Pro and Con 1192

Posted 3-31-05

Incoming e-mail, Re: May 5th

Oh Marilyn,!!! Thank You for putting up the info. re: May 5, '05. It rings true to me. Thank You for your insight on 'no one (except the Father) knew the day or hour of the Ascension.

After reading the info., I was led to look up the -5th book, 5th chapter, 5th verse. (Deuteronomy 5:5) This tells of Moses speaking to the people saying that they were afraid to 'go unto the mount with him'. Hey..I agree with you that Moses can indeed 'come down' to earth on May 5, '05. The next verse. Deut. 5:6 says that "I am the Lord God who brought you out of bondage in Egypt..."

Whew...just to think that we may 'go up' without fear on 5-5-05 and that indeed we will wonderfully be 'taken out of bondage'...forever and ever to be with the Lord!

Hallelujah..so wonderfully exciting!

My reply

I think Ascension Day is June 4, 2005. The present Official Hebrew Calendar is amazingly accurate in the long run. It is figured from the date of the astronomical New Moon of Tishri. In 216 years, it only accumulates an error of one day. Moving it up a month this year, because they found abib barley a month earlier is not enough reason to disturb the accuracy by a whole month.

When the Feast of Firstfruits rolls around on Nisan 16, that is when they need to have abib barley, not that Nisan 16 should be when they first find abib barley. That would make the calendar unreliable. The amount of rainfall and warm temperatures can cause an early spring. This should not be allowed to ruin the accuracy of the calendar.
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Calendar Converter
http://www.ugst.umd.edu/firstyearbook/calendar/
More about the Hebrew Calendar

"The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean time of the new Moon. Alignment with the solar year is better than the Julian calendar, but inferior to the Gregorian. The average length of a year is 365.2468 days compared to the actual solar tropical year (time from equinox to equinox) of 365.24219 days, so the calendar accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar year every 216 years."
Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:"BIRTH PAINS"

Arlene (30 March 2005)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2005/arlene330-2.htm

Birth pains are an interesting phenomena that maybe some men don't know about, but women sure do, and wonder why (or how?) they every got themselves into that one fine mess in the first place. All the ladies gather around and say, "now wait, they have to be evenly-spaced, like every half hour, then every 20 minutes, and then when they're 15 minutes apart, we'll call the hospital and get going........" (men are clueless and useless at this time, so we get the ladies around us....) Let's go back to last September, and see if the birthpains are evenly -spaced, such that we might be becoming a little concerned here:

Late September........massive hurricanes...........................+ 3 months =
December 26...........massive earthquake / tsunami.............+ 3 months =
March 28..............massive earthquake / small tsunami.......+ 3 months =
Late June?????

Above, we see the signs of Luke 21:25 (the sea and the waves roaring), SPACED EVENLY APART ! Oh, Lordie, here am I - don't forget me !

The sea roaring (hurricanes)
the waves roaring (tsunamis)

From the never-give-up club founder.....Arlene YSIC

My reply

Thank you, Arlene, for pointing this out. Agape

Science Unlocks Biblical Secrets

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/25/eveningnews/main683239.shtml (AP) "May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you." Rome - 3-25-05 ...In 1979, Barkay found two small silver scrolls in an ancient Israelite tomb on a Jerusalem hillside. On them were written the words of the prayer. "We have here the name of the Almighty as it appears in the Bible as it appeared to the Israelites," Barkay said. Barkay dated the scrolls to the 7th century B.C., which would make them the oldest existing evidence of biblical verse. They were corroded and cracked; the writing was difficult to read, raising doubts about the age of the scrolls. Now, a team of scientists and scholars from the United States has proven Barkay's theory was correct: that the scrolls are about 2,600 years old. That's 400 years older than the Dead Sea Scrolls. It took modern technology to prove their antiquity....

Another article on the James Ossuary

Cashbox
An ossuary supposedly linked to Jesus was a windfall for a Canadian museum. Now Israel has declared it a fake and jailed its promoter, and the museum has some explaining to do. JONATHON GATEHOUSE, 3-25-05
http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/religion/article.jsp?content=20050328_102756_102756

...Also on the list, although none of the defendants are specifically tied to it, is an inscribed pomegranate carved from a hippo's tooth that was long touted as the sole authentic relic of the First Temple, and which remains part of the Israel Museum's collection....

