Pro and Con 1182

Posted 2-10-05

Incoming email, Re: Postings

I think it's very interesting that you're having problems posting at this critical time in human history. Interference? Seems so to me. Technical; sure....but it's still interesting.

I had to go into Five Doves, backtrack through the last several days postings, find yours, use the reference there to find the most recent postings. That is if the most recent posting is February 7.

Thanks for all you. You're a real blessing to me. I look forward to the problem being fixed, and I know it must be very frustrating for you and all those who frequent your site. Meanwhile, I'll go through the door I've found through your posting on the Five Doves.

God bless you and Ed.

My Reply

I agree with your assessment of the situation. That is not the only reason, either. Other things keep cropping up to take my time. I even had to figure out how to get the thermostat adjusted to give us heat. We would go way too many hours without the furnace kicking on. Thank goodness for Honeywell's web site. That gave me the information I needed, but that was on the 8th page of my Google search. I found it about 3 AM. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Your site

I don't write very much just. I just stop by your site every now and then. Since I have not seen a very recent update I thought I would write and let you know I was thinking of you and that I will say a special prayer for you and your family. Thanks for your faithful service to the lord.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

At the present time, I can't get into my main site to upload. It says my password is wrong. In the meantime, you can read the latest Pro and Cons on the earthlink site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~mjagee1

Photo in the News: New View of Saturn's Blues

February 9, 2005—Striped by shadows of its rings, Saturn is a true- blue backdrop for the icy moon Mimas in this just-released image from NASA's Cassini spacecraft. As on Earth, a clear sky on Saturn is generally a blue sky, because the unclouded atmosphere scatters sunlight at bluer wavelengths.

Incoming email, Re: The Feast

With respect to John 5:1, the Feast and the man at the pool. (emphasis mine).

In the King James Version..........verse 1 says in part....."after this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem."

It gives 2 references to address what feast this was:

Deut 16:1
"Observe the month of Abib, and keep the Passover unto the Lord thy God".................

John 2:13
" And the Jew's Passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem".

Would this indicate it was, in fact, the Feast of Passover?

And I noticed the same phrase in both accounts......"and Jesus went up to Jerusalem". God Bless!

My reply

There were three feasts that required all males to go up to Jerusalem.

Ex. 23:14-17 says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. Thou shalt keep the feast of UNLEAVENED BREAD: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) And the FEAST OF HARVEST (Pentecost), the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the FEAST OF INGATHERING (Tabernacles), which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. THREE TIMES IN THE YEAR ALL THY MALES SHALL APPEAR BEFORE THE LORD GOD."

Ex. 34:18,22-24 says, "The FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt....And thou shalt observe the FEAST OF WEEKS, of the FIRSTFRUITS OF WHEAT HARVEST (Pentecost), and the FEAST OF INGATHERING (Tabernacles) at the year's end. THRICE IN THE YEAR SHALL ALL YOUR MEN CHILDREN APPEAR BEFORE THE LORD GOD, the God of Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when THOU SHALT GO UP (where the Lord would choose to cause his name name to dwell, De. 12:11; i.e., to Jerusalem) TO APPEAR BEFORE THE LORD THY GOD THRICE IN THE YEAR." Agape

Despite failing health, pope unlikely to retire

By MATTHEW SCHOFIELD, 2-4-05
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/10820403.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

ROME — Ten years after an assassin's bullet almost killed him in 1981, Pope John Paul II laid it in the crown of a statue of the Virgin Mary. The meaning was clear: He was thanking her for sparing his life so that he could continue the work of the church.

So how does a man who believes he was appointed to his job by God and saved for it by the Virgin Mary face the idea of retirement as his health fails? Simple. He doesn't, and for many, that's a growing issue, though perhaps more outside the church than inside....

Church law - Article 332 - allows the pope to retire, but it isn't often invoked. The last pope to retire from the job was Gregory XII, who stepped down in 1415 to reunite a divided church. He died two years later as the cardinal bishop of Porto.

There are also provisions for managing the church should the pope become incapacitated, but Vatican officials are unwilling to say what they are. Some reports say THE POPE HAS SIGNED A LETTER ALLOWING A NEW POPE TO BE CHOSEN IF HE BECOMES INCAPABLE OF CARRYING OUT HIS DUTIES.

John Paul II is the third longest serving pope in church history, and was the longest serving of the 20th century. Appointed in 1978, he's now in his 26th year. During that time, he's traveled more than any other pope, the equivalent of 27 times around the globe, and visited 100 counties....

