Pro and Con 1176

Posted 1-26-05

Incoming email, Re: Sunspot 720

With all the buzz over the landing on Titan, didn't know if you had seen this. Though we are supposed to be in between the 11 year sunspot cycle, things have not followed this pattern over the last year or so. In the last few days, sunspot 720 has grown from a speck to the size of Jupiter. An X3-class eruption (solar flare) occurred early this morning, (0950 GMT) which could reach earth Tuesday or Wednesday maybe triggering a geomagnetic storm; aurora in high latitudes or even disrupt communications.

The earth AND the sun are in upheaval. Let us keep our eyes fixed on the L-rd, our lamps filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit, and let us SHAMAR, hear and obey His commands. I pray this for you, me, and all those who have received our Saviour, Yeshua the Messiah, into their hearts. And for those who have not, may they know the time grows short, and I pray they choose LIFE.
Shalom Aleichem, His bondservant

My Reply

Thanks. That's interesting. We are getting lots of Acts of God of sign proportions lately....

Searching on Google for the URL, here is what I found:
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What's Up in Space -- 18 Jan 2005
http://spaceweather.com/

AURORA ALERT: A coronal mass ejection (CME) is heading for Earth and extreme geomagnetic storms are possible when it arrives on Jan. 18th or 19th. Sky watchers everywhere, be alert for auroras!...

Pictured...is a SOHO coronagraph image of the CME. It was hurled into space by an X3-class explosion above sunspot 720 on Jan. 17th (0950 GMT). The many speckles are caused by solar protons (accelerated to light speed by the blast) hitting SOHO's digital camera.

Giant sunspot 720 poses a continued threat for X-class flares. Stay tuned for more solar activity.

BIG SUNSPOT: Sunspot 720 is huge--about as wide as the planet Jupiter....
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This is the first time I can remember seeing a picture of solar protons hitting the SOHO camera. Wow! am I glad you alerted me to this.

Shalom Aleichem (peace be unto you),
Agape (God's kind of love, the best kind)

Opportunity Spots Curious Object On Mars

By Leonard David, 1-13-05
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/mars_object_050113.html

NASA’s Opportunity Mars rover has come across an interesting object -- perhaps a meteorite sitting out in the open at Meridiani Planum. Initial data taken by the robot’s Mini-Thermal Emission Spectrometer (Mini-TES) is suggestive that the odd-looking “rock” is made of metal. (It's basketball sized.)

Incoming email, Re: TRUE DATE OF PENTECOST??

First I hope your aches and pains are few and far between. The same goes for your husband Ed....

Even though we have never met I think of you as a distant Grandma of mine.

Your biblical knowledge is quite outstanding and puts me to shame...However I must gently disagree with you about your latest addition to your main page dated Jan 7, 2005 titled UNRAVELING THE MYSTERY OF THE TRUE DATE OF PENTECOST. And because I having trouble putting my thoughts down on paper, in a way that would make sense, I will instead refer you to a web page that expresses my view point better than I ever could.

Here is that link: http://www.karaite-korner.org/shavuot.shtml

Marilyn, thank you for your tireless effort and dedication to your fellow believers in Christ and too Christ himself. You are a source of strength for me as I continue to draw closer to him.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I'm doing ok. Ed twisted and fell twice. First time, he got a groin pull, so is barely walking, taking tiny steps. He needs our prayers. Thanks for being concerned. (Update 1-24-05: Ed is walking better the last three days. Thank you Lord.)

> > Shavuot (Feast of Weeks/ Pentecost) is the Biblical harvest-festival celebrated 50 days after the Sunday which falls out during Passover. These fifty days are called the Counting of the Omer. The Rabbis incorrectly celebrate Shavuoth on the 6th of Sivan.

I disagree with both the Karaites and Rabbis on this. I think Pentecost is Sivan 7, the 50th day from the Feast of Firstfruits, which is the morrow (Nisan 16) after the Feast of Unleavened Bread (an annual Sabbath) on Nisan 15.

All feasts are Sabbaths, days of rest, holy convocations. Passover through Pentecost are appointments the Lord will keep. Passover, Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:5), is a High Sabbath, and it does not have to fall on Saturday. The Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, is a Sabbath, and it does not have to fall on Saturday. Since Nisan 14 and 15 have no set day of the week, the MORROW after the Feast of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15 is Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits, which can't have a set day of the week either.

Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Nisan 13. He was in the Earth 3 days and 3 nights, Thursday, day; Friday, night then day; Saturday, night then day, and Sunday, night. That shows us that Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits were on 3 consecutive days, Nisan 14, 15 and 16. Passover was the High Sabbath. All 3 were annual Sabbaths, but not tied to any particular day of the week. In the following year, they would still be on Nisan 14, 15 and 16, but on different days of the week.

Lev. 23:6,7 (Stone Ed. Tanach, considered the best translation) says, "on the fifteenth day of this month is the Festival of Matzos (Unleavened Bread) to HASHEM; you shall eat matzos for a seven-day period. On the first day (i.e., Nisan 15, a firm date not tied to a certain week day) there shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall do no laborious work" (i.e., it's an annual Sabbath, but not necessarily Saturday). Verses 10 and 11 say, "the Kohen. He shall wave the Omer (i.e., on Firstfruits) before HASHEM to gain favor for you; ON THE MORROW (i.e., Nisan 16) OF THE REST DAY (i.e., Nisan 15) the Kohen shall wave it." All three feasts, Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits were on consecutive days, Nisan 14, 15, and 16. None were tied to a certain day of the week.

Pentecost is THE FEAST OF WEEKS (Ex. 34:22; De. 16:10,16; II Chron. 8:13).

Lev. 23:15,18 (Stone Ed. Tanach) says, "You shall count for yourselves--FROM THE MORROW (Nisan 16) OF THE REST DAY (Nisan 15), FROM THE DAY WHEN YOU BRING THE OMER OF THE WAVING (Nisan 16)--SEVEN WEEKS THEY SHALL BE COMPLETE. UNTIL THE MORROW OF THE SEVENTH WEEK (i.e., after the 49th day) you shall count, fifty days." That ends on Sivan 7, not a certain day of the week. All of the feast days are on fixed calendar dates, not on any certain day of the week. I think Pentecost is obscure because it IS the day of the Rapture.

De. 16:9,10 (KJV) says, "Seven WEEKS shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven WEEKS from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn. And thou shalt keep the FEAST OF WEEKS unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee".

De. 16:9,10 (Stone Ed. Tanach) says, "You shall count seven WEEKS for yourselves; from when the sickle is first put to the standing crop shall you begin counting seven WEEKS. Then you shall observe the festival of Shavuos" (Pentecost).

There are 7 weeks, and since they start on the DAY AFTER Firstfruits (Nisan 17) they are not tied to any certain day of the week. If Firstfruits (Nisan 16) is on Sunday, as it was in 30 AD, Pentecost is on Monday, Sivan 7.

> > Remembering that the Pessach Sacrifice was brought on the end of the 14th of Nissan at twilight (cf. Ex 12,18; Dt 16,4), the following morning is the morning of the 15th

The following morning was the morning of Nisan 14. He forgot that the death angel came at midnight, 6 hours after Nisan 14 began. Six hours after that was the morning of Nisan 14. There are 24 hours to Nisan 14. There are 12 hours of night then 12 hours of day. Nisan 15 did not start until after Nisan 14's 12 hours of day had passed. He actually dropped one whole day (Nisan 14) from his calculations. The sacrifice at twilight of Nisan 14, he put at twilight of Nisan 15. It is a common mistake when one is used to thinking that night follows the day. The night precedes the day in Hebrew days.

De. 16:4 (Stone Ed. Tanach) says, "No leaven of yours shall be seen throughout your boundary for seven days, nor shall any of THE FLESH THAT YOU SLAUGHTER ON THE AFTERNOON (NISAN 13) BEFORE THE FIRST DAY (i.e., before Nisan 14 starts at 6 PM) remain overnight until morning" (of Nisan 14).

> > Like Shavuot, the exact date of the Revelation of Sinai is not specified,and it is tempting to connect the two. However, it is important to remember that the connection between the two events is never made in the Tanach

We can figure out from Scripture that Moses went up to God on Sivan 7. Ex. 24:15-18 (KJV) says, "Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it SIX DAYS (Sivan 1-6): and the SEVENTH DAY (Sivan 7) he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights."

