Pro and Con 1196

Posted 4-13-05

My granddaughter, Brandi, asks for us to please pray for her friend Misty. Brandi was told that if Misty didn't get better, she might never be released from the hospital. That's SERIOUS. Misty lives in Riverside, CA.

Ringed planet Saturn is now at its best, high to the south around 9 p.m.

Astronomy Online
http://www.astronomynow.com/

Saturn's uniquely complex magnetosphere

SOUTHWEST RESEARCH INSTITUTE NEWS RELEASE, 2-24-05

Since the two Voyager spacecraft sped past Saturn nearly 25 years ago, scientists have marveled at its giant magnetosphere and the plasma -- a complex magnetized fluid of hot charged particles -- confined within it. Plasma trapped around Earth is a comparatively simple mix of ingredients drawn exclusively from the solar wind and the Earth's atmosphere -- our Moon contributes virtually nothing. In contrast, icy moons, rings, and the atmosphere of the giant moon Titan all contribute to Saturn's swirling plasma. Using new data from the Cassini mission, scientists are beginning to tease out the melange of ingredients and processes that contribute to the ringed planet's surprisingly complicated magnetosphere....

Tiberias dig unearths very rare marble floor

By Eli Ashkenazi
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/562531.html

A marble floor dating from the first century CE was unearthed during this season's excavations of ancient Tiberias....apparently a remnant of a pavement in the palace of Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great, who ruled the Galilee from 4 BCE to 38 CE.

"Marble from the first century CE was very rare in this area and is found only in royal palaces. Who knows, perhaps Salome danced for the king on this very floor," Hirschfeld said, referring to the New Testament story of the daughter of Herodias, Antipas' wife, who demanded the head of John the Baptist on a platter in exchange for the dance....

It also uncovered a street from the Roman-Byzantine period, mosaics, and coins bearing the image of Jesus.

Hebrew Calendar

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/H/He/Hebrew_calendar.htm

...The epoch of the modern Hebrew calendar began 1 Tishri AM 1 (AM = Anno Mundi = in the year of the world)...Julian calendar of Monday, October 7, 3761 BC....adding 3761 to a Gregorian year number will yield the Hebrew year number beginning in autumn (add 3760 for that ending in autumn). This holds until the Gregorian year 1 BC. After that (due to the lack of year 0), adding 3760 to the Gregorian year yields the Hebrew year beginning in autumn (3759 for that ending in autumn)....

Quick Facts about: rule of thumb
Karaites use the lunar month and the solar year, but determine when to add a leap month by observing barley, rather than a fixed calendar. This occasionally puts them a month out of sync with the rest of the Jews.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Ascension Day

The other person that asked about Ascension Day was me. I have been asking and studying about it, for 2 years. Since we know that "we shall be like Him," and He went to the Father on Ascension Day, most likely, we will also. And that fits the "10 days" up to Pentecost in Revelation 2:10. Pentecost, this year, may be for the Jews, since they did not accept Christ and recieve the Holy Spirit, on the first Pentecost. So the gospel was given to the Gentiles, the Church. If the Rapture happens on Ascension Day, that gives them 10 days before Pentecost, to believe, to hear with their ears, and see with their eyes, that Jesus is Lord and is the Messiah.

And, AS THE DAYS OF NOAH......Noah came out of the Ark on the 2nd month, 27th day (which was fall). But, God changed the calendar on Passover, when the Israelites came out of bondage in Egypt. He changed Nissan(7th month)to the First month in commemoration of Passover. The 2nd month, 27th day, on the changed (Sacred)calendar, is Iyar 26th/27th, which is Ascension Day, 10 days before Pentecost, 2005. On the calendar, before God changed it, the 2nd month, was Cheshvan. You pointed that out on your Possible Timetable of End Time Events. It could be Mid-trib, November 25, 2008, when Moses and Elijah are killed, and join us, on the original anniversary date, of leaving the Ark.

