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Posted 4-26-05

Incoming e-mail, Re: Passover

I can't remember my source, but some years ago I did read that the Samaritans celebrated Passover one day in advance of the Jews. Agape

My reply

Thanks. I searched on Google and found some interesting things.

The Samaritans keep two days, the day of the Passover SACRIFICE and the day of the Passover FEAST. April 22, 2005, the Samaritan Passover SACRIFICE, is NISAN 13, 5765 on the Jewish Calendar, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on the preparation of the Passover, Nisan 13. Their Passover FEAST starts on Nisan 14, April 23, and is celebrated 7 days, ending with their Feast of Unleavened Bread on April 29.

You know how you find things on the way to looking up something else. I also found some interesting information on an associated subject--between the evenings. (Emphasis is mine throughout.)
The Samaritans
Passover 2005

22/4/2005-The Passover Sacrifice
23-29/4 - The Seven days of the Passover
29/4/2004-The Feast of the Unleavened bread-The first pilgrimage of the year....
The Samaritan Update

...The Matzos of the Feast of Unleavened Bread

On the day BEFORE the Passover, THE 13TH DAY of the Samaritan Biblical year matzos (unleavened bread) is baked. The day prior, all leaven was cleaned from the houses....

Exodus 29:38-41 records the instructions God gave Moses regarding the daily sacrifices Israel was commanded to offer. Let's look at that injunction closely in A Literal Translation of the Bible by Jay Green, which is found beside the Hebrew text in The Interlinear Bible:

EXODUS 29:38 "And this is what you shall offer on the altar: TWO LAMBS DAILY, sons of a year; 39 the one lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the second lamb you shall offer BETWEEN THE EVENINGS [beyn ha'arbayim]. 40 And a tenth of fine flour anointed with beaten oil, a fourth of a hin, and a drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine, for the one lamb. 41 And you shall OFFER THE SECOND LAMB BETWEEN THE EVENINGS [beyn ha'arbayim]; you shall do it like the morning food offering and its drink offering, for a soothing fragrance, a fire offering to Jehovah." (A Literal Translation of the Bible)

The Israelites reckoned days from sunset to sunset. God makes it clear that Israel was to offer two lambs every day. The first lamb was sacrificed in the morning, and the second lamb was sacrificed "between the evenings." TO BE THE SECOND OFFERING OF THE DAY, THE LAMB SACRIFICED "BETWEEN THE EVENINGS" HAD TO BE SLAIN BEFORE SUNSET!...

Obviously beyn ha'arbayim must be a period during the daylight portion of the day. The Jews have always reckoned it to be from the decline of the sun after noon until the setting of the sun. Indeed, history shows that at the time of Messiah, the Jewish priests fulfilled God's command by offering the evening sacrifice between 2:30-3:30 in the afternoon.

Jewish scholars generally define the phrase beyn ha'arbayim to mean "the afternoon," as shown below:

at twilight Hebrew ben ha-'arbayim literally means "between the two settings." Rabbinic sources take this to mean "from noon on." According to Radak, the first "setting" occurs when the sun passes its zenith just after noon and the shadows begin to lengthen, and the second "setting" is the actual sunset. (p. 55, vol. 2, The Jewish Publication Society Torah Commentary, "Exodus")...

at dusk. Better, towards even (M. Friedlander); lit. 'between the two evenings'. According to the Talmud, the 'first evening' is the time in the afternoon when the heat of the sun begins to decrease, about 3 o'clock; and the 'second evening' commences with sunset. (p. 254, The Pentateuch and Haftorahs, ed. Dr. Joseph H. Hertz)...

The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus tells us that in the first century, before the destruction of the Temple, the Passover lambs were slaughtered "from the ninth hour till the eleventh" (6.9.3, The Wars of the Jews). This time corresponds to our 3:00-5:00 p.m. Obviously most of the Jews in Yeshua's day understood that "between the evenings" meant from the going down of the sun at noon until the setting of the sun at sunset....

