thess. 4:16), and the Pre-Wrath Rapture, at "the last trump" of God (I Cor. 15:51,52). "And the LORD shall be seen over them (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south."

The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place on the Day of God's Wrath (Tishri 1), 7 Jewish months before the Second Advent (Nisan 1) (Eze. 39:12,13).

> > Of course God's saints will be true commandment keepers not false commandment keepers.

Are you a legalist? Do you think you can be saved by obeying the law? For all those years between the Exodus and the Crucifixion, the Jews tried to be saved by keeping the commandments. It didn't work. No one was ever saved by keeping the law, not one. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. "There is none righteous, no, not one" (Rom. 3:10). The only way we can be saved is by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as our own personal Saviour. "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD" (Rom. 3:23). "FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH; BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD" (Rom. 6:23).

"And if by grace, then is it NO MORE OF WORKS...What then: Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded" (Rom. 11:6,7).

> > Also notice in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 , which you have just read, "alive and remain until the coming of the Lord". The living aren't going anywhere until Christ comes after the tribulations have already begun.

Christ comes in the air at the Pre-Trib Rapture. He comes in the air at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. He sets his feet on the Mt. of Olives at the Second Advent. If he didn't take away the saints, they would be here to go through the Wrath of God. Yet, I Thess. 5:9-11 says, "For GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

Your way, we would have to not only go through the Tribulation, but go through the wrath of God too. That is not comforting. The Second Advent is 7 months AFTER the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20; 39:12,13).

> > We will notice that there are two armies mentioned in regards to the final events of Revelation. The first army that comes from heaven is in reference to angels. Song 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Revelation 19: 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

> > We see in Ezekiel that the army of saints are those who come out of the graves, not heaven, at Christ's 2nd coming when he comes with his army of angels from heaven.

Zec 14:4,5 says, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and THE LORD MY GOD SHALL COME, AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE."

To return from Heaven with Christ, all the saints must have been caught up to Heaven previously. They return with Christ, accompanied by the holy angels.

> > Furthermore, many pre-tribulation rapture theorist like to use Jude 1:14,15 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." Let me say that I wholly believe that the Bible is true. But there have been some translation errors and I won't go into that at this time. Instead, I will refer you to read The Book of Enoch (http://exodus2006.com/5enoch.htm) and see for yourself what Enoch really said in Chap. 1 verse 9 "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh". Do you see the word "saints" anywhere in that verse? Mark 8:38 "......he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels." End of story.

He comes with the holy angels in Mark 8:38. He comes with all the saints in Zech. 14:5,6. To get the whole story, we have to put like passages together.

How can you take a translation of an apocryphal book over Scripture? Worse than that, you presume to correct the Bible with an apocryphal Book of Enoch. Is that wise? We may not even have a copy of the original Book of Enoch.

Also, take a look at http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe108.htm. There the Book of Enoch says, "And now fear not, ye righteous, when ye see the sinners growing strong and prospering in their ways: be not companions with them, but keep afar from their violence; for ye shall become companions of the hosts of heaven." Maybe you made too much of what you found before.

> > We see in the following passages that Christ was the firstfruits risen and after the tribulation, they that are Christ's at his coming.

> > Mark 13:24,26 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

The whole Tribulation is not over at this point. That is why it is qualified as "THAT tribulation." It is up to the SIXTH SEAL. That is when the Sun will be darkened (Rev. 6:12). When the clouds are rolled away like a scroll, men will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky. He will be sitting on a throne. That doesn't include his touching his feet down on Earth. Just as he comes in the air at the 1st Rapture, he will come in the air at the 2nd Rapture. I think that will be on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17), but before the SEVENTH SEAL is opened (Rev. 8:1). The asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5) on the Day of God's Wrath. Seven months later (Eze. 39:12,13), Jesus will set his feet on the Mt. of Olives at the Second Advent.

