Pro and Con 1206

Posted 5-11-05

Incoming e-mail, Re: Vicar of Christ

...we have seen presidents, kings, queens, world leaders and Christian leaders fall over themselves as they give seek out and give honor to the Pope the Vicar of Christ (Vicar of Christ means the substitute of Christ on Earth). Catholic doctrine states that when the Pope the Vicar of Christ sits on the seat of Peter (Paul went to Rome, not Peter) and gives a command or statement; then that command or statement is equal to the Bible, the Word of God.

Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

If the presidents, kings, queens, world leaders and Christian leaders would have sought out the true Christ, the Messiah, instead of the Vicar of Christ (the substitute of Christ on earth) then the world problems could have been come to an end.

The first 3 steps toward a one world religion and antichrist have already been taken:

Step # 1: The denominations, pastors, and Christian leaders have returned to and have accepted the Roman Catholic Church.

Step # 2: The believers have trusted their denominations, pastors, and Christian leaders and have also returned to and accepted the Roman Catholic Church.

The only way that you can return to the Roman Catholic Church is by the trampling upon the untold millions of Christian Reformation Martyrs that were tortured and killed by the Roman Catholic Church during the inquisition. (By the way, the new Pope, before he became pope, was the head of the office of Inquisition which is still in effect.)

Step # 3: This step is in the process of being fulfilled. The watchmen on the walls are being silenced. There are watchmen who see and realize what is going on and they are giving out their warnings; but they are being removed and silenced by the Church and web sites.

The new Pope’s first words were to the effect that He wanted to bring all religions together (under his authority, of course). As the world and Christians gather under the Pope the Vicar of Christ they might not understand that he may be more than a substitute for Christ on earth; he may also be the antichrist; if not this Pope, then maybe the next Pope.

My reply

...Rev. 20:10 says of the unholy trinity, "THE DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST (of Rev. 13:3-10) and THE FALSE PROPHET (the beast of Rev. 13:11-18) are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Zech. 5:3,4 tells us more about these two men called beasts in Rev. 13. Zech. 5:3,4 says, "This is the curse (the asteroid that is twice as long as wide) that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (including the False Prophet) shall be cut off as on this side according to it (as if it were one of the stone tablets with the commandments on them); and every one that sweareth (including the first Beast, who claims infallibility) shall be cut off as on that side according to it (the other stone tablet). I will bring it (the asteroid, the curse) forth, saith the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME (the first Beast, the Tribulation Pope that claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house (in Babylon), and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

Rev. 18:21 tells us more about this disaster. It says, "a mighty angel took up a stone (the asteroid) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

In Rev. 11:19, we read that "the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (where the two stone tablets were kept): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Figuratively, the two stones are cast on Earth because the commandments are not obeyed.

1John 2:22 says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." To me, the False Prophet is antichrist, not the first beast. As I understand it, the Lord says that the first beast "SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME." He claims infallibility, and probably does not deny the Father and the Son. Agape

Damascus Annihilated

By Bob Westbrook, 4-9-05
http://www.trumpetsounds.com/isaiah17.html

The demise of Damascus is prophesied in three different places in the Bible. Isaiah 17 is one of them. If this prophecy is yet future, awaiting fulfillment, it could happen soon. Damascus is a central hub of terrorism today. Several of the most prominent terrorist organizations have their headquarters there, and coordinate their operations from there....

When examining Bible prophecy, the question is not "if" what God said will happen, but "when". So our initial question for this chapter is this: has the destruction of Damascus, described here, occurred in history?

(Isaiah 17:1 ESV) An oracle concerning Damascus. Behold, DAMASCUS WILL CEASE TO BE A CITY and will become a heap of ruins....

Also, it is important to note that the three Biblical prophecies about the doom of Damascus (Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 49, Zechariah 9) were written over a span of 200 years. Therefore, even a fulfillment in Isaiah's day would not satisfy the requirements of the other prophecies, written later. Regarding Jeremiah's prophecy about Damascus, the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar did conquer the city in 605 BC, but there is no record of it being destroyed then. Neither did Zechariah's prophecy receive a fulfillment. Alexander the Great did also subsequently take Damascus in 332 BC, but without bloodshed or destruction.

