Pro and Con 1166

Posted 12-8-04

Incoming e-mail, Re: Polaris alignment with descending passage in great Pyramid

I use a website entitled which is run by Herb Peters. Posted on the Discussion Board under EU Beast & Mid-East Watch under the heading Occult Pattern in EU Signing Week is a piece dated 12/2/04 by Eyrie. This person says -

"Here is something else that happened around that day. That I haven't heard anyone speak of. The Alignment of Polaris and the Pyramid of Giza. It will be in alignment from OCT 23 NOV 2, 2004

North Star Pointer:
The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144 B.C. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then.

The 344 ft. length of the Descending Passage provides an angle of view of only +/- 1/3 of a degree. Alpha Draconis has not been in alignment for thousands of years. The next alignment will be with the North Star, Polaris, in about 2004 A.D."

In your article Pro and con 1136 you say you would be most interested to know when this alignment is.

Well, I wanted verification from Eyrie where he/she got those dates from but after two PMs sent I have not received an answer yet. I also asked the same question in the same forum but no reply yet. If I find out I will let you know. Surely some of these astronomers MUST know....Only Jesus Saves

My reply

> > The Alignment of Polaris and the Pyramid of Giza It will be in alignment from OCT 23 NOV 2, 2004

Thanks much. Below is what I could find today on the date of alignment:
Polaris and the Great Pyramid
from the Ancient Mysteries Newsletter that discusses this phenomenon

...a change, which-as indicated from the astronomical or numerical conditions-dates from the latter portion or middle portion of the present fall....

Polaris will be perfectly aligned with the entrance to the Great Pyramid in 2004! At that time, Polaris will shine all the way down the shaft to the Subterranean Passage (a.k.a. The Pit). Even more significant, because the precession of the equinoxes causes the exact position of Polaris in the night sky to change at a rate of one degree every 71.5 years, this means that 70 years ago, in 1932, Polaris was just one degree away from perfect alignment with the entrance.

"The alignment has not occurred for over 2000 years and will be in alignment all year, but particularly in the fall of 2004."

...In October 2004 and for much of the remaining year, Polaris will be in perfect alignment with the Great Pyramid at Giza....
Heavenly Sign Watching: Part I

The next alignment will be with the North Star, Polaris, in about 2004 A.D.

Polaris in Greek means Satan.

The Pole Star Al Ruccaba, (The Revolved Upon) commonly known as the Polaris, or the North star...In 2004, it will have precessed to shine upon the floor of the "Subterranean Passage." What does this mean? HEAVEN AND EARTH ARE BEARING SYNCHRONIZED TESTIMONY. THE GEO-CELESTIAL ALARM CLOCK IS GOING OFF. SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Watch! Stay alert and watch.
Note: I hope it is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The "fall of 2004" is probably all we need to see the significance of the SIGN. Hebrew years start in the fall. This SIGN could mark 5765 (2004/2005) as the year King Cepheus (meaning THE BRANCH, i.e., Christ) starts his end-time countdown that ends with his being given his kingdom in the heavenly ceremony described in Daniel 7:9-14.

In the sky, Cepheus has on a royal crown, holds a scepter and either part of his robe or a fistful of cloth streamers in the other (i.e., he is a man of the cloth, a religious leader). His foot is just above Polaris, and the Lesser Sheepfold is under his feet. He holds his scepter out to his queen, Cassiopea (the woman enthroned, i.e., the Bride of Christ).

Since Polaris means Satan, and Cepheus (i.e., Jesus Christ) has his foot above it, I thought of Gen. 3:15. It says, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed (Jesus); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

In the Denderah Zodiac, the great king is called Perku Hor (meaning THIS ONE COMETH TO RULE). In Arabic, the star Al Phirk means THE REDEEMER. God named the stars, and the meaning is clear. This great king represents Christ.

The alignment of "OCT 23 NOV 2, 2004" (5765) could also show that the Rapture would be in 5765, the year the 7-year end-time countdown of Dan. 9:27 may start.