When the case goes to trial, perhaps as early as this spring, the prosecution may call as many as 124 witnesses, and enter hundreds of exhibits...

In the summer of 2003, Zias bought a copy of Shanks's book and finally saw a picture of the James ossuary. It seemed familiar, and eventually he remembered seeing the box in a Jerusalem dealer's store in the mid-'90s. Back then, he recalled, the inscription simply read, "James, son of Joseph." He went to the police with his story.

Zias doesn't blame the public for falling in love with the idea that the box could be connected to Jesus. He blames Shanks, his experts, and the ROM for rushing the ossuary into the spotlight. "Nietzsche said there are two different types of people in the world, those who want to know, and those who want to believe," he says. "For those who want to believe, it's James the Just. For those who know, it's a forgery."...

Still, for all the other charges, the item Golan spends most of his time talking about is the James ossuary. "It changed my life, not for the better,"...and says there's an old photograph of him and the ossuary that will come out at the trial....

My reply

The "pomegranate carved from a hippo's tooth" caught my eye. That's the first time I've heard what it was made of. I thought it was pottery.

Golan and Zias obviously don't agree on how long Golan had the ossuary. When I first heard this, I was surprised that Zias said it. He is the one that interpreted the inscription on Absalom's tomb that points to the father of John the Baptist. It makes me wonder how objective unbelieving Jews can be when something directly concerns Jesus.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Reply to Five doves posting

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2005/marilyna328.htm and also for your Pro and Con From: El Gato Grande

Hi:
This is enough to make any barn cat faint, Moving to the United nations or some huge international body to Baghdad ?? Iraq ? Have you any idea what kind of place that is ? Every few minutes there is a murder, kidnapping, beheading, blasts, car bombs, threats, total infrastructure failure, still under foreign occupation with a restless population, high insurgency, rated as the most dangerous city on earth by many aid agencies and organizations, teeming with criminals, without any stable government, without proper electricity, with high temperatures that can kill in summer, with a homogenous Islamic Arab Culture, a totally failed state just hanging on the thread because of U.S forces and with a angry population that wants all foreigners out and on the verge of Civil war that would take years and years to reconstruct.

Is that where you are suggesting the One world government moves? It is either a joke or sheer ignorance.

World events and prophecies are fulfilled based on current world conditions, its always been like that, it happens gradually, not in a day or two , let us suppose even if the rapture takes place this year, it would still take more than 10 years atleast before Iraq even stabilizes.

The Babylon, could either mean United states or Rome or Jerusalem, often it was termed symbolically.

It may at the most be European Union and Rome to where the OWG moves its seat of government, the UN may as well collapse or implode, leading to something more bigger.

The Threat of Yellow stone volcano being a super volcano and erupting and destroying America seems to be high, which can destroy UN along with it.

Either the diplomats are crazy or itís a total lie that they would even contemplate moving UN to a 3rd world and failed state such as Iraq, they may as well move it to Afghanistan and pitch tents there.

Second of all, Saturn being the 3rd Heaven what kind of blasphemy is this ? so what about Neptune, Pluto etc ? Manís probes have already gone as far as Pluto and beyond and captured photograph and detected nothing on Saturn, The Cassini Probe has already been sent to Saturn and picked up no unusual signals, itís a gaseous cold waste of a giant planet, nothing more nothing less, What kind of God would start living on a Giant Gaseous planet, with Enoch and Elijah and Jesus the 3 in flesh bodies, sitting and breathing toxic air ? with man made NASA probes flying by ? Doesnít look like the concept of Heaven that Jesus was talking about, a natural terrestrial planet or a gaseous giant, with asteroids rotating it, one planet in a small insignificant star system , out of the millions and trillions of stars or planets or ďmansionsĒ or whatever, why SATURN ? How do you know your Interpretation of the bible is true ? You seem to be the only person on earth I found saying this daft idea that Saturn is where God or Yahweh Lives, either His choice of residence is poor, or you are totally ignorant of what Saturn is.

Then NASA as might as build a powerful rocket, and send man or probes crashing into Saturn, right before Jesusís throne is it ? How easy it is then to reach heaven and Godís throne, build a space probe or go there directly. Jesus said clearly ďwhere I go you cannot come ď He can only bring us to heaven, not we go by ourselves, then how come Manís probes have already reached ďHeavenĒ or Saturn Ďs orbit or crashed into it ? can you explain ?

