Pro and Con 1188

Posted 3-21-05


Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness (symbolic language) of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of AMBER, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the waist or equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (the ring system) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness (symbolic language) of the glory of the LORD."



My computer had a terminal illness and died. I finally HAD to get a new one. My BIG THANKS! to all those that made it possible for me to buy a new one and to those that helped me in my fight to keep the old one running.

Before using System Recovery the first time, I backed up my programs, forgetting that I could download the updated HTML Editor and Direct FTP client from CoffeeCup, which I did later. I backed up my Web Site too, but lost my other files. I want to download e-sword next. It will sure be nice to be able to use it again with my HTML editor and Mailbox open.

I got my computer Wednesday. Today, my daughter called and said that she got a new computer Friday. Without knowing about it until today, we both chose the same computer. She got an expensive Surge Protector with a battery to prevent the kind of troubles she had with her old one. She figured that was good insurance against errors on her hard drive caused by power surges. I should probably do the same.

Incoming e-mail, Re: WORKING TOWARD THE "PEACE PRIZE": Jordan to host Nobel laureates' meeting

WASHINGTON (AFP) — His Majesty King Abdullah on Thursday announced that many of the world's greatest thinkers will gather in the ancient city of Petra in May for a conference of Nobel laureates.

Between 35 and 40 Nobel winners for chemistry, economics, literature, medicine, peace, physics and physiology will be invited to address the world's most pressing issues May 18-19, just ahead of the World Economic Forum summit in Jordan....

..."We should exploit the moral authority and the weight of the Arab world to revive the peace process with all its components in order to make the declaration of the Palestinian state and the restoration of the Syrian and Lebanese land lost in 1967 a tangible reality," Belkhadem said during the opening session of the foreign ministerial meeting.

Most members are likely to approve of the reworked Jordanian proposal, which now reiterates a Saudi Arabian-crafted statement endorsed at a 2002 summit that offered Israel normalization with Arab states in return for Arab territories - including East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights - as well as the creation of a Palestinian state and a solution for the refugees....

My outgoing email, Re: Solomon's temple construction

Yes. Solomon's temple construction began on Iyar 2. II Chron. 3:2 says, "he began to build in the second day of the second month, in the fourth year of his reign." I Kings 6:38 says, "in the eleventh year, in the month Bul (Cheshvan), which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it."

You pointed out that it was 7 years plus either 6 or 7 months, according to whether a Leap Year was involved. We can be sure that it was 6 months, because no 13th month is ever added between Iyar and Cheshvan. The 13th month is always Adar II, inserted between Adar I and Nisan.

I couldn't help but remember that, according to the Hebrew Calendar, Pentecost is in the 6th month of 2005. Sivan 7 is 6-14-2005. I think 1998 was the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of Eden. Seven years from the beginning of 1998 was January, 2005. Six months after that is June.

If this timing is applied to the completion of the church and our calendar, the Rapture would be in June, not May. I'm hoping for June 14, 2005, when the day of Pentecost is "fully come" (Acts 2:1).

BTW, Saturn will be in Gemini on May 16, but on June 14, 2005, Saturn, Venus and Mercury will all be in Gemini. I think Gemini is the Rapture sign and Saturn is Heaven. At the Rapture, the Lord will have "raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:6).

The Bride and Bridegroom "sit together in heavenly places" in Gemini. Having the real Heaven there at the time of the Rapture completes the picture drawn for us long ago by Seth and Enoch under the inspiration of God. That scenario seems perfect.

Here is some interesting Hebrew Calendar information from:

I had to go there in my efforts to rebuild my Favorites list.

"The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean time of the new Moon. Alignment with the solar year is better than the Julian calendar, but inferior to the Gregorian. The average length of a year is 365.2468 days compared to the actual solar tropical year (time from equinox to equinox) of 365.24219 days, so the calendar accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar year every 216 years."