Dan. 9:27 says, "And he ('the prince that shall come,' the False Prophet) shall confirm (lit., strengthen) the covenant with many for one week (of years, i.e., the 7-year Tribulation): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Trib) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (because he will sit in the Temple 'shewing himself that he is God', II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the Temple) desolate, even until THE CONSUMMATION, and that determined (i.e., God's wrath) shall be poured upon the desolate" (or desolator).

Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd (False Prophet) that leaveth the flock (he goes to Babylon)! the sword (Sword of the Lord, the asteroid) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

It looks like Christ will receive his kingdom on Sept. 9, 2010, Tishri 1, 5771, the Feast of Trumpets. The Jews use inclusive reckoning for blocks of time. The year 5765 + 7 years of the Tribulation = 5771, a Jewish Leap Year: (1) 5765, (2) 5766, (3) 5767, (4) 5768, (5) 5769, (6) 5770, and (7) 5771.

Dan. 2:44 says, "in the days of these kings (the 10 toes of the image in Nebuchadnezzar's dream) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom (Christ's), which shall never be destroyed". On the day Christ is given his kingdom, a "stone (asteroid) was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his FEET that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces" (Dan. 2:34).

Dan. 7:7-14 says, " I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast (the Roman Empire), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly (like iron); and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with THE FEET OF IT (i.e., it is the end times, Dan. 2:44): and it (the end-time Roman Ecclesiastical Empire) was DIVERSE from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns (10 kings). I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER LITTLE HORN (the False Prophet), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in THIS HORN (the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18) were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things (because from Mid-Trib on, he will be Satan-possessed).

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down , and the Ancient of days (God of Heaven) did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: THE JUDGMENT WAS SET, and the books were opened. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which THE HORN (False Prophet, Rev. 13:11-18) spake: I beheld even till THE BEAST (Tribulation Pope, Rev. 13:4-10) was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame (Lake of Fire). As concerning the rest of the beasts (of the 10 kings), they had THEIR DOMINION TAKEN AWAY: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man (Jesus Christ) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days (God of Heaven), and they brought him near before him. And THERE WAS GIVEN HIM DOMINION, AND GLORY, AND A KINGDOM, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

Concerning "THE OTHER" horn that came up, before whom 3 of the 10 horns fell, "THE SAME HORN (the False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition, the 2nd horn of Rev. 13:11; the 1st son of perdition was Judas Iscariot) made war with the saints, and PREVAILED against them (during the Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7 years); UNTIL THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME, and judgment (at the Judgment Seat of Christ) was given to the saints (they receive their rewards, Rev. 11:18) of the most High (Christ, Isa. 44:6); and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom" (Dan. 7:21,22).

Rev. 11:15-18 says, "the seventh angel sounded (the 7th trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders (caught up in the 1st Rapture, Rev. 4:1-4), which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art (on the Day of the Lord), and wast (at the First Advent), and ART TO COME (at the Second Advent 7 months after the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and TO THE SAINTS, and THEM THAT FEAR THY NAME (the latter ones were probably caught up at the 2nd Rapture before noon, Zeph. 2:3-5, on this Day of the Lord), small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Agape

Incoming email, Re: What???

What the heck. 2 Raptures. You are close. One rapture is pre-wrath and that is all. There is no real context to show a pre-trib rapture. Be prepared to suffer for your faith in the midst of the tribulation and taken out before the wrath of God. I think it will become clear to you as you continue to study.

I was looking for answers about the day of Christ. I belive yours are misleading. Thanks

My reply

> > There is no real context to show a pre-trib rapture.

There is to me. When the Lord says something, I believe it. In Luke 21:36, Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." What will happen to those not accounted worthy to escape? They will not escape.

There are two groups of saints seen in Heaven at different times. In Rev. 5:8-10 the first group of "saints...sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF (ek) every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests". These saints are in Heaven when Christ is given the 7-sealed Title Deed to the Earth.

