Pro and Con 1202

Posted 5-1-05

Incoming e-mail, MAYBE WE CAN NOW KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR OF THE RAPTURE

Hi Marilyn: I cannot keep from sharing the excitement with you. I really need your assistance though. You said on your Home Page, quote: "Maybe we can NOW KNOW BOTH THE DAY AND HOUR that no man knew when Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse before the Crucifixion (Mt. 24:36)."

"HOW ABOUT THE MIDNIGHT WHEN JUNE 3 CHANGES TO JUNE 4? THAT IS THE MIDNIGHT OF IYAR 26, 5765, ASCENSION DAY. That date starts at 6 PM on our June 3. Six hours later is the midnight of Iyar 26 and the beginning of our June 4."

Marilyn, I need to make sure I get the Day and Hour straight when asked. As an example, are you saying that in your State of California (Pacific Time), which is ten hours later than Jerusalem's time, the Rapture will occur on or about 6:00 P.M. Friday, California's Time on California's Date of Friday, 3 June which will be Jerusalem's one minute after Midnight of Saturday, June the 4th, the 26th of Iyar?

Or, are you saying that the Rapture in America will occur sometime after midnight in the A.M. of America's time zone date of 4 June, 26 Iyar? Depending on each of our individual's time zone.

Isa. 57:1-3 says, "merciful men are taken away (at the Rapture), none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come (the Tribulation). He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress (i.e., the harlot church of Rev. 17), the seed of the adulterer and the whore."

The above Scripture seems to imply with my spirit at this point of time prior to any Rapture that very few are in reality actually anticipating a actual and immediate Rapture despite the signs. They agree it is soon but I still sense they don't have it in reality within their spirit. Do you get this same feeling from those you have contact with? I dread to think that how many may be left behind. We must pray that those who do get left behind will finally suffer brokenness and overcome and become strengthened in a real personal relationship with the God of Salvation. May the Barley Harvest be full and way beyond my understanding.

...What I need is to put on some incorruptible...

Thank you again for the advanced e-mail...That was nice. I really haven't fully digested you new update and P/C. The initial reading is overwhelming...THANKS. Agape

My reply

...In Scripture, resting in their beds, or taking up their beds and walking seem to have Rapture implications. Psa 149:5 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud (i.e., sing the NEW SONG, Rev. 5:9) UPON THEIR BEDS."

Isa. 57:1-3 says, "merciful men are taken away (asaph, gathered, taken away, or up, i.e., raptured), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY (asaph, taken up) from the evil (the Tribulation) to come (i.e., following the Pre-Trib Rapture). He shall enter into peace (i.e., in Heaven): they shall REST IN THEIR BEDS, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw NEAR hither, ye sons (the Beast and False Prophet) of the sorceress (i.e., the harlot church of Rev. 17), the seed of the adulterer and the whore." Mt 9:6 says, "that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) ARISE, TAKE UP THY BED, and go unto thine house."

Mark 2:9,11 says, "Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, ARISE, AND TAKE UP THY BED and walk?...I say unto thee, ARISE, AND TAKE UP THY BED, and go thy way into thine house."

John 5:4-9 says, "an angel went down at a certain season (spring, near Pentecost) into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS (Iyar 26, 5727, beginning of the Six-Day War, + 38 years = Iyar 26, 5765, Ascension Day, June 4, 2005). When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.Jesus saith unto him, RISE, TAKE UP THY BED, AND WALK. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on THE SAME DAY WAS THE SABBATH." Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5765 (June 4, 2005) is Saturday, the Sabbath.

The day and hour would be Jerusalem time. That's where Jesus was when he said, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, AT EVEN (6 PM), OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING (3 PM), OR IN THE MORNING. Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch" (Mark 13:32-37).

Mt. 24:36,42 says, "But of that day and hour knoweth (present tense) no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only...Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

Continuing the subject, Mt. 24:50-25:6 says, "The lord of that servant (the evil servant) shall come in A DAY when he looketh not for him, and in AN HOUR that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder (lit., cut him off), and appoint him his portion (i.e., of the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders, Luke 12:46 has 'unbelievers'): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then (tote, AT THE SAME TIME) shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps (i.e., they were saved), and took no oil (no extra oil of the Holy Spirit) with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels (i.e., bodies) with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And AT MIDNIGHT there was a cry made, Behold, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH; go ye out to meet him."

Therefore, I assume that Jesus narrowed it down to midnight. It looks to me like the Rapture could be at midnight (Jerusalem Standard Time) on Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5765 (the beginning of our June 4, 2005 in Jerusalem). We don't have long to wait to find out if that is right or wrong.