How come out of all the millions of Christians, only you seem to have this idea that Saturn is heaven, why hasnít God confirmed this through majority of Christians?
AGAPE, Trashbin Cat

My reply

> > Is that where you are suggesting the One world government moves?

No, not to Baghdad. I believe that the headquarters of both the One World Government and the World Church will be moved to the city of Babylon, Iraq. Concerning moving the World Church Headquarters, I believe that the "city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth" of Rev. 17:18 (Vatican City) will be moved to the city of Babylon, as we see in Rev. 18. That is where we are told that "a stone like a great millstone," will destroy the city. Rev. 8:11 tells us the name of the asteroid is Wormwood. It seems to be Satan's home base at present.

Isa. 22:16-18 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou (the False Prophet) hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (the asteroid Wormwood) Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."

This asteroid is "the curse that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth" (Zech. 5:3). Verse 4 says, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, the 2nd "son of perdition), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope that claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

Verses 10 and 11 tell us where the world church will be moved. "Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base." The foundation of the Tower of Babel is still there. That is where the Mystery Religion of Babylon started, and that is where it will end.

> > How come out of all the millions of Christians, only you seem to have this idea that Saturn is heaven, why hasnít God confirmed this through majority of Christians?

I don't know, but it took me many years to figure it out. When I would read verses that mentioned brightness round about (Eze. 1:27,29), or "a rainbow round about the throne" (Rev. 4:3), I would think of Saturn, but I'd say to myself, "Nah, that couldn't be. Then one day while writing my 3rd book, the chapter explaining Rev. 4 suddenly became a book, "Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star. It might have taken 6 or 7 months to write. That was startling in itself, for it had taken me 23 years to write my first book, Exit: 2007, the Secret of Secrets Revealed.

What finally cinched it was when I looked up sapphire in Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. It said that sapphire meant dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. When I read that, I whispered to myself, "Then it's true." That gave me goosebumps.

In Eze. 1, the cherubim are the four terrestrial planets. The Sun is the "fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it" (1:4). It is in the center of Ezekiel's vision of the heavens. Around the Sun, these 4 planets flew in concentric circles. Their orbits formed wheels within wheels. One of the cherubim was the Earth. Verse 15 says, "now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures (lively things), with his four faces" (facing in turn the 4 cardinal directions as they orbit). The faces were the same faces that were on the banners placed at the cardinal compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle.

Earth's wheel is its orbit. Therefore, the 4 cherubim represent the 4 terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. Outside of Mars orbit is a cloud of orbiting asteroids.

Over the heads, i.e., farther out in space, Christ's throne orbits. Verses 26-28 say, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (Christ's), as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE (meaning dear to the planet Saturn) stone (planet): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (the ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Both the rainbow and Saturn's rings are colored by sunlight shining on ice crystals. There are 7 rings around Saturn. Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch (Jesus). For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone (Saturn) are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). Heaven has a halo.

Ex. 24:10 (KJV) says, "they saw the God of Israel (Christ, Isa. 44:6): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., the heavenly body) in his (its) clearness."

Job 38:37,38 (LXX) says, "who is he that numbers the clouds in wisdom, and has BOWED THE HEAVEN...for it (Heaven) is spread out AS DUSTY EARTH (a cherubim, i.e., a planet), and I have cemented it as one hewn stone to another" (i.e., formed it by coalescence).

In Psa. 78:69 (KJV), we find out that the Lord "built HIS SANCTUARY like high palaces, LIKE THE EARTH" (a planet in this solar system).

Psa 89:36,37 says, "His seed (David's, i.e., Jesus) shall endure for ever, and HIS THRONE AS THE SUN (i.e., in this solar system) before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON (also in this solar system), and as a faithful witness (therefore visible to the naked eye) in heaven. Selah." Saturn is the outermost of the naked-eye planets known to the ancients.

> > The Babylon, could either mean United states or Rome or Jerusalem, often it was termed symbolically.

It has to mean literal Babylon, because it has never been so destroyed that no man will set foot there again. Jer. 50:12-15 says, "

Jer 50:10 And Chaldea shall be a spoil: all that spoil her shall be satisfied, saith the LORD.