To support their beliefs, those who teach that Passover falls totally on Nisan 14 allege that the Jews redefined beyn ha'arbayim to suit their own purposes sometime between Ezra and the appearance of Yeshua the Messiah. In taking this position, they are forced to reject all the available historical evidence and the inspired definition of "between the evenings" found in Exodus 29:38-41. They admit that the Jews were killing the Passover on the afternoon of Nisan 14 at the time of Yeshua, but they maintain that this practice was incorrect. These people further claim that YESHUA CORRECTLY OBSERVED PASSOVER ACCORDING TO THE SADDUCEAN METHOD, keeping it a day earlier than the Pharisees and rest of the Jewish nation....

Alfred Edersheim, a noted nineteenth-century Jewish scholar, has this to say about beyn ha'arbayim:

The lamb was to be killed on the eve of the 14th, or rather, as the phrase is, "between the two evenings" (Exod. 12:6, Lev. 23:5; Num. 9:3,5). According to the Samaritans, the Karaite Jews [eighth century A.D.], and many modern interpreters, this means between actual sunset and complete darkness (or, say, between six and seven P.M.); but from the contemporary testimony of Josephus (Jew. Wars, 6.423), and from the Talmudic authorities, there cannot be a doubt that at the time of our Lord, it was regarded as the interval between the sun's commencing to decline and his actual disappearance. This allows a sufficient period for the numerous lambs which had to be killed, and agrees with the traditional account that on the eve of the Passover the daily evening sacrifice was offered an hour, or, if it fell on a Friday, two hours, before the usual time. (p. 165, The Temple: Its Ministry and Services, updated ed.)...

Incoming e-mail

Could the resurrection of the dead in Christ preceed the rapture by 10 days? Then both the 4th and the 14th could work out. Agape.

My reply

Let's see. At first look, it seems possible. The word for "Then" in I Thess. 4:17 is not "tote," which means at the same time. It is "epeita" (thereafter, after that, then).

The fact that we will "all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" (I Cor. 15:51,52), makes it seem that everything happens quickly. However, I Cor. 15:51-53 takes plact at the "last trump" (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), not the first "trump of God" (the Pre-Trib Rapture). At the "last trump", all the saints will be made immortal in a moment. This includes Paul. He said, "we shall all be changed."

In Rev. 4:1, John heard "Come up hither" and "IMMEDIATELY" became in the spirit and was in Heaven. In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:10f, John literally said that he became "in the spirit on the Lord's day" (the 1st Day of the Son of Man, the Rapture, Luke 17:22-27). He was immediately in Heaven. Behind him, he heard Christ's voice. It was "a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying I am Alpha and Omega" (1:10,11). As he turned around to see "the voice", he saw the "seven golden candlesticks" that "are the seven churches" (1:12,20). In Christ's hand were "seven stars" that " are the angels of the seven churches." These star performers were still in Christ's hand, because he had just snatched them up.

In Luke 17:22-27 Jesus "said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN ( the first Rapture), and ye (a foolish virgin) shall not see it. And they shall say to you (in the Tribulation), See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in HIS DAY (i.e.,"on the Lord's day," Rev. 1:10). But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (plural, there are two Raptures) OF THE SON OF MAN. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." It began to rain the same day that the Lord shut Noah in the Ark. Gen. 7:11 says, "THE SAME DAY were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. The "SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed" (when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky after the 6th seal is broken).

Rev. 6:14-17 says, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" The Day of God's Wrath is also Christ's Coronation Day.

Isa. 34:1-10 gives us some more details of that day. It says, " Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon ALL NATIONS (i.e., the United Nations), and HIS FURY (as in Eze, 38:18) upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and THE HEAVENS SHALL BE ROLLED TOGETHER AS A SCROLL: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. For MY SWORD SHALL BE BATHED IN HEAVEN: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea (meaning red), and upon the people of my curse (including the Beast and False Prophet, Zech. 5:3,4), to judgment. The SWORD OF THE LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah (meaning sheepfold), and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. For it is the DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, AND THE YEAR OF RECOMPENCES FOR THE CONTROVERSY OF ZION (i.e., Jerusalem). And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

Rev. 11:17-19 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (in it are two stones that are now dumped on Earth): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Eze. 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of A THRONE, as the appearance of a sapphire (meaning dear to the planet Saturn) stone: and upon the likeness of the THRONE was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had BRIGHTNESS ROUND ABOUT (i.e., Saturn's ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (sunlight on ice crystals brings out the rainbow colors). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.."