Israel is now on Daylight Saving Time, as we are in California, USA. Maybe it would be midnight Jerusalem Standard Time, which would be 11 PM Jerusalem Daylight Saving Time.

As you know, California is 10 hours behind Jerusalem. Saturday, 11 PM Jerusalem DST would be Friday, 1 PM Los Angeles, CA, DST (11 PM - 10 = 1 PM). To compare times anywhere in the world, we can go to http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

I don't know for sure whether the Rapture will happen at one instant worldwide, or at midnight Standard Time in each time zone. I'm guessing that it will be all at once when it is midnight Jerusalem Standard Time. Otherwise, TV news from Jerusalem could warn the rest of the world ahead of the exact hour in their time zone. Also, Mark 13:36 says, "Lest coming SUDDENLY he find you sleeping."

After the Transfiguration, MarK 9:8 says, "And SUDDENLY, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves." Moses and Elijah will probably come with Jesus, stay on Earth, and we will be transported to the clouds to suddenly meet Jesus there.

> > What I need is to put on some incorruptible...

Ed, Dave and I need that too....Agape

Incoming e-mail, Pope Ratzinger

New Pope Ratzinger is 78 years old. Does that fit your definition of old as required in Revelation? I searched on the web for books he has written. In this book, Ratzinger sticks to Jesus Christ as the only way to redemption and is tolerant of other religions but does not embrace them as truth. It seems to me he would have to do an about face in his belief to want to unite all religions unless they also accepted Christ as the way to salvation.
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"Truth and Tolerance - Christian Belief and World Religions"
Book by Josef Ratzinger

"Is truth knowable? If we know the truth, must we hide it in the name of tolerance? Cardinal Ratzinger engages the problem of truth, tolerance, religion and culture in the modern world. Describing the vast array of world religions, Ratzinger embraces the difficult challenge of meeting diverse understandings of spiritual truth while defending the Catholic teaching of salvation through Jesus Christ. "But what if it is true?" is the question that he poses to cultures that decry the Christian position on man's redemption. Upholding the notion of religious truth while asserting the right of religious freedom, Cardinal Ratzinger outlines the timeless teaching of the Magisterium in language that resonates with our embattled culture. A work of extreme sensitivity, understanding, and spiritual maturity, this book is an invaluable asset to those who struggle hear the voice of truth in the modern religious world."

My reply

Isa 9:15 says, "The ANCIENT AND HONOURABLE, he is the HEAD (6th head of the great red dragon, the Pontifex Maximus); and THE PROPHET THAT TEACHETH LIES, he is the TAIL" (last Pontifex Maximus, 7th head of the great red dragon, plus Satan, the tail of the great red dragon, that will enter into him). (emphasis is mine)

When the Rapture has just taken place, and "they that ARE with him (the Lamb, Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14), Rev. 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome), and one is (the Tribulation Pope), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh (Mid-Trib), he must continue a SHORT SPACE" (the shortened Great Tribulation).

Isa 9:14: "Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel HEAD and TAIL, branch and rush, in one day" (the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath).

Isa. 19:15: "Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the HEAD or TAIL, branch or rush, may do."

Ex. 4:4: "the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the TAIL. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a ROD in his hand."

Eze 7:10: "Behold the day (Day of God's Wrath), behold, it is come: the morning is gone forth; the ROD hath blossomed, pride (i.e., Satan) hath budded."

2Th 2:9: "Even him, (the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18) whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders".

The ancient and honorable fits the Pope, but does anything else? Let's see what else we can find to compare.

The man that will rule during the first half of the Tribulation is called "THE BEAST" in Rev 20:10. He will not be saved, for Rev. 20:10 says of the unholy trinity, (1) "THE DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where (2) THE BEAST and (3) THE FALSE PROPHETare, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." There can be no doubt, THE BEAST of Rev. 13:3-10 will be left behind when the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place, and he will also be left behind when the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place.

THE BEAST of Rev. 13:3-10 is NOT the one who will be indwelt by Satan. At Mid-Trib, Satan will "go into perdition", i.e., the second son of perdition, the False Prophet. Judas Iscariot was the first "son of perdition," (John 17:12). Satan entered into him.

In its quaint Old English, 2 Thess 2:3 in the Geneva Bible tells us the truth. It says, "Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day (Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the SONNE OF PERDITION".

The False Prophet that will come to full power and become Satan-possessed Mid-Trib will be revealed when he strengthens the seven-year peace covenant (Dan. 9:27) at the beginning of the Tribulation.

Rev 17:8 (KJV) says, "The beast (great red dragon, i.e., Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Rapture); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9,14), and GO INTO PERDITION" (the False Prophet, who is the second, and last, son of perdition).

THE FIRST BEAST isn't saved, and he isn't Satan-possessed, but he can be demon-possessed.

