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Incoming e-mail, Re: 6/4/5
Jesus made whole the man by the pool Bethesda.
John5:9 And immediately the man was made whole (like John immediately in the spirit), and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the Sabbath.
6/4/5 is a Sabbath
We may go immediately
We may take our beds up (and rest a little while)
We may walk and never tire
Just some thoughts. Thanks
Thanks for the reminder. This passage caught my eye too. When I first thought we should add 40 years to 1967, I thought 2007 would be the end of the shortened Tribulation. Someone mentioned the 38 years too, but I failed to catch on to its importance until now.
NOW I'M EXCITED! The Six-Day War began IYAR 26, 5727 (June 5, 1967). Adding the 38 years of John 5:5 brings us to IYAR 26, 5765. Here's the shocker. IYAR 26, 5765 IS JUNE 4, 2005, BOTH THE SABBATH AND ASCENSION DAY. Then the Six-Day War started on Ascension Day. WOW! To get that straight, I first had to figure out that Sivan 7 was the true Pentecost. Now it all comes together.
Rev. 3:3 says, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Turn it around. If we do watch, he will not come on us as a thief, and we will know the hour.
MAYBE WE CAN NOW KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR that no man knew when Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse just before the Crucifixion (Mt. 24:36).
HOW ABOUT THE MIDNIGHT WHEN JUNE 3 CHANGES TO JUNE 4? THAT IS THE MIDNIGHT OF IYAR 26, 5765. That date starts at 6 PM on June 3. Six hours later is the midnight of Iyar 26 and the beginning of June 4.
Thirty-eight years is mentioned two places, in De. 2:14 and John 5:5.
De. 2:14,24 says, "the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea (meaning holiness of the grain), until we were come over the brook Zered (meaning east), was THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them....RISE YE UP, TAKE YOUR JOURNEY, and pass over the river Arnon (swift)." When they broke camp, they would take up their beds and walk.
"RISE YE UP, TAKE YOUR JOURNEY" may symbolize the Rapture of the barley (i.e., the Bride of Christ) when the fields are white (John 4:35) with ripe grain on Ascension Day, a Sabbath.
John 5:5,8,9 says, "a certain man was there, which had an infirmity THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS....Jesus saith unto him, RISE, TAKE UP THY BED AND WALK. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the SABBATH."
"RISE, TAKE UP THY BED AND WALK" on the "SABBATH" may symbolize the Rapture of the Bride of Christ on the Sabbath. Psa. 149:5 says, "Let the saints by joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their BEDS."
Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5765, our June 4, 2005, will be on the Sabbath. Sivan 7, Pentecost, will be on Tuesday.
Jesus healed on the Sabbath several times. For instance, John 9:14 says, "it was the SABBATH day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes." The blind will see, and the crippled will walk, on the day of the Rapture. Agape
APOD: Saturn's moon Epimetheus taken from Cassini spacecraft
Small Moon Epimetheus
Credit: Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA
...co-orbiting Epimetheus and Janus both consist mostly of porous water ice and could have formed from the breakup of a single parent body. The small moons are also believed to play a role in maintaining the outer edge of Saturn's A ring.
Incoming e-mail, Re: Next Year in Jerusalem
Dear Friend and Faithful Teacher,
For the past seven years I have been blessed to read your website and glean from your thorough unfolding from the Word of God and other sources regarding the Rapture and other topics. You are indeed a blessing to the Body of Christ, particularly with your continual exhortation to examine the Scriptures first, as did the Bereans who "searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so." God has used you to teach and to exhort and to strengthen believers, as we patiently wait, "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
Last week our church celebrated Passover with a Seder conducted by a Messianic Jewish minister who showed us Jesus Christ in the Passover. It was a most enlightening experience, and it inspired a poem which incorporates elements of the Passover meal and takes its title from the phrase "Next year in Jerusalem" which is said at the end of the meal. I thought you would be blessed to receive a copy of the poem. "Next Year in Jerusalem" is now not just a possibility but a vivid reality, as the anticipation mounts as we move toward the approaching feast days beyond Passover. We shall see what we shall see, soon and very soon.
