Pro and Con 1186

Updated 3-7-05

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Incoming email, Re: I'm Calendar challenged. I have no idea
Possible New Moons and Holy Days for 2005

This year there is uncertainty about the Jewish calendar. This year the Jewish calendar inserts a 2nd Adar before the spring, postponing the new year by one month. This would be fine if the state of the barley in the fields around Jerusalem is not in the “ABIB” (“green ears”) stage by early March. If the barley is “abib” (nearing the time for harvest), then the New Moon at the end of Adar begins the month of Abib (Nisan). If the barley is not yet “abib,” then the New Moon begins the 13th month called Adar II. This year there is a good chance the barley will be in the “abib” stage in March, but not necessarily – it all depends on the weather in Israel!

Nehemiah Gordon, a Karaite Jew living in Israel and publisher of the Karaite-korner Newsletter, informs us about the search for the abib barley this year. He writes...

”On March 10-11, 2005 volunteers from Israel and abroad will join forces to search out the earliest fields of Aviv Barley in the Land of Israel. If fields of Aviv-barley are found, the new biblical year will begin with the sighting of the New Moon on the evening of March 11, 2005, making Chag HaMatzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread) sunset March 25 until sunset April 1,2005. If we do not find fields of Aviv barley during the Aviv Expedition on March 10-11 then the new biblical year will not commence until a month later. Aviv Barley has been found as early as March 11 in previous years, so only a thorough Aviv Search will determine if we must wait a 13th Month until Chag HaMatzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread).”...

The following calendar is based on the abib barley being found in Israel during the abib search on March 11....

Projected Holy Days for 2005...Early Calendar.........Late Calendar

Passover Seder Evening.......Friday 25th March......Sunday, April 24

1st Day Unleavened Bread...Sabbath 26th March...Monday, April 25

Omer Count Begins................Sunday 27th March... .Tuesday, April 26

7th Day Unleavened Bread....Friday 1st April............Sunday, May 1

Pentecost..................................Sunday 15th May........Tuesday, June 14*

Trumpets...................................Tuesday 6th Sept........Thursday, October 6*

Atonement................................Thursday 15th Sept......Sabbath, October 15

1st Day Tabernacles...............Tuesday 20th Sept.......Thursday, October 20

8th Day (Shemini Azeret)........Tuesday 27th Sept.......Thursday, October27
Calendar Chaos and Confusion!

This coming year is going to be a year of great concern for those who are serious about obeying God. This is due to the fact that very likely the Jewish Calendar will be a whole month OFF in its determination of the Biblical months! This means that Passover, Pentecost, and all the annual Festivals will probably be observe a whole month LATE, according to the current Jewish Calendar! ...

Notice! God declares, “You shall bring the sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall raise the sheaf before the LORD, that you may find acceptance; on the day after the Sabbath [first holy day of Unleavened Bread] the priest shall raise it” (Lev.23:10-11, NRSV). Verse 14 continues, “You shall eat no bread or parched grain or fresh ears until that very day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a STATUTE FOREVER throughout your generations in all your settlements.”

How clear! The wave sheaf offering must be made from the first-fruits of the barley harvest, which is to begin from this point forward. The harvesting of the crop in Israel is to BEGIN with this special offering! To celebrate the month of Nisan one whole month into the barley harvest would be TOO LATE to fulfil these Biblical requirements! Therefore, very likely this year the Jewish months will be a whole month late!...

Josephus in Antiquities of the Jews says the Passover was sacrificed “in the sign of Aries,” the “Lamb,” at the season when Israel came out of Egypt. He wrote, “. . . On the fourteenth day of the lunar month, when the sun is in ARIES, (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians), the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which . . . was called the PASSOVER” (Ant., bk.3, 10, 5).

The sign of Aries begins March 21-22 and ends April 21-22. This coming year the Jewish Passover will fall on April 23 – one day outside of the sign of Aries! It will fall during the sign of Taurus, the “Bull” instead of Aries, the “Lamb” sign....

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UPDATED 3-7-05
At first, I said, "There is a good chance that Pentecost could actually fall on May 16, instead of June 14, 2005. Details on Pro and Con 1186," but I changed my mind. Adar II, the 13th month added in Hebrew Leap Years, seems to belong in the Jewish 5765. I went to YourSky
and set it for viewing from Jerusalem, showing Sun, Moon and Constellations, color: black on white background.

On March 25, 2005 (II Adar 14, 5765), the Sun will be in Pisces. The Sun symbol is hiding behind Venus in this picture.

On April 23, 2005, (Nisan 14, 5765), the Sun will be in Aries.

Josephus said that the Sun was in Aries on Nisan 14. and I knew from my studies that the Hebrew Sacred Year started when the Sun was in Aries. What led to the wrong conclusion, both on my part and by the authors of the article sent to me, was their statement that the Sun was in Aries from March 21,22 to April 21,22. That's not true today. It might be what astrologers say, but it is not in sync with reality.

