Pro and Con 1172

Posted 12-17-04

Incoming email, Re: the Rapture

I just ran across this and thought I would share this poem at this disappointing time for those of us looking for His coming. With us as proclaimer's of God's promises....Let us stand together on His Word through Peter who spoke, "The LORD is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness: But (YHWH) is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance. BUT, the day of the LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night" (2 Peter 3:9-10).

Yes, the LORD is not slack and He is patient towards us. Yes, He will come as a thief in the night, BUT it is also written that His own will know. Through the "signs" we are in that Season. Let us NOT grow weary because His COMING QUICKLY is our hope and stay!...May God's blessing and STRENGTH be upon your house until His coming.
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http://www.lovechristnow.com/therapture.html

Amid the reeling of the earth, the flash of lightening, and the roar of thunder, the voice of the Son of God calls forth the sleeping saints. He looks upon the graves of the righteous, then, raising His hands to heaven, He cries: "Awake, awake, awake, ye that sleep in the dust, and arise!" Throughout the length and breadth of the earth the dead shall hear that voice, and they that hear shall live. And the whole earth shall ring with the tread of the exceeding great army of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. From the prison house of death they come, clothed with immortal glory, crying: "O death, where is thy sting? O grace, great is thy victory!"

1 Corinthians 15:55. The living righteous are changed "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye." At the voice of God they are glorified; now they are made immortal and with the risen saints are caught up to meet their Lord in the air. Angels "gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Little children are borne by holy angels to their mothers' arms. Friends long separated by death are united, nevermore to part, and with songs of gladness ascend together to the City of God.

To Live by Faith

To live by faith is a far surer and happier thing than to live by feelings or by works. The branch, by living in the vine, lives a better life than it would live by itself, even if it were possible for it to live apart from the stem. To live by clinging to the Lord Jesus, by deriving all from Him is a sweet and sacred thing.

Holiday Sky Show: Five Planets to Shine in Predawn

By Brian Handwerk, 12-16-04
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1216_041215_five_planet_sky.html

...they won't be seen together again until 2016...Saturn, though very bright, will share the western sky with the also-bright twin stars of Gemini--Castor and Pollux. The brightest of that three-star grouping will be the ringed planet...

All five of these planets will be visible simultaneously, in morning twilight, from mid-December through the end of 2004....

Incoming email, Re: Ezekiel and the year 2004

From: Jim Bramlett, 12-15-04

God's revelation to Ezekiel in chapter 4 continues to intrigue me. It is about the 430 years of punishment (which commentaries admit is a mystery), 70 of which occurred during the Babylonian captivity, leaving 360, then applying the "7 times more" of Leviticus 26 (or 7 X 360 = 2,520), which totals to 2,590 years. According to Ezekiel 4, this is to be counted from the "siege" of Jerusalem.

In the 1990s Randy Bullock reminded me that this interpretation was put forth several decades earlier by Arthur Bloomfield in his book, The End of the Days. Bloomfield starts his count at the Babylonian siege of 586 B.C. and calculates the end of the 2,590 years will be "about A.D. 2004."

Also, I am reminded that in his book, Times of the Signs. George T. Curle has the same interpretation (but giving credit to Bloomfield), except that he believes the correct calculation instead takes one to 2005, taking into consideration the no-zero year between B.C. and A.D. But as Randy says, it may depend on start-month and stop-month, or rounding.

It is significant that there are some reputable scholars who believe the siege was actually in 587 B.C., not 586. If true, that would make 2004 come out more neatly.

This is interesting: 2,590 modern (365.24-day) years converted to prophetic (360-day) years = 2553 (rounded), and 587 + 2553 = 1967, the very year the Jews recaptured Jerusalem according to Luke 21:24!!! This cannot be an accident and seems quite significant, and it may confirm 587 as the correct year.

I am not exactly sure what all this means, but it could mean that 2004 or 2005 is the end of a long, 2,590-year count in Jewish history that began with the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem. It could mean the end of "the times of the Gentiles" and the beginning of God's prophesied final dealings with Israel. If that is true, it could also mean that the removal of the church for this final segment of time for Israel is imminent.