I'm sticking with the Hebrew Calendar. Leaving out Adar II this year would upset its accuracy a whole lot. Also, the Sun wouldn't be in Aries on Passover, as Josephus told us it is. Agape

From Five Doves site: "UPDATE: Why The Antichrist Is Poised To Rise To Power In Lebanon"

Donna Danna (19 March 2005)

Please scroll way down the right side of the page called Why The Antichrist Is Poised To Rise To Power In Lebanon at to read this section called Are Incredible Bible Prophecies Poised To Begin A Dramatic Fulfillment? in the right hand column. (Note: Last analytical update on 3/18/2005)
Why The Antichrist Is Poised To Rise To Power In Lebanon!
By Frank Caw
Furthermore, after the Antichrist has achieved his amazing campaign of military conquests, the Bible predicts that he will deceive and destroy people (spiritually) through peace and prosperity (Dan. 8:25) BEFORE the pre-tribulation Rapture takes place!

In other words, the Antichrist generally will accomplish in very dramatic fashion what U.S. President George Bush had hoped to do, i.e., demolish the terrorist-supporting regimes and terrorist strongholds in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere, and then bring peace and security to the region.

We know for a certainty that the Antichrist will establish world peace and prosperity BEFORE the pre-trib Rapture occurs because several different biblical scriptures predict that the Rapture will usher in a period of death and destruction and tribulation that will not end until after the Battle of Armageddon is over.

Thus, the Antichrist will appear as a man endowed with satanic supernatural power BEFORE the pre-trib Rapture takes place even though he will not be possessed and indwelt by Satan and "revealed" as Satan incarnate until immediately AFTER the Rapture....
No Peace After The Rapture
By Frank Caw

Matthew 24:37-39
For as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall the coming of the Son of man be (i.e., at the Rapture). For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage (i.e., prosperity and peace and normal, everyday living) UNTIL the day that Noe entered the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the son of man be. (KJV)

Therefore, just as the world enjoyed a period of peace and prosperity until Noah entered his ark and the world was destroyed, so likewise will the world enjoy a period of peace and prosperity created by the Antichrist until Christians are Raptured, i.e., taken out of this world to their “heavenly ark of safety” just before the world is struck by a period of destruction and testing and judgment.

This is confirmed in Revelation 6 where, once again, we observe that peace and prosperity will be taken from ALL of the WORLD by the four horsemen, immediately after the pre-trib Rapture occurs. Obviously peace and prosperity would have to be existent throughout the world before they could be taken away, and I do not think anyone will argue seriously that we have peace and prosperity now.

Moreover, a charted survey of Revelation shows that not only will peace be taken from the world immediately after the pre-trib Rapture occurs, but that there will NEVER be any peace in the world after the Rapture occurs until Armageddon is over.

Accordingly, there must be a period of peace and security and prosperity throughout the world (Dan. 8:25), without any military conflict, before these passages can be fulfilled completely.

Likewise, the apostle Paul warned that there would be “peace and safety; THEN sudden destruction... as travail upon a woman with child.” (I Thess. 5:3). When analyzing this scriptural passage, we should observe first that Revelation 12 employs this very same symbolism of a woman travailing with child to describe the Rapture.

Then we should note also that the passage in I Thessalonians 5:3 states that the “sudden destruction” and “a woman travailing with child” occur together almost simultaneously. Thus, this passage clearly teaches that a period of peace and safety and security will prevail throughout the world UNTIL both the Rapture and “sudden destruction” take place at approximately the same point in time.

As further confirmation, Jesus warned Christians who would be living during the “last days” to pray they would be “accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things.” (Luke 21:36).

In this scriptural passage, the English word “escape” is translated from the Greek word EKPHEUGO, and it is defined by Strong’s Hebrew-Greek Dictionary in the following manner: “EKPHEUGO; to get free from, to get safely away from danger, to flee out of.” Furthermore, when Jesus said “all these things,” He was referring to all of the post-Rapture events He had just described in Luke 21:10-27.

Accordingly, to paraphrase the statements made by Jesus, He was warning Christians who would be living during the “last days” to pray that they would be “accounted worthy to escape or safely get away from all of the horrific things that will happen immediately before God’s Kingdom is established upon the earth.”

So, in light of all this scriptural evidence, we must conclude that peace and prosperity will prevail everywhere throughout the world UNTIL the Rapture ushers in a cataclysmic period of devastating destruction and tribulation.

My reply

I don't expect peace before the Rapture and sudden destruction until quite a while after the Rapture. 1Th 5:3 (WEB) says, "For when they are saying, "Peace and safety," then sudden destruction will come on them, like birth pains on a pregnant woman; and they will in no way escape." That destruction comes at the end of the reign of the False Prophet. Therefore, that peace and safety will take place during the last half of the Tribulation. Agape

My thoughts

I just downloaded e-Sword again and looked up Isa. 18:5. I think it is talking about the wise and foolish virgins. The wise are to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. The foolish are cut off, as in Luke 12:46.