So we are going with Adar II, the 13th month? And the counting of the Omer starts April 25, 2005, the 16th day of Nissan? So Pentecost is Sivan 6/7th......June 13/14th, 2005? So Acension Day is June 4th/5th, 2005?

Anniversary of leaving the Ark, after l year, 10 days (as the days of Noah). He went in on the 2nd month, 17th day......and came out 2nd month, 27th day.

Anniversay of Ascension Day, 10 days before Pentecost.

This sounds like a most probable Rapture Date! What do you Think?

Holding fast to my profession of faith, praying and watching, always. Jesus is Lord.

My reply

Thanks for writing again.

> > Since we know that "we shall be like Him," and He went to the Father on Ascension Day, most likely, we will also. And that fits the "10 days" up to Pentecost in Revelation 2:10.

Ascension Day seems possible for the Rapture, but that way, I can't see how the 10 days between Ascension Day and Pentecost would end the tribulation of the church in Smyrna. Those 10 days might fit better if the Rapture was on Pentecost, and we got a warning on Ascension Day. Noah got a 7-day warning. We could even get a warning 10 days before Ascension Day. Keep watching. I'm glad we have the Internet.

> > Pentecost, this year, may be for the Jews, since they did not accept Christ and recieve the Holy Spirit, on the first Pentecost. So the gospel was given to the Gentiles, the Church.

Of course, the leaders and a large segment of the population did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, but I think the 120 that were assembled in the upper room were Jews. The church at Jerusalem that Jesus' brother James was bishop of surely was basically Jewish. As I understand it, the core of the early church was Jewish, then it spread to the world. Paul's teaching got that off to a good start. Also, "there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven" (Acts 2:5). They would have spread the news abroad too.

> > If the Rapture happens on Ascension Day, that gives them 10 days before Pentecost, to believe, to hear with their ears, and see with their eyes, that Jesus is Lord and is the Messiah.

The Lord never leaves himself without a witness. If the Rapture is on Ascension Day, 10 days later, on Pentecost, the Holy Spirit might come to empower left-behind believers that saw the Rapture take place. That would be a powerful incentive.

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up out of the miry pit), out of the miry clay (i.e., out of these bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings (at the Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG(sung by the saints in Heaven in Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

It's strange that there are 10 days between the dates when Noah entered and left the Ark. If I remember right, the total number of days Noah was on the Ark actually equalled one lunar year.

> > The 2nd month, 27th day, on the changed (Sacred) calendar, is Iyar 26th/27th, which is Ascension Day, 10 days before Pentecost, 2005.

It might be a clue, but I can't be sure. Since the civil calendar can be extrapolated backward, maybe the sacred calendar can be too. That could be why the month was not named.

> > So we are going with Adar II, the 13th month? And the counting of the Omer starts April 25, 2005, the 16th day of Nissan? So Pentecost is Sivan 6/7th......June 13/14th, 2005? So Acension Day is June 4th/5th, 2005?

I'm sticking to the Official Hebrew Calendar. To drop a whole month would destroy its amazing long-term accuracy. I start counting the Omer FROM Firstfruits, which is Nisan 16. The next day, Nisan 17 (April 26) is day one, Iyar 26 (June 4) is day 40 and Sivan 7 (June 14) is day 50. Each Hebrew day starts at 6 PM the preceding evening. So the dates on our calendar would be April 25/26 (Nisan 17), June 3/4 (Iyar 25/26, Ascension Day) and June 13/14 (Sivan 6/7, Pentecost).

Pentecost has good clues, and the Spirit of Christ did come down on Pentecost. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ. Rom 8:9 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

However, Ascension Day, has a clue that Pentecost does not. Acts 1:9-11 says, "while they beheld, he was TAKEN UP; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, TWO MEN (probably Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Moses and Elijah will come to prophesy during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation. I expect them to come at the Rapture.

