Pro and Con 1164

Posted 12-3-04

World's deepest rocks found in the Pacific

23 May 2000
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s129724.htm

A gem from the deep - garnet knobs in mantle rock

New research by Australian geologists has got diamond prospecting companies around the world licking their lips, with the surprise discovery of diamond bearing rocks deep under an island....

Pope bids to heal Orthodox rift

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4047327.stm

The bones, in white reliquaries, were blessed by the two leaders The spiritual heads of Christianity's two largest churches, Roman Catholic and Orthodox, have taken part in a solemn ceremony at the Vatican. Pope John Paul II handed over to Patriarch Bartholomew the relics of two early Christian saints....

Incoming email, Re: Nothing will change in Palestine during the transition from kaffiyehs and holsters

This was written on the 10th, but it is well-written and prophetic.

I think that Hanan Ashrawi could be the "she that is mine enemy" of Micah 17:10.
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Nothing will change in ‘Palestine’ during the transition from kaffiyehs and holsters to suits and ties
By Dov Fischer
http://jewishworldreview.com/1104/fischer_2004_11_10.php3

My reply

Let's see. What time slot is Micah 7 talking about?

Micah 7:2 says, "The GOOD man is perished (abad, caused to vanish, ESCAPED) OUT OF THE EARTH: and there is none upright among men."

This is the Tribulation that follows the Pre-Trib Rapture. The good are gone. That means those wise virgins wearing white robes of righteousness have ESCAPED. They were ready, and went with the Bridegroom when he came for his Bride.

That reminds me that Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Jesus Christ).

Micah 7:9,10 says, "I (playing the part of the Tribulation saint) will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I HAVE SINNED against him, until he plead my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light (at the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and I shall behold his righteousness. Then (right after the Pre-Wrath Rapture) she that is mine enemy shall see it (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean at noon, Zeph. 2:3-5), and shame shall cover her which said unto me, Where is the LORD thy God? mine eyes shall behold her: now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets."

She "that is mine enemy" does seem to fit the Palestinians very well in this time slot. However, this is the day that Gog's army attacks Israel. It probably covers all of Israel's enemies, including the Palestinians. She will have backup that day.

She may indicate the United Religions, the harlot world church. The asteroid of Rev. 8:10 will destroy her headquarters in Babylon.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you. SEEK YE THE LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., by being raptured) in the day of the LORD's anger. For GAZA SHALL BE FORSAKEN, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. WOE unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

Rev. 9:1-12 is the first WOE. Verses 1-4 say, "the fifth angel sounded, and I saw A STAR FALL FROM HEAVEN UNTO THE EARTH: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit (i.e., forming the Lake of Fire); and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke LOCUSTS upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

The Lake of Fire will probably be formed at Babylon. Jer. 51:49 says, "As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth."

In Zech. 5:3,4, the stone that destroys Babylon is "the curse that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (disobeying the commandments on the 2 stone tablets) shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, like Judas Iscariot, a thief), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

She, United Religions, the harlot world church, is represented by an ephah, the largest wheat measure, and "This is their resemblance through all the earth" (Zech. 5:6).

In Zech. 5:5-11, we read about the harlot church that will have HER headquarters moved to Babylon. Verses 9-11 say, "they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (i.e., where the Tower of Babel stood).

Whew! Drastic change is just over the horizon. We need to use I John 1:9 now. We don't want dirty feet when Jesus comes for his Bride. John 13:6-10 says, "Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, IF I WASH THEE NOT, THOU HAST NO PART WITH ME. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean". Agape

Incoming email, Re: Asteroid 4179

Thought you would find this interesting.

Earlier this year (well, last year now, 5764) I was checking out near earth orbit asteroids (NEO’s) and noticed that Toutatis would make a ‘closest approach’ (actually about 4x the distance of the moon) on September 29, 2004. No, not near enough for concern, but the date rang a bell. Sure enough, checking the calendar, that is erev Sukkot this year, 5765.