Isa 18:5,6 (Darby) says, "For before the harvest, when the blossoming is over, and the flower becometh a ripening grape, HE SHALL BOTH CUT OFF THE SPRIGS WITH PRUNING-KNIVES, AND TAKE AWAY (i.e., rapture the wise virgins, having fruit) and cut down the branches (i.e., cut off the foolish virgins having no fruit). They shall be left together unto the mountain birds of prey, and to the beasts of the earth (i.e., during the Tribulation); and the birds of prey shall summer upon them (i.e., summer follows the spring Rapture), and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

The DRB says, "For before the harvest it was all flourishing, and it shall BUD WITHOUT PERFECT RIPENESS, and the sprigs thereof shall be cut off with pruning hooks: and what is left shall be cut away and shaken out. And they shall be left together to the birds of the mountains, and the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall be upon them ALL THE SUMMER, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

This suggests that the Rapture will be before June 21, when summer begins.

The Geneva Bible is interesting. Here is Isa. 18:5,6. "For afore the haruest when the floure is finished, and the fruite is riping in the floure, then he shall cut downe the branches with hookes, and SHALL TAKE AWAY, and cut off the boughes: And they SHALL BE LEFT together to the birds of the mountains, and the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall be upon them ALL THE SUMMER, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

Here is 2Th 2:3 in the Geneva Bible. "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction."

2 Thess. 2:3 (HNV) says, "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction."

2 Thess. 2:3 (WEB) says, "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction."

It is such a joy to be able to use e-Sword again with my HTML editor open. Thank you Lord.

From Five Doves site, "re: Ken Saylor Are you watching? Calendar Confusion"

Cindy Busch (21 March 2005)

Hi John,

Thanks again for your site. We are so close. I am so excited about the beginning of spring. I thought it so interesting that the FIRST minute into Spring is 2:34 Jerusalem time! WOW AND DOUBLE WOW! This has got to be significant.

God’s Blessings to You, Cindy Busch
Double WOW indeed!
Thanks for sharing, Cindy. John

I thought the same thing . . .but came to other possible conclusions when I read what Marilyn Agee had to say after a poster discussed the same things you did, you can see the entire post on her site at the link below. Apparently the sun has to be in Aries before the Hebrew Sacred Year starts. . .

This is what Marilyn Agee said. . . .

At first, I said, "There is a good chance that Pentecost could actually fall on May 16, instead of June 14, 2005. Details on Pro and Con 1186," but I changed my mind. Adar II, the 13th month added in Hebrew Leap Years, seems to belong in the Jewish 5765.

I went to YourSky

and set it for viewing from Jerusalem, showing Sun, Moon and Constellations, color: black on white background.

On March 25, 2005 (II Adar 14, 5765), the Sun will be in Pisces. The Sun symbol is hiding behind Venus in this picture.

On April 23, 2005, (Nisan 14, 5765), the Sun will be in Aries.

Josephus said that the Sun was in Aries on Nisan 14. and I knew from my studies that the Hebrew Sacred Year started when the Sun was in Aries. What led to the wrong conclusion, both on my part and by the authors of the article sent to me, was their statement that the Sun was in Aries from March 21,22 to April 21,22. That's not true today. It might be what astrologers say, but it is not in sync with reality.

Astrologers say one thing, without proof. Astronomers tell us something else, with proof. Either will tell us that these dates can vary 1-or 2 days. Even so, they don't match up.