> > 1 Corinthians 15:20,23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The Bible was originally written with no punctuation. We can't build a doctrine on the supplied punctuation. Christ was the firstfruit on Resurrection Day. It was the Feast of Firstfruits. The dead in Christ in Paradise were the "firstfruits" from among men that day. Jesus took Paradise to Heaven. After that, Christ comes three times. He comes in the air at the Pre-Trib Rapture and at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. He sets his feet on the Mt. of Olives (Zech. 14:4,5) at the Second Advent.

Christ also came as the angel of the Lord to free Peter and show us how it will be when he says "Come up hither" at the Rapture. Acts 12:7 says, "behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands."

> > Many believe the event will be quite and uneventful, with people suddenly disappearing. That is not Biblical. To the contrary, it will be very noticeable with every eye seeing Christ, fire, trumpet sound, etc.

Many will see the Rapture. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (like Jeremiah), out of the miry clay (these bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (the planet Heaven), and established my goings (as he will do at both Raptures). And he hath put a new song in my mouth (sung by the saints in Heaven after both Raptures (Rev. 5:9 and 14:3), even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Pre-Trib Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." God never leaves himself without a witness. These will probably be on fire for the Lord during the Tribulation. They may end up being martyrs because of their zeal.

> > Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." If there is such a thing as a rapture, then why were these people not raptured before these persecutions began. The reason is because there is no pre-tribulation rapture.

I don't believe that. These are Laodiceans, those that saw the Rapture take place, and new converts. Remember too, during the first half of the Tribulation, Moses and Elijah will be prophesying.

> > If God's saints are taken up in a rapture before the tribulation, then who are these saints that "should be killed". They are obviously killed during the tribulation. According to the rapture theory, the 1000 year millineum begins before the tribulation (which is non-Biblical).

There are Old Testament saints, New Testament saints and Tribulation saints. Failure to distinguish between the 3 groups leads to misunderstanding. As for the Millennium, you are right. It begins on the Day of God's Wrath, not at or before the beginning of the Tribulation.

> > Revelation 7:14 "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (It is obvious that the only way God's saints can come out of the tribulation is if they go through it.)

The first group do not come out of great tribulation. They are kept out of (ek) the Tribulation (Rev. 3:10). They are caught up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1, just before the Tribulation begins. The second group are the Tribulation saints. They are caught up just before the Wrath of God hits Earth, actually between 6 AM and noon, for the wrath hits Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5).

> > The following verse confirms the fact that God's saints will be on earth during the tribulations to be persecuted by the beast power and his image, and will not be taken up in the clouds before the tribulations since they could not have been beheaded if they were taken up in a rapture....

You fail to take into consideration the 3 groups of saints. The Old Testament saints were caught up to Heaven on Resurrection Day, 30 AD. The wise Philadelphian virgin saints will be caught up to Heaven just before the Tribulation begins. The foolish Laodicean virgin Tribulation saints will be caught up to Heaven just before the Wrath of God is poured out on the unbelievers left on Earth.

Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Luke 21:25-28,34-36 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth (in the Tribulation): for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then (at 6th seal, Rev. 6:12f) shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory (i.e., the Sign of the Son of man, Mt. 24:30). And when these things (signs) begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh....And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

> > Revelation 20:4,5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

> > The rapture theorist also believe that those who didn't get caught up during the pre-tribulation will get a 2nd chance to redeem themselves during the tribulation in preparation for when Christ comes. This is also non-Biblical. We know from Revelation 16:2, that the Mark of the Beast is imposed before the tribulation( wrath of God) begins and those having the mark will receive the plagues.

The Mark of the Beast is imposed by the second beast of Rev. 13, the False Prophet during the Great Tribulation, the shortened last half of the Tribulation (Rev. 13:11-18). The wrath of God is poured out on Earth on one day, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, not during the whole Tribulation.

