Pro and Con 1151

Posted 10-2-04

My 15-year-old grand daughter, Brandi Agee, needs our prayers. She was hit by a car and has a broken ankle on one foot, three broken bones in the other foot, plus a bruised hip and sore knee. Thank you Lord that Brandi's pelvis is not broken and her head is ok. Please help her heal correctly. In Jesus' name, Amen.

Re: Sirius as the star seen by the Magi

“Unexpected Visitors”
Matthew 2:1-12
by Rev. Bruce Goettsche

William Barclay wrote,
In the years 5 to 2 B.C. there was an unusual astronomical phenomenon. In those years, on the first day of the Egyptian month, Mesori, Sirius, the dog star, rose at sunrise, and shone with extraordinary brilliance. Now the name MESORI MEANS THE BIRTH OF A PRINCE, and to those ancient astrologers such a star would undoubtedly mean the birth of some great king. We cannot tell what star the Magi saw; but it was their profession to watch the heavens, and some heavenly brilliance spoke to them of the entry of a king into the world.[1]

[1] The Gospel of Matthew : Volume. 2, c1975 The Daily study Bible series, Rev. ed. Philadelphia: The Westminster Press. (emphasis mine)

My comments

That's interesting! Sirius (meaning the prince) is the brightest star in the sky. It is in Canis Major (the greater dog). The Egyptians called this constellation Seir, the prince.

In Mt. 2:2, the wise men said, "Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have seen HIS STAR IN THE EAST, and are come to worship him."

Seeing Sirius, still the brightest star in the heavens today, shining more brightly than usual when it rose in the east could be what the wise men referred to as "HIS STAR IN THE EAST." The timing of the extra-brightness of Sirius during BC 5 to 2 fits. I think that Jesus was born in BC 5, and that the wise men came to see him in BC 3.

The appearance that led the wise men to the house in Bethlehem where Jesus was had to be miraculous. Actual stars don't usually move enough to be noticed in one man's lifetime. Planets move slowly against the stationary backdrop of stars. Planets do seem to stop then move in a retrograde motion when the Earth catches up with their orbit, but even that movement wouldn't show the Magi which house Jesus was in. It was too high up in the sky and moving too slowly. Mt. 2:9 says, "the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was."

Both Canis Major and Canis Minor are Decans of Gemini, where the Bride (the redeemed) and Bridegroom (the Redeemer) are seated together in heavenly places. The Bride holds the lyre, the symbol of the redeemed.

Eph. 2:5,6 says, "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath RAISED US UP TOGETHER [i.e., raptured us], and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus."

The trip of the Magi probably took 4 months. Ezra 7:8,9 says of Ezra, "he came to Jerusalem in the fifth month, which was in the seventh year of the king. For upon the first day of the first month (Nisan 1) began he to go up from Babylon, and on the first day of the fifth month (Av 1) came he to Jerusalem, according to the good hand of his God upon him."

Sept. 4, BC 5, Possible birthday of Jesus

By Marilyn Agee

Aries, the Ram, stands for Jesus, the Lamb of God. On April 17, BC 6, Jupiter rose in the east as a morning star in Aries. This probably was what was pictured in BC 6 on a Roman coin from Antioch. The Ram is looking back at a star.

The lineup of morning stars in the east on April 17, BC 6, was impressive.

First Venus, then Saturn had come up in Pisces. The Dark New Moon, then Jupiter and finally the Sun followed in Aries.

Thanks to Yoursky at, we can read the gospel in the sky over Jerusalem at 5:40 AM on Sept. 4, BC 5, even though the Sun was up. What a story it had to tell. The night of Sept. 4 may have been the night when Jesus was born.

SIRIUS means THE PRINCE. SIRIUS is in the constellation CANIS MAJOR, the top dog, which should be depicted as the top prince on his throne. CANUS MAJOR is below Gemini in this chart. The Hebrews called this constellation SIRIUS, THE PRINCE. Egyptians called it SEIR, THE PRINCE.

THE PRINCE stands for YAHshua/Jesus, "For unto us a child is born (inheriting his human nature from his virgin mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, THE PRINCE (sar) of Peace" (Isa. 9:6).

In the sky chart for Sept. 4, BC 5, the SUN, crescent MOON and MERCURY were in VIRGO. Rev. 12:1,5 says, "there appeared a great wonder IN HEAVEN; a WOMAN (i.e., the virgin of Israel) clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve STARS (representing the 12 patriarchs of Israel; see Isa. 37:9,10 below):...And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up (harpazo, as at the Rapture in I Thess 4:17, and as Philip was caught up in Acts 8:39) unto God, and to his throne" (i.e., to Saturn).