The connection of this time period with "the times of the Gentiles" may be confirmed by Jesus' own words in Luke 21:24 above.

A photo in our local newspaper of a Hanukkah sign on an automobile this week read, "Bring Moshiach," which means "bring the Messiah."

Amen. And we know His name. It is Jesus, or Yeshua. He is coming. Jim

Incoming email, Re: questions

Thank you for your website, it is incredibly interesting and I love reading it.

My family and I are looking for the soon return of Jesus our Lord and have felt in our spirit for the last 5 or so years that judgment was near and it starts in the house of God. We are studying to understand the times we live in and I have some questions:

I have always thought that the “falling away” in II Thes.2:3 was the falling away of believers from the church into a belief of a lie like the new age belief that there is more than one way to God the father. Is this not the meaning of the “falling away”? I looked up apostasy and found the greek meaning apostasia apo= away and stasis=a standing. As you know, “standing” kind of has a double meaning in the English language it either can mean “physically standing in a place” or it could mean “where you are in your thoughts on a particular subject, like changing your mind on spiritual beleifs”

My question is “What does the greek word apostasia “ away” and “the standing” mean in II Thes. 2:3? Not being a Greek scholar, I have no idea and was wondering if you knew.

Secondly, what is the “day of Christ”? Is it the “Day of our Lord” ? and why does the day of the Lord mean, I’ve read it’s the pre-trib rapture. . . It seems relatively clear that in the beginning of the II Thes. passage Paul is talking about two different events “ our gathering together unto Him” and “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”

Thirdly, and please forgive my ignorance on this subject, but I thought the anti-christ is the one that would show himself as God? Not the false prophet, I thought the false prophet would be setting up the anti-christ to be shown as God by doing “lying wonders”

Fourthly, when did Paul tell the Thessalonians “these things” ? I have searched and never found where he told them this, do you know?

This it the passage I am referring to:

II Thess. 2:1-9 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (the Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (almost all major MSS have 'day of the Lord') is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (Day of the Lord, the1st day of Christ's millennial reign) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, DEPARTURE; i.e., the Rapture) first, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed, the son of perdition (only Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet are sons of perdition); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he (the False Prophet, the son of perdition) as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth (the Holy Spirit that indwells believers) that he (the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (the Great Tribulation). For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit) who now letteth will let (Old English for hindereth will hinder), until he be taken out of the way (at the Rapture). And then shall that Wicked (False Prophet) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders."

Thank you for your time in this response

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > I looked up apostasy and found the greek meaning apostasia apo= away and stasis=a standing.

A standing away from is a departure, as in "apostasiou," a divorcement, when one person leaves the other.

> > “What does the greek word apostasia “away” and “the standing” mean in II Thes. 2:3?

Apostasia has the article in front of it. It isn't just some general falling away from the correct teaching concerning Christ, as our like-sounding English word apostacy suggests. It is THE DEPARTURE, as in Tyndale's, Cranmer's, Breecher's and Beza's translations as well as in The Great Bible and the Coverdale Bible. Why the translators of the KJV broke with the established translation and put "a falling away," I can't imagine. Also, according to the major MSS, their "day of Christ" in v. 2 should be the day of the Lord. It is the great Day of the Lord that is also the Day of God's Wrath. That day won't come unless the Rapture has taken place "first." Even the Mid-Trib desecrating of the temple by the False Prophet has to be second to the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The World English Bible says, "it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE (the Rapture) comes FIRST, and the man of sin (the False Prophet) is revealed (second), the son of destruction." The KJV has "the son of perdition."

Judas Iscariot was the first son of perdition. Satan entered into him. The False Prophet is the second son of perdition, because Satan also enters into him. The two horns in Rev. 13:11 stand for the two comings to power in these two men that Satan is allowed. This is like Christ's two comings, represented by the two horns of the ram Abraham sacrificed instead of Isaac.