Sharon, Abbas: This time it's for real

Herb Keinon, THE JERUSALEM POST Feb. 7, 2005
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1107769477616&p=1078027574097

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas pledged publicly in Sharm e-Sheikh Tuesday to put an end to four years of violence, and in a private meeting, EXPRESSED THEIR DETERMINATION TO MAKE THESE DECLARATIONS STICK THIS TIME.

"Today, in my meeting with Chairman Abbas, we agreed that all Palestinians will stop all acts of violence against all Israelis everywhere, and – in parallel – Israel will cease all its military activity against all Palestinians anywhere," Sharon declared, speaking in Hebrew at the end of the summit. "We hope that today we are starting a new period of hope."

His declaration came after that of Abbas, who stated in Arabic: "We have agreed... on an end to all acts of violence against Palestinians and Israelis, wherever they are."...

Addressing "our Palestinian neighbors," Sharon made clear that Israel has given up its dream of Greater Eretz Yisrael.

"I assure you that we have a genuine intention to respect your right to live independently and in dignity," he said. "I have already said that Israel has no desire to continue to govern over you and control your fate. We in Israel have had to awaken from our dreams, painfully; we are determined to overcome every obstacle that might stand in our path in order to realize the new chance that has been created." The Palestinians must also show the "strength and courage to compromise, abandon unrealistic dreams, subdue the forces that oppose peace and live in peace and mutual respect side by side with us," he continued....

"A new opportunity for peace is born today in the city of peace. Let's pledge to protect it," Abbas said....

MK Ran Cohen (Yahad) said Sharon had canceled the unilateral nature of the disengagement plan and turned it into a coordinated plan, a move he said would ensure its success....

"Diamond Planets" Hint at Dazzling Promise of Other Worlds

Stefan Lovgren, 2-9-05
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0208_050208_planets.html

Astronomers have spotted a disk of planet-building material around a planet-size star. Scientists are wondering what to call objects that might orbit such tiny stars—planets or moons? The universe beyond our solar system just got wilder. Astronomers meeting in Colorado this week said they have found a disk of planet-building material around a small, "failed star" called a brown dwarf. The discovery raises the possibility that there may be pint-size solar systems where planets orbit objects far smaller than our sun....

Debkafile, 2-9-05

While the Sharm summit achieved little more than a fragile, verbal ceasefire on the Palestinian- Israeli warfront, three Arab rulers opened ranks for the first time to an Israeli leader.

Mubarak, Sharon, Abdullah and Abu Mazen effectively founded the Middle East Club of Four....

This is best chance for peace for some years to come and we should all seize it - Rice in Paris on Israel-Palestinian ceasefire declaration at Sharm summit....

Abbas ignored requirement to dismantle terrorist groups and declared ceasefire represents Palestinian implementation of stage one of road map. He demanded to jump straight to final-status stage and Palestinian statehood....

The key to this unique event was embodied in President George W. Bush’s directive Thursday night, February 3, to secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, not to show up at the Middle East summit. The European Union followed her lead, as did Arab leaders who planned to attend like the King of Morocco, the emir of Qatar and the Tunisian president. Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, the newly-elected Palestinian Authority chairman, Mahmoud Abbas – Abu Mazen, Jordan’s King Abdullah and their beaming host, President Hosni Mubarak, were thus thrown together alone and confronted with the task of forging a form of accord

Reestablished Sanhedrin Convenes to Discuss Temple Mount

http://israelnationalnews.com/

Just one day before the summit in Sharm el-Sheikh, a different sort of meeting of the minds convened in Jerusalem ? the reestablished Sanhedrin convened to hold their monthly meeting....

Incoming email, Re: Also with you on 30AD

Nothing to be sorry about, as I said, 30AD is my FIRST choice for reasons as you stated and the calendars days of the week only seem to fit properly with a 30AD year for the crucifixion. Although, even here, with 30 AD, it looks as though the Nisan 1 day may need to be adjusted by one day to begin on the eve (6:00pm)(JDN 1732097.166) of Thursday and end the eve (6:00pm, JDN 1732098.166) of Friday. (This becomes a "legal" question as to precisely when the authorities could declare the beginning of the new month).

