Pro and Con 1167

Posted 12-8-04

Incoming email, Re: What???

What I have just read from you is a classic case of applying scripture to fit your theory. You jump all over the place with strange numbers and interpretations to fit your model. Always learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

I am 31. If you are interested, I am attaching my study on the subject. Yet an unfinished work. God Bless you

My reply

In the Bible, the truth on a certain subject is where you find it. Without exception, I believe what the Lord says, and I don't close my eyes to clues found anywhere in Scripture. Even Israel's history reveals clues. They played out dramatic skits that enhance our understanding of prophecy.

Dan. 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

What method has the Lord used in Scripture to ensure that only the wise will understand? First, he gives the Holy Spirit of Christ to believers to help them understand. Second, he didn't put all the necessary clues in one passage of Scripture.

Isa. 28:9-13 says, "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But THE WORD OF THE LORD WAS UNTO THEM PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT; LINE UPON LINE, LINE UPON LINE; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE THAT THEY MIGHT GO, AND FALL BACKWARD, AND BE BROKEN, AND SNARED, AND TAKEN."

To properly understand a subject in relation to the big prophecy picture, we should put together all the pieces of the puzzle that we can find. The Lord didn't put all the clues in one place. Different accounts furnish extra information.

Below is an example, the subject: Jesus walking on the water.

Mt. 14:22-32 says, "straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone. But THE SHIP WAS NOW IN THE MIDST OF THE SEA, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when PETER was come down out of the ship, he WALKED ON THE WATER, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased."

Mark 6:45-53 says, "And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to GO TO THE OTHER SIDE before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people. And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray. And when even was come, THE SHIP WAS IN THE MIDST OF THE SEA, and he alone on the land. And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them. But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out: For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid. And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered. For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened. And WHEN THEY HAD PASSED OVER, THEY CAME INTO THE LAND OF GENNESARET, and drew to the shore."

John 6:15-21 says, "When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone. And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea, And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them. And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew. So WHEN THEY HAD ROWED ABOUT FIVE AND TWENTY OR THIRTY FURLONGS, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid. But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid. Then they willingly received him into the ship: AND IMMEDIATELY THE SHIP WAS AT THE LAND WHITHER THEY WENT."

Only one account tells us that Peter walked on water. Two tell us that they were in the midst of the Sea. Only one account tells us that they had rowed about 25 or 30 furlongs. We know that they were in the middle of the sea of Galilee, but only John gives us the punch line, "IMMEDIATELY THE SHIP WAS AT THE LAND WHITHER THEY WENT."

Instantly, the whole ship and contents were transported "ABOUT FIVE AND TWENTY OR THIRTY FURLONGS", for they were in the middle of the sea of Galilee. That was a miracle of teleportation easy to miss unless we put all the accounts together. Only the wise will be likely to figure that out.

With the piecemeal end-time prophecies of the Old Testament, it is hard to string them all together in order of fulfilment until we compare them to the basic outline presented in "The Revelation of Jesus Christ". We need to put the OT pieces of prophecy into the outline in Revelation to flesh it out. If we don't, we will not see the whole picture with all its details.

The outline in the miracle play "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" can also be misunderstood unless we understand the way this miracle play is organized. In Rev. 1:19, Jesus gave us organizational information that is essential to right understanding of the whole script.

In Rev. 1:19, Jesus is talking to John, one of the 24 elders (II John 1:1; III John 1:1). He said, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., things before the Pre-Trib Rapture), and the things which are (i.e., at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be HEREAFTER" (i.e., after the Rapture).

The latter division comes at Rev. 4:1. Jesus said, "Come up hither, and I will shew thee THINGS WHICH MUST BE HEREAFTER." Therefore, the things before and at the time of the Rapture are to be found before Rev. 4:1's "HEREAFTER."

The whole script of Jesus' miracle play is written as if he was standing on the pinnacle of the Rapture and looking both backward and forward. The Rapture is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters. Bookending the "prophecy of this book," we find Rev. 1:3 and 22:10.

Upon opening the book, Rev. 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they (i.e., the Bride of Christ) that HEAR THE WORDS OF THIS PROPHECY (i.e., 'Come up hither'), and keep those things which are written therein (i.e., participate in the Rapture): for the time (of the Pre-Trib Rapture) is AT HAND."