Ex. 24:15 (Stone Ed. Tanach) says, "Moses ascended the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain. The glory of HASHEM rested upon Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it for a SIX-DAY period (Sivan 1-6). He called to Moses on the SEVENTH DAY (Sivan 7) from the midst of the cloud."

I think that when Moses went up on Sivan 7, it was a type of our Pre-Trib Rapture on Sivan 7. Moses being up there for 40 days and 40 nights parallels the 40 days and 40 nights of rain in Noah's Day. Jesus showed us that the Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Agape

THE DISCOVERY OF SATURN

(Dates of prior spacecraft visits to Saturn)
http://vesuvius.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/saturn.html

...Three American spacecraft have visited Saturn. (Make that four. Cassini is orbiting Saturn now.) Pioneer 11 sped by the planet and its moon Titan in September 1979, returning the first close-up images. Voyager 1 followed in November 1980, sending back breathtaking photographs that revealed for the first time the complexities of Saturn's ring system and moons. Voyager 2 flew by the planet and its moons in August 1981....

My comment: Compare these sky charts in which Saturn was in Gemini on Sivan 7

The first is on May 29, 30 AD, Pentecost, when the Church was born into the earthly world. The 2nd is June 14, 2005, Pentecost, when the Church might be born into the heavenly world. Remember that the sign Gemini was assigned to the Hebrew month of Sivan.

Saturn was also in Gemini on Oct. 4, BC 2387 (Cheshvan 17), WHEN NOAH ENTERED THE ARK. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah too (Mt. 24:37).

(1) May 29, 30 AD (Sivan 7), Pentecost.

(2) June 14, 2005 (Sivan 7), Pentecost, when I hope the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place.

"A Look at Tsunami From a Biblical Perspective"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2005/deborah14-2.htm

...The answer of the Bible is that those who suffer or die because of natural disasters are NOT necessarily singled out by God as deserving special punishment. Jesus refuted this fallacious reasoning by explaining that those eighteen persons who were killed by the collapse of Siloam's tower, were no worse offenders than the rest of the people in Jerusalem (Luke 13:4). That tragedy, however, was to bring home the important lesson that "unless you repent you will all likewise perish" (Luke 13:5)....

Through natural disasters like Tsunami God is calling upon unbelievers to repent and upon believers to live holy and godly lives while "waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God" (2 Pet 3:11-12). Let us take to heart the prophetic implications of this Tsunami.

My comment

Very few animals died in the tsunami. Maybe God warned the animals to flee to higher ground. After all, he caused the animals to come to Noah in pairs to board the Ark.

Incoming email, Re: CNN.com - NASA can't wait to smash spacecraft - Jan 1, 2005.htm

From the news article
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/01/01/comet.buster.ap/index.html

my imagination just runs away to all kinds of possible scenarios being played out by finite man "messing with God's divine order". The article is sort of like man messing with the human gnome. The arrogance of finite man "playing god" is frighting. I know your thoughts on a chunk of Rahab hitting earth, but can't you also imagine for a moment God allowing man's arrogance in an attempt to blast away a comet that actually changes the oribt a bit, a bit enough to hit earth during God's Wrath? What an irony that would be! Maybe even earlier mankind can even get a fore taste of Wormwood. There are too many possibilities. Whew! My spirit cries out to the LORD to "Come quickly" least the craftyness of men destroys us all. We can give thanks for His Word in knowing the conclusion to man's finite madness beyond God's infinite will. P.S. Your recent update to your Home Page and outlook into 2005 gives great Hope to God's Plan for man and His promises of redemption and restitution to those who choose to walk WITH God. Looking towards Him as we grow in grace and in the knowledge of our LORD (YHWH) and Savior, Jesus, The Christ To Him be the glory both NOW and FOR EVER.
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NASA can't wait to smash spacecraft

CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AP) -- The big, grown-up boys on the NASA team can hardly wait. Next Fourth of July, they get to bust up a comet, Hollywood-style.

"Blow things up? I'm there. Yeah, I don't have any issue with that," says Richard Grammier, manager of the project for Jet Propulsion Laboratory. (And, oh yeah, he used to work with explosives in the military.)