Isa. 37:9,10 says of Joseph, "he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the SUN and the MOON and the eleven STARS made obeisance to me (the 12th star). And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?"

Look where the morning-star planets were located on that night, Sept. 4, BC 5.

Mercury was in VIRGO, which depicts Jesus as the SEED OF THE WOMAN, suggesting his birth.

Saturn was in ARIES, which depicts Jesus as the LAMB OF GOD, suggesting his crucifixion.

Jupiter was in GEMINI, which depicts Jesus as the BRIDEGROOM, thus tied to the Rapture.

Venus was in LEO, which depicts Jesus as the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, suggesting the Second Advent.

Looking at the sky chart again, we can understand more of the message. The woman is VIRGO, the virgin. The SUN at her head is clothing her with sunlight. The new crescent Moon of Tishri 1 is "under her feet" (Rev. 12:1).

MERCURY marks her left hand that holds the ear of wheat, showing that Jesus is "HER SEED." Gen. 3:15 says, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it (Jesus) shall bruise thy (Satan's) head, and thou shalt bruise HIS heel" (i.e., at the Crucifixion).

VENUS is near REGULUS, the king star, in LEO. It shows that Jesus Christ, "the Lion of the tribe of Juda" (Rev. 5:5) is the King.

JUPITER is in GEMINI, where the Bride and Bridegroom (Christ) sit together in heavenly places. Eph. 2:6 says that he "hath raised us up together (i.e., raptured us), and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

SATURN (Heaven) is in ARIES, which depicts Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God. John 1:29,36 says, "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world....And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"

It looks like Monday, Sept. 4, BC 5 may have been Tishri 1, 3756, the day of Jesus' birth.

Jordanians propose fifth minaret for Temple Mount

By Nadav Shragai, 9-22-04

...The proposed minaret, slated for the southeast corner of the mount, is apparently aimed at strengthening the Jordanians' position on the mount vis-a-vis the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli Islamic Movement. Israel has been encouraging the Jordanians in this goal, as it is interested in developing a source of Muslim Arab power on the mount that can serve as a counterweight to the Palestinians....

From incoming email from Jim Bramlett

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Incoming email, Re: The Tribes of Israel

The Tribes of Jacob are?

Aries - Head - Benjamin
Taurus - Neck - Simon
Gemini - Shoulders/arms - Levi
Cancer - Lungs - Asher
Leo - Heart & Back - Judah
Virgo - Stomach - Naphtali
Libra - Hips - Dan
Scorpio - Genitals - Reuben
Sagittarus - Thighs - Issacher
Capriocorn - Knees - Gad
Aquarius - Calfs - Joseph
Pisces - Feet - Zebulon

Both Jesus Christ and Moses were born in the month of Pisces as they were spiritually complete.

Daniel chapter 12 gives us the date for the start of the great tribulation. Starting at 586BC the destruction of the first temple(removal of the daily sacrifice) and adding up the days; 586BC +1290+1335 = 2040AD.

In 2040AD the Great Judgement will begin. Also included at this time is a MAJOR CONJUCTION OF FIVE PLANETS IN LIBRA - 24 SEPT 2040 AD! Libra is represented by the Scales of Justice both above and below.

Many wonderful things are going to happen around this time and prophecies fulfilled. Jesus Christ will not return untill all the prophecies have been fullfilled at the end of the Tribulation.

My reply

Thanks for the information on the tribes of Israel.

> > Both Jesus Christ and Moses were born in the month of Pisces as they were spiritually

I think Jesus was born on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. The reason the inns were full seems to be twofold, the arrival of the fall feast days and paying their taxes. Luke 2:3 says, "all went to be taxed, every one into his own city." Elul 29 would be a reasonable deadline. Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year, started that night at 6 PM. "And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered."

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1 (i.e., date of First Advent). The latter rain starts Nisan 1 (i.e., date of Second Advent).

> > Daniel chapter 12 gives us the date for the start of the great tribulation. Starting at 586BC the destruction of the first temple(removal of the daily sacrifice) and adding up the days; 586BC +1290+1335 = 2040AD. You must be kidding. There are 1260 days ("a time, times, and an half, Dan. 12:7), 1290 and 1335 days all starting at Mid-Trib, when the abomination of desolation is placed at the Temple. Dan. 12:9 shows that these "words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." They didn't start in 586 BC. Verse 11 says, "from the time that the daily sacrifice shall (i.e., in the future) be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up (Mid-Trib, Mt. 24:15), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Agape

Bible texts on silver amulets dated to First Temple period

By Amiram Barkat

U.S. and Israeli researchers claim to have discovered proof that the Five Books of Moses were in existence during the First Temple period.

