Pro and Con 1150

Posted 9-26-04

From Five Doves site

From: Shelly (21 Sep 2004)
Re: "Clay - regarding rapture when saturn is in twins"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2004/shelly921.htm

I just wanted to point out that Saturn will not be in the twins until July 17th,2033. Between now and then the closest it comes to the twins is March 19 2005 but is just outside of the twins not in between them. So do you think the Rapture should take place in 2033? Here's praying its not so. :)

My reply

Saturn is within the borders of Gemini now. It doesn't have to be between the twins.

See: http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Yoursky

Here is the interesting sky chart for Jerusalem Saturday, Sept. 18, 2004 (Tishri 3, 5765), when the Sun was clothing Virgo and the Moon was under her feet (Rev. 12:1). The Sun, Mars and Jupiter were in conjuction in Virgo. Mercury was in Leo. Venus was in Cancer (symbol the holding place, heaven). Saturn was in Gemini.

Below is the sky on Dec. 17, 2004. Saturn (center of the symbol) will still be in Gemini. I hope that is the day of the Rapture. Agape

Re: two amazing gigantic geodes men can crawl inside

"Largest Crystals Found in Mexico"
http://www.thecrystalportal.com/crystal_news

February 8, 2001 - Discovery News

The largest natural crystals on Earth have been discovered in two caves within a silver and zinc mine near Naica, in Chihuahua, Mexico, according to mine officials. Reaching lengths of over 20 feet, the clear, faceted crystals are composed of selenite, a crystalline form of the mineral gypsum.

"Walking into either of these caves is like stepping into a gigantic geode," said Richard D. Fisher, an American consultant with the mining company to develop the discoveries as tourist attractions....
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"Giant crystal cave discovered"

So clear, you can read text through the crystals
June 12, 2000 - BBC

A gigantic cave of crystals has been discovered in an old silver mine in Spain.

The geode, which is eight metres (26ft) long and crammed full of gypsum prisms, has been put under police guard to prevent souvenir hunters from raiding the extraordinary natural phenomenon.

The geologist who announced the find, Javier Garcia-Guinea, wants to turn the site into a tourist attraction....

Incoming email, Re: Isaac's wife

From: ADBUSSELL@aol.com

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Do any of you know or have you seen a timeline that pinpoints the date that Abraham sent his servant to take a wife for his son Isaac?
Thank you and many blessings, Luke 21:36. dan

My reply

Isaac was born in BC 1935 (2108 AH). He was married when he was 40 years old (Gen. 25:20), in BC 1975 (2148 AH).

I now think the Marriage of the Lamb will be on Jesus' birthday, Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010). Isaac was a type of Christ, so the chances are good that his birthday and marriage were also on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the Hebrew Civil Year.

I have read that the wise men probably traveled about 4 months to see the Christ child. That would have been at least an 8-month round trip. If the servant's trip took about 9 months, he could have started out on Teveth 5. I'm hoping for the Rapture on Friday, Teveth 5, 5765 (Dec. 17, 2004).

Was that what you had in mind? Teveth 5, 5765 is 2300 days before Nisan 1, 5771 (April 5, 2011), when I think the Second Advent will take place on the first day of the Hebrew Regnal and Sacred Year. Agape

His reply

Thank you Marilyn, that is what I was looking for. <>< dan

Incoming email, Re: comments about virgin parable

I believe the person who wrote, “The Ten Virgins Who Are They?”, is correct.

John 1
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The ten virgin parable works well when the foolish virgins are Jews who do not accept Christ as their savior. They believe in God, still go by the law of Moses, so have some oil in their lamps. However, they have not added the oil of grace from Christ, so their oil is insufficient when Christ comes. They are found lacking in that they did not take that final step into grace.

The lamps of the five foolish virgins DID go out (just as the lamps of the Jews will extinguish once the fullness of time comes for them:

Matthew 25:8: “And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.”