Hmm. Believing that G-d speaks to us in everything if we have the sight or if He allows us to see, I was led to check something out. Each asteroid, as you know, is given a number. This one is 4179.

Now, could I be the only person in the world who LOOKED in Strong’s Hebrew and Chaldee dictionary for the word listed as 4179? Maybe, but remember this was from G-d, not me.

The word is Morijah, a hill; or Moriah, the Temple mount! Before even coming upon your wonderful writings, I too am led to believe that an asteroid (s) will be used by G-d, for it is written, "something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea". For me, this was affirmation that this is so, but it also speaks to me that something cataclysmic is very near, too.

Also, I must say that even though we are assured by Yeshua that no one knows the day nor the hour except the Father, I agree that our loving Father is sending us VERY clear signs that that day and hour is near. I understand too that you are not really making ‘predictions’ as some claim. I have read things from others that are clearly from the enemy when they go too far in dismissing your writings.

Correct me please if I am wrong, but I see you as a great respecter of G-d’s Plan and that He DOES give us information; evidence, if you will, if we are disciplined enough to uncover His Truth. YHWH also has very precise appointed times that are SO BEAUTIFUL, not random or haphazard, but perfect in every way.

I know there will be those who may attempt to discredit your work should December 17th come and go without a supernatural event. Please do not be disheartened by them! It is clear you are saying that this date seems to ‘fit’ many scriptural references and could be the day of the beginning of the end. (Or is it better to say the end of the Beginning!)

Whether it is or not, it is more important that you have served the L-rd by keeping us on the alert. Like the Israelites on Passover, we ought to always be READY, spiritually ready, to be ‘freed’ by G-d at last! Baruch Hashem!

For me, this means leading a righteous life, led by the Ruach HaKodesh. It means that The Great Commission is always a priority, and our purpose is, as one evangelist puts it so well, ‘to do right and to glorify G-d’.

I thank you now, for you lead others to delve into the scriptures and SEE the Beauty of our G-d, His Perfection and Holiness, His Righteousness and Power.

May His Shalom be with you, and may you find comfort in His Arms. ‘May the L-rd bless you and keep you, may He make His face to shine upon you and be gracious unto you, may He lift His countenance to you and give you shalom’. L’Shana Tovah, His bondservant

My reply

> > The word (4179) is Morijah, a hill; or Moriah, the Temple mount!

Since there is a large stone on the Temple mount, that ties asteroid, mountain and stone all together.

I agree with you that Rev. 8:8 and 10 are talking about pieces of an asteroid. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

The "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, at noon, Zeph. 2:3-5): and the third part of the sea became blood" (Rev. 8:8).

Water turned to blood sounds like one of the plagues that happened to Egypt just before the Exodus. Ex. 7:17 says, "Thus saith the LORD, In this thou shalt know that I am the LORD: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood." The Nile Delta is on the Mediterranean. Chances are good that this will happen again. Egypt will be damaged so much on the Day of the Lord that no one will live there for the next 40 years.

Eze. 29:10-12 says, "Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

When the larger piece of the binary asteroid destroys Babylon, it will fall "upon the third part of the rivers (Tigris and Euphrates?), and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (meaning bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter" (Rev. 8:10,11).

I think Zech. 5:2-4 makes it clear. It says, "he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll (i.e., rolling thing, the binary asteroid); the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then said he unto me, This is THE CURSE THAT GOETH FORTH (i.e., orbits) OVER THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it (as if one stone tablet with 5 commandments on it prefigured this stone); and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it (as if the other stone tablet with 5 commandments on it prefigured the stone that will destroy Babylon). I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (like Judas, the other son of perdition, the False Prophet, will be a thief), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope that claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof." That ties this stone in with Babylon. The rest of Zech. 5 tells about the world church being moved to Babylon. Verses 10 and 11 say, "Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah (largest wheat measure, world church, v. 6 says, 'This is their resemblance through all the earth')? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the foundation of the Tower of Babel).