Rev. 13:5,6 says, "there was given unto him (the first beast of Rev. 13, probably the Tribulation Pope), a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to CONTINUE (i.e., he is already in office at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture and gets left behind) forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, TO BLASPHEME his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN."

This group in Heaven is the Bride of Christ that was caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture as the 42 months began. Before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6 to start the Tribulation, they are in Heaven, and are "OUT OF (ek) every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev. 5:9).

Rev. 3:10 says to the wise Philadelphian virgins, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM (ek, OUT OF) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

> > Do you know what is the Mark of the Beast? It's not, as rapture theorist believe, 666, a microchip, a computer in Brussels, etc...or any other non-Biblical man- made doctrine. For a full and very well documented study, E-mail: bluemax722@yahoo.com entitle it---Please send Mark of Beast study---otherwise I will not open it for security reasons

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> > Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other.

Among these saints that are in Heaven are those wise Philadelphian virgins that were caught up at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> > 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled REST WITH US, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God

Those Tribulation saints "who are troubled REST WITH US" in Heaven at the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f). That will be the Day of God's Wrath, but the Rapture will be before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5).

> > 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Notice that the dead will rise first. Nowhere does it say in the whole Bible that the living will rise first. This is very important. We will refer to this again briefly.

> > Zechariah 9:14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

I Thess. 4:13-18 is about the first "trump of God", the first Rapture.

Zech. 9:14 is about "the last trump" of I Cor. 15:51,52, the last Rapture.

> > Matthew 24:27,28 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The eagles, high flyers, Tribulation saints, will be gathered in Heaven, where the Body of Christ was taken before the Tribulation began. Luke 17:36,37 says, "Two men shall be in the field ('The field is the world,' Mt. 13:38); the one shall be TAKEN (i.e., taken away from the world), and the other left (i.e., left in the world). And they answered and said unto him, WHERE, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is (the Body of Christ is in HEAVEN), thither will the eagles (Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

The type is in Ex. 19:4. It says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians (sent them plagues), and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF."

> > Matthew 24:36-40 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Did you understand that? The wicked were the ones who were "taken away" (destroyed).

In Noah's day, there were two groups, saved and lost. Noah and his family (saved) were not part of the group (lost) and taken away. To me, the ones "taken away" in verses 40 and 41 are not destroyed. They are the saved, taken to Heaven. Why do I think that? Mt. 24:42 says to BELIEVERS, "WATCH therefore: for YE (believers) know not what hour YOUR LORD doth come." Couple that with Rev. 3:10, where the Lord says he will keep the Philadelphian overcomers OUT OF (ek) the trial that is to come upon the whole world. That trial is the Tribulation.

We must distinguish between "YOU" (believers that will be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture) and "THEM" (the ones left behind at the Rapture). Only the worthy will escape in the Rapture.

Luke 21:34-36 says to BELIEVERS, "take heed to YOURSELVES (believers), lest at any time YOUR (believers) hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and SO THAT DAY (day of the Rapture and beginning of the Tribulation trial that is to come upon the whole world, Rev. 3:10) come upon YOU (believers) unawares. For as a snare (trap) shall it (the Tribulation trial) come on all THEM THAT DWELL ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH. Watch YE (believers) therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (from the face of the whole Earth, thus escaping) ALL THESE THINGS (i.e., missing ALL the Tribulation trial) that shall come to pass (after the Rapture), and to stand before the Son of man" (in Heaven).

The 1st Rapture is as the days of NOAH (Mt. 24:37-41; Luke 17:26-31). Water fell the day the Lord shut the door of the Ark. Noah was "accounted worthy to escape" all the things that happened to those outside the Ark.

The 2nd Rapture is as the days of LOT (Luke 17:32-37). Fire fell that same day, just as it will do on the Day of God's Wrath. Lot barely escaped God's Wrath that wiped out Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plains.

> > Nowhere-past, present, or future- does the Bible ever speak of a rapture. Not during the Exodus, nor the days of Noah, nor Sodom and Gomorhha, never!! God's people were always on earth during those perilous times.