Preparing to sign off at the close the book, Rev. 22:10 says, "Seal not the sayings of THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK: for the time (of the Pre-Trib Rapture) is AT HAND." In the last two verses, Jesus ends with "Surely I come quickly. Amen." Jesus comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5; 3:11). John adds, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

Out of the hush as the play begins, John announces the title, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY COME TO PASS." They will happen shortly, because the scene is when the Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand."

Like our movie directors today, Jesus started off with a Preview of coming attractions. First, he announced who he is, saying, "I am Alpha (the first, YHWH) and Omega (the last, YAHshua), the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Pre-Trib Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty" (1:8).

As the action begins, John says that he "was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit (when caught up in the Rapture) on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice (of Jesus Christ), as of a trumpet (i.e., as the 'trump of God' of I Thess. 4:16), Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (1:10,11).

Being instantly transported to Heaven, John turned to see who was speaking. First, he saw all 7 candlesticks, i.e., the overcomers of all 7 church groups, in Heaven. In this Preview, the Rapture had just taken place when he heard the voice like a trumpet. In the midst of the 7 churches, stood Jesus Christ. "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle." He was attired as both King and Priest.

Next, we find out how Jesus will look when we get to Heaven. "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters" (1:14,15).

"And he had in his right hand seven stars" (which are the star performers of the 7 church groups he had just caught up): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword (to cut off the foolish virgins and lukewarm Laodiceans): and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength (He is known as the Sun of Righteousness in Mal. 4:2). And when I (John) saw him, I fell at his feet as dead (representing the dead in Christ that will be part of the Rapture). And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I and the first (YHWH King of Israel) and the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6).

The things that come after the Pre-Trib Rapture seem to be arranged in tiers that are only easy to understand if we recognize that they are organized like circle clocks. The first circle clock has 6 circles arranged within a larger circle. In the center of those 6 circles is the 7th circle. This entire clock represents the 7 seals that will be broken during the 70th week of Daniel. There are also two other circle clocks, the Trumpet Clock and the Vial Clock.

In the inner 7th circle of the Seal Clock is another complete circle clock with its own 7 circles. This Trumpet Clock represents the 7 trumpet judgments that will come out of the 7th seal. These 7 trumpet judgments represent the wrath of God loosed on Earth on the Day of the Lord.

In the central 7th circle of the Trumpet Clock is another complete circle clock, the Vial Clock. It represents the 7 vials that fill up the wrath of God. These are what happens over a longer period of time than one day. The destruction that starts with the trumpets ends with the vials.

Just as there is a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel 9, there are parenthetic sections in Revelation between the 6th and 7th seals, the 6th and 7th trumpets, and the 6th and 7th vials. To determine where those sections should be placed, we have to look for and line up match marks, something common to two accounts. Things taking place simultaneously will have something in common to show us where they should be placed. For instance, an earthquake could be mentioned in both accounts to show us that they belong together.

The seals do not start until after the Pre-Trib Rapture takes those of Rev. 4:1,4 and 5:9 to Heaven. The breaking of the seals starts afterward in Rev. 6. The trumpet judgments come out of the 7th seal. They do not overlap any of the first 6 seals. The sooner we catch on to that, the easier it is to understand the sequence of events in the Tribulation.

The last half, the Great Tribulation, is shortened between the 6th and 7th seals. The 6th seal is broken on the Eve of Trumpets. The Pre-Wrath Rapture of Rev. 7 takes place before the 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8. This Rapture will be in the night or morning of the Feast of Trumpets. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 will impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5) when all 7 trumpet judgments are released. They will all hit Earth on one day, the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.

In Heaven, it is the Day of the General Assembly, Heb. 12:23. It is Coronation Day for Christ, the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the day of the Marriage of the Lamb.

On the Day of the Lord, the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints are gathered to the general assembly "from one end of HEAVEN to the other" (Mt. 24:31). The Pre-Wrath-Rapture saints are also gathered from EARTH. Mark 13:27 gives us this piece of the picture. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath-Rapture saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints who were already in Heaven)."

Rev. 11:15-19 tells us about the scene in Heaven that day. It says, "the seventh angel sounded (it's the 7th trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever (Christ receives his golden crown and uses his sickle to reap the Earth of the Tribulation saints, Rev. 14:14-16). And the four and twenty elders (which were previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture), which sat before God on their seats (Rev. 4:4), fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art (on the Day of the Lord), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (7 months later at the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (its 2 stone tablets representing the 2 asteroids which are at this time dumped on Earth): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an EARTHQUAKE, and great hail" (when the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 hit Earth).