You are such a blessing, Lonnell Johnson
“Next Year in Jerusalem”
In the month of Nisan, the first month of the year,
We remember forever the first sacred feast
At Passover, ordained by God to celebrate
That Jehovah Jireh provides more than enough.
We taste bitter and sweet at the Seder table
And rise to proclaim, “Next year in Jerusalem.”
Chosen by God, given His name, Jerusalem,
The place where Passover brings great joy each new year.
First eaten in haste then at the Seder table,
The Lord God Himself sanctified this holy feast.
We partake of fruit of the vine and food enough
To remember the Lord’s goodness and celebrate.
Our hearts flow with thanksgiving as we celebrate,
While still praying for the peace of Jerusalem.
To know the love of God it would have been enough,
But great grace and peace fill our lives year after year.
God declared this to be a perpetual feast
And set in order the first Passover table.
In the wilderness the Lord prepared a table
That His people might know His love and celebrate
That the angel of death passed over with this feast.
So they began their journey toward Jerusalem,
Where they would come to observe Passover each year
When only an unblemished lamb would be enough.
To assemble ourselves for worship is enough.
In this place no leaven defiles the Lord’s table.
We eat the bread of affliction another year,
Recalling release from bondage to celebrate,
Yet yearning for Passover in Jerusalem
When in His kingdom we shall share this glorious feast.
With a new covenant Christ declared a new feast:
To eat the bread and drink the cup will be enough.
The peace of God shall seal the New Jerusalem
When God fulfills His kingdom at the Lord’s table
When angels gather His elect to celebrate
All the feasts of the Lord from year to endless year.
The Year of Jubilee shall be a holy feast
To celebrate God’s goodness with much more than enough
At the welcome table in New Jerusalem.
Thanks for the poem and your kind words. I hope we are on the home stretch now.
Will the Rapture come on Ascension Day or on Pentecost? The Passover is mentioned in John 2:23 and 6:4. In between, we find 4:35 and 5:1. John 4:35 says, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." Since barley can be white at harvest, this indicates the barley harvest. It begins on Firstfruits. I don't remember anywhere that says exactly when it ends. Could it end on Ascension Day? For sure, the wheat harvest cannot be used until the wave loaves are offered on Pentecost.
The "feast of the Jews" in John 5:1 seems to be Pentecost, but people "WENT UP TO JERUSALEM" several days before the feast day. Maybe Jesus did too.
Ascension Day could not have been known until 40 days after the Resurrection. How could Jesus hint about Ascension Day before the Crucifixion? Maybe by healing repeatedly on the Sabbath. Ascension Day this year is on the Sabbath, June 4.
Let's look at John 5:4-9. It says, "an angel went down at A CERTAIN SEASON (spring) into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS."
June 5, 1967 + 38 years = June 5, 2005. Ascension Day is June 4. If the Tribulation was to start on June 5, the anniversary of the beginning of the Six-Day War, the Rapture on June 4 would make sense. Why else would Jesus mention 38 years?
Continuing, John 5:6-9 says, "When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. Jesus saith unto him, RISE (we will rise at the Rapture), TAKE UP THY BED, AND WALK. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: AND ON THE SAME DAY WAS THE SABBATH."
Verse 13 is interesting. It says that "JESUS HAD CONVEYED HIMSELF AWAY." That fits the Rapture. Then verse 25 says, "Verily, verily (amen, amen; so be it; i.e., this is important), I say unto you, THE HOUR IS COMING, AND NOW IS, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." To what day was he referring? a Sabbath near Pentecost? Ascension Day?
In Rev. 3:3-8, Jesus said, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what HOUR I will come upon thee" (If we do watch, I think we will know). "Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and THEY SHALL WALK WITH ME IN WHITE: FOR THEY ARE WORTHY. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE AN OPEN DOOR (Heaven's door, Rev. 4:1), and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."