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here (Babylon)? and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (Wormwood)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

> > I see you as a great respecter of G-d’s Plan and that He DOES give us information; evidence, if you will, if we are disciplined enough to uncover His Truth. YHWH also has very precise appointed times that are SO BEAUTIFUL, not random or haphazard, but perfect in every way.

I agree. I wouldn't change anything if I could. God's plan is always best.

> > I know there will be those who may attempt to discredit your work should December 17th come and go without a supernatural event. Please do not be disheartened by them!

I won't be. It will happen according to plan, His plan made before the world was. I just keep watching and trying to figure it out. After all, Yeshua said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things" (Mark 13:23). As YHWH King of Israel (Isa. 44:6), he also said, "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" (Isa. 46:10).

Not everything that happens to us is good, but "we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose" (Rom. 8:28). I trust Him to do this.

> > we ought to always be READY, spiritually ready, to be ‘freed’ by G-d at last!

Amen! I keep saying that we should use I John 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Then, we will be wearing the white wedding garment.

> > I thank you now, for you lead others to delve into the scriptures and SEE the Beauty of our G-d, His Perfection and Holiness, His Righteousness and Power.

Thanks much! Many blessings. Agape and Shalom

The 3 stages of the Harvest (resurrection)

I have been reading your web page for several years now, and have written to you a few times. I do have another question for you. I realize that it is difficult for you to take the time to answer because of your hip problems. I understand that as well as my mother just got her hip replaced after suffering with it for years.

So, here's my question which I will premise first with how I try to study and understand scripture. Since no scripture "is of any private interpretation"(2 Peter 1:20)there must be other verses that verify and idea one thinks is coming from it, and since "all things happened to them for ensamples (by way of example)" (1 Cor. 10:11), the lives in the Old Testament were recorded for us to be an example and an explanation to us and written for "our admonition" as we wait for and approach the end of the"world" or age, to come.

There are many examples in the Old Testament those being removed and then comes judgment upon the earth- Enoch removed prior to the flood, Lot and his family forcibly removed before destrucion fell, Noah and his family safely in the Ark before a drop of rain appeared, the first born of Isreal were safe before the death angel came through the land, the spies who went to Jericho were safely removed before the city fell...

I also have learned that according to the law of the harvest in the Old Testament, there are three aspect: firstfruits, harvest and the gleanings. The firstfruits is plural. In Matt. 27:51-53, the graves of many were opend at the time of the rending of the veil of the Temple, but bodies of the saints stayed in the graves three days and three nights. They did not come out until after the resurrection of Christ. Eph. 4:8 says that when Christ ascended on high He lead captivity captive. This could well be those saints who arose immediately after His resurrection and who ascended with Him, comprising the firstfruits. The main harvest has its counterpart in those who are Christ's at His appearing (1 Cor. 15:23). This group is divided into two sections as described in 1 Thess. 4:13-18. (1) the dead in Christ (This is a new Testament experience and can therefore mean only the New Testament saints who have died in the Lord); (2) Those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord. The expression IN CHRIST is not an Old Testament expression at all; so this main harvest at the resurrection does not include the Old Testament saints. The next in the order of the harvest is Old Testament and great tribulation saints. Dan 12:1 tells of the tribulation and describes it as a time of trouble His people Israel. This is the third phase of the first resurrection, and is the fulfillment of the type called "the gleanings".