The findings are based on new laboratory techniques used to date two small silver amulets, inscribed in ancient Hebrew and discovered in a burial cave in Jerusalem in 1979. Published last week in a scientific journal in the United States, the results were reported extensively in The New York Times yesterday.

The amulets contain the text of the Priestly Benediction, which appear in Chapter 6 of Numbers, and are still recited today in synagogue prayer by descendants of the Jewish priestly clan.

The dating of the amulets, which were fully not deciphered until recently, has been the subject of scholarly debate. Tests carried out in NASA laboratories have now allowed the artifacts to be dated to the end of the First Temple period, circa 600 BCE....

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Subject: Why are you posting this stuff?

You call yourself a Christian yet, you'll put a date on when the rapture will happen, Jesus told his diciples that he nor Heavens Angels knew the day or the hour he would return, yet people like you will put out on the net false doctrines.

When the Lord returns, he will return, and you nor I, even the Angels in Heaven have no idea when that will take place.

Saturn is heaven???? Peace be with you.

My reply

> > Why are you posting this stuff?

It's what I think the Lord wants me to do.

> > You call yourself a Christian yet, you'll put a date on when the rapture will happen

I am a Christian, because I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my own personal Saviour. I don't predict anything. I only give my opinion and my reasons for coming to that conclusion. It is up for discussion on the Pro and Cons.

> > Jesus told his diciples that he nor Heavens Angels knew the day or the hour he would return

Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that day and hour KNOWETH no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." The word "knoweth" is present tense. On that day, no mere man knew. Jesus knew, for he was both God and man, but he did not want to reveal it at that time. Jesus didn't say that we wouldn't know until the Rapture took place. If that was so, he would come upon everyone as a thief.

In Jesus' last messages to the church, he said, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt NOT WATCH, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt NOT KNOW what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3:3). He will only come as a thief upon those that do not know, because they did not watch. Watching will produce results.

Turn Rev. 3:3 around. What will we know if we DO WATCH? Wouldn't he NOT come on us as a thief, and wouldn't we KNOW what hour he would come?

> > When the Lord returns, he will return, and you nor I, even the Angels in Heaven have no idea when that will take place.

You may not know, but I'm watching, hoping to know. I Thess. 5:1-6 says, "But of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they (unbelievers) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them (unbelievers), as travail upon a woman with child; and they (unbelievers) shall not escape. But ye, brethren (believers), are NOT in darkness, that that day should overtake you (believers) as a thief. Ye (believers) are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. THEREFORE let us not sleep, as do others; but LET US WATCH and be sober."

Jesus told us over and over to watch. It is important. Mt. 24:42 says, "WATCH therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

Saturn is heaven????

I am convinced that it is. In Rev. 4:3, "there was a rainbow round about the THRONE." That sounds to me like the rings around Saturn.

Eze. 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the THRONE was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (the equator, as in some translations) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, AND IT HAD BRIGHTNESS ROUND ABOUT (i.e., the ring system around Saturn). As the appearance of the bow (RAINBOW) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the BRIGHTNESS ROUND ABOUT. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Both the rainbow and Saturn's rings are formed of ice crystals upon which the Sun shines to bring out the colors.

Let's look at this again, "the likeness (symbolic language) of a THRONE (Jesus Christ's), as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone." Sapphire means "dear to the planet Saturn," from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). I think this SAPPHIRE symbol shows us that Christ's heavenly throne is located on Saturn. In the first verse, Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." Therefore, the man on the throne is God and man, the LORD Jesus Christ. The brightness round about is the ring system. Heaven has a halo. That's fitting. "This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Heaven, the LORD's throne, is in this solar system and visible as a naked-eye object. Psa. 89:36,37 says, "His seed (David's, which is Jesus) shall endure for ever, and HIS THRONE AS THE SUN before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON, and AS A FAITHFUL WITNESS (and therefore visible) IN HEAVEN."

In Psa. 78:69, we find that the Lord "built HIS SANCTUARY (the Tabernacle) like HIGH PALACES (planets), LIKE THE EARTH" (a planet orbiting the Sun). The Tabernacle was like three cubes side by side. I think the Holy of Holies represented Saturn, and the Holy Place represented Jupiter and Mars. The altar outside represented Earth, but the Tabernacle itself was like "high palaces."