ARIES - Astrologers, 3/21 - 4/20
Astronomers, 4/19 - 5/13

TAURUS - Astrologers, 4/21 - 5/20
Astronomers, 5/14 - 6/19

GEMINI - Astrologers, 5/21 - 6/20
Astronomers, 6/20 - 7/20

CANCER - Astrologers, 6/21 - 7/22
Astronomers, 7/21 - 8/9

LEO - Astrologers, 7/23 - 8/22
Astronomers, 8/10 - 9/15

VIRGO - Astrologers, 8/23 - 9/22
Astronomers, 9/16 - 10/30

LIBRA - Astrologers, 9/23 - 10/22
Astronomers, 10/31 - 11/22

SCORPIO - Astrologers, 10/23 - 11/21
Astronomers, 11/23 - 11/29

OPHIUCHUS - Astronomers only - 11/30 - 12/17

SAGITTARIUS - Astrologers, 11/22 - 12/21
Astronomers - 12/18 - 1/18

CAPRICORN - Astrologers, 12/22 - 1/20
Astronomers - 1/19 - 2/15

AQUARIUS - 1/21 - 2/19
Astronomers - 2/16 - 3/11

PISCES - 2/20 - 3/20
Astronomers - 3/12 - 4/18

The number of days the Sun is in each constellation varies, because the actual size of the constellations vary.

My reply

Cindy, I sure appreciate your list. Astrologers are off by about a month in every case.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Damascus

Okay, are you ready for this!? I just caught this a day this past week when reading Isaiah 17 {for you who are somewhat familiar with prophecy – Is. 17 is when Damascus gets completely “wiped out” ~ I tend to think NUCLEAR!!} I never noticed THIS particular “timing” of when this might happen until this very week.

Isaiah 17: 5It shall be as when the harvester gathers the grain, And reaps the heads with his arm; It shall be as he who gathers heads of grain In the Valley of Rephaim.

This could very well indicate the destruction of Damascus (Isaiah 17:1) ~ probably nuclear, that will utterly destroy the city ~ and this particular Scripture could well be saying that it will be in SPRING TIME when this happens -- during the wheat harvest season of Israel.

Interesting to note -- wheat harvest (which falls at Pentecost) is AFTER the barley harvest.

I've always thought that the rapture would happen BEFORE Isaiah 17 prophecy of Damascus getting blown up because Jesus says He will come as in the Days of Noah – when people are getting married, and having babies and building homes & planting their fields – in other words, when carrying on with life “as normal”. Would indeed the world be carrying on with life as normal if something as big & catastrophic as the destruction of an entire city wiped off the planet had just happened?? I tend to think not. Instead, they’d all be locked in their homes, watching CNN non-stop.

And another big reason I think the rapture will happen first is because Jesus says He will come when we (the world as a whole) are NOT looking for Him – but rather at a time when asleep at the wheel. Would the world be SLEEPING after a nuke bomb had just been used for the first time? I rather think prophecy shelves in Christian bookstores would be getting cleaned out should the Is. 17 war happen first. This is of course, my own speculation, but I’m just explaining why I personally think the rapture will happen first.

Rephaim itself is interesting:

Rephaim, Valley of

(Jos_15:8; Jos_18:16, R.V.). When David became king over all Israel, the Philistines, judging that he would now become their uncompromising enemy, made a sudden attack upon Hebron, compelling David to retire from it. He sought refuge in "the hold" at Adullam (2Sa_5:17-22), and the Philistines took up their position in the valley of Rephaim, on the west and south-west of Jerusalem. Thus all communication between Bethlehem and Jerusalem was intercepted. While David and his army were encamped here, there occurred that incident narrated in 2Sa_23:15-17. Having obtained divine direction, David led his army against the Philistines, and gained a complete victory over them. The scene of this victory was afterwards called Baalperazim (q.v.).

A second time, however, the Philistines rallied their forces in this valley (2Sa_5:22). Again warned by a divine oracle, David led his army to Gibeon, and attacked the Philistines from the south, inflicting on them another severe defeat, and chasing them with great slaughter to Gezer (q.v.). There David kept in check these enemies of Israel. This valley is now called el-Bukei'a.

Lofty menl; giants, (Gen_14:5; 2Sa_21:16, 2Sa_21:18, marg. A.V., Rapha, marg. R.V., Raphah; Deu_3:13, R.V.; A.V., "giants"). The aborigines of Palestine, afterwards conquered and dispossessed by the Canaanite tribes, are classed under this general title. They were known to the Moabites as Emim, i.e., "fearful", (Deu_2:11), and to the Ammonites as Zamzummim. Some of them found refuge among the Philistines, and were still existing in the days of David. We know nothing of their origin. They were not necessarily connected with the "giants" (R.V., "Nephilim") of Gen_6:4. (See GIANTS.)