> > So will it be during the end time tribulations. His remnant are the ones who always are left or remain alive.

Don't kid yourself. I Thess. 4:13-17 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, BRETHREN (believers), concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as OTHERS WHICH HAVE NO HOPE. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto YOU (believers) by the word of the Lord, that WE (believers) which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE which are alive and remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP (harpazo, caught up, raised up, taken up by force, raptured) together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: AND SO SHALL WE (believers) EVER BE WITH THE LORD." We will be raised up from the Earth as Noah was raised up above Earth when the Ark floated above the mountain tops.

> > Isaiah 66:22,23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name (Israel) remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Don't confuse Israel with the Church. Israel is promised the Earth forever. The Church is promised Heaven. In John 14:1-3, Jesus said, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." When He comes, He will take those that are "accounted worthy" to HIS PLACE.

> > In regards to Daniel 9:24, pre-tribulation rapturists reject Artaxerxes' decree of 457 B.C.E. issued to Ezra as being the correct one. They use his 445 B.C.E. decree to Nehemiah to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the walls of the city as their starting point. Unfortunately, 483 years after this date brings us to 40 C.E., a date all scholars agree is too late for the start of the Messiah's ministry.

People speak of Ezra, Artaxerxes, and Nehemiah when the only decree that counts is that of Cyrus. In Isa. 44:28, the LORD said, "That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid." Martin Anstey, author of "The Romance of Bible Chronology," found an 82-year error in the era of the Persian kings (BC 536 - 82 = 454 BC) (483 - 454 + 1 [no zero year] = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion).

> > Gabriel plainly told Daniel that the Messiah would be bring sacrifice and offering to an end in the middle of the 70th week

The Messiah! There is no possible way that the "prince that shall come" could be Christ. The "prince that shall come" will be the Satan-possessed False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18. The people of the "prince that shall come" destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. That was Rome, in 70 AD.

> > Will the return of Jesus be a secret? Will anyone notice?

Many will see the Rapture, fear and accept Christ. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. HE BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up out of the pit in the Earth), out of the miry clay (i.e., out of our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (the heavenly planet), and established my goings (at the Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), AND FEAR, AND SHALL TRUST IN THE LORD."

The saints out of all nations sing the NEW SONG in Heaven in Rev. 5:9.

> > Note the following verses: God's elect shall be gathered after the tribulations.

> > Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is the time of the 2nd Rapture, but what is in view here is the gathering of the saints that were caught up to Heaven in the 1st Rapture. They are gathered from one end of HEAVEN to the other. They are gathered to "the general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23) on Christ's Coronation Day. It is also the day of the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ.

> > Another point of interest is nowhere in Scripture does it ever say that the living will rise first and then the dead. The Bible always refers to the dead rising first. Therefore, how does the rapture theory explain living saints being caught up before Christ's coming at which time the righteous living rise after the dead.

You are confusing Christ's coming in the air at the Rapture with his Second Advent, when his feet touch down on the Mt. of Olives (Zech. 14:5). The Pre-Trib Rapture is when Christ comes in the air. He brings with him from Heaven the dead in Christ. They get their resurrection bodies first, then we will rise up with them to meet Christ in the air.

> > Will those "left behind" that have a second chance at salvation?

The way of salvation will still be open, unless that person dies without accepting Christ. Heb. 9:27 says, "as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment."

> > Does the Bible say that the Book of Revelation will be fulfilled far in the future? When will Revelation start to fulfill itself?

The starting point is the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture). The Rapture takes place in Rev. 4:1, then Jesus says, "I will shew thee things which MUST BE HEREAFTER." That means hereafter the Rapture.

> > Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is the Rapture. He will be revealed to us then. All of the book of "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is written as if the Rapture was at hand. It is "at hand" in the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off saying, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture. Rev. 3:11 says, "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." I'm holding fast. Agape

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