I could never quite believe a person saved by grace had a condition put on him/her that was hidden in a verse of scripture. I don’t believe God hides the important stuff.

Scripture would have to read something like this if there was another condition in order to avoid the tribulation period:

Mark 16:16
”He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (well, I said saved, but not “totally” saved, you have to search for one more verse if you want to avoid the tribulation.)

Luke 9:56
”For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them” (but that doesn’t count for the tribulation period).

John 3:17
”For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (not exactly; there is that tribulation thing).

John 5:34
”But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved” (ahh, watch out for the tribulation, ‘nother set of rules for that).

John 10:9
”I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture” (p.s. no pasture for you during the tribulation period unless you find the treasure hunt verse.)

Acts 2:21
”And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (little typo here, not saved, but “mostly” saved).

Acts 4:12
”Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (check out the parable beginning with Matt. 25:1. Figure out that riddle and it’ll be better for yah, miss the tribulation).

Acts 15:11
”But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they” (I keep missing that tribulation “catch” thingy).

Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house” (you and your house (that means you dog, too) except for the tribulation if you are short on oil).

I believe this parable IS about Jews who do not accept Christ; they have no "grace" oil, and it is not about saved by grace believers (grace wouldn't mean grace if there was a condition) who have to "shape up" somehow before the rapture. If one has to be "really good" before the rapture in order to make the cut-off, who decides how much "good" is enough? Say a prayer for forgiveness just before the bell when no one knows when the bell is going to ring? Forget to pray one day and end up in the tribulation? I don't believe it. Saved means saved; Jesus said the believer was saved and He added no conditions. All the above verses are complete and mean what they say. If there was a condition to be saved from the tribulation, it wouldn’t be hidden in one single parable in the Bible; it would be plain as the plan of salvation is plain.

KJMatt.25
“1”: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
”2”: And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
”3”: They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
”4”: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
”5”: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
”6”: And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
”7”: Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
”8”: And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
”9”: But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
”10”: And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
”11”: Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
”12”: But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
”13”: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Time is running out for Jews, God's chosen people. Love

My reply

> > The ten virgin parable works well when the foolish virgins are Jews who do not accept Christ as their savior. They believe in God, still go by the law of Moses, so have some oil in their lamps. However, they have not added the oil of grace from Christ, so their oil is insufficient when Christ comes. They are found lacking in that they did not take that final step into grace. The "kingdom of heaven" was likened unto ten virgins" in Mt. 24:1. The "kingdom of heaven" was not mentioned in the Old Testament. The Jews were promised the Earth.

The "kingdom of heaven" began to be taught in Mt. 3:1-3, which says,"In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

The parable of the ten virgins follows Mt. 24:48-51, which takes place at the Pre-Trib Rapture. There were no chapter divisions in the originals. Of the foolish servant, it says, "if that evil servant shall say in his heart, MY LORD (i.e., he's a believer) delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture) in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation up to the time of God's Wrath) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Verse 1 of chapter 25 continues, "Then (tote, at the same time) shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom."

This all takes place in our days, not in the first century. All 10 virgins believe in the Bridegroom, Christ. Some, like the Philadelphians, will be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 3:10). Others, like the Laodiceans, will be spued (emesai, vomited) out of Christ's mouth at the time of the first Rapture (Rev. 3:16).

> > The lamps of the five foolish virgins DID go out (just as the lamps of the Jews will extinguish once the fullness of time comes for them:

The word "sbennumi," translated "gone out" in the KJV means to be suppressed. Green's Interlinear says, "Share your oil with us, for our lamps are GOING OUT." The light of the lamps is being suppressed, not yet extinguished.

> > ”10”: And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. ”11”: Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. ”12”: But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. ”13”: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

The Son of man is Jesus, and I Cor. 12:3 says, "no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." The foolish Laodicean virgins are believers. They just need "white raiment" (Rev. 3:18).

John 13:6-10 says, "Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit."