The spacecraft is called Deep Impact just like the 1998 movie about a comet headed straight for Earth. NASA's goal is to collide a part of the spacecraft called the "impactor" with Comet Tempel 1. Scientists expect the collision to blast a crater into the comet to analyze the ice, dust and other primordial stuff hurled out of the pit.

Mission planners say the energy produced will be like 4.5 tons of TNT going off -- producing a fireworks display for the world's observatories....

My reply

> > "It would be like it's standing in the middle of the road and this huge semi coming down at it at 23,000 mph, you know, just bam!" Grammier says.

Ouch! That seems enough to change the orbit. Do they have to know more about comets that badly?

Rev. 11:18 says, "the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel), and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH."

Zech. 5:3,4 says, "This (the rolling thing that is twice a long as wide) is THE CURSE THAT GOETH FORTH OVER THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it (prefigured by the 2 stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them that Moses smashed). I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, 2nd son of perdition), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

Isa. 28:7-21 says, "they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; THE PRIEST (Tribulation Pope, The Beast) and THE PROPHET (False Prophet) have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment....But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken....Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with DEATH (the Beast), and with HELL (the False Prophet, Rev. 6:8) are we at agreement; when THE OVERFLOWING SCOURGE (tsunami) shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves...Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and THE WATERS SHALL OVERFLOW THE HIDING PLACE. AND YOUR COVENANT WITH DEATH (the False Prophet) shall be disannulled, and your AGREEMENT WITH HELL (i.e.,Satan, Rev. 6:8) shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge (tsunami) shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for MORNING BY MORNING SHALL IT PASS OVER, BY DAY AND BY NIGHT: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report....the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act."

Rev. 8:8-12 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (into the Mediterranean at noon, Zeph. 2:3-5): and the third part of the sea became blood...And the third angel sounded, and THERE FELL A GREAT STAR FROM HEAVEN, BURNING AS IT WERE A LAMP, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened (by the impact blasts), and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."

Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD MAKETH THE EARTH EMPTY, and maketh it waste, AND TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." No wonder there will be tsunamis. The oceans will overflow the hiding places.

Rev. 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great millstone, and CAST IT INTO THE SEA, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Because of the SIGN OF TSUNAMIS that struck the Indian Ocean on Dec. 26, 2004, the asteroid or comet piece may strike the Indian Ocean. However, it might strike the Persian Gulf. We had a previous SIGN OF METEORITE IMPACT in the Mediterranean. A meteorite exploded with great force above the Mediterranean Sea.

"OBSERVATIONS ON ASTRONOMICAL COLLISIONS AND GLOBAL MASS EXTINCTION"

http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/October/from_the_lab.htm

"The summer of 2002 saw two atomic powers face-off. Pakistan and India exchanged gun and canon fire over contested Kashmir and both countries waved the nuclear saber. During those crucial times, U.S. satellites detected an ATMOSPHERIC EXPLOSION OF A METEOR producing some 12 kilotons (the atomic bomb dropped over Hiroshima contained 15-kiloltons) of kinetic energy OVER THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA."

My outgoing email

< < How long is a generation?

At first, I thought it was 40 years, but knew that Mt. 1:17 worked out to 48.3 years. Faced with a choice, I wrote Hal Lindsey and asked him why he thought a generation was 40 years. He said that it was because of Israel's wandering in the wilderness for 40 years while one generation died off. I went along with that and decided that the Rapture would probably take place on Pentecost in 1998, the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of Eden. The year 5758 (1997/1998) was marked as the 480th year in what I call the Modern Parallels, so it was easy to think that was the year of the Rapture. It wasn't. The Tribulation didn't start on Pentecost in 2001, either.

Therefore, I considered the 48th year since the 1967 Six Day War, the Sign of the End of the Age. This way, all the end-time events should take place before 2015.

The 40-year generation would end with the Jewish Leap Year 5768 (2007/2008). The last year has to be a leap year, because there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between Tishri 1 (Day of God's Wrath) and the following Nisan 1 (Second Advent). Since we have run out of time for 5768 to be the last year, I went to the very next leap year, 5771. Tishri 1 is Sept. 9, 2010, and Nisan 1 is April 5, 2011.

I added 7 good years (as when Joseph was in Egypt) to 5758 (1997/1998) and got 5765 (2004/2005). I'm hoping the Rapture will be on Pentecost, 5765. It is kept on two days, Sivan 6 and 7 (June 13 and 14, 2005). The Tribulation would fulfill the 7 bad years.

