I think so, but let's look at some verses that could apply to this and see what we can glean from them.
Rev. 11:1,2 says, "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise and measure the TEMPLE of God, and the ALTAR, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (the first half of the Tribulation).
This diagram is of the Tabernacle, but the temple was patterned after the Tabernacle. I think it is a pattern of spheres orbiting in space. Heb. 9:23 says, "It was therefore necessary that THE PATTERN OF THINGS IN THE HEAVENS should be purified with these; but the HEAVENLY THINGS THEMSELVES with better sacrifices than these."
The Tabernacle was made up of three cubes, their length, breadth and height were equal. Each cube represented a sphere, whose length, breadth and height are equal. Outside is the Brazen Altar. Its length and width were equal. We know that the Holy of Holies represented Heaven. Hinting that an altar could represent Earth, Ex. 20:24 says, "An ALTAR OF EARTH thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee."
I think the square Altar represents Earth, the double-cubed Holy Place represents Mars and Jupiter, and the single-cubed Holy of Holies represents Heaven, the planet with a halo, Saturn. In II Cor. 12:1-4, Paul was caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN." That fits--Mars (first), Jupiter (second), and Saturn ('the THIRD HEAVEN')..
The command "Rise (egeiro, lift up, awake from sleep)" in Rev. 11:1 could represent the Pre-Trib Rapture, when the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit is caught up to Heaven. I Peter 2:5 says, "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up A SPIRITUAL HOUSE". When John was to "measure the temple of God," in Rev. 11:1, it may mean to number those in Heaven. Therefore, there may not be a physical temple in Jerusalem at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. However, it seems that there will be an altar during the first half of the Tribulation.
Then they could sacrifice as in Ezra's day. Dan. 8:13,14 says, "another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the DAILY SACRIFICE (maybe just using an altar while the temple is being built during the 1st half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (the False Prophet sitting in the temple and placing an idol there, Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (1260 + 1040 = 2300).
Dan. 9:27 says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall confirm (strengthen) the covenant (the peace treaty) with many for one week (7 years, the Tribulation): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Trib) he (the False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he (the False Prophet) shall make it (i.e., the temple) desolate, even until the consummation (i.e., the Day of the Lord), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (desolator, i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet).
Dan. 11:31 says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and THEY SHALL POLLUTE THE SANCTUARY of strength, and shall TAKE AWAY THE DAILY SACRIFICE, and they shall place the abomination (idol) that maketh desolate." This idol is "the abomination of desolation".
Mt. 24:15 says of the middle of the Tribulation, "when ye shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not [i.e., in the temple], (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains".
Mark 13:14 says, "when ye shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not [i.e., in the Temple], (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains." This is Mid-Trib, when Jewish believers will "fly into the wilderness, unto her place (Petra, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (3.5 years), from the face of the serpent" (Satan) (Rev. 12:14).
II Thess. 2:1-4 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (the major MSS have "day of the Lord") is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, DEPARTING, i.e., the Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed, the son of perdition (like Judas Iscariot, the other son of perdition that Satan entered into); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he (the False Prophet) as God SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE of God, shewing himself that he is God."
Therefore, the temple must be there Mid-Trib. The False Prophet may go to the temple to attend its dedication ceremony.
I have read that since the stones are already cut, and other things already prepared, the temple could be built in 3 months.
Below is something I found on the Internet. I have never heard of "spiritual space" before. I thought spirits could operate just fine in our space, but the part about the Ark is interesting. It can represent a chariot. I Chron. 28:18 mentions, "gold for the pattern of THE CHARIOT OF THE CHERUBIMS, that spread out their wings, and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD." The cherubims represent planets. I Sam. 4:4 says, "So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts (YAHshua, Isa. 44:6), which DWELLETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS." The LORD spoke from between the cherubim. Literally, I think the Lord dwells on Saturn, between Jupiter and Uranus.
THE PATTERN OF THINGS "ABOVE"...
THE MYSTERY OF THE "ARK OF THE COVENANT"
Midrash Rabbah Exodus 50:4 - Why was the ark-cover called kapporeth?- Because it made atonement (me-kapper) for Israel.
There is an interesting concept in Judaism that the ark weighed nothing. (It is said that it actually "carried" its bearers along.) Figuring the dimensions and construction materials of the ark, and its contents, the weight of it would have been far too much for the four carriers to bear -- in fact it would have snapped the poles or broken off the golden rings they passed through!