How do we let Jesus wash our feet? Use I John 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." That brings all our sins since we first accepted Christ under his blood. Notice that after the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Tribulation saints "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God" (Rev. 7:9,10).

"Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36).

The foolish servant will be cut off at the time of the Rapture. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (i.e., a believer) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS." Agape

Her reply

You wrote,
"The "kingdom of heaven" was likened unto ten virgins" in Mt. 24:1. The "kingdom of heaven" was not mentioned in the Old Testament. The Jews were promised the Earth."

Jews were the first believers in Jesus Christ; the apostles were Jews, saved by grace. Are they to be stuck on earth, not eligible to be in heaven? That would be racial profiling and discriminating against Jews just because they are Jews. They were and are God's chosen people. I could believe they might be given a choice where they want to live, but I do not think they are going to be shut out of heaven. What about Jews today who accept Christ? Are you saying they will not be raptured in the first rapture because they are Jews? I surely don't believe that and don't believe the Bible says that. God did promise them the land but not at the expense of denying heaven to them.

You wrote,
"The parable of the ten virgins follows Mt. 24:48-51, which takes place at the Pre-Trib Rapture. There were no chapter divisions in the originals. Of the foolish servant, it says, "if that evil servant shall say in his heart, MY LORD (i.e., he's a believer) delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture) in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation up to the time of God's Wrath) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Verse 1 of chapter 25 continues, "Then (tote, at the same time) shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom."

Your interpretation is "evil servant" is a believer because he says, "MY LORD". Rather, I think he is an unbeliever who pretends to be a believer when the LORD is around, but who beats the other servants and eats and drinks with drunks when no one is watching because that is he is truly is; not a believer. He used up all the time he had to repent and be saved by grace, the LORD returned, and he is cut asunder along with the rest of the hypocrites who were never saved.

You wrote,
"This all takes place in our days, not in the first century. All 10 virgins believe in the Bridegroom, Christ. Some, like the Philadelphians, will be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 3:10). Others, like the Laodiceans, will be spued (emesai, vomited) out of Christ's mouth at the time of the first Rapture (Rev. 3:16)."

Nope, don't believe the five virgins believed in the Bridegroom, think they were along for the ride as was the evil servant; if they had truly believed, they would have had plenty of grace oil, once saved, always saved. You see, I think you make it too hard for a Christian to figure out and I don't think God did that. Most believing Christians wouldn't know, and don't know, who the Philadelphians or Laodiceans were, or are. If that was critical for them to know in order to go in the first rapture, it would have been plainly stated along with the simple message of "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." That is drilled home in many scriptures. There would have been a caveat right there with that simple message - "Verily I say unto thee, you are saved but there are different rules if you want to go in the first rapture; you have to do something else besides be saved." He would not have cloaked this most serious message in a few verses of scripture in the last book of the Bible that required a serious Bible scholar to figure out.

King James Version: "8”: And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out."

You wrote,
"The word "sbennumi," translated "gone out" in the KJV means to be suppressed. Green's Interlinear says, "Share your oil with us, for our lamps are GOING OUT." The light of the lamps is being suppressed, not yet extinguished."

You and I believe the Bible was, and is, divinely inspired. I don't think God allowed "sbennumi" to be translated as "gone out" knowing believers would be mislead and somehow they would know to buy Green's Interlinear, and Strong's, that huge book, to find out "gone out" didn't mean "gone out." I mention Strong's along with Green's Interlinear because I have Strong's and it is huge. With those two books, the entire Bible could be re-written by today's humans and be totally different. "Gone out" is going to remain "gone out". If I can't rely on "gone out", then I can't rely on any word in the Bible being correct. If I believe "gone out" is wrong, then I have to question every word in the Bible. It can't be both ways - the words are either right or they are wrong. Which way is it? And who do I ask which words are right and which are wrong? Maybe, these verses are incorrect:

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Is Green's or Strong's going to change those verses and jerk our salvation out of our souls? Those verses do not mention oil or no oil, gone out, Philadelphians or Laodiceans. They present the simple message that is the crux of the Bible, the only true reason for the Bible existing. The rest of the Bible surrounds those three verses and explains how they came into existence. We are graced by Revelation to guide us through the happenings of the end time, but our souls rest on John 3:16,17,18.

