Pro and Con 1210

Posted 5-25-05


And when the day of Pentecost was fully come they were all with "one accord" in "one place".

Here are my thoughts. The rapture of the first leg, remnant bride-or elect will be a peoples with many nationalities, many tongues or languages, some of us not being able to speak or understand each others verbage. In order for us to already be of one accord we will need to have not only glorified bodies but minds as well. We will all understand and will be able to speak with one another--ONE ACCORD. According to the above scripture this will be on Pentecost- therefore the rapture has already happened by Pentecost!! Only in heaven-already there- will we be of ONE ACCORD! HALLELU-YAH! I believe you have found the feast time of the rapture! Thank you for the truthful work you do!!

Agape, looking up and loving the learning process! -- in Dallas. Let me know what you think of this. :)

My reply

I love it. Thanks for pointing this out. In John 14, Jesus said that he was going to prepare a "place" for us.

As they say, two heads are better than one. As soon as I read your email, I had another thought. The males had to wind up the barley harvest and start on their journey to Jerusalem for Pentecost. Some that lived farther away may have started their travels ten or more days before the feast. It was common to arrive in Jerusalem a week before the feast to get settled and be ready for the feast.

I turned to John 4 and 5. The feast mentioned in 4:45 was passover (see John 2:13). In 4:46, Jesus performed the second miracle at Cana (the nest) of Galilee (circle, revolution, wheel; i.e., the rotating sphere, Heaven). The first miracle at Cana of Galilee was when he made the water wine at a marriage feast. The second was when he healed the nobleman's son long distance (John 4:46f).

John 5:1 says, "AFTER THIS, there was a feast of the Jews." This feast had to be Pentecost. Ascension Day was unknown at that time. However, it does not tell us that the healing of the man that had an infirmity 38 years was on Pentecost. It was probably near the"certain season" (5:4), when the angel came down to trouble the water. It was close to Pentecost, when the people were traveling to Jerusalem.

"Jesus went up to Jerusalem" (5:1). Could that represent the Rapture, when we will go up to New Jerusalem? Jesus healed the man that day, for the angel had not yet come down to trouble the water" (5:4), and it was the sabbath. Ascension Day, June 4, 2005, will be on Saturday.

Let's look at Jesus' words after he told the man, "RISE, TAKE UP THY BED, AND WALK" (5:8), and after "JESUS HAD CONVEYED HIMSELF AWAY" (5:13), words that suggest the Rapture. "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple...the man departed" (5:14,15), more words that suggest the Rapture, for we are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

In verse 21, Jesus said, "For as the Father RAISETH UP THE DEAD, AND QUICKENETH THEM; EVEN SO THE SON QUICKENETH WHOM HE WILL." This will happen at the Rapture.

In verses 24 and 25, Jesus said, "VERILY VERILY (Amen, amen, so be it, i.e., this is important), I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life (now), and shall not come into condemnation (in the future); but is (now) passed from death unto life. VERILY VERILY, I say unto you, THE HOUR is coming, and NOW IS, WHEN THE DEAD SHALL HEAR THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD (saying 'Come up hither"?): AND THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE."

That sounds like the Rapture, and it could have been near, but preceding Pentecost--Ascension Day.

Here are my study notes from last night.

WHY RUTH, AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, WAS GIVEN SIX MEASURES OF BARLEY Numbers in the Bible have significance beyond the count. Six is incomplete, as a 6-day week is incomplete. Six is the number of man, created on the 6th day. Seven means completion and perfection, as in a seven-day week. Seven is God's number for he is perfect, and his rest in Genesis was the 7th day. The sabbatismos, God's rest, and ours (Heb. 4:9) is the 7th millennium.

The Bride of Christ to be caught up at the Pre-Trib Rapture is associated with the number six. This Bride group could represent 6/7ths of the complete number of Bride saints. The 144,000 Israelites that are added to the Bride group at the Pre-Wrath Rapture could be 1/7th of the Bride group.

Ruth (meaning filled, satisfied) represents the Bride of Christ caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. In Ruth 3:15, Boaz (meaning in strength, i.e., a type of Christ) "measured SIX MEASURES OF BARLEY, and laid it on her: and she went into the city" (type of the heavenly city). The barley harvest ends before the wheat harvest begins on Pentecost. The males must START their journey to Jerusalem for Pentecost. I think the barley harvest (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) will happen on Ascension Day. It falls on Saturday, June 4, this year.

That's perfect. for Eze 46:1 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate (or door, symbol of the Rapture, Rev. 3:8, Mt. 24:32-34) of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the SABBATH it shall be opened (i.e., the first Rapture may take place on the Sabbath), and in the DAY OF THE NEW MOON it shall be opened" (i.e., the second Rapture takes place on the New Moon, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets).

It looks like the Bride of Christ caught up to Heaven in the first Rapture may only be 6/7ths of the total Bride group, because the second Rapture (Pre-Wrath) adds 144,000 Israelites to the wise-virgin Bride group (Rev. 14:3-5). This completes the Bride of Christ, the Firstfruits, so at that time (after the Rapture of the Tribulation saints), the Bride group is related to seven, which means perfection and completion.made

If 1/7th of the Bride group equals 144,000, 6/7ths equals 864,000, and 7/7ths equals 1,008,000. I wonder, will the Bride group caught up at the first Rapture equal 864,000?