In II Thess. 2:1 (KJV), Paul said, "Now we ('Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus," 1:1) beseech you, brethren (believers), by THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND BY OUR (believers', including Paul, Silvanus, and Timotheus) GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM". This is the first Rapture, when John is caught up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1. In Rev. 4:4, the 24 elders, 12 patriarchs of Israel and 12 apostles of Israel, are seen on their thrones in Heaven right after the Rapture. The only thing the gathering together unto Jesus, in II Thess. 2:1, could be is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Therefore, THE DEPARTURE in verse 3 is the Pre-Trib Rapture. It must come first. The revealing of the man of sin when he confirms "the convenant with many for one week" (of years, Dan. 9:27) is second. He must "be revealed in his time (i.e., at the beginning of the Tribulation). His sitting in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" is third, Mid-Trib.

Why can't he be revealed before the Tribulation? The Holy Spirit in the salt-of-the-Earth believers is restraining him so that he will "be revealed in his time", in the Tribulation.

Therefore, the Rapture has to take place before the wicked one can be revealed at the beginning of "his time," the Tribulation. Only then will the restraining influence be removed. He will then be "taken (ginomai, to arise, be taken) out of the way" at the Rapture. At that time, at the Rapture at the beginning of the Tribulation, "then shall that Wicked be revealed." "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and LYING WONDERS" (II Thess. 2:9). This ties him in with the False Prophet, who "doeth GREAT WONDERS, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven in the earth in the sight of men" (Rev. 13:13).

> > What is the “day of Christ”? Is it the “Day of our Lord”?

It should be translated day of the Lord. That is the day of the "last trump," the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and the Day of God's Wrath.

Both Raptures are called a Day of the Son of Man. They would each be a Day of Christ. One is as in the days of Noah, no fire fell. The second is as in the days of Lot, when fire fell. In Luke 17:22, Jesus said, "when ye (disciples) shall desire to see ONE (i.e., the first Rapture) of the DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall not see it (i.e., be a foolish virgin who gets left behind at the first Rapture). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there (i.e., to follow the Beast and False Prophet): go not after them, nor follow them....And as it was in the days of Noa, so shall it be also in the DAYS of the Son of Man....Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot...But THE SAME DAY THAT LOT WENT OUT OF SODOM IT RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed" (i.e., when they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f).

The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah. "Then shall two be in the field (the field is the world); the one shall BE TAKEN (paralambano, to take alongside), and the other left" (Mt. 24:40).

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the day of Lot. In "that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall BE TAKEN (paralambano, to take alongside), and the other shall be left" (Luke 17:34).

> > I thought the anti-christ is the one that would show himself as God? Not the false prophet, I thought the false prophet would be setting up the anti-christ to be shown as God by doing “lying wonders”

IIJohn1:7 (KJV) says, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, WHO CONFESS NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. THIS IS A (lit., THE) DECEIVER AND AN (lit., THE) ANTICHRIST."

Green translates II John 1:7 thus. "Because many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh--this is THE deceiver and THE antichrist." (emphasis is mine)

I think THE Antichrist will be the False Prophet. I John 2:22 (KJV) says, "Who is a (lit., THE) liar but HE THAT DENIETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST? HE IS (lit., THE) ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON."

Green translates I John 2:22 thus. "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is THE Christ? He is THE antichrist who denies the Father and the Son."

I think the first Beast will be the Tribulation Pope. He will carry the name of blasphemy, Pontifex Maximus, just as the leaders of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome and Ecclesiastical Rome have. He will be a ruler of Ecclesiasticl Rome. I don't think he will deny the Father and the Son. What I think he will do is swear falsely by God's name (i.e., claim to be infallible).

Zech. 5:4 says, "I will bring it (the curse, the asteroid that orbits over the face of the Earth, v. 3) forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, who steals the World Church), and into the house of him (the Tribulation Pope) that SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > Fourthly, when did Paul tell the Thessalonians “these things” ? I have searched and never found where he told them this, do you know?

He said, "when I was yet with you" (II Thess. 5), i.e., when he was there in person teaching them the "gospel of God" (I Thess. 2:9).