Rev 13:1,2 says, "I stood upon the sand of THE SEA, and saw a beast (the great red dragon, rise up out of the sea (symbolizing the Holy See), having seven heads (7 empires and their kings) and ten horns (10 subordinate kings), and upon his horns ten crowns (therefore, it's the beginning of the Tribulation), and upon his heads (i.e., upon each of the seven) THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY (i.e., Pontifex Maximus). And the beast (the great red dragon) which I saw was like (symbolic language) unto a leopard (i.e., Greece, Dan. 7), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon): and the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat (lit., throne), and great authority."

Pergamos, meaning elevated, is 'where Satan's seat is' (Rev. 2:13). That clue points to Rome, for Pergamos was willed to Rome by Attalus III in BC 133.
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Pergamos - Pergamum
http://latter-rain.com/escha/pergam.htm

Pergamum was the famous site of the temple to Aesculapius, the Greek God of healing...The city became the seat of Babylonian sun worship, a noble center of idolatry and demon controlled religions with splendid temples to Nature. People from all over the Roman empire came to seek healing in this pagan temple and the shrine area was inhabited by thousands of harmless SNAKES. On the hills of Acropolis stood resplendent buildings, statuary, palaces and the great library as well as the temples and an altar of "ZEUS THE SAVIOR." Medicine and science was worshipped here and the SYMBOL OF THEIR WORSHIP WAS THE SERPENT. The snake was carried down into our own day with a staff entwined with serpents called the caduceus, still using the snake as a symbol for the medical arts; Aesculapius is depicted holding the caduceus in his hand....
Pergamum remained the capital until the last of the Pergamenian kings, Attalus III, acquiescing to his sense of unavoidable destiny, made the Roman Republic the heir to his kingdom in 133 BC....

Constantine made Christianity the state religion and by doing so acted in the same capacity as Attulus III by giving away the kingdom to the Romans. It was the Roman church however that the blame resides. Constantine was a useful ally, he had stopped the persecutions and did what He could to bring peace to the church by holding an ecumenical council to decide some tough issues that needed to be dealt with. It was not his fault. The persecutions had strengthened the church but the Roman church had already compromised by this time by bringing the NICOLATIAN ERRORS OF THE SEPARATION OF THE CLERGY AND LAITY. By destroying the unity and humility of the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers, THE PRIDE OF LORDING IT OVER THE PEOPLE stifled the prophetic influence and plunged the church into the dark ages....

When the Empire crumbled and the throne was vacant, the wordly (worldly) authority was taken over by the papacy who turned the throne into "satan's seat." The bishop of Rome was now Pontifex Maximus with all the pretention and false authority over the church that the old imperial office held....
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Rev. 17:10 shows that at the time of the Rapture, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (the kings of Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome all had the title Pontifex Maximus) and one is (#6, THE BEAST, Pontifex Maximus), and the other (#7, THE FALSE PROPHET, last Pontifex Maximus) is not yet come". The setting of both Rev. 13:1-10 and Rev. 17 is right after the Rapture takes place, for 17:14 says, "they that ARE WITH HIM (the Lamb, Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." This is at the time that the 10 kings are crowned (Rev. 13:1), but "have received no kingdom as yet" (Rev. 17:12).

Rev. 13:3-10 says, "I saw one of his (the great red dragon's) heads (the 5th, Imperial Rome) as it were (symbolic language) wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (i.e., when the power was transferred to Ecclesiastical Rome): and all the world wondered after the beast. And they (i.e., pagan religions of all the world) worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto THE BEAST: and they worshipped THE BEAST (the 6th head of the great red dragon, the Pontifex Maximus), saying, Who is like unto the beast? (none, there's only one Pope) who is able to make war with him? (none) And there was given unto him a mouth (like a lion of Babylon) speaking great things and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (first half of the Tribulation). And HE OPENED HIS MOUTH IN BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle (Heaven), and them that dwell in heaven (the wise virgins caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture). And it was given unto him to make WAR WITH THE SAINTS (foolish virgins left on Earth), and to overcome them: and POWER WAS GIVEN HIM OVER ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS. all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (that includes all pagan religions). If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity".