I'm hoping for Ascension Day, but if the Rapture doesn't happen then, you know I'll be hoping for Pentecost. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Tribulation Pope

Thank you for your kind response. I agree with you that the Bible is the ultimate and only reliable source on prophecy and I believe God has placed people like yourself to help clarify and interpret it for others, such as myself. I am so thankful that you have been a faithful servant of God's word and I so look forward to reading your insightful pros and cons, especially in these last days. I've just finished reading Hal Lindsey's 4/2/05, commentary on the Pope and I was amazed at the first hand account reported by a former priest, Piers Compton in his book "The Broken Cross-The Hidden Hand of the Vatican." I did a search and was able to read excerpts from the book online, but it has been reported that the book is mysteriously out of circulation. If what has been reported so far about the Illuminati influence on the Vatican is true, I don't know how a future Pope would be raptured, especially since John Paul II had appointed the majority of the age eligible voting Cardinals. I think things are rapidly falling into place and think June 4th, could be a logical day, since the College of Cardinals begin choosing the new Pope on April 18th. Keep up the good work, I know your website is time consuming and has its demands, but there are readers out there that appreciate and pray for you. God Bless!

My reply

Thanks for your kind words and prayers in our behalf.

Have you read David Bey's "BROKEN CROSS: HIDDEN HAND IN THE VATICAN - BOOK REVIEW FOR THE COMING NEW WORLD ORDER"
http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1089.html

He ends up saying, "Today, it is very evident that Pope John Paul II is an Illuminist. We can see this concretely by his utilization of the bent cross. We can see this in his pronouncements of New Age agenda and his many global travels. We can even see this truth in recent writings of some New Age writers.

"The time for final implementation is very close."

John Paul II's holding up of the bent cross is bad enough, but his kissing of the Islamic Koran was a terrible thing to do. His replacement will certainly bear watching.

Rev. 13:6 says of the first beast, "HE OPENED HIS MOUTH IN BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN." I take it that those that dwell in heaven include the recently raptured Bride of Christ, and the first beast was obviously not raptured.

Continuing, verses 7-9 say, "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and POWER WAS GIVEN HIM OVER ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS. And ALL THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL WORSHIP HIM, WHOSE NAMES ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear."

One More Pope

THE POPE'S FUNERAL AND THE MALACHY PROPHECY
By Jon Christian Ryter, 4-8-05
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon85.htm

...Malachy...Most important of all of his prophesies was one concerning the succession of the Popes—from Pope Innocent II (who became pontiff in 1140) to the pope who will follow John Paul II—the last Catholic pontiff. According to his prophecy, the line of popes will end, abruptly, with the next pope. He was described in the prophesies of St. Malachy as Gloria Olivae (the glory of the olive). During his reign, peace will descend over the Mideast....

Most historians believe Roncalli fulfilled the Malachy Prophecy as the "mariner" through his tenure in Venice, the water city. However, prophetically, when he became the Archbishop of Palestine, he could be construed as being "an evangelical mariner" since the lands of the Gentiles and Muslims are prophetically referred to as "the sea."...