When Moses saw God on Mt. Sinai (which represented Heaven), "there was under his feet as it were (symbolic language) a paved work of A SAPPHIRE STONE (i.e., Saturn), and as (symbolic language) it were the BODY OF HEAVEN (the heavenly body) in his clearness (tohar, glory)" (Ex. 24:10).

Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch (Jesus): For as for THE STONE WHICH I HAVE SET BEFORE THE FACE OF JESUS, on the one stone (i.e., Saturn) are seven eyes" (orbs, i.e., rings). Saturn has SEVEN RINGS. It is marked for us.

In John 14:1-4, Jesus said, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And WHITHER I GO YE KNOW (they knew of Saturn, and we do too), AND THE WAY YE KNOW." We do know the way. Our Cassini spacecraft is now in orbit around Saturn. When did it arrive? in 2004. It pays to watch.

"...the big arrival date is July 1, 2004 (June 30, 2004 in U.S. time zones), when it will enter into orbit around Saturn."

Now that we really know the way, is it a sign that He will come again, and receive us unto himself? Was this one of the things we were watching for?

Luke 21:25 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; THE SEA AND THE WAVES ROARING." You can see a sign in the Sun on my Home Page, and just think of the unusual waves that have battered Florida lately. Four hurricanes have hit it, one after the other, Charlie, Frances, Ivan and now Jeanne.

"No other state has been hit by four hurricanes in the same season since Texas more than a century ago."

Guess what will be very near the meridian at midnight on Dec. 16/17, 2004--Saturn. It's in Gemini where the Bride and Bridegroom sit together in heavenly places. Eph. 2:6 says that he "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Saturn is also at the border of Cancer, which stands for the holding place, Heaven. The story the sky tells us that night is perfect. Jupiter is in Virgo, the virgin, mother of the seed of the woman. Gen. 3:15 says, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED (Jesus); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." No one should miss picking out Saturn that night. The stars Castor and Pollux will be nearby in Gemini. Below it is Sirius, the brightest star in the sky. Orion is easy to pick out. Rising in VIRGO will be Jupiter, which is brighter than Saturn (Heb., Shabbatai). Christ is Lord of the Sabbath (Shabbat). He is Lord of the Shabbatai too.

This chart, as seen from Jerusalem, is from YourSky:

Incoming email from: Dan Matson, Re: Signs of the End

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My reply

You said, "Learn about the timing of the Rapture of the Church (2006), the Russian (Gog and Magog) led invasion into Israel (2006/2007), the rise of the New World Empire, the Seven-year Tribulation (2010-2017), the destruction of the third Temple in Jerusalem (2014), the War against the Jews, and the final battle of Armageddon (2017)."

To me, those dates don't match up with Scripture. For instance. the Gog and Magog war takes place on the Day of God's Wrath when the Great Tribulation is shortened between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals, not before the Tribulation begins. As a result of this attack on Israel, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth, the mountain-sized one hitting the Mediterranean Sea at noon on the Feast of Trumpets, the "star" destroying Babylon in Iraq.

Let's look at some scriptures. Eze. 38:18-23 describes what happens when the asteroids strike Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking (the worldwide earthquake, Rev. 16:18) in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paniym, FACE, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man seen in the sky, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground (the cities of the nations, including Babylon, shall fall, Rev. 16:18,19). And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (shower, i.e., a tsunami overflowing the land), and great hailstones ('stars,' i.e., meteorites, Rev. 6:13), fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man) of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Rev. 6:14-17 says, "the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains (asteroids) and ROCKS (meteorites), Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30) of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB (Christ): For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

The Second Advent will follow the Day of God's Wrath in 7 months. It will be a Jewish Leap Year (I think in 5771, our 2010/2011). Eze. 39:12,13 says, "seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., the Second Coming), saith the Lord GOD."

The Day of God's Wrath will be on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3) (probably Sept. 9, 2010). The Second Coming will be on the following Nisan 1 (probably April 5, 2011, Hos. 6:3). For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, it has to be a Jewish Leap Year.

Hos. 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." Jesus came at the First Advent as the former rain (starts Tishri 1, first day of the Jewish Civil Year). He will come at the Second Advent as the latter rain. It starts Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

I'm hoping for the Rapture Teveth 5, 5764 (Dec. 17, 2004), because that is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before I expect the Second Coming on Nisan 1, 5771 (April 5, 2011).

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., 1st half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED."

The sanctuary will be cleansed on Nisan 1. Eze. 45:18,21 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month (Nisan), in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover".Agape

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