> > 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 clinches the argument that the Day of the Lord, The Day of Christ, The Day of Wrath and the Day of Judgment are all part of the same Coming of Christ.

The "DAYS (plural) of the Son of man" (Luke 17:22, i.e., the TWO Days of Christ) are the two Raptures. The first is as the days of Noah, when rain fell. The second is as the days of Lot. "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed" (Luke 17:29,30). This is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f).

In II Thess 2:3, the early English translations put THE DEPARTURE for "he apostasia". this includes the translations by Tyndale, Cranmer, Breecher and Beza. Also, the Great Bible and the Coverdale Bible had the departure.

It is not A departure, but THE departure, because the article is used. II Thess. 2:1-12 (World English Bible) says, "Now, brothers (believers), concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR (including Paul, one of the 24 elders) GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 4:1,4), we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (major MSS have day of the Lord) had come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the Day of the Lord) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE (HE apostasia, i.e., THE GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, THE Pre-Trib Rapture) comes FIRST, and the man of sin (False Prophet) is revealed (SECOND), the son of destruction ('son of perdition,' KJV), he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he (the False Prophet) sits as God in the temple of God (Mid-Trib), SETTING HIMSELF UP AS GOD. Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? Now you know what is restraining him (the Holy Spirit in the saints), to the end that he may be revealed in his own season (the Tribulation). For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one (the part of the Holy Spirit that is indwelling the saints) who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way (i.e., is taken to Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture). Then the lawless one (the False Prophet) will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nothing by the brightness of his coming; even HE WHOSE COMING IS ACCORDING TO THE WORKING OF SATAN WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS (Rev. 13:13-15), and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

John 17:12 shows us that the first SON OF PERDITION was Judas Iscariot. It says, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the SON OF PERDITION; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

God has two comings in the man Jesus, and Satan has two comings to power in man. The first time was in Judas Iscariot, the first horn of Rev. 13:11. The False Prophet is the 2nd horn of Rev. 13:11. He too will be Satan-possessed, the 2nd SON OF PERDITION.

> > One very popular view of this time period is a pre-tribulation (Seventieth Week) rapture. This view of eschatology hinges on a dispensational point of view of history. In other words, that certain times are given by God for dealing with the Jews, and then dealing with the Gentiles until the “fullness of the Gentiles be come in.”, and then finishing dealing with the Jews. > > In order to sustain the pre-tribulation rapture point of view, it is required to accept this view unequivocally. When reading the book of Revelation with this filter, it is required that the last seven years, (Daniels Seventieth week) deal only with the Jews, excluding the church from any reference at all within the context of the “Great Tribulation”.

That is too simplistic. Since the foolish virgins of Mt. 25:1f are left behind, and the lukewarm members of the church of Laodicea are spit out of his mouth (Rev. 3:16) and left behind, there are remnants of the church in the Tribulation, just as the remnant of Israel is among us today.

At the second Rapture, there are 144,000 Israelites, but that isn't all. Rev. 7:9,14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...And he said to me, These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The Laodiceans that had no white garments at the time of the first Rapture have by the time of the second Rapture confessed their sins committed after they accepted Christ and brought those sins under the blood of Christ.

> > the church very well qualifies to be addressed both as saints and as those who hold the testimony of Jesus Christ and keep His commandments.

Rev. 12:17 says, "And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman (Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of HER SEED (Israelites), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (like the Nazarines of today).

> > The events described in the first four seals correspond to Jesus words from Matthew. > > Matthew 24:6-8 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Those things are before the Tribulation begins. It says, "the end is not yet." The first 4 seals are broken in the Tribulation, not before it. First, the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place (Rev. 4:1). John will take his place in Heaven with the other 23 elders (Rev. 4:4). Then Christ will be given the Title Deed of the Earth. Only after Christ has that book in his hand will he break the seals on that book. Rev. 5:1 says, "I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Rev. 5:7 says of Christ, "he came and took the book." Only in Rev. 6 does He begin to break the seals. The "saints...out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation are in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. Only after that is the 1st seal broken. Chapter 6 starts out with "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals."