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently (as in Rev. 3:10) for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up (at the first Rapture) also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up out of the earthen miry pit), out of the miry clay (out of these bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth (as in Rev. 5:9), even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Isa. 57:1,2 says, "merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (asaph, gathered, removed, evacuated, taken up, withdrawn) from the evil to come (in the Tribulation). He shall enter into peace (in Heaven): they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress (the Beast and the False Prophet), THE SEED of the alulterer and the whore."

Gen. 3:15 says, "I will put enmity between thee (Satan) and the woman, and between THY SEED (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) and her seed (Jesus); it (the woman's seed) shall bruise thy head (the 7th head of the great red dragon), and thou shalt bruise his (Jusus') heel" (i.e., at the Crucifixion). Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the IDOL SHEPHERD (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) that leaveth the flock (he goes to Babylon)! the sword (Sword of the Lord, the asteroid of Rev.8:8,10) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

On that day, "the SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace" (Jer. 12:12).

I don't see any evidence that the Rapture could be spread out over a 10-day period. To me, it looks like the first Day of the Son of Man is one day, and the second Day of the Son of Man is one day. The Rapture of the Tribulation saints will come during the night or morning of the Day of God's Wrath. The asteroids hit Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5). The saints must all be gone by that time. God's Wrath is only cast out on unbelievers.

At the Second Advent, every eye shall see Christ. There will be no unbelievers. At the Judgment of the Nations, how will they be judged to see whether they are sheep or goats? It looks like they are judged on how they treated the Jews (Mt. 25:31f). It will not seem good to be a Palestinian terrorist in that day. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: April 19th or 20th?

Was the new pope announced on the 19th or the 20th of April? In Jerusalem was it the 19th or the 20th according to the time there?

This is important, because Adolph Hitler's Birthday is on April 20th. Ratzinger is from Germany and there are allegations that he was a member of the Hitler Youth as a child. Pretty amazing coincidences. I'm looking up for Jesus Christ. Thanks again! Agape
I just answered my own question.

White smoke poured from the chimney atop the Sistine Chapel and the bells of St. Peter's pealed at 6:04 p.m. (12:04 p.m. EDT) to announce the conclave had produced a pope. Flag-waving pilgrims in St. Peter's Square chanted: "Viva il Papa!" or "Long live the pope!"

Does this mean that Benedict was installed on April 20th in Jerusalem?

Thank you and God Bless You

My reply

Jerusalem is 2 hours ahead of Greenwich time. Therefore, it would have been the 20th in Jerusalem when it was announced that the new Pope had been chosen. It's strange that it was Hitler's birthday. He was also a German Jew. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: New Pope 04-19-2005

The Pope was selects today 04-19. I was reading your website today and it mentioned that there is always a possibility that we could be raptured 10 days after the selection. That would mean 04-29. Does today's selection date change your opinion at all? Interesting that they choose a conservative German. First time since the 11 century.

My reply

Yes. Ascension Day is looking good. The 29th seems too soon. It's hard to figure out to what the 10 days apply. There are 10 days between Ascension Day and Pentecost though. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Jesus's fath? Dragon?

I love to read what you have to say.

1)....You keep bringing up the word Dragon or great red dragon. What if this dragon is not on earth? Like in the stars! The milky way has a dragon in it! Maybe the heads are in the stars and not on earth. Is there a star coming/here, one that is/was and the rest that have gone 2000 years ago?

As we have seen with the star of the cross it moves over time and one day will be back. So why not stars as heads that come and go with the one to come coming. So what star is coming soon or is just here?

2) thing over the years i have asked many people about different things in the great book and i say but he was Jewish but i never seem to have anyone saying yes or no to it. As if noone knows if Jesus was Jewish or not. No were does it say he was Jewish. "He was baryed as Jewish" or some like wording.