The Tribulation begins when Jesus breaks the first seal in the next chapter.

The second group of saints come out of the Great Tribulation. Rev. 7:9,14 says, "After this (after the breaking of the 6th seal in 6:12 and the sealing of the 144,000 Israelites in 7:4-8) I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The 1st group did not have to wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb. They had already confessed their sins committed after they accepted Christ. Haven't you noticed that Jesus had no words of condemnation for the Philadelphians? and that he set before them the "open door" in Rev. 8:8?

Have you noticed that he did not set the open door before the Laodiceans? Why? He spit them out, because they did not have on white robes of righteousness. In Rev. 3:18,19, Jesus told them, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity, i.e., the Holy Spirit, same as the foolish virgins of Mt. 25 needed more oil of the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire (i.e., in the Tribulation), that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Being left behind at the first Rapture is the lot of the Laodiceans that aren't wearing white garments. By the time of the second Rapture, they will have confessed their sins committed after accepting Christ to wash their robes in the blood of Christ.

At the second Rapture, the 144,000 "sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth" (Rev. 14:3,4).

Have you noticed that at the second Rapture, only the 144,000 sing the NEW SONG? All the saints in Rev. 5:9 sing the NEW SONG. We must rightly divide the word of truth.

The Tribulation is the trial that shall come upon all the earth. In Rev. 3:10,11 Jesus told the Philadelphians, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also WILL KEEP THEE FROM (ek, out of) the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I COME QUICKLY (at the Rapture): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy CROWN."

Wow! the Philadelphians have crowns, and are not told to "repent". They already have. No crowns are mentioned for the Laodiceans (meaning people of judgment). They are told to "repent." The "open door" is only set before the Philadelphians (meaning brotherly love).

The elders are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel. John is one of them. As soon as John arrives in Heaven, the other 23 elders are there too (Rev. 4:4). The saints out of all nations, not just Israel, are there too (Rev. 5:9). Therefore, these saints are caught up to Heaven when the 24 elders are caught up.

> > I think it will become clear to you as you continue to study.

I'm just about 76. I've been studying as hard as I can go ever since about 1960. I have learned a few things during these 44 years. How old are you? How long have you been studying?

> > I was looking for answers about the day of Christ.

As I understand it, the Day of Christ is the day of the first Rapture. The Day of the Lord is the day of the second Rapture. Major MSS have "day of the Lord" in II Thess. 2:2. That day will not come until after the Day of Christ. II Thess. 2:3 (World English Bible, and the Hebrew Name Version) says, "it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE comes FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction." The departure that comes FIRST, before the man of sin is revealed, is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

On the Day of the Lord, the Pre-Trib saints will be called from one end of Heaven to the other to the "general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). Also on that day, the Pre-Wrath saints will be gathered from one end of the Earth to the other.

Mark 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (the Pre-Trib saints).

We have been warned. Heb. 12:25 says, "See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they ESCAPED NOT who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall NOT WE ESCAPE, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."

When will Jesus speak from Heaven? Rev. 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice (Jesus') which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (after the Pre-Trib Rapture).

The miracle play that is "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is organized around three times, (1) before the Rapture, (2) at the time of the Rapture, and (3) after the Rapture. Rev. 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Pre-Trib Rapture), and the things which are (i.e., at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture).

There are two Days of the Son of Man (Luke 17:22f), i.e., two Raptures. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37-41, Luke 17:26,27). The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the day of Lot (Luke 17:28-36). In Gen. 7:4, Noah was told "For YET SEVEN DAYS, and I will cause it to rain."

Luke 17:29 says, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained FIRE and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed" (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man is seen at the 2nd Rapture, Mt. 24:30, Rev. 6:14f).

Just maybe, we have had to wait patiently about 7 years for the first Rapture, as the Tribulation saints have to wait about 7 years for the second Rapture. I Peter 1:7 says, "That the TRIAL OF YOUR FAITH (i.e., being tried without fire, like Noah), being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be TRIED WITH FIRE (i.e., like Lot, in the Tribulation), might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ".