"John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned:..." We are not condemned; that is translated by me to mean "not condemned", unless Green's or Strong's, or someone else, decides "not condemned" means something other than "not condemned", like, "not condemned except for the tribulation which you have to go through because this verse doesn't really mean what it says."

You wrote,
"Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36)."
The Bible is written to all, non-believers and believers. Millions are saved by reading the Bible and this admonition is a plea for all to be saved and therefore counted worthy. Humans sin, that is the nature of humans, but the blood of Jesus made us worthy, not of ourselves, lest any man should boast; but of the blood of Jesus. There is none of us more worthy than the other; we are all the same under the blood.

You wrote,
The foolish servant will be cut off at the time of the Rapture. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (i.e., a believer) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

"The lord of that servant (i.e., a PRETENDER, ACTUALLY A NON-BELIEVER) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. Pretenders have a finite amount of time to believe; if they do not, they will be with the unbelievers (those who have never pretended to believe.)

THE WEATHER: I have an awareness of the signs we may be seeing due to the extremes of the weather. I live in southeast Texas where we are conscious of hurricanes, tropical storms, etc. This year has been like none in my life time, and I am 71. Hurricanes have made movements they have never made before. Frances devastated Florida and up the east coast with terrible floods, Ivan devastated Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and up the east coast with terrible floods, now it has traveled all the way south again, crossed Florida, and sitting just south of me about to dump flood waters in my area. Jeanne was out in the Atlantic, made a circle, and is headed toward Florida and the east coast. There is another one coming off Africa enough south to come into the gulf and threaten the coasts of Texas or Louisiana. I have never, ever, witnessed such strange tropical storms, changing directions in strange ways. The weather channel announcers also realize the strangeness of these storms. If Ivan causes huge destruction in Texas (it has strangely arrived just as the spring equinox arrived, causing tides to be much higher than they would be if the spring equinox was not here. Flooding is already occurring from these exceptionally high tides and Ivan hasn't gotten here yet.), that fairly well makes all the southern states disaster states as well as the states up the eastern coast. Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, etc., all in trouble.

I have a fear of something happening on the west coast. We also know terrorists want a disaster in October before the election. I don't know if your December 17, date is correct or close, but I know something is not right and I have never felt that way. I feel a crescendo coming. I also believe all believers will leave this earth together, including believing Jews - also my dog. Love

My reply

> > the apostles were Jews, saved by grace. Are they to be stuck on earth, not eligible to be in heaven?

No. Heb. 11:1-16 tells us that even certain Old Testament saints, Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sara, etc. now "desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." Verse 15 shows that they are given a choice. It says, "And truly, if they had been mindful of that country (Earth) from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned."

The names of the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles are on the heavenly city, New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:12-14). The Old Testament saints were saved by believing that the Messiah would come. The New Testament saints are saved by believing that the Messiah, Jesus Christ, came.

In the Body of Christ, there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. All are one body. I Cor. 10:17 says, "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." I Cor. 12:13 says, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." Eph. 2:16 says, "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby". Eph. 4:4 says, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling." Col. 3:15 says, "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful."

> > Your interpretation is "evil servant" is a believer because he says, "MY LORD". Rather, I think he is an unbeliever who pretends to be a believer when the LORD is around, but who beats the other servants and eats and drinks with drunks when no one is watching because that is he is truly is; not a believer.

I Cor. 12:3 says, "NO MAN CAN SAY THAT JESUS IS THE LORD, BUT BY THE HOLY GHOST."