When I expected the Rapture in 1998 and the beginning of the Tribulation in 2001, I thought the parable of the barren fig tree (Israel) in Luke 13:6-9 would fit between those two dates. Now, I see another way it could play out. In verse 6, the Lord "CAME and sought fruit thereon, and found none." This coming of Christ could be at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

"Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, THESE THREE YEARS I COME SEEKING FRUIT on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why combereth it the ground?" (v. 7). Those three years could be the first three years of the Tribulation. Verses 8 and 9 say, "And he answering said unto him, Lord, LET IT ALONE THIS YEAR ALSO, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then AFTER THAT thou shalt cut it down." This way, the decision to cut it down would be made after four years of the Tribulation have taken place. The False Prophet would already be in power.

It doesn't say that it will be cut down at the end of the fourth year. It will merely happen "AFTER THAT". This way, the Day of God's Wrath would be Sept. 9, 2010. That would be the day Gog's army attacks Israel, the mountain burning with fire of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea, and only 1/6th of Gog's army survive (Eze. 39:2-4). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Pre-Trib Rapture

I read about the pre-trib rapture on your site, and I too believe there will be two parts to the Rapture of the Church. I do have a question for you about the destruction of Damascus happening before the tribulation begins. If June 13,14 2005 were to be the date for the pre-trib rapture, there wound'nt be much time for events leading to, Damascus being no more.

I would appreciate hearing what you think. a brother in HIS NAME.

My reply

Isa. 17:1-3 says, "The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.The cities of Aroer (Amman, Jordan) are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts."

When will this take place? Verse 7 says, "At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel." It is the day that the Sign of the Son of Man is seen sitting on his throne in the sky on the Day of the Lord, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the day of destruction, the Day of God's Wrath. "the day of grief and of desperate sorrow" (v. 11). It is when Gog's army is stopped. Only 1/6th will survive (Eze. 39:2). Israel will bury the bodies during the 7 months prior to the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13).

Incoming email, Re: Looking for a King

Marilyn, check this article out. Israel is setting themselves up by getting ready for a King. The comments are amusing to say the least, but again, how sad it is to be blind.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1105418785934

Your updatd Home page and recent P/C are excellent! Tuesday, it is! Agape

Quake's Echo Raised Surface Around Globe

Wm. J. Beard

NY TIMES 1-13-05 - New studies of the giant earthquake that produced devastating tsunamis in the Indian Ocean show that its shock waves ricocheted around the globe for hours and lifted the earth's surface nearly an inch even half a world away.

Aster said that even in Ecuador, the shock wave displaced the Earth's surface more than two centimeters, or nearly an inch, but the movement was too slow to be perceptible to humans....

My reply

Thanks. This is a new development as far as I know. We need to watch him. Agape I gleaned a few more tidbits of information from 5 Doves site this morning: Agape Donna Danna (13 Jan 2004)
"SANHEDRIN SEEKS DAVID'S SCION AS KING"
...Rabbi Yosef Dayan from Psagot, known for his recent threats to place a death curse on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is said to be a leading candidate to become the "king of Israel."...

Hear ye, hear ye: Sanhedrin seeks David's scion as king
FULL STORY at:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1105418785934

Isn't it interesting that this Rabbi's last name of Dayan means "judge,"...
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http://www.malchut-israel.org/lishka.htm#yda which says "he is the author of Throne and Crown, a book aimed to promote the Reinstatement of the Kingship in Israel. Yosef Dayan is a member of the Senate of Lishkat HaGazit. He was born in Mexico City and came to Israel in 1968. He is a scholar who has published several volumes of the hugh enterprise Mikraot Gedolat Haketer, the new edition of the Tanach....

Note: I'm trying to get the right memory module, 128 SDRAM, Speed 100 MHz synchronous, 168 pin DIMM, for my HP Pavilion 8670C. I got KByte 128 MB SDRAM, PC 100/133, 168 pin module from Best Buys.The Performance tab would list 256 MB RAM, but would not use the new 128 module. When I returned it, the man looked it up on his computer and said that only HP made the correct module for the 8670C. I couldn't find one on their web site - Products.


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