It is also said that the ark took up no space. The reference below shows that when they placed the ark in the sanctuary and measured from the sides of the ark to each wall, the sum of those measurements equalled the distance measured directly from one wall to the other!
Megilah 10b - R. Levi further said: We have a tradition from our ancestors that the ark took up no room. It has been taught to the same effect: ‘The ark which Moses made had round it an [empty] space of ten cubits on every side’. Now it is written, And in front of the Sanctuary was twenty cubits in length [and twenty cubits in breadth], and it is also written, And the wing of the one cherub was ten cubits and the wing of the other cherub was ten cubits. Where then was the ark itself? We must therefore conclude that it stood by a miracle [without occupying any room].
All of this would indicate that although it was originally built by human hands, and it could be seen and touched, the ark was truly "not part of our world," it resided in "spiritual space."
SPIRITUAL TIME, SPACE, MASS, LIGHT AND ENERGY
"...spiritual space, the dimension(s) beyond our physical one, including aspects of those set on earth for us (i.e., the Tabernacle/Temple, a place where God could "reside" among us on this sinful earth.) Spiritual space is necessary for God's spiritual light to be transmitted, just as physical space is needed for physical light."
Just to clarify, I did not say Fourmilab's star charts were wrong; but, rather their calendar conversion dates for the Jewish/Hebrew dates did not agree with the interpretation of Tishri 1, which I think you now agree with me. I will say that their star charts are extremely limited in what detailed analysis you can do with them as their is no way to get more than a limited amount of detailed information and one cannot easily work with them as you can with a more powerful planetarium software package.
I will note also another pattern in Killians work about the importance of the Aug. 11, 1999 solar eclipse and especially the 9/11-12/1999 Rev 12 type
alignment added another parallel to both 9/11-12/3BC and 9/11/2001.
I would say, surely not just a coincidence, GOD is trying to get our attention focused on this calendar date and HE has done a good job as we (the world) can't get it out of our mind these days.
It may get another repeat performance on 9/29/2011 when the Rev. 12 scene repeats again with the Sun and Mercury conjunct (upper body Virgo), Venus/Saturn conjunct (mid Virgo) and the Moon under her feet. Jupiter will be in Aries and Mars in Cancer. By my reckoning, this could be "the day of the Lord" towards the end of the 7 yr. tribulation and the final battle around Yom Kippur on 10/8-9-10/2011 (Jewish 1/10-11/5772).
To qualify, it would have to be a fast day, not the New Year of Trees. In Ant. XVII. VI. 4, Josephus said, "Now it happened, that during the time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there was another person made high priest for a single day, THAT VERY DAY WHICH THE JEWS OBSERVE AS A FAST. The occasion was this:--This Matthias the high priest, on the night before that day when the FAST was to be celebrated (was disqualified)...Herod deprived this Matthais of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition, with his companions, alive. And THAT VERY NIGHT THERE WAS AN ECLIPSE OF THE MOON."
> > Just to clarify, I did not say Fourmilab's star charts were wrong; but, rather their calendar conversion dates for the Jewish/Hebrew dates did not agree with the interpretation of Tishri 1, which I think you now agree with me.
I agree. I haven't found any that go by the Crescent Moon in BC years. All seem to go by the Astronomer's New Moon, which is the Solar/Lunar conjunction, the Dark Moon. However, it is a good starting point. The Crescent Moon will soon follow. A program like Yoursky can help us to shift to the Crescent Moon under Virgo's feet for the beginning of Tishri. I can remember books I found in BIOLA's Seminary Collection that listed the astronomical chart and added 2 days for the phase. That's about as close as one could get for a general rule.
The modern Hebrew Calendar is calculated mathematically, plus some man-made postponements are thrown in. Therefore, it can miss the actual day of Tishri 1 too. My inclination is to go by "the moon under her feet" for the true Tishri 1.
> > It may get another repeat performance on 9/29/2011 when the Rev. 12 scene repeats again with the Sun and Mercury conjunct (upper body Virgo), Venus/Saturn conjunct (mid Virgo) and the Moon under her feet. Jupiter will be in Aries and Mars in Cancer. By my reckoning, this could be "the day of the Lord" towards the end of the 7 yr. tribulation and the final battle around Yom Kippur on 10/8-9-10/2011 (Jewish 1/10-11 5772).