That harpazo, translated "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17, means to be caught up to Heaven, i.e., to be raptured, can easily be seen in II Cor. 12:2. It tells where they will go when they are caught up.

In II Cor. 12:2, Paul said, "I knew a man (Paul himself) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP (harpazo) TO THE THIRD HEAVEN" (1st Heaven, Mars; 2nd Heaven, Jupiter; and 3rd Heaven, Saturn). Agape

Incoming email, Re: The placement of the Gog invasion question

Your Biblical scholarship and dedication to our Lord's work is amazing. Perhaps you can reconcile something that has been bothering me. Certainly I would appreciate it.

I understand that Israel will consume the remains of the Gog conflict for seven years (Ezekiel 39:9,10) and will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them. And too, they will spend seven months burying the dead from the Gog invasion (Ezekiel 39:12). If I understand the chronology correctly, mid-way through the Tribulation period the Jewish believers are instructed to drop everything and flee (Mathew 24:15-22). I don't see how the Gog invasion can take place mid-way through Daniel's seventieth week. For me, I don't see how the two scenes that are described in scripture are the same. It doesn't seem plausible that anyone who has been instructed to flee will stop an bury anyone, and I don't think that Israel will be plundering anyone three years into the millennial kingdom. To my way of thinking, the Gog invasion would need to take place some time before the start of Daniel's seventieth week. Perhaps some of the activity described in Ezekiel 39 could take place during the first half of the seventieth week? But again, with the fury of the last half of the tribulation, and the improbability of Israel pillaging their neighbors during the millennial kingdom, how do you reconcile these two passages in scripture? I do have follow-on questions, but perhaps you can reconcile the co-placement in time for the two events?

Marilyn, thank you for considering this issue for me! YBIC

My reply

Thanks. I appreciate your kind words. I'm dedicated all right. How to stop is not something I am seeking for. I can't wait to get to Heaven and find out all the things we couldn't understand down here.

> > To my way of thinking, the Gog invasion would need to take place some time before the start of Daniel's seventieth week.

I don't think so. When the first seal is broken at the beginning of the Tribulation, the Beast appears riding on a white horse as a prince of peace. I think he will be the Tribulation Pope. He has a bow, toxon, simple fabric, showing that he is a man of the cloth, a religious leader. He isn't Gog.

The Messianic Jews will flee Jerusalem Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4).

The main clues we need to place the rest of your puzzle pieces are in Eze. 38:18-20. It says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day (THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH) there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:3-5); So that the FISHES OF THE SEA, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE (this is the worldwide earthquake) AT MY PRESENCE (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man of Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f is seen), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground." That means goodbye buildings.

The wrath starts when the 1st trumpet sounds and lasts until the 7th vial is poured out. Just before the 1st trumpet sounds, Rev. 6:17 announces, "the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?" The Tribulation saints will. The four angels hold back the winds until the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place (Rev. 7:1,9,14).

The 1st trumpet sounds in Rev. 8:7. It says, "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up."

The 2nd trumpet sounds in Rev. 8:8. It says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain (i.e., asteroid) burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood." Things go from bad to worse. The asteroid of Rev. 8:10 destroys Babylon.

Rev. 16:17-20 tells us of the results when the 7th vial is poured out. It says, "the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, IT IS DONE. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell (when all the walls fell): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her THE CUP OF THE WINE OF THE FIERCENESS OF HIS WRATH."

After this, the Jews will bury the dead of Gog's army for 7 months to cleanse the land for the return of Christ in glory at the Second Advent. Eze. 39:11-13 says, "it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

It will be a Jewish Leap Year, because those 7 months stretch from the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, to the Second Advent on Nisan 1, the first day of the Hebrew regnal year. Christ will return on the same day that the other Israelite kings officially took office. Agape

Interesting and well documented article: "ancient evidence for jesus from ‘non-christian’ sources"

by Michael Gleghorn http://www.christianity.net.au/jesus/evidence.htm There are quotes from Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, the Babylonian Talmud, and Lucian of Samosata.