The type: "At the end of seven years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee" (Jer. 34:14).

Isa. 57:1 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, vanish, escape), and no man layeth it to heart: and MERCIFUL MEN ARE TAKEN AWAY, none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL TO COME. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw NEAR hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore". The righteous are taken away when the Tribulation is near. They are TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL TO COME.

The fire of the Wrath of God will hit at noon. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea. Zeph. 2:3-5 says, "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (or raptured) in the day of the LORD's anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast". Agape

The Geminid Meteor Shower

The best meteor shower of 2004 peaks on Dec. 13th

...It's the Geminids. The best time to look is Monday night, Dec. 13th. Sky watchers who stay outside for a few hours around midnight can expect to see dozens to hundreds of "shooting stars."

The SOURCE OF THE SHOWER IS ASTEROID 3200 PHAETHON. THERE'S A CLOUD OF DUST TRAILING THE ASTEROID and Earth plows through it every year in mid-December. Bits of dust traveling 80,000 mph hit our atmosphere and turn into glowing meteors.

Where should you look? Anywhere. Geminids streak all over the sky. Trace some backwards: they all lead to a radiant point in the constellation Gemini. This year the radiant lies next to Saturn--a beautiful coincidence. Gemini and Saturn are high overhead at midnight, easy to find....

Although the middle of the night is (probably) best, start looking for Geminids as soon as the sun goes down. The first dark hours after sunset are when Earthgrazers appear.

Earthgrazers are meteors that skim almost horizontally across the top of Earth's atmosphere, like a stone skipping across a pond. You might see a few between 5:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. local time when Gemini is first peeking over the eastern horizon (the perfect geometry for earthgrazing). Earthgrazers are bright, long and colorful. Even one can make your day.

Finally, the Geminids are a little strange. It's their parentage: 3200 Phaethon. Meteor showers are supposed to come from comets, but 3200 Phaethon looks like an asteroid. This has puzzled astronomers for years....

Asteroid 3200 Phaethon might have gotten a tail, of sorts, by bumping into another asteroid. 3200 Phaethon spends much of its time in the asteroid belt. Hitting a neighbor could have created a cloud of debris that follows 3200 Phaethon around the solar system.

My comments

It seems to me that any asteroid, piece of the planet Rahab that broke apart, could have a swarm of debris following along with it.

Incoming email, Re: Zech. 5:1-5

I appreciate your thots on Zach 5:1-5. Do think the latter prophecy of the second part of this chapter could perhaps include Iran's nuclear ambitions?

My reply

I think Zech. 5:6-11 is talking about the headquarters of the universal world church being moved to Babylon. Zech. 5:6 says, "This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth." An ephah is the largest wheat measure, a fitting symbol of the world church.

Verses 10 and 11 say, "Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 7:2, Dan. 1:1,2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel).

Rev. 17:1-5 says, "Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters (nations, v. 15): With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication (joined), and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (desert, Babylon, Iraq): and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (great red dragon, Satan, Rev. 12:3,4), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Verse 10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS (the Beast), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (the Great Tribulation). The seven kings are over 7 kingdoms, (1) Babel, i.e., Babylon I, (2) Babylon II, (3) Media-Persia, (4) Greece, (5) Imperial Rome, (6) Ecclesiastical Rome, and (7) Babylon III.

Rev. 17 is written as if the Rapture had just taken place. Verse 14 says, "they that ARE WITH HIM (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." On Earth, the ten kings have "received no kingdom as yet," (v. 12). The 6th head, the Beast of Rev. 13:4-10, is already in power.

Rev. 17:18 says, "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth." The catholic (meaning universal) world church will be moved to Babylon, where she will be destroyed by the asteroid of Rev. 8:10 on the Day of the Lord. That asteroid is called Wormwood, meaning bitterness (Rev. 8:11).

Rev. 18:4 says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." This seems to be the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of the Lord.

Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape

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