The reason for this is that the new Moon occurred near 19:29 (7:29pm) on Wednesday night (JDN 1732096.23, implying that it would have been impossible to see any crescent Moon that evening at or after sunset; therefore, pushing the beginning of Nisan 1 to the next evening (Thursday) when a crescent Moon would have been visible. It follows from this, then, that Nisan 15 would have occurred (begun at 6:00 pm) on Thursday evening when the Moon was Full at near 21:39 hrs (9:25pm)(JDN 1732111.309).

If the crucifixion took place earlier on that day which would still have been Nisan 14 (Thursday 9am-3pm), it will be of interest to you, I think, that the planet Saturn reached its highest point (transit near the zenith in Gemini) in the sky (at the meridian line and 80d altitude) at between 2:46-3:10pm (different software yields slightly different results)that afternoon which would correlate to about the moment when Christ uttered his last words as in Matthew 15:34, at the ninth hour (3:00pm). If the crucifixion occurred in 30AD near the Passover, this would have placed Saturn (heaven?) at the zenith position each day of the week around 3:00 pm (the ninth hour) during Passover week ! This relationship > would have only worked (Saturn in Gemini at the zenith, 3:00pm) during the year 30 AD (not any other between 29-34 AD). Given that Saturn has an approximate 29.5 yr. cycle, the circumstances would have been met previously during the Passover of 1BC ( JDN 1721156, about April 8, Thursday) when Saturn was also in the "Stargate" position where the Galactic equator and the ecliptic cross (Gemini/Orion area) and the "king planet" Jupiter was in conjunction with, once again that most interesting star Zavijava (the gloriously beautiful), Virgo that I have mentioned in other messages. The year 1BC may have coincided with the year of the Magi's visit later around Dec 18-25, 1BC by some scholars calculations (EL Martin). At Rosh Hashanah that year, Sep. 17-19, 1 BC, the Sun was then in conjunction itself with Jupiter and they were very near Spica, Virgo and the planets Venus/Mercury were both surrounding Zubenelgenubi at the feet of Virgo, Saturn was still in Gemini and the new crescent Moon moved from near the Sun/Jupiter to near Venus/Mercury on those two days of the new year (Rosh Hashanah). No doubt, the Magi were well aware of these events and they may have been signs contributing to their journey of two-four months in the Fall time period to Jerusalem/Bethlehem, not to witness the birth (perhaps 9/11/3BC, EL Martin); but, to fulfill other elements of prophecy related to Kislev 24 (Hanukkah) and the future christian Dec. 25th celebration.

In time we will know for sure about all these events, timelines, etc.

My reply

> > the calendars days of the week only seem to fit properly with a 30AD

If you have the days of the week that would apply for Passion Week in 29-34 AD at hand, I'd appreciate it if you would send them to me.

> > If the crucifixion occurred in 30AD near the Passover, this would have placed Saturn (heaven?) at the zenith position each day of the week around 3:00 pm (the ninth hour) during Passover week! This relationship would have only worked (Saturn in Gemini at the zenith, 3:00pm) during the year 30 AD (not any other between 29-34 AD).

That's very interesting. Thanks. It reflects the extremely detailed planning that went into this before the world began. The more we look into it, the more we can appreciate that attention to detail. Agape

His reply, Re: Subject: Errors Creep In

In continuing my research, I noticed some errors on my part in the last msg. I sent you. I mentioned that EL Martin used the Dec., 1BC time frame as a possible Magi visit time, actually it was Dec., 2BC that he used. Perhaps it was your work that referenced the Dec., 1 BC year that I was thinking about. I'll have to check back on that; but, wanted to send you this update as soon as possible. The time and date relationship to *Kislev 24th (Hanukkah) fits better in the Dec. 24-25, 2 BC year than in Dec. 1 BC where Hanukkah falls on Dec. 10-11.

*See Haggai 2: for ref. to possible importance of the 9th month, 24th day in the past and future....

My Reply

> > *See Haggai 2: for ref. to possible importance of the 9th month, 24th day in the past and future.

Kislev 24 is so strongly emphasized, I keep wondering about its application. Do you have any ideas on this?

Hag. 2:18.19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD's temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

Rom. 11:17 says, "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree".Verse 24 says, "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?" Agape

His reply, Re: And another error

My apologies again, the reference to the "ninth hour" should have been Mark 15:34 not Matthew. Perhaps I need some rest ; but, time is short is it not?