> > The events described in the first four seals correspond to Jesus words from Matthew....24:6-8 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Verse 6 says, "but the end is not yet." Verse 14 says, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; AND THEN SHALL THE END COME." The end comes after the gospel is preached to all the world.

> > The sixth seal brings the signs of Jesus return. These are signs that are clearly posted on the road of scripture many times. > > Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The redemption of the disciples (Mt. 24:3) will be at the Pre-Trib Rapture. After it, John and the other 23 elders are seen crowned and sitting on their thrones in Heaven (Rev. 4:1,4). The redemption of the wise Philadelphian virgins will be at the Pre-Trib Rapture too. Eph. 4:30 says, "grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto THE DAY OF REDEMPTION."

Luke 21:11 says, "great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and GREAT SIGNS SHALL THERE BE FROM HEAVEN."

One of the GREAT SIGNS was the string-of-pearl comet pieces that started to hit Jupiter July 16, 1994. Nothing like that had ever been seen before. It was a warning to us that Earth could be hit by space rocks too.

Luke 21:25 says, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring."

In the constellation Vela, in the sails of the ship Argo, which means the company of travelers, i.e., the Bride of Christ that will be Raptured, we have had a double-anchor cross appear. That is the sign of Hope in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

The Rapture is our "blessed hope." Titus 2:13 says, "Looking for that BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

We also had a similar double-anchor sign of Hope in the Sun, a very bright Blood Moon, and Jupiter was in Virgo when the pieces of Shoemaker Levy 9 struck it. Jesus is the seed of the woman in Virgo and in Gen. 3:15.

Luke 21:28 says, "And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." We have seen signs. Therefore, the Rapture of the wise virgins, the Bride of Christ, draws nigh. Revelation was particularly written for these days when the Rapture is "at hand."

In Luke 21:33-36, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day (day of our redemption, the Pre-Trib Rapture) come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye (believers) therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, AND TO STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN."

In the Preview of the play, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, in Rev. chapter 1, John became in the spirit on the Lord's day and was caught up to Heaven. There he saw "in the midst of the seven candlesticks ('and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches,' Rev. 1:20, so when John is caught up to Heaven, the church saints are caught up with him) one like unto the Son of man (Christ), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle (when we first see him, he will be attired as both King and Priest). His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars (because he has just caught them up to Heaven): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword (i.e., to cut off the foolish virgins and the lukewarm Laodiceans): and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength" (Rev. 1:10-16).

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he (the foolish servant) looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him (the foolish servant) in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE HYPOCRITES (PRETENDERS): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt. 22:10-14 adds, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment (white raiment, Rev. 3:18; 19:8)? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and TAKE HIM AWAY, and cast him into outer darkness, THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. FOR MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."

Right after the Pre-Trib Rapture, when the "ten kings...have received no kingdom as yet (Rev. 17:12), Rev. 17:14 says, "they that are with him (the Lamb of God, Christ) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

When the Beast of Rev. 13:4-10 comes to power as the Tribulation begins, he will open "his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, AND THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" (i.e., those caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

> > Revelation 6:12-13 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Notice that the signs in the heavens before the Pre-Trib Rapture are different from the signs before the Pre-Wrath Rapture, whenn the Sun does not become black, and stars do not fall to the Earth. Neither is the sixth seal broken. At the Pre-Trib Rapture, Jesus has not yet taken the Title Deed to the Earth that has the 7 seals on it. The first seal has not yet been broken.

> > Matthew records Jesus’s words about the sign of His coming with the angels and the gathering of the saints. (Rapture).
> > Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days (persecution of the saints, Jew and Gentile) shall THE SUN BE DARKENED, and the moon shall not give her light, and THE STARS SHALL FALL from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
> > Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together (rapture) his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Notice that no Rapture is mentioned here. The saints that have already been taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are now gathered "from one end of Heaven to the other."

However, the Pre-Wrath Rapture does take place at the same time the Pre-Trib saints are gathered to the "general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (i.e., the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints who were taken there previously).

The first and last trumps of God are indicated by type in Nu. 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, AND FOR THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly (church saints and Tribulation saints) shall assemble themselves to thee (Heb. 12:23) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture, I Thess. 4:16), then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel), shall gather themselves unto thee" (Rev. 4:1,4). Agape

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