Verses 10 and 11 say, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek, out of, as in Rev. 5:9) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I COME QUICKLY: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." He comes quickly at the Rapture, and we will go up to New Jerusalem, maybe at or near a "feast of the Jews". In Rev. 22:20, he signs off with, "Surely I come quickly."
Ascension Day is not one of the 7 feasts given to the Jews, but it is when the Head of the Body of Christ ascended. Maybe it will be when the Bride of Christ ascends.
Isa. 57:1-3 says, "merciful men are taken away (at the Rapture), none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come (the Tribulation). He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress (i.e., the harlot church of Rev. 17), the seed of the adulterer and the whore."
Mt. 12:1,8 (HNV) says, "YESHUA WENT ON THE DAY OF SHABBAT THROUGH THE GRAIN FIELDS. His talmidim were hungry and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat....THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY."
In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:9,10, John said, "I John...was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal)...I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day." Is that the Sabbath?
In Hebrew, Saturn is Shabbatai. Will we go to Shabbatai on Shabbat? It means to rest. Psa 149:5 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds." Food for thought. Agape
From 5 Doves site
Rachel (26 Apr 2005)
"Timing of the Lord's return"
I read your site quite often. Good job! Thought I'd shoot this question your way. Hope you can find the time to answer.
I'm a born again believer and I know the Lord will return soon. I've been trying to figure out why we're past 2000. I know there is the chance of being off a couple of yrs. but, lately I'm wondering if we should figure things more from the time of Christs death and not his birth? He's supposed to return for us after 2 days, right ? 2 thousand yrs. If He started the church on Pentecost around the 32 or 33 yr could He also bring us home about 2 thousand yrs. later around 2032? That's still under 100 yrs from Israel becoming a nation.
It doesn't look like things can hold off that long but, it just seems like 2000 yrs is correct for the church age?? Thanks in advance, Your sic, Rachel
> > I'm wondering if we should figure things more from the time of Christs death and not his birth?
I think we are to figure from the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967. At that time, Israel grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights) fulfilling the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. This sign had to take place while Israel was still tender (apalos, young) and she was 19 in 1967.
Mt. 17 tells us that there are 42 generations from Abraham to Christ, and 2030 years divided by 42 = 48.33 years. Adding 48 years to 1967 is 2015. To me, that is the outside limit for all of the end-of-the-age events to take place.
To refine this further, we need to figure out which years are Jewish Leap Years. The reason is in Eze. 39:12,13. There are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. That can only happen when the Jews add the 13th month in a Leap Year. Otherwise, there are only 6 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1.
It seems to me that the end-of-the-age Leap Year will be 5771. Tishri 1 will fall on Sept. 9, 2010; and Nisan 1 will fall on April 5, 2011. Maybe the Rapture will take place on Ascension Day, June 4, or Pentecost, June 14, 2005.
In preparation, we should make sure that all our sins committed after we accepted Christ are confessed to bring them under the blood of Christ. I John 1:4-9 says, "these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
In II Peter 1:4-11, Peter gives us a list "by these ye might be partakers of the DIVINE NATURE (Holy Spirit), having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans), and cannot see afar off (Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins (when he accepted Christ). Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
Wise virgins have plenty of OIL, the "DIVINE NATURE." They are members of the Bride of Christ that "ARE WITH HIM" at the time of the Rapture. These are "CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL" (Rev. 17:14). They made their "CALLING AND ELECTION SURE." Agape
Asteroid Rained Glass Over Entire Earth, Scientists Say
By Hillary Mayell
...The asteroid that created the Chicxulub...crater, located on the Yucatán Peninsula of Mexico, was probably more than 6 miles (10 kilometers) wide, researchers estimate. The resulting crater was 110 to 125 miles (180 to 200 kilometers) wide and very deep. Today it is buried under several miles of limestone and is mostly underwater.
"When this thing came in, it cleaved right through the atmosphere, and you had a huge amount of meteoritic material with a lot of iridium in it smack into the Earth and vaporize totally," said Lawrence Grossman, a geochemist at the University of Chicago.