Therefore, we can conclude that all three of these prophecies about Damascus are referring to a tragic event yet future....

(Isaiah 17:12-14 NIV) Oh, the raging of many nations-- they rage like the raging sea! Oh, the uproar of the peoples-- they roar like the roaring of great waters! Although the peoples roar like the roar of surging waters, when he rebukes them they flee far away, driven before the wind like chaff on the hills, like tumbleweed before a gale. In the evening, sudden terror! Before the morning, they are gone! This is the portion of those who loot us, the lot of those who plunder us.

These verses, which complete the Damascus oracle, convey a distinctive change in tone and perspective. They describe the international reaction to the events prophesied above. Extreme, off-the-scale outrage will be the world's reaction to ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION OF DAMASCUS. The world already hates the nation of Israel. Can you imagine the level of loathing that will be unleashed if Israel is forced to use nuclear weapons against Damascus? No matter how justified is Israel's case, no matter how imperative their need to go nuclear, the world will go berserk....

My comments

I don't understand why Bob Westbrook would blame the annihilation of Damascus on Israel. That will be the Lord's doing, not Israel's.

The day that Damascus ceases to be a city will be "THAT DAY," THE DAY OF THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN, THE DAY OF THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE, THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, THE DAY GOG'S ARMY ATTACKS ISRAEL, THE DAY OF DARKNESS, THE DAY THE ASTEROIDS IMPACT EARTH, THE DAY OF THE WORLD-WIDE EARTHQUAKE, THE DAY EVERY WALL WILL FALL AND THE DAY ALL THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS WILL BE DESTROYED. The scriptures are clear.

1. "THAT DAY"

Isa 24:21: "it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that THE LORD SHALL PUNISH the host of the high ones that are on high (Satan and his fallen angels), and the kings of the earth upon the earth." Satan's asteroid Wormwood will impact Earth. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that split apart)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Isa 25:9: "it shall be said in THAT DAY, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and HE WILL SAVE US."

Isa 27:1: "In THAT DAY THE LORD WITH HIS SORE AND GREAT AND STRONG SWORD (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) SHALL PUNISH leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon (great red dragon) that is in the sea" (symbol of nations, Rev. 17:15, or the so-called Holy Sea. Rev. 17:15 says, "he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, WHERE THE WHORE SITTETH, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Rev. 13:1,2 says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (the great red dragon) rise up out of the sea (nations, or the Holy See), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (all 7) THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY (Pontifex Maximus). And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece, Dan. 7), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon): and the dragon (great red dragon, i.e., Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

Isa 27:12: "it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river (the Euphrates) unto the stream of Egypt (the Nile), and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel."

Isa 52:6: "my people shall know my name (Yahshua/Jesus): therefore they shall know in THAT DAY that I (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Jesus) am he" (YHWH king of Israel, the first and the last, and YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6)."

Jer 25:33: "the SLAIN OF THE LORD shall be at THAT DAY from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth."

Jer 30:7 "Alas! for THAT DAY (one day, not the whole Tribulation) is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it."

Jer 49:26: "all the men of war shall be cut off in THAT DAY, saith the LORD of hosts (YHWH, the Redeemer, Jesus).

Eze 39:11: "it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude."

Eze 39:22: "So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from THAT DAY and forward." Isa. 66:8 says, "Shall the earth be made to bring forth in ONE DAY? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."

Zec 12:3: "in THAT DAY will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH BE GATHERED TOGETHER AGAINST IT."

Zec 12:9: "it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that I will seek to destroy ALL THE NATIONS THAT COME AGAINST JERUSALEM."

2. THE DAY OF THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN

Isa 17:7: "At THAT DAY shall a man look to his Maker, and his EYES shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel."

Mat 24:30: "then shall appear THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Rev. 6:14-17: "the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Eze 38:18-20: "it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paniym, FACE), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

3. THE DAY OF THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE

Mark 13:27: "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the "last trump") to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (where those caught up at the 1st trump of God reside).