Incoming e-mail, Re: VISION GIVEN BY HOLY SPIRIT

I am writing to you by INSISTANCE from the HOLY SPIRIT. I have been shown a vision and HE is insisting I share this with you! In my vision I was shown the date April 5, 30 A D as the date for YAHSHUA'S crucifixion. I was then showed 3 days later on April 8, a sign from revelations 12......In the book of Revelations it states that Rev12: AND A GREAT SIGN WAS SEEN IN HEAVEN A WOMAN ARRAYED WITH THE SUN AND THE MOON UNDER HER FEET AND UPON HER HEAD A CROWN OF TWELVE STARS. Three days (April 8, 30 A.D.) would have been the true resurrection date according to this vision. April 8, 2005 we are supposed to have a solar eclipse-- (a woman arrayed with the sun and the moon under her feet) The vatican is supposed to bury Pope John Paul II on this date as well. The vatican portrays as one of their symbols a woman on top of a solar eclipsed moon with twelve stars on her head. Hmmmm! Shortly after this I was shown the child (I believe a symbol of the rapture) taken up to heaven to the throne of GOD!! I was awakened to the sound of humming in my head of the song "THE SAINTS GO MARCHING IN"!!!! Wow! I asked, "IS THAT YOU SINGING TO ME?" THE HOLY SPIRIT OF YAHSHUA STATED YES! I will give you a sign today while you are at lunch that this is ME!! I will show you by the dollars and cents. I pushed it out of my mind until I went to lunch and at the drive thru window after I paid, I was told by THE HOLY SPIRIT to look in my change compartment and in my hand at the same time. In my hand were 3 $1.00 bills---1.00 1.00 1.00 and in my change compartment were 3 dimes--.10.10.10 I knew then it was THE HOLY SPIRIT who had given me this vision!! No one has ever thought about the rapture-first fruits being on the original resurrection date as YAHSHUA'S original ressurection date. Everyone is looking for a modern date that matches first fruits, NOT THE ORIGINAL----!!! I don't know for sure the entire message of this vision but I was instructed to share it with you.! Love and blessings to you through YAHSHUA!! AGAPE

My reply

> > In my vision I was shown the date April 5, 30 A D as the date for YAHSHUA'S crucifixion. I was then showed 3 days later on April 8

Thanks for sending it. Before we believe anything like this, we should check it out, see how it tallies with the Bible and what we already know. I think the Crucifixion was Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, and the Resurrection was Sunday, April 9. Because of the difference in figuring by the Julian, which was in use then, and the Gregorian, which is used now, I could see a one-day change, IF the day of the week is still Thursday and Sunday. I feel sure that the Crucifixion was on Thursday, the preparation of the passover. Let's see how the rest checks out.

> > I was then showed 3 days later on April 8, a sign from revelations 12......In the book of Revelations it states that Rev12: AND A GREAT SIGN WAS SEEN IN HEAVEN A WOMAN ARRAYED WITH THE SUN AND THE MOON UNDER HER FEET AND UPON HER HEAD A CROWN OF TWELVE STARS.

Since I think this sign can ONLY take place on Tishri 1, the Jewish New Year in the fall, I can't swallow this part. Tishri is when Virgo is clothed with the Sun. Below is the sky on April 8, 2005. We can see that the Sun and Moon are getting closer together. Venus and Mercury are there too. The Dark Moon will pass in front of part of the Sun a little later in the day. However, the Sun is NOT in Virgo. It's in Pisces. This is the wrong month for Virgo to be clothed with the Sun....

Below is the sky on Tishri 1, Oct. 4, 2005. The Sun and Moon are both in Virgo, as are Mercury and Jupiter. However, the Moon isn't under Virgo's feet yet. For me, the vision doesn't stand up under close scrutiny. Agape

Incoming e-mail, RE: Jewish calender, ascension date

Thank you! I see that pentecost is 50 days from firstfruits, not from passover, so both pastors who I've heard explain why ascension day is eight days before pentecost were wrong. About the origin of the Jewish date of creation, I did some investigating, you might be interested in the details. There is a traditional Jewish chronology worked out, it gives the flood in 1657 (all dates are years from creation), the birth of Isaac in 2049, and the destruction of the first temple as 3339. Then they add 490 years to that, coming up with 3829 for the year of the destruction of the second temple, which was in 70AD. The website that I got this information acknowledges that there is a problem with this, namely it implies that the first temple was destroyed around 411BC, while reliable secular history puts the date at about 586BC. The 490 years comes from Daniel, but it looks like they start the count at the start of the Babylonian exile, and figure the "he shall be cut off" refers to 70AD instead of 30AD. Besides this, I see several other discrepencies between the chronology and that of Ussher or Anstein. Check out the website
http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Library/Article/Religion/biblical.tl
for more details. My main interest in researching this is to try to figure out what the earliest date of creation that is consistant with the Bible is, to see if the Day of the LORD could still be in the 6000th year from creation, as some commentary in the Talmud suggests. Thanks again and may the LORD bless you!