I have to add this. I remembered that our house number is 8641. The 864 correlation is a surprise. Thoughts flicker through my head. God picked out this house. After lots and lots of looking, it was the only one we could buy at the time. One house deal fell through, because the people that bought our Spring Crest Drapery store skipped and stopped paying us. We tried to get another house. That deal fell through, because we had to deed our 7000 ft. house over to Boston Harbor to get out from under the payments. We tried about a year and a half to sell it, but no high end real estate was moving at that time, because Clinton had closed too many military installations at once in southern California. Scads of people were out of work. Ed, Dave, and I lost everything we had put into the house. I felt like crying just for the work we put into it. The builder went bankrupt. We bought the unfinished house--3 weeks away from completion, and finished it ourselves. I laid 900 sq. ft. of ceramic tile in that house. After having to give that house away, Ed and I jumped at the chance to get this 1685 sq. ft. one. We could never have arranged it by ourselves. The owner was in trouble too, and had prayed for Christians to get his house, and in spite of obtacles, we did. Thank you Lord.

We were lucky to have bought in a neighborhood where over 500 other houses have been built since--maybe up to 1000 by now. I can't keep track. It seems like each new tract has bigger houses than the last. Property values have increased. People around us keep replacing garage doors and painting their houses (built in 1991) so they blend in nicely with the new construction. Though crowded, we are happy with the house. It's comfortable.

The Bride group saints can be numbered. Those saints that are not part of the Bride-group cannot be numbered by man. Rev. 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, STOOD BEFORE THE THRONE" (in Heaven).

The first Rapture is as the days of Noah (which means rest; Mt. 24:37). The second Rapture is as the days of Lot (Luke 17). Gen 7:6 says, "Noah was SIX hundred years old when the flood of waters (symbol of the Holy Spirit) was upon the earth." He and his family represent the Bride saints. They were floated up as we will be at the Rapture. Gen. 8:14 says, "And in the second (sheniy, properly double, second time) month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, the earth was dried" (ya^be^sh, to be ashamed, confused or disappointed). If the Rapture takes place on Ascension Day (Iyar 26), many of those left on Earth on the 27th day will be ashamed, confused or disappointed. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt. 22:13,14; 24:51; Luke 12:46).

In Mt. 22:13,14, the king (i.e., Christ) said "to the servants, Bind him (the one without a wedding garment) hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer (outside the door) darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." Could 864,000 be the few that are chosen?

In Gen 30:20, "Leah said, God hath endued me with a good dowry; now will my husband dwell with me, because I have born him SIX sons". Leah (weary, tired) was the oldest and was the first bride. Jacob worked 7 years for her. These 7 years might stand for 1998 to 2005, the testing time for the Bride. The second bride of Jacob was Rachel (an ewe, a female sheep). She had two sons. Jacob worked 7 more years for her. This 7-year period might stand for the Tribulation. Jacob had tribulation, and Rachel died when giving birth to Benjamin on their trip to Bethlehem. Her tomb is about 2 miles south of Jerusalem.

In the original Zodiac, the Big and Little Dipper (or Ursa Major and Ursa Minor) were called the Greater and Lesser Sheepfolds. I think Leah stands for the Lesser Sheepfold, i.e., the First Rapture, and Rachel stands for the Greater Sheepfold, i.e., the Second Rapture.

Gen 46:26 says, "All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and SIX" (66). Six is an incomplete number. The total that go down to Egypt first could represent the first Rapture.

Ex. 1:5 says, "And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already." Seven is a complete number, as the Bride group will be complete at the 2nd Rapture.


Rev 3:12 says, "Him that overcometh will I make A PILLAR IN THE TEMPLE of my God, and he shall go no more out (i.e., after the Rapture): and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

There were two bronze pillars that flanked the double DOORS of the temple. The one named Boaz (fleetness, in strength, lovely) was on the left. I think it stood for the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints, the Bride-of-Christ saints, the same as Ruth, who married Boaz. The pillar called Jachin (whom God will strengthen and make steadfast) was on the right. I think it stood for the Tribulation's Pre-Wrath-Rapture saints.

1 Tim. 3:15 says, "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, THE PILLAR and ground of the truth."

Ex. 33:9 says, "And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy PILLAR descended, and stood at the DOOR (symbol of the Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle, and the LORD talked with Moses." At the first Rapture, I expect Moses and Elijah to arrive as we go up. The Lord could speak with them as he did at the Transfiguration.

Deu 31:15 says that "the LORD appeared in the tabernacle in A PILLAR of a cloud: and the PILLAR of the cloud stood over the DOOR (symbol of the Rapture) of the tabernacle." Jesus will come with clouds at the Rapture. Acts 1:9 says that Jesus "was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight." Then in verse 11, there were two men that said, "ye men of Galilee (i,e., Heaven), why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the DOOR."

Ex. 33:9 says, "it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy PILLAR DESCENDED, and stood at the DOOR of the tabernacle, and THE LORD TALKED WITH MOSES.


Incoming e-mail, Re: conflict

"From the time of the Pentecost sign in the heavens this Shavuot, May 25-27, 2004, to the time of the start of the unbelievable 2005 sign in August, Jupiter will be approaching and enter Virgo from the direction of Leo," (my comment: May 25-27 Shavuot is not determined from abib barley, and this counting has not begun on the first day of the week.) "Then, the awesome sign of 2005 begins at dusk Aug. 13, 2005. On this day, Jupiter "the man child / Messiah" will be in the center of Virgo, Virgo will be "clothed with the sun" because it is dusk, and the moon will be "under her feet.

"This sign appearing after sunset on Aug. 13, 2005 is very significant because it occurs the 9th of Av which starts that very evening!"


Hello, do you think this is a conflict with your belief that "