Isa. 17:11 (YLT): "In the day thy plant thou causest to become great, And in the morning thy seed makest to flourish, A HEAP IS THE HARVEST in a day of overflowing, And of mortal pain.

Zeph 2:1-5: "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., raptures) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea).

2Co 1:14: "As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS."

Rev. 7:9: "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

4. THE DAY OF THE LORD

Isa 13:9: "THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, cruel both with WRATH and FIERCE ANGER, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

2Pe 3:10: "THE DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Jer 46:10: "For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Joe 1:15: "Alas for the day! for THE DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

Joe 2:11: "the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for THE DAY OF THE LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Obadiah 1:15: "THE DAY OF THE LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head."

Joe 3:14: "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for THE DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision."

Zep 1:8: "it shall come to pass in THE DAY OF THE LORD'S SACRIFICE, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."

5. THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS

Joe 2:1: "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

6. THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

Isa 34:8: "for it is the day of the LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion." Eze 38:19: "For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in THAT DAY there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel".

7. THE DAY GOG'S ARMY ATTACKS ISRAEL

Amos 8:3: "the SONGS OF THE TEMPLE shall be howlings in THAT DAY, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence."

8. THE DAY OF DARKNESS

Amos 5:18,20: "Woe unto you that desire THE DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is DARKNESS, and not light....Shall not THE DAY OF THE LORD be DARKNESS, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?"

Acts 2:20: "The sun shall be turned into DARKNESS, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable DAY OF THE LORD come".

Joel 2:1: "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Amos 8:9: "it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at NOON, and I will darken the earth in the clear day".

Zeph 1:15: "THAT DAY is a DAY OF WRATH, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a DAY OF DARKNESS and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness".

Joe 2:31: "The sun shall be turned into DARKNESS, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible DAY OF THE LORD come."

Isa 47:5: "Sit thou silent, and get thee into DARKNESS, O daughter of the Chaldeans ('BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS', Rev. 17:5): for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms."

9. THE DAY THE ASTEROIDS IMPACT EARTH

Rev. 8:8-12: "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great MOUNTAIN BURNING WITH FIRE was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, destroying Damascus among others): and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great STAR FROM HEAVEN, BURNING as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers (destroying Babylon), and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called WORMWOOD: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was DARKENED, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."

10. THE DAY OF THE WORLD-WIDE EARTHQUAKE, THE DAY EVERY WALL WILL FALL, THE DAY ALL THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS WILL BE DESTROYED

Rev. 16:18-21: "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, IT IS DONE. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: AND GREAT BABYLON CAME IN REMEMBRANCE BEFORE GOD, TO GIVE UNTO HER THE CUP OF THE WINE OF THE FIERCENESS OF HIS WRATH. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent (about 100 lbs.): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

Eze. 38:18-23: "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. "For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be A GREAT SHAKING in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (as in a tsunami), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations (when they see the Sign of the Son of Man), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Incoming email, Re: Your Last P/C (1203) THANKS!

> > YOUR LAST P/C (1203) SAID, QUOTE:
I found this while doing a Google search
The Christmas Star, By Dr. Hugh Ross
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/christmasstar.shtml

> > "Consider this: there is ONE PASSAGE, AND ONLY ONE, IN THE WHOLE OF THE BIBLE that foretells the time of the Messiah’s coming (his first coming, that is). The passage is Daniel 9:24-26." (emphasis is mine)

> > My thoughts
> > That's a bit of an oversimplification. As usual, so the unbeliever won't understand, other passages must be considered with Dan. 9:24-26 to get the full picture....

RESPONSE: MARILYN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE...Most of what Dr. Ross says confirms that he cannot take the Bible literally, therefore, his teaching's are mixed and without faith in literal translation.

4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. (Isaiah 64:4)

My reply

Thank you. There is so much information packed into the Bible, man couldn't have written it without God's inspiration. I doubt if we will be able to see all the connections of its contents in this life. I have found that no matter how much I know, I never know it all. There is always some new understanding that keeps me seeking for even more answers. Agape

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