Now with this all said, I have seen examples over and over, those being removed and then judgment. Where in scripture do you have an example of the end of a time period, the righteous being taken out and then the "backslidden" being given more time to become right with the Lord before they too come to a place where they have to account for their life before the Lord. God was very long suffering with the Jews during their time in the wilderness, but when the time came to their entering the promised land, it came once, they had one chance to enter in. They forfeited the blessing of entering into a rulership comprised of them and the God of the Universe within the promised land because of lack of belief. There was no repenting of God ( no turning from His decision) even though as Esau, they sought it from Him. Even though the whole unit (the children of Isreal) were present when the time to enter in came, those who forfieted it through the lack of faith recieved their judgment prior to Caleb and Joshua receiving the blessing and being allowed to enter in. To offer Christians a second chance to come into a better standing with the Lord during the tribulation because the didn't seek it prior to the set date of accountability doesn't jive with what I have learned of the Lord. The fact that there are Christians in heaven that seek to recieve more than they actually qualified for in this life is evident in the man showing up at the wedding feast without the proper attire (no wedding garment- the righteous acts of the saints) This is done by those in heaven after the day of accounting has past. I am not contending that there is the 3rd stage of the harvest (resurrection) but I am contending those that will be involved in that resurrection. I see a grave danger in allowing Christians to believe that after the rapture, there is still time to get ready. The time to get ready for the rapture is now for all Christians, there are no second chances. The time is short for ALL christians to come to accountability before the Lord.

My reply

> > 1 Thess. 4:13-18. (1) the dead in Christ (This is a new Testament experience and can therefore mean only the New Testament saints who have died in the Lord); (2) Those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord. The expression IN CHRIST is not an Old Testament expression at all; so this main harvest at the resurrection does not include the Old Testament saints.

I think it does. There is only one body. Eph. 4:4 says, "There is ONE BODY, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling".

Eph. 2:11-16 says, "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel (so Israel had Christ), and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And THAT HE MIGHT RECONCILE BOTH UNTO GOD IN ONE BODY BY THE CROSS, having slain the enmity thereby".

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH the King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHWH of hosts, his redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

In Rev. 22:13,16, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the FIRST AND THE LAST....I Jesus have sent mine angel (the pre-incarnate Christ was the Angel of the LORD in the Old Testament) to testify unto you these things in the churches. I AM THE ROOT (YHWH) AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID" (JESUS).

As II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself".

> > Where in scripture do you have an example of the end of a time period, the righteous being taken out and then the "backslidden" being given more time to become right with the Lord
> > To offer Christians a second chance to come into a better standing with the Lord during the tribulation because the didn't seek it prior to the set date of accountability doesn't jive with what I have learned of the Lord.

In Rev. 3:14-22, Jesus told the Laodiceans (meaning people of judgment), "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue (emesai, vomit) thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. AS MANY AS I LOVE, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and REPENT. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. TO HIM THAT OVERCOMETH WILL I GRANT TO SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Rev. 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES (i.e., that were spotted by the flesh at the first Rapture), and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The 144,000 Israelites are even added to the Bride-of-Christ group, because they are "virgins" "without fault before the throne of God" (Rev. 14:2-5). The entire Bride group sing the "new song" (Rev. 5:9), but at the 2nd Rapture, "no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth" (Rev. 14:3).

There is a first "trump of God" (1st Rapture, I Thess. 4:16) and a "last trump" (2nd Rapture, I Cor. 15:52).

I Cor. 15:52,53 says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

> > I see a grave danger in allowing Christians to believe that after the rapture, there is still time to get ready.

I think they will miss out on being part of the Bride group, but will get to Heaven. Think about this, the 144,000 Israelites aren't caught up in the 1st Rapture, but they get right with the Lord during the Tribulation and are caught up in the 2nd Rapture.

At the "last trump" of God, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, "the LORD shall be seen over them (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14), and his arrow (i.e., weapon of destruction, 'the curse' of Zech. 5:3, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet". The Tribulation saints will be like Daniel's friends that escaped the fiery pit without their clothing smelling like smoke. They will get out in the night or morning. The asteroids will hit at noon.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME UPON YOU. SEEK YE THE LORD, ALL YE MEEK OF THE EARTH, which have wrought his judgment; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (or raptured) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast". The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon on the Day of the LORD. No wonder the Lord wipes away their tears when they get to Heaven. Their's will be a last-day-possible escape.