My reply

Yes, time is short. Agape

"Vatican's No. 2 , Cardinal Sodano in Spotlight"

On Five Doves site: MJ Martin (5 Feb 2005)
"Vatican's No. 2 , Cardinal Sodano in Spotlight"

The Vatican's No. 2, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, spent more than two decades as a key behind-the-scenes churchman before the pontiff's poor health drew him increasingly into the public spotlight. The 77-year-old Italian, a seasoned diplomat whom the pope appointed Vatican secretary of state in 1991, is the prelate who steps in at the Holy See in John Paul's temporary absence while hospitalized. His name also figures among the "papabili," as the possible top contenders to be the next pontiff are called in Italian....

Temple Mount destruction stirred archaeologist to action

By Michael McCormack, 2-8-05
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=20094

..."This effort already yielded some scores of coins," he said. "We have coins from the 12th century, the 19th century, up to the first century B.C. We have some second-century B.C. Antonian coins. We have some Herodian coins."

Among the other things, the team found a Christian charm bearing the image of John the Baptist with an infant Jesus and the Jordan River in the background. They found an alabaster dish from the Persian Period and an ivory comb from the Second Temple period....

Incoming email, Re: Verse

Thanks, Marilyn. I think the verse I remembered reading from your book was the Neh. 10:35-36 one. But how would we know that was speaking of Pentecost? Or, do you think that verse may or may not refer to Pentecost? Thanks and God bless. dp

My reply

Here are some passages that mention bringing the firstborn of sons. The occasion sounds like Pentecost to me. See what you think. I think things pertaining to Pentecost are rather obscure, because it IS the date of the Rapture. We need to read the context carefully and put like passages together.

Neh 10:33-37 says, "For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, FOR THE SET FEASTS, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God. And we cast the lots among the priests, the Levites, and the people, for the wood offering, to bring it into the house of our God (Drywood Day is Av 15, Tu B' Av), after the houses of our fathers, at times appointed year by year, to burn upon the altar of the LORD our God, as it is written in the law: And TO BRING THE FIRSTFRUITS OF OUR GROUND (i.e., BARLEY ON THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS, AND WHEAT ON PENTECOST), and the firstfruits of all fruit of all trees, year by year, UNTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD: ALSO THE FIRSTBORN OF OUR SONS, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, TO BRING TO THE HOUSE OF OUR GOD, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God: And that we should bring the FIRSTFRUITS OF OUR DOUGH (i.e., THE WAVE LOAVES ON PENTECOST), and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, TO THE CHAMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF OUR GOD; AND THE TITHES OF OUR GROUND unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage." Ex. 34:20-26 says, "But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. ALL THE FIRSTBORN OF THEY SONS thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest. And thou shalt observe THE FEAST OF WEEKS (PENTECOST), OF THE FIRSTFRUITS OF WHEAT HARVEST, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. The FIRST OF THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THY LAND THOU SHALT BRING INTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD THY GOD."

Ex. 23:14-21 says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) And THE FEAST OF HARVEST (PENTECOST), THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THY LABOURS, WHICH THOU HAST SOWN IN THE FIELD (i.e., the field is the world): and the feast of ingathering (Tabernacles), which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of MY SACRIFICE (i.e., Jesus' crucifixion) remain until the morning. The FIRST OF THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THY LAND THOU SHALT BRING INTO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD THY GOD....Behold, I send an Angel (i.e., the Angel of the LORD, the pre-incarnate Christ) before thee, to keep thee in the way, and TO BRING THEE INTO THE PLACE WHICH I HAVE PREPARED (John 14:2). Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him" (YAHshua/Y'shua/Joshua/Jesus). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Lunar Eclipse 6/14/29AD

In researching astronomical events around 29-30 AD, I noted the following interesting event:

The Passover Full Moon of 30 AD, April 6 (JDN 1732111)(Crucifixion?) was preceeded by a total Lunar eclipse precisely 10 lunar months earlier (296 days) on June 14th, 29 AD. The eclipse occurred in the constellation of Sagittarius and was easily visible in Israel. The count of days from 6/14/29 to 6/14/2005 is 721,721 days or 1976 years and 6/14/2005 is also Flag Day in the US !

The not so subtle connections between the number 721721 and its divisor of 7 along with 1776 +200= 1976 and Flag Day. In 360 day prophetic years, 721721 is 2004.78 years which correlates to the year 2004 and Oct 11-12 (Columbus Day). I could branch off into other esoteric connections to Columba, Dove, Pope, Noah, Flood, Tsunami, 150 days (March 11th (311), etc. but won't go there today.

My reply

Thanks. That's interesting. I never thought to check for an eclipse on June 14, 29 AD. Agape

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