Incoming email, Re: Ascension Day!

Luke 24:29 says that Peter and Cleopas constrained Jesus, saying, "Abide with us: for it is toward evening and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. He sat meat with them, took bread and blessed it, brake and gave to them. Their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight (like an ascension). This is the end of the "road to Emmaus" story and I think that it possibly is a part of the 2nd time that Jesus was seen after resurrection in the upper room (you know how, often, the same story is told in several of the gospels). My reason is because this was the same day--Luke 24:13 says, "And, behold, two of them went that same day (resurrection day) to a villiage called Emmaus.

Then John 20: 14 tells of the first time Jesus was seen after resurrection, by Mary (at which time he told her not to touch, because he had not yet acended to the Father-that is one acension). Then, verse 19 tells of the second time "the same day, at evening," Jesus was seen, when he stood in the midst of the disciples in the upper room (and the doors were shut), and Jesus breathed on them, and said "Receive ye the Holy Ghost." This is when Thomas was not there. Then in verse 26, after eight days, they were assembled again in the upper room (the doors being shut) Jesus came the third time, and stood in their midst. That is when Thomas believed.

Then in Acts 1: 3, it says that he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs (apparently many times), being seen of them forty days. Then verse 6, says that had come together, and after the acension, returned from a mount called Olivet, to Jerusalem, a sabbath day's journey. They went to the upper room. Verse 13 tells who "abode"(lived) in the upper room-Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James(son of Alphaeus), Simon Zelotes, and Judas (the bother of James), where returned to after the ascension.

How far is a sabbath day's journey? It is only about 2 miles from Bethany to Jerusalem.

Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

There is nothing that I can find that spells it out, but with the wise virgins parable, it just seems that midnight is the only indication in the scriptures. And, he said that he has foretold us all things. What do you think? I do believe that the day and hour are in the scriptures. God also that he did nothing that he did not tell the prophets before hand. I know it is in the scriptures, somewhere, if we study diligently.

And I don't know if anyone studies harder than you.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > Then, verse 19 tells of the second time "the same day, at evening," Jesus was seen, when he stood in the midst of the disciples in the upper room (and the doors were shut), and Jesus breathed on them, and said "Receive ye the Holy Ghost." This is when Thomas was not there. Then in verse 26, after eight days, they were assembled again in the upper room (the doors being shut) Jesus came the third time, and stood in their midst. That is when Thomas believed.

The first time "the doors were shut" (John 20:19) may prefigure the time when the wise virgins are caught up at the Pre-Trib Rapture. When Jesus came the second time "the doors being shut" (v. 26), it probably prefigured the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky that day (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f). That group will probably include those that say that they only believe what they can see or handle. The Pre-Wrath Rapture is the third time Jesus comes. He came at the First Advent, will come at the Pre-Trib Rapture, and will come at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Even that is not all of his comings. He will come at the Second Advent. Only at the First and Second Advents does he put his feet on Earth. At the two Rapture comings, he will be in the air.

> > (and the doors were shut), and Jesus breathed on them, and said "Receive ye the Holy Ghost."

This reminds me of Mt. 25:1f. There we find the wise virgins that have enough oil, i.e., "the Holy Ghost", and the foolish virgins that need more oil. They are the ones that found the doors shut. Putting these passages together, it is easy to see that the oil represents the Holy Spirit.

> > How far is a sabbath day's journey?

Scofield said, "About 4854 ft." However, it is obvious that the distance to Bethany was permitted.

> > There is nothing that I can find that spells it out, but with the wise virgins parable, it just seems that midnight is the only indication in the scriptures. And, he said that he has foretold us all things. What do you think?

Midnight seems to be the time, but there are different time zones. Would he come at midnight in each one? I will guess, "Yes," but can't be sure. It would give some more time for the gathering. We are called wheat, and a wheat field is reaped by repeated passes of the threshing machine.

> > I do believe that the day and hour are in the scriptures.

Rev. 3:3 says, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what HOUR I will come upon thee." Agape

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