> > The time is short for ALL christians to come to accountability before the Lord.

True. The Pre-Trib Rapture could be any day now. These virgins need enough oil of the Holy Spirit to keep their lamps burning brightly when the Bridegroom arrives. Those whose lamps are sputtering will probably end up being the foolish virgins (Mt. 25:1f). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Astronomy of of 11/7/2006, and Magi/December/2004

As powerful as the astronomical "signs in the sky" have been for the recent election and continue for the next week and month; take a look at the next mid-election timeframe of 11/7/2006 plus/minus 10 days. There is a massing of no less than 4 planets (Jupiter/Mars/Venus/Mercury) and the Sun in Libra with the Moon finally joining the group on 11/19-21. This 2 yr. timeline repeat cycle may have some relationship to the Arnie factor and a change in government mid-cycle elections. I'm always interested in the parallels of the Nov 4-18 period as it covers manyhistorical milestones in history. Election days, St. Leo, St. Martin, Martinams, Remembrance Sunday, Veterans Day, Krystallnight (Nazi), and Julian calendar 10/26, Halloween, All Saints, All Souls day and sometimes end of Ramadan.

After the past few days of close passing of Jup/Ven in Virgo, this morning I woke up to a beautiful Halo surrounding the last quarter Moon near Regulus and extending over all of Cancer and Leo to the tail near Denebola and the Egyptian "First Point in Time" Zep Tepi point along the ecliptic on the edge of Leo/Virgo.

Re: Magi/December/2004
Perhaps some help to answer a few questions and mention some other interesting facts about the coming Dec 2004 period.

Your Reply in Procon 1158:
answers > I am very unclear how any astronomical sign can be pinpointed to be over a particular place on Earth.

"You and me both. The part where the star reappears, leads them to Bethlehem, then stands over the house must be the Shekinah Glory. Therefore, I have decided that "HIS STAR in the east" was probably the Shekinah Glory too. It must have been spectacular, something out of the ordinary, to cause the Wise Men to make a four-month trip.

Gary: If one considers overhead to mean at the zenith point in the sky, then depending on one's latitude on Earth, a star or other object can be directly overhead shining down as into Jacob's well near Bethlehem. During the years around 7BC-2AD (birth and Magi visit timeline) there are only three of the Zodiac constellations that would be overhead as seen from Bethlehem at the zenith, Gemini, Cancer, Leo (and Coma). The Shekinah Glory may have appeared to emanate from within the boundaries of Coma and directly overhead of Bethlehem at certain times especially near late December early in the morning (4:30am) when the Magi may have made there visit (Dec 2BC-4BC). EL Martin's chosen timeframe of Dec. 18-26, 2BC during Hanakkah would have also had Jupiter (Virgo)directly below Coma and the constellation of Crux (Cross) below at the horizon area over Bethlehem as seen from Jerusalem. A Super-Super Nova or Shekinah Glory at the zenith point could have shown directly into the well and on the town of Bethlehem further marking it as the location mentioned by the prophets. Set YourSky for JDN 1721048.6 to 1721051.6 from Jerusalem to see the sky picture. This would have also coincided with the winter solstice time and the Julian and Gregorian calendar equivalent Christmas periods.

Something else to notice is that the only bright stars to pass overhead at the zenith in Jerusalem were Castor, Pollux and Arctaurus and some lesser magnitude stars in the head of the lion, Leo and of course Coma.

In the coming month of December 2004 from about the 11th-29th, the layout of the Sun/planets (east to west)will be Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn. The only bright star transiting overhead at the zenith (Jerusalem) in modern times now is Castor, Gemini which happens to be lined up fairly close to Saturn along the meridian ! The Geminid meteor shower under new Moon conditions is also around 12/13 this year.

My reply

Thanks for the information. Hope these things are leading up to the Rapture. Agape

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