If the Day of the Lord is Tishri 1, 5771, the Second Advent would be 7 months later (Eze. 39:12,13), on Nisan 1, 5771 (April 5, 2011, on today's Hebrew calendar). That would be when Jesus would come as the latter rain to Israel (Hosea 6:3). To me, 5772 won't fit, because it isn't a leap year. There are only 6 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 if it isn't a leap year. The next leap year would be 5774 (2013/2014). Agape
The Rev 12 scene does not fit 9 Sep 2010 at all. It works better on 9/11-12/2010 if one uses a broader interpretation of "clothed in the Sun" to mean the light of the Sun shining up from the western horizon at sunset and illuminating Virgo. It does fit the 29 Sep 2011 astronomy quite well with mid Virgo along the meridian line and Crux directly beneath at the horizon at noon and the Sun mid-bodied in Virgo with the Moon at the feet similar to 9/11-12/3BC, Mercury near the Sun, Venus/Saturn mid bodied. On Sep 29, 2011, all of this is taking place in Virgo (Israel) as Armagedon rages. Coma is also on the meridian line near the zenith. Mars (war) is in Cancer and Jupiter is in Aries. In the month or so to follow, we also have three planetary/ star conjunctions of importance occurring simultaneously, Mars/Regulus, Saturn/Spica, and Venus/Mercury/Antares when the Sun reaches mid-Libra about 11/7-14/2011. Jupiter/Moon join on the Nov. 9th in Aries.
I think Hydra (also sweeping one-third of the sky) comes back into play during the end time tribulation replacing Draco ( who has been thrown down to Earth with his angels) as Hydra is the one under the feet of Leo (the Lion of the tribe of Judah) and being eaten by the crow (Corvus) and consummed by the cup of wrath (Crater)....
In the picture of what the constellations stand for, there are several things that stand for Satan, Scorpio, Cetus, Satan's head held up by the victor Perseus, the roaring lion's head held up by the victor Orion, the serpents held up by the victor Hercules, Serpens, Draco and Hydra. The only one that is very close to Virgo is Hydra. It is also known in mythology as having many heads. It is under Virgo, as if to catch her child. To me, it tells the story better than Draco, which is overhead near the Pole Star, Polaris.
> > The Rev 12 scene does not fit 9 Sep 2010 at all. It works better on 9/11-12/2010
> > It does fit the 29 Sep 2011 astronomy quite well
However, the year 5772 is not a Leap Year. There could not be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, just 6. See Eze. 39:12,13.
> > Coma is also on the meridian line near the zenith.
Coma is interesting. It shows that the child was to grow up on Earth. To symbolize this, the footstool has a human foot on one leg. Heaven is God's throne. Earth is his FOOTstool....Agape
I often wondered how the Wise Men knew it was "His Star"
The angels told the Wise Men that 'you shall find Him wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger', soo He was still a baby.
Our wonderful Lord has His good way of doing things. In these days we are to look for signs and wonders of his appearing. Yes..I think we are close. How exciting!!!!
> > I often wondered how the Wise Men knew it was "His Star"
I wonder too. If it was something natural, the only thing I can think of is that a super nova was a real attention getter. It would have been new and brighter than any other star in the sky. They can be very spectacular.
However, Nu. 24:17 says, "there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel." A literal star cannot come out of Jacob, but the Shechinah Glory could come out of Jesus, both the Son of God and a descendant of Jacob/Israel. Since the star appeared again and led the wise men to one house, that just about had to be the Shechinah Glory. No natural star in the sky could lead them to one house. They are too far away. We would be hard pressed to explain how even a comet could zero in on one house.
From what I know now, I think HIS star was HIS light (he is the light of the world) HIS own glory, the Shechinah Glory. It could outshine anything in the sky. It could lead the wise men to a certain house and hover above it. It could show up or disappear at will.
I know you mean the shepherds were told about the babe lying in a manger (Luke 2:8.12).
> > In these days we are to look for signs and wonders of his appearing.
Yes, and the Moon just turned to blood on the 28th. What a beautiful picture was on the APOD the next day. Fred Espenak took these pictures. Agape
I agree on a totally different picture, but mine is different from your interpretation that they are UFOs, as well as different from authors of the past that think the cherubim are angelic creatures.
A long time ago, sometime in the 60s or 70s, I wanted to know what the cherubim actually were. I spent 7 years reading books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection without finding out. Authors either left that part out, or went off on a fanciful trip I couldn't swallow. I told the Lord that he would have to show me. After that, I quit reading man's books on the subject and stuck to the Bible and Strong's Concordance. I started looking up every word in Ezekiel 1. Finally, the light dawned. It was talking about things that none of the authors I read had been able to figure out. I was in uncharted territory.