Astrologers say one thing, without proof. Astronomers tell us something else, with proof. Either will tell us that these dates can vary 1-or 2 days. Even so, they don't match up.

ARIES - Astrologers, 3/21 - 4/20
Astronomers, 4/19 - 5/13

TAURUS - Astrologers, 4/21 - 5/20
Astronomers, 5/14 - 6/19

GEMINI - Astrologers, 5/21 - 6/20
Astronomers, 6/20 - 7/20

CANCER - Astrologers, 6/21 - 7/22
Astronomers, 7/21 - 8/9

LEO - Astrologers, 7/23 - 8/22
Astronomers, 8/10 - 9/15

VIRGO - Astrologers, 8/23 - 9/22
Astronomers, 9/16 - 10/30

LIBRA - Astrologers, 9/23 - 10/22
Astronomers, 10/31 - 11/22

SCORPIO - Astrologers, 10/23 - 11/21
Astronomers, 11/23 - 11/29

OPHIUCHUS - Astronomers only - 11/30 - 12/17

SAGITTARIUS - Astrologers, 11/22 - 12/21
Astronomers - 12/18 - 1/18

CAPRICORN - Astrologers, 12/22 - 1/20
Astronomers - 1/19 - 2/15

AQUARIUS - 1/21 - 2/19
Astronomers - 2/16 - 3/11

PISCES - 2/20 - 3/20
Astronomers - 3/12 - 4/18

The number of days the Sun is in each constellation varies, because the actual size of the constellations vary.

Incoming email, Re: Replies on the 7 months and Eze 39:12

Some thoughts on the 7 months and a "signs in the sky" picture for Sep. 2007.

> > Maybe the Tribulation runs for 7 more months, till Christ returns on the following Nisan 1, 5768 (April 5, 2011). Seven years from next Pentecost, Sivan 7, 5765, would be Sivan 7, 5772. That way the shortening would be from Nisan 1 to Sivan 7. That's not much time, just 66 days. It would be all of Nisan (30 days), all of Iyar (29 days), and 7 days of Sivan.
> > To me, the seven months (Eze. 39:12,13) when Israel buries the dead to cleanse the land for Christ's glorious return make it necessary that the final year be a Leap Year with 13 months. The Hebrew 5771 ( 2010/2011) is a Leap Year; 5772 (2011/2012) is not.

...I place this event between the beginning and middle of the Tribulation years and not at the end. Ezekiel 38:11 gives the best clue that IS is living in safety, which would not be the case if it were the end period of tribulation (last 3.5 years). This condition will, I think, exist a year or so after the covenant with antichrist is signed and there is a level of false peace throughout the world. IS will relax and the walls will come down setting them up for the invasion from the north Gog/Magog war. A timeline that perhaps fits in the coming years is about Sep. 20-23, 2007 (near Yom Kippur) to 7 months later about 4/17-20 (near Fast of the 1st Born and Passover (4/20) and a Julian calendar Palm Sunday 4/20 and Egyptian NY 4/21). This could relate to a dedication or re-dedication (if already rebuilt sooner) time of a new Temple after the 210 days (7 months) cleansing of the land from Sep 07-Apr 08) after the great battle and further convince the Jews that their G-D has saved them yet again. This god worship could turn out to be mis-directed toward the antichrist by many instead of the real G-D thus leading to the events of mid-tribulation in April 2009 when the new Temple is desecrated by the antichrist and the remnant Jews flee to Petra for the second half of the tribulation. My calendar software shows an Adar I,II in 5768 (Feb/Mar 2008) so that fits the 7 month pattern and I also note what looks like a very "powerful sign in the sky" astronomical pattern around Sep. 20-23, 2007 for the beginning of the Gog war (Ezekiel 39). This sky picture has the Sun conjunct with Zavijavi (the gloriously beautiful) in Virgo; Mercury conjunct with Spica, Virgo; Saturn conjunct with Regulus, Leo; Jupiter in Ophiuchus standing over Antares, Scorpius; Venus close to the head of Hydra below the feet of the Lion; and Mars between the horns of Taurus and near the stargate of Orion. This large number of intesting conjunctions will have been preceeded by a total Lunar eclipse (visible in IS) on 8/28 and a partial Solar eclipse (not visible in IS) on 9/11 in Leo very near the Zep Tepi point and a day before both Rosh Hashanah and Ramadan begin on Sep 12-13. Seems a very powerful "sky picture" for the power of G-D to be expressed to Gog and IS, just my thoughts.

> > How about the Cassini mission finding out that Saturn has blue skies in the northern hemisphere? That was a shock. They expected them to be yellow.

Yes, it is beautiful and amazing.

My reply

> > I place this event between the beginning and middle of the Tribulation years and not at the end.

I think the attack by Gog's army is the last straw. It brings on the Wrath of God.

Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:3-5); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth (it's the worldwide earthquake that destroys the cities of the nations (Rev. 16:19), shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground." Every wall falling means that all the buildings come down. This is the destruction of the cities of the nations, the day the towers fall. The towers in Babylon and the cities of the nations will fall when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. What brings God's fury up in his face is Gog's army attacking Israel.

After this, it takes Israel 7 months to cleanse the land for the glorious return of Christ (Eze. 39:12,13).

The Day of God's Wrath is the Day of the LORD that begins the Millennium. Zech. 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, as when he fought in the day of battle."

The day of battle refers to Joshua/Jesus's long day. Joshua 10:11 says, "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Wrath of the Lamb

The lead in to Eze 38:18-20 from say verses 8-11 seems to be specifically speaking of IS and their living in peace and safety before the attack. I don't see how this would be the situation in the 7 months to a year before the final battle and return of Christ when this would correlate to the period after the "abomination of desolation" and mid-point of the tribulation when the antichrist is in full control and pursuit of the remnant of IS and those converting believers. I don't see how this can relate to a time when people are living in "peace and safety".

Eze. 39:12-13 speaks of cleansing the land for the glory of G-D, it does not say for the immediate return of Christ.

The references in Chapter 38-39 (38:2, 39:1) speak of the "son of man" as the actor (just as Rev. 6:12-18); to me, this is the wrath of the Lamb while also are stated what the words of G-D were that were How is it that people in IS and travelers coming to IS are going to be able to cleanse the land under the conditions that would be prevalent as described in Rev. 8-9 and following. All of these disasters would seem to me to fit later into the tribulation period from the time after the cleansing of the land for perhaps 4 more years. Rev. 6:12-18 speaks of "the great day of his (Lamb) wrath" and there is a great earthquake in Rev. 6:12-14.

My reply

When the peace treaty is strengthened at the beginning of the Tribulation, the wall will probably come down. The attack by Gog's army is a sneak attack. While they are dwelling safely, he will blow in like a storm cloud.

Eze. 38:8,9 says, "After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years (1948 on) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and THEY SHALL DWELL SAFELY all of them (i.e., when they are dwelling safely). THOU SHALT ASCEND AND COME LIKE A STORM (i.e., blow in swiftly), thou shalt be LIKE A CLOUD to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee."

> > when the antichrist is in full control and pursuit of the remnant of IS

Not just Israel, it is the Messianic Jews he is after. Only they know their B'rit Hadashah (New Testament) well enough to run when it says to run. Rev. 12:17 says, "the dragon (Satan indwelling the False Prophet) was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." These Jewish Christians flee to Petra Mid-Trib, when Moses and Elijah are killed.

> > I don't see how this can relate to a time when people are living in "peace and safety"

Maybe you can when you read I Thess. 5:3. It says, "WHEN THEY SHALL SAY, PEACE AND SAFETY, THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." Gog's army attacks like a storm cloud blown in on the wind. This brings God's fury up in his face, and the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth to put an end to Gog's army.

Eze. 39:2-4 says, "I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured."

In Israel, the dead need to be buried to cleanse the land for the return of Christ.

> > Eze. 39:12-13 speaks of cleansing the land for the glory of G-D, it does not say for the immediate return of Christ.

But that's what it means. When will Christ come in glory? at the Second Advent.

Eze. 39:8-13 says, "Behold, it (Day of God's Wrath, Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1) is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day (the Day of the LORD) whereof I have spoken. And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years: So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS (Tishri 1 to Nisan 1 in a Jewish Leap Year) SHALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL BE BURYING OF THEM, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE GLORIFIED (i.e., Nisan 1, the day of the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Verses 20-22 says, "...saith the Lord GOD (Christ). And I will set MY GLORY among the heathen (i.e., on Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year), and all the heathen shall see MY JUDGMENT that I have executed (7 months ago, on Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year, Feast of Trumpets), and my hand that I have laid upon them. SO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD THEIR GOD FROM THAT DAY (Tishri 1) AND FORWARD."

Verse 29 says, "Neither will I hide my FACE any more from them: for I have (past tense) poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD."

He poured out the "Spirit of Christ" (Rom. 8:9) upon them on Pentecost in 30 AD. He will probably catch up the Bride of Christ on Pentecost in 2005. After the Second Advent, will he again pour out his spirit upon Israel on Pentecost?

After his return in "the first month, in the first day of the month" (i.e., on Nisan 1), they will "cleanse the sanctuary" (Eze. 45:18). "In the first month (Nisan), in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the PASSOVER" (v. 21). Verse 25 skips to Tabernacles on Tishri 15. Pentecost and Trumpets are left out.

Therefore, it looks like he will pour out of his spirit upon all the house of Israel on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, the same day they see his FACE, the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30). Isa. 66:8 says, "Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." She travails on the Day of God's Wrath. When she brings forth her children, each of them will have the Spirit of Christ poured out on them.

> > How is it that people in IS and travelers coming to IS are going to be able to cleanse the land

Eze. 39:13-15 says, "Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day (i.e., the Second Advent) that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search. And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog." Agape

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