I do not think Jesus was Jewish! So what was he? Jews = Pharisees Judaism Pharisaism... Also jew Ashkenazi Khazav. I have read Sephardim and sephardic jew, so there are two different kinds of jew. one good and one not as some have said. Some say Jesus was Yahudi, Yahudah, Yahud, relgion of Yahudaism ( all the same thing I think ).

Some say Jesus was Juda, Judaios, Judah. Of whitch the word Juda was put into English as jew. Or Judean comes up also.

Some also say Jesus was "of israel" A faith and a group of people all in one that were not Jews! ......So why bring this up?

To get into the mind of Jesus we have to know what he was and in knowing what he was, we can know what he was talking about when he said things.

Each one of these faiths would be talking about a different thing with the same words!

In my mind so much now makes me understand more knowing Jesus was not a jew.

I have read that Jew did not come about intell about 1000BC. Did somehow people just say "people of israel" were jews. Is there any wording to say they were jews? I have read that jews were out to kill the "people of Israel". So are the Jews on Jesus last days that had him killed "people of israel" or Jews? Are the Jews today the "people of Israel or are they the old bad jews that wanted to kill the "people of Israel"? The word Jew now is all people of Israel now but is it really? is there still "people of Israel"? So is the 144,000 to go up going to be jews or are they going to be "people of Israel" or of just Jesus faith? So what faith was Jesus? I know this is a can of warms but 2000 years ago there was a lot of different faiths in Israel and now they all are called Jews. If we know the who of who maybe we can pinpoint the date more! We can make Jesus's word have more meaning knowing his faith!

My reply

> > Is there a star coming/here

Yes and no. An actual star isn't coming, but an asteroid is. Rev. 8:10,11 says, "the third angel sounded, and there fell a great STAR (aster; meaning star, ASTEROID or meteorite) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters. And the name of the star (asteroid) is Wormwood."

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (in a piece of his split-apart planet Rahab). Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

> > You keep bringing up the word Dragon or great red dragon. What if this dragon is not on earth?

The Dragon is Satan. He is not yet confined to the Earth. That happens Mid-Trib. The symbolic great red dragon is on Earth. It's heads are the rulers of Babel I, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome, Ecclesiastical Rome, and Babylon III. Read Rev. 17:9-11 and Daniel 2-8.

> > As if no one knows if Jesus was Jewish or not. No were does it say he was Jewish. "He was baryed as Jewish" or some like wording. I do not think Jesus was Jewish! So what was he?

A Jew. In John 4:22, Jesus told the Samaritan woman, "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS. In the strictest usage of the word, Jesus was a Jew, because he was a descendant of Judah (Mt. 1:2). He is called the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Rev 5:5 says, "one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." He is both YHWH, the Root of David, and Jesus, the offspring of David. In Rev. 22:16, Jesus said, "I am the root and the offspring of David."

Joh 4:9 says, "Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that THOU BEING A JEW, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans."

> > Some say Jesus was Yahudi, Yahudah, Yahud, relgion of Yahudaism

Jesus is YHWH (Yahweh) king of Israel and YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer. He is both the first (YHWH king of Israel) and the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer) (Isa. 44:6). He is both God and man. In Rev. 22, 13,16, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last....I am the root (i.e., Yahweh) AND the offspring of David."

> > So are the Jews on Jesus last days that had him killed "people of israel" or Jews?

All Jews are of Jacob, whose name God changed to Israel. So all Jews are Israelites. In Gen 32:28, God said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."

> > So is the 144,000 to go up going to be jews or are they going to be "people of Israel" or of just Jesus faith?

They are literally Israelites. Read Rev. 7:1-9.

> > So what faith was Jesus?

Jesus was a Jew and was raised as a Jew. He obeyed every jot and tittle of all the Old Testament laws. His sacrifice on the cross started the Christian faith. We believe in Jesus Christ and accept Him as our own personal Saviour. Do you? There is no other Saviour.

Read the New Testament, and you will understand these things. Matthew 1 starts out, "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat JUDAS" (Judah). Agape

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