Mt 7:15 says, "BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you in SHEEP'S CLOTHING, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Today, Pope Benedict was given the papal ring and "the pallium - a narrow stole of white wool"-- i.e., SHEEP'S CLOTHING".
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Benedict XVI is installed as Pope , Sunday, 4-24-05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2005/pope_benedict_xvi/default.stm

Benedict XVI receives the papal ring and pallium formally inaugurating him as Roman Catholic Pope.
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Benedict XVI is installed as Pope
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4477769.stm

SYMBOLS OF POWER
PALLIUM
Embroidered with five red crosses representing blood of Christ
Made from lambs wool signifying role as shepherd
Reserved for bishops and Popes
When worn by Pope is symbol of pontifical power
PAPAL RING
Known as the Fisherman's Ring
Made from gold
Bears image of St Peter in a boat fishing and name of Pope
Acts as papal seal
Is destroyed when Pope dies

Benedict XVI is installed as Pope

Pope Benedict XVI has been formally installed as Pope in an open-air Mass in St Peter's Square in Rome.
Today, the new Pope has been presented with the symbols of power, the Papal ring and the pallium - a narrow stole of white wool.
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Pope's Installation Mixed Old, New
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/24/sunday/main690464.shtml

VATICAN CITY, April 24, 2005
  
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Pope Benedict XVI holds up the bent cross, as John Paul II did.

As the Tribulation begins, Rev. 6:2 says, "behold a white horse (i.e., he comes as a prince of peace and as the vicar of Christ, i.e., the earthly representative of Christ): and he that sat on him had a bow (toxon, simple fabric, symbolizes a religious leader, a man of the cloth); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
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THE DEVIL'S THRONE
http://www.antiqillum.com/texts/bg/Qadosh/qadosh057.htm

...The deification of the emperors that continued in succession from the days of Divus Julius, or the "Deified Julius," can be traced to no cause so likely as their representing the "Bull-horned" Attalus both as Pontiff and Sovereign.

Then, on certain occasions, in the exercise of his high pontifical office, he appeared of course in all the pomp of the Babylonian costume, as Belshazzar himself might have done, in ROBES OF SCARLET, with the CROSIER OF NIMROD (king of the Tower of Babel) in his hand, wearing the MITRE OF DAGON (the fish god) and bearing the KEYS OF JANUS AND CYBELE.... (a false god and goddess).
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Crozier
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~acolyte/Roman%20Catholic%20Vestments/crozier.html

The crozier is the shepherd's staff, bent at the neck...
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Holy See
(From the Latin Sancta Sedes, Holy Chair).
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07424b.htm

A term derived from the enthronement-ceremony of the bishops of Rome. The seat or chair in question must not be confounded with the ancient sedes gestatoria in the centre of the apse of St. Peter's, and immemorially venerated as the cathedra Petri, or Chair of Peter; the term means, in a general sense, the actual seat (i.e. residence) of the supreme pastor of the Church, together with the various ecclesiastical authorities who constitute the central administration. In this canonical and diplomatic sense, the term is synonymous with "Apostolic See", ...
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We need to keep watching to see how things line up, and keep in mind that the apostle Peter was not the Pontifex Maximus. During his lifetime, the Roman Emperors were the Pontifex Maximus. Of this there can be no doubt; it is on their coins. Also, the Vatican claims that Peter is buried there. However, what was probably Peter's ossuary was found in Jerusalem.

The title Pontifex Maximus was used by the Mystery Religion of Babylon. It started at the Tower of Babel with Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz, Satan's counterfeit Christ. That title was used by all the heads of the great red dragon that are past, Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome. The title was later transferred to Ecclesiastical Rome and has come down to our days. It's use by man is blasphemous, because only Christ has the right to be our High Priest.

In Rev. 17:5, we read of the harlot church of the Tribulation. It says, "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, "the woman which thou sawest IS THAT GREAT CITY (Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth" (Rev. 17:18). Then the Vatican is moved to literal Babylon. At that time, Rev. 18:4 warns, "Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

In Rev. 2:15-17, Jesus said, "So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans (separation of priesthood and laity), which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly (i.e., at the Rapture), and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
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Pope Benedict XVI Reaches Out to Muslims
By NICOLE WINFIELD, AP, April 25, 05
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050425/ap_on_re_eu/pope

VATICAN CITY - A day after reaching out to other Christians and to Jews in his installation Mass, Pope Benedict XVI met Monday with members of the Muslim community, assuring them the church wanted to continue building "bridges of friendship" that he said could foster peace in the world....

"I express my appreciation for the growth of dialogue between Muslims and Christians, both at the local and international level," he said....

At 6:40 p.m., Chilean Cardinal Jorge Medina Estevez, the senior cardinal in the order of deacons, appeared at the basilica balcony and intoned to the crowd in Latin: "Dear brothers and sisters, I announce to you a great joy. Habemus Papam: We have a Pope, the MOST EMINENT AND REVEREND LORDSHIP, LORD JOSEPH Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church RATZINGER."
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Ouch!

He said his term would be short. How short, I don't know. Will be be THE BEAST? I don't know. Keep watching. If the Rapture takes place while he is in office, he will be THE BEAST. Five have fallen, but "ONE IS" at the time of the Rapture (Rev. 17:10). Agape

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