We first hear about the cherubim in Gen. 3:24. It says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of (to) the tree of life." The Garden of Eden was in southern Iraq. Can we look to the east from there and see "Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way"? Yes, we can see the Earth, and at night, there are 5 cherubim that can be seen with the naked eye. To see something that could be called a flaming sword takes a telescope.
In trying to unravel the mystery, people get bogged down in the symbolism and miss the significance of Ezekiel's first sentence. It says, "...THE HEAVENS WERE OPENED, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD." The four cherubim are in "the heavens." The vision of God is Christ seated on his throne above the heads of the four cherubim.
The four cherubim orbit the central Sun. Their orbits are concentric wheels within wheels. Eze. 1:4 describes the Sun as "a fire infolding itself, and a brightness (sunshine) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire." Orbiting around the Sun are four lively things. Their spheres face all four directions as they circle around the Sun.
Eze. 1:15 gives us an important clue to help us unravel the mystery of the cherubim. It says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively things), behold ONE WHEEL UPON THE EARTH". One of the four orbits belongs to the Earth, which is one of the four terrestrial planets that are called cherubim in this vision.
Eze. 1:26-28 says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space) was the likeness of a THRONE (Christ's throne in Heaven), as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE STONE (which means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness (symbolic language) of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber stripes), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (that's Saturn's ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about." The colors are brought out by sunshine on ice crystals in both the rainbow and in Saturn's rings.
When verse 5 says of the cherubim, "this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man (adam, meaning red clay)," it means that they are made of red clay like the Earth. They are the four terrestrial planets. Each is a sphere. Therefore, they face the four cardinal points of the compass.
Verse 7 says, "And their feet (extremeties) were straight (smooth) feet; and the sole (outer edge) of their feet (extremeties) was like the sole of a calf's foot (disk-shaped): and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass" (reflecting the sunlight).
Their disks look like lamps in the sky, and they were represented that way by the golden lampstand in the temple. According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. In Ant., III. VI. 7, he said, "...the shaft elevated itself on high from a single base, and spread itself into as many branches as there are planets (i.e., naked-eye planets), including the sun among them." The semi circles of the lampstand branches suggest the circular orbits of the planets.
Eze. 1:13 gives us a hint at what the flaming sword of Gen. 3:24 might be. It says, "like the appearance of lamps: IT went up and down among the living creatures." "IT" is the "flaming sword," an asteroid from the breakup of Satan's planet Rahab. It seems to have a cometary orbit crossing the orbits of the terrestrial planets. Astronomers are trying to find it. So far, they have found 3000 NEOs (Near Earth Objects). We can see from Rev. 8:8 and 10 that it is a binary. After breaking apart, one piece will impact the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:1-5). The other will destroy Babylon (Rev. 18:21). Zech. 5:1-3 tells us that this "curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth" is twice as long as it is wide.
God sits between the cherubim, i.e., he sits on Saturn, between Jupiter and Uranus. I Sam. 4:4 says, "So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of THE LORD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6), WHICH DWELLETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS".
I Sam. 6:2 says, "And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of THE LORD OF HOSTS THAT DWELLETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS."
II Kings 19:15 says, "Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD GOD OF ISRAEL (Christ, Isa. 44:6), WHICH DWELLEST BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth."
Psa. 80:1 says, "Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel (Christ), thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; THOU THAT DWELLEST BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, shine forth."
Psa. 99:1 says, "The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: HE SITTETH BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS; let the earth be moved."
Isa. 37:16 says, "O LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6), God of Israel, THAT DWELLEST BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."
Eze. 10:2 says, "he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (under Satan, Eze. 28:14), and fill thine hand with coals of fire (asteroids from Satan's planet Rahab that was split apart) FROM BETWEEN THE CHERUBIMS (planets), and scatter them over the city." Jerusalem will have coals of fire scattered over her when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea.
Gen. 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (planets rise in the east), and a flaming sword which turned every way (an asteroid), to keep the way of (to) the tree of life" (in Heaven).
Rev. 22:1-5 gives us some more information about Heaven (i.e., Saturn). It says, "he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there THE TREE OF LIFE, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And THERE SHALL BE NO MORE CURSE: BUT THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB SHALL BE IN IT; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face (singular, we will still see God in the face of Jesus); and his name (one name) shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be NO NIGHT THERE; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever." Agape
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