My reply

How nice to be able to open e-sword with Mailbox open on my new computer. I downloaded 3 Bible programs yesterday and lots of Bibles.

Below is Isa. 17 in the Geneva Bible. My comments are in parentheses. I can't see this happening before the Rapture. To me, it has to be the Day of God's Wrath, the day Gog's army attacks Israel, and God's fury comes up in his face (Eze. 38:18-20).

"The burden of Damascus. Beholde, Damascus is taken away from being a citie, for it shall be a ruinous heape. The cities of Aroer (Amman, Jordan) shall be forsaken: they shall be for the flockes: for they shall lye there, and none shall make them afraide. The munition also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdome from Damascus, and the remnant of Aram (Syria) shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, sayeth the Lord of hostes. And in that day (the Day of God's Wrath) the glorie of Iaakob (Jacob) shall be impouerished, and the fatnes of his flesh shalbe made leane. And it shalbe as when the haruest man gathereth the corne, and reapeth the eares with his arme, and he shall be as he that gathereth the eares in the valley of Rephaim (giants). Yet a gathering of grapes shall be left in it, (The vintage is around Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, the date of the Day of God's Wrath) as the shaking of an oliue tree, two or three beries are in the top of the vpmost boughes, & foure or fiue in the hie branches of the fruite thereof, sayeth the Lord God of Israel. At that day shal a man looke to his maker, and his eyes shall looke to the holy one of Israel.

(This is the day the Sign of the Son of Man of Mt. 24:30 is seen.)

"And hee shall not looke to the altars, the workes of his owne hands, neither shall he looke to those thinges, which his owne fingers haue made, as groues and images. In that day shall the cities of their strength be as the forsaking of boughes & branches, which they did forsake, because of the children of Israel, and there shall be desolation.

(It is the Day of the LORD, the Day of the trumpet and alarm, the day of darkness and desolation.)

"Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy saluation, and hast not remembred the God of thy strength, therefore shalt thou set pleasant plantes, and shalt graffe strange vine branches: In the day shalt thou make thy plant to growe, and in the morning shalt thou make thy seede to florish: but the haruest shall be gone in the day of possession, and there shalbe desperate sorrowe.

(It is the Day of God's Wrath.)

"Ah, the multitude of many people, they shall make a sounde like the noyse of the sea: for the noyse of the people shall make a sounde like the noyse of mightie waters.

(This refers to Gog's army attacking Israel, Eze. 38. I can imagine the sound of many airplanes.)

"The people shall make a sounde like the noise of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee farre off (1/6th flee to Siberia, the rest will be dead, Eze. 39:2-5), and shalbe chased as the chaffe of the mountaines before the winde, and as a rolling thing before the whirlewinde.

(The "rolling thing" is the incoming asteroid that splits and becomes the "mountain" and "star" of Rev. 8:8 and 10.)

"And loe, in the euening there is trouble: but afore the morning it is gone. This is the portion of them that spoyle vs, and the lot of them that robbe vs."

The KJV says, "he is not." It may refer to Gog, the leader of "them that spoyle vs, and the lot of them that robbe vs."

The asteroid like "a great mountain burning with fire" will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5). I take it that the impact blast, the searing heat and fire, and the tsunami will have passed them before the following morning. No wonder Damascus will cease being a city. Even before the mountain burning with fire hits the Great Sea, a third of the trees and all green grass will be burned (Rev. 8:7). Eze 38:18-23 (Geneva) says, "At the same time also whe Gog shal come against the land of Israel, sayth the Lord God, my wrath shall arise in mine anger. For in mine indignation and in the fire of my wrath haue I spoken it: surely at that time there shalbe a great shaking in the land of Israel, So that the fishes of the sea, and the foules of the heauen, & the beasts of the field & al that moue & creepe vpo the earth, and al ye men that are vpo the earth, shal tremble at my presence, & the mountaines shalbe ouerthrowen, and the staires shall fall, and euery wall shall fall to the ground. For I will call for a sworde against him throughout all my mountaines, saith the Lorde God: euery mans sword shalbe against his brother. And I will pleade against him with pestilence, and with blood, and I will cause to raine vpon him and vpon his bands, and vpon the great people, that are with him, a sore raine, and hailestones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I be magnified, and sanctified, and knowen in the eyes (they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky) of many nations, & they shall knowe, that I am the Lord." AGAPE

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