All that iridium—an element that is abundant in space but rare on Earth—was thrown up in a huge plume of superheated gas, ash, dust, and pulverized rock.
"This high-temperature, high-pressure plume punches through the atmosphere, way up into the stratosphere. Calculations based on the fallout material left behind indicate that this cloud would envelop the globe," said Denton Ebel...
The scientists concluded that minute droplets of superhot liquid rock condensed in the vapor cloud as it expanded and cooled, and then rained down all over Earth....
Today the impact debris exists as a thin layer of reddish clay that can be found in rock strata across continents and beneath the ocean floor. The amount of iridium found in this layer is several hundred times higher than normal in some places.
The iridium-rich layer forms what geologists call the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary (or Cretaceous-Paleogene boundary)—"K-T boundary," for short. In soil below the boundary, fossils of dinosaurs and many other plants and animals that existed during the Cretaceous period (144 million to 65 million years ago) are abundant. In soil layers above the iridium spike, the fossil record tells the story of a world without dinosaurs.
The obvious conclusion is that the layer of debris ejected by the impact draws the line of extinction for the dinosaurs....
"We think what happened was you got a liquid condensed from this vapor with crystals in it of spinel. And the liquid may have cooled off very quickly so it made glass—spinel in solid glass," Grossman said. "The iridium condensed as the cloud cooled, and fell over a short period of time, creating an enhanced iridium concentration in a very thin layer, which is preserved until this very day."
Millions of years of weathering have turned these glass droplets into clay, but the spinel was impervious to the vagaries of wind and water, and remained intact....
"We calculated what the composition of the spinel would be as it condensed from the gas as the temperature fell," Grossman said. "The temperature moves from the composition of the Atlantic spinels, which were formed at high temperature, to the composition of the PACIFIC SPINELS, which formed at low temperatures....
Keller says that Ebel and Grossman are looking at spinels from the K-T boundary, where there is a spike in iridium and abundant spherules. But she says that these samples were not the result of the Chicxulub impact.
"What they should infer is that THERE IS ANOTHER IMPACT AT THE K-T BOUNDARY, but we don't know much about that impact. All we know is it's iridium rich, spinel rich, but not spherule rich," Keller said....
"The iridium spike could only have occurred as the result of a cataclysmic event," Grossman said.... (emphasis is mine)
> > "The temperature moves from the composition of the Atlantic spinels, which were formed at high temperature, to the composition of the PACIFIC SPINELS, which formed at low temperatures....
> > "The iridium spike could only have occurred as the result of a cataclysmic event
I agree that there was another cataclysmic event. Since these spinels are found in the bottom of the Pacific Basin, I think they were deposited after the Moon material was blasted off by an asteroid impact. These low-temperature-formed spinels could have dropped from the thick dark impact cloud after it had circled the Earth.
Job 38:8-11 says, "who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and THICK DARKNESS A SWADDLINGBAND FOR IT, And BRAKE UP FOR IT MY DECREED PLACE (the Pacific Basin), and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
In Gen 1:9, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE (the Pacific Basin), and let the dry land appear: and it was so."
After we got samples of Moon rocks, I was excited to find out that the surface of the Moon also has an abundance of glass beads formed by impact explosion.
Mystery minerals formed in fireball from colliding asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs
...Scientists had already known that the spinels found at the boundary layer in the Atlantic Ocean distinctly differed in composition from those found in the Pacific Ocean. “The spinels that are found at the Cretaceous-Paleogene boundary in the Atlantic formed at a hotter, earlier stage than the ones in the Pacific, which formed at a later, cooler stage in this big cloud of material that circled the Earth,” Ebel said....
Incoming e-mail, Re: Ascension Day
...What day is Ascension Day? I have read May 5, 2005......but, you say June 4, 2005.
What am I missing?. Thank you.
Some people decided that since abib barley was found a month early, they should drop the 13th month in the Leap Year 5765. This accounts for the different dates.
On the Official Hebrew Calendar, Ascension Day will be June 4, 2005. Since the Hebrew Calendar is very accurate in the long run, I can't see throwing it off by one month now. Agape
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