My reply

I went to the URL, and this is the way they get in trouble before they begin.

http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Library/Article/Religion/biblical.tl
> > > There are three methods of dating the beginning of the Creation era counting from the creation. They are:
1. Year 1 begins with the actual creation of the Universe.
2. Year "0" is the creation of the Universe, while we count year 1 from the creation of man
3. The dating of the years is based on the ages shown in the Torah, thus Adam's creation began Year 0 and Year 1 began on his first birthday. This method allows the calendar to be set up by just adding the ages we find in Bereishis....
..........................1.........2.........3
> > > Flood....1658....1657....1656

> > >"Rabbi Schwab stated that we use method 1 in our current calendar.

As I understand it, the child was called one year old during the entire first year of his life, two years old during the entire second year of this life, It seems that Adam was created on Elul 29, and God rested on Tishri 1, That is when year one began. It is when this "kosmos," orderly arrangement of things, began to operate on its own.

I wonder how can they can keep a straight face when they put the year when Seth was born as 132 when Gen. 5:3 says that he was born when Adam was 130 and thus arrive at 1658 for Noah's Flood. They know they are adding 2 years, because they give three dates for the Flood." It started on one day, Cheshvan 17 in 1656 AH.

The major chronologers agree that the Flood was in 1656 AH. Adam lived 930 years. Methuselah lived 969 years, and the Flood took place after he died. Adam and Methuselah's lives overlapped 243 years, making changes difficult.

Concerning Abram's birth in 2008 AH, in his "Syllabus on Bible Chronology" (1946), Dr. Ehlert, head librarian of BIOLA's library when I did my major study of man's works about the Bible in the 1960s, said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."

Speaking of the time from Adam to the death of Joseph, Dr Ehlert said, "The result arrived at is characterized by the accuracy and certainty of an exact science. It cannot be one year more. It cannot be one year less. This is so mathematically exact and so absolutely certain, that since Ussher proved that Terah was 130 when Abram was born, no chronologer, who accepts the text of the Old Testament, has ever made the period covered by the Book of Genesis from the Creation of Adam to the death of Joseph anything else but 2369 years. The only exception is R.G. Faussett, who supposes that Abraham left Haran, not as Scripture says, when his father Terah died, but after an interval of two years."

I have found that the Bible gives us ways of double checking our work as we go. For instance, Jude 14 says, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam." By that, we know that no names are left out up to Enoch.

Noah was born when Lamech was 182 (Gen. 5:28) in 1056 AH. Noah was 600 when the Flood came. That's 1656 AH, not 1658.

I don't put much stock in what they say on this web site.

You might want to take a look at my Old Testament Bible Chronology file at:
http://prophecycorner.com/agee/chron.html
You will see what I mean about Double Checks.

> > My main interest in researching this is to try to figure out what the earliest date of creation that is consistant with the Bible is, to see if the Day of the LORD could still be in the 6000th year from creation, as some commentary in the Talmud suggests.

I think 5758 (1997/1998) was the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of Eden. We probably started the 7 good years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, at that time. The 7 bad years are due to start soon. That makes the Rapture seem very close. Agape

Mammoth's remains found at homes' construction site

Fossil that stood 12 feet tall is far too ancient for carbon dating
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3126491

MOORPARK, CALIF. - The remarkably well-preserved remnants of an estimated half-million-year-old mammoth — including both tusks — were discovered at a new housing development in Southern California....

"It's considered a very significant find, and it's a very complete fossil. It's unusual because it was found all the way down near the bedrock," Harper said.

"We asked if carbon dating could be used and they said no way, it's too old," he added....

Moorpark in Ventura County is about 30 miles west-northwest of downtown Los Angeles....

Other Ice Age creatures have been found in recent years around Southern California, including a mastodon in Simi Valley, a mammoth in Oceanside and a pygmy mammoth on the Channel Islands....

My comment

I think the asteroid that dug the Pacific Basin did him in and buried him "near the bedrock".

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