If a man says that Jesus is the Lord, he believes in Jesus. He is a servant. He can be spiritual or carnal, but he is a believer. In I Cor. 3:1, Paul said, "And I, brethren (believers), could not speak unto you as unto SPIRITUAL, but as unto CARNAL, even as unto BABES IN CHRIST." The carnal Christian is still "in Christ." He is just an unwise servant.

The parallel passage in Luke 12:40-46 says, "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? And the Lord said, Who then is THAT FAITHFUL AND WISE STEWARD, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if THAT SERVANT (the once wise that became foolish) say in his heart, MY LORD delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and WILL APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

This believer is appointed his portion with the unbelievers, because being a "faithful and wise servant", he became a foolish servant. Only a believer says, "MY LORD delayeth his coming".

> > Nope, don't believe the five virgins believed in the Bridegroom, think they were along for the ride as was the evil servant; if they had truly believed, they would have had plenty of grace oil, once saved, always saved.

I believe that once saved, always saved is true. At the first Rapture, those "accounted worthy" (Luke 21:36) will be caught up to meet Christ in the air and be taken to Heaven. Think of Daniel being saved out of the lion's den.

At the second Rapture, I think everyone that calls on the name of the Lord will be saved from the fiery destruction that will hit Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5). Think of Daniel's friends that were saved out of the fiery furnace. Joel 2:32 says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said".

> > "Gone out" is going to remain "gone out". If I can't rely on "gone out", then I can't rely on any word in the Bible being correct. If I believe "gone out" is wrong, then I have to question every word in the Bible. It can't be both ways - the words are either right or they are wrong. Which way is it?

The King James Version says, "are gone out", but the Catholic Confraternity Version has "are going out." Mt. 25:7,8 (Conf.) says, "Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, Give us some of your oil, FOR OUR LAMPS ARE GOING OUT." It seems to me that the Confraternity has been translated better at this point.

The oil of the Holy Spirit can be quenched somewhat, but not put out. I Thess. 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit." The sealing of the Holy Spirit remains.

Every word in the original manuscripts was correct. The words were God-breathed. Those MSS were written in Hebrew, Greek and a bit of Chaldean. If one wanted to read those original editions, they would need to learn those languages. Those words could be relied on 100 %. However, we do not have the originals. We have copies of the originals, and even they are in places like libraries and museums for safe keeping. They are not in the hands of the general public.

Even if I had access to the original scrolls, I do not know enough Hebrew or Greek to read much Scripture written in those languages. I have to rely on translations in English. The translations are very good, but not God-breathed perfect. We can find small differences when we compare different translations.

> > You wrote, "Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36)."
> > The Bible is written to all, non-believers and believers. Millions are saved by reading the Bible and this admonition is a plea for all to be saved and therefore counted worthy.

In Luke 21:7f, Jesus was talking to the disciples. "And they asked him, saying, Master (i.e., they were believers), but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?" In verse 28, Jesus was still addressing the disciples. He said, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH."

Luke 21:34-36 is still spoken to believers. Jesus said, "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye (believers) therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." They stand before Him after the Rapture takes place. Those that "ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS" will escape no later than the beginning of the Tribulation.

> > I have never, ever, witnessed such strange tropical storms, changing directions in strange ways. The weather channel announcers also realize the strangeness of these storms. If Ivan causes huge destruction in Texas (it has strangely arrived just as the spring equinox arrived, causing tides to be much higher than they would be if the spring equinox was not here.

I know you mean the fall equinox, when the nights and days are of the same length, as they are at the spring equinox. I will be 76 in December, and I can't remember such strange storm behaviour either. Ivan circling and returning is terrible news.

> > I feel a crescendo coming.

Yes, many things are getting out of hand. Heavenly Father, Thy will be done, but I would appreciate it if you would keep my friend safe in the storms, and I pray that you will count both of us and our families worthy to escape the Tribulation. In Jesus' name, Amen. Love, Marilyn

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