Jer 50:11 says, "Because ye (Babylonians) were glad, because ye rejoiced, O ye destroyers of mine heritage (Israel), because ye are grown fat as the heifer at grass, and bellow as bulls; Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, THE HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS (Babylonia, Iraq) shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. BECAUSE OF THE WRATH OF THE LORD IT SHALL NOT BE INHABITED, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for IT IS THE VENGEANCE OF THE LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her."

At the present time, soldiers are billeted in Saddam's palace on the hill overlooking Babylon. After the wrath of God hits, Babylon will not be inhabited at all.

I spent 7 years reading man's books about the Bible from BIOLA's Seminary Collection without being able to find someone who knew what the cherubim of Gen. 3:24 and Eze. 1 and 10 represented. I told the Lord that he would have to show me, and that I wanted to understand all the deep things, everything that he wanted man to know.

After that, I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 in an otherwise darkened room. It says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

After that, I was able to figure it out. The first clue was that the Sun, the fire infolding itself, was in the middle of the concentric orbits, the wheels within wheels in Eze. 1. The second was that Earth was one of the cherubim (Eze. 1:15). What is Earth's wheel? its orbit.

Now, I understand Gen. 3:24. It says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (planets), and a flaming sword (Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (rotated as it orbited), to keep (guard) the way of (to) the tree of life" (which is in Heaven).

I'm telling you how I think literal Babylon will be destroyed. Whether you believe it or not is up to you.

> > The Cassini Probe has already been sent to Saturn and picked up no unusual signals, itís a gaseous cold waste of a giant planet, nothing more nothing less

You obviously missed the recent news about the hot doughnut found around Saturn.
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Prediction - Saturn's Surprises Will Point To Electrical Origins
By David Talbott
Thunderbolts.info, 12-29-4
http://www.rense.com/general61/pred.htm

"Voyager 2 also found an immense, hot doughnut of plasma encircling Saturn that is believed to be the hottest place in the solar system, 300 times hotter than the solar corona!"

More on Saturn and it's hotter-than-the-Sun torus

Saturn Controls a Giant Planetary System

http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Saturn/SaturnHistory.html

...Saturn's interior certainly is quite hot. The core temperature probably is 21,150įF. In fact, Saturn radiates more energy into space than it receives from the Sun.

Saturn's core may be rocky and about the size of the planet Earth....

The Similarities of the Planets (and Other Celestial Objects)

http://www.livingcosmos.com/celestial.htm#Saturn

Indicative of an internal heat source is the fact that Saturn radiates 2.4 times more heat than it absorbs from the Sun.

MIMI Engineering Technical Write-up

Dr. Stamatios M. Krimigis
http://mapsview.engin.umich.edu/data_descriptions/MIMI_instrument.php

MIMI Scientific Objectives:

To determine the global configuration and dynamics of hot plasma in the magnetosphere of Saturn.

NASA Cassini Captures First-Ever Photographs of Saturn's Radiation Belts

Source: Johns Hopkins University, 2-26-05
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=16242

Using an innovative camera on NASA's Cassini spacecraft, scientists have captured images of a radiation belt inside the rings of Saturn and have the clearest picture yet of the planet's giant magnetosphere, according to a mid-year report of the spacecraft published today in the journal Science.

The Cassini spacecraft entered Saturn's orbit in July 2004, kicking off a four-year study of the sixth planet from the sun. Among the 12 science instruments on the spacecraft is the Magnetospheric Imaging Instrument (MIMI) - developed by the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) - which scientists are using to study the energetic charged particle environment at Saturn and obtain images of the ringed planet's magnetosphere.

"Every time we fly a new instrument in space, it reveals new vistas of whatever object we happen to be studying," says Dr. Stamatios (Tom) Krimigis, principal investigator for the MIMI experiment, of APL.

This time, says Krimigis, the MIMI instrument has enabled scientists to

"visualize the invisible" - to "see" the plasma and radiation belts in Saturn's environment in an image; to discover that the belts are more intense on the night-side of the planet; that there is an unexpected radiation belt inward of the "D" ring, the fourth major ring closest to the tenuous upper atmosphere of the planet; and that there is a virtual soup of ions that derive from the dissociation of water, most likely due to radiation impacting the rings....

It also provides a global view of the energetic neutral emission of hot plasmas in the Saturnian magnetosphere, measuring the composition and velocities of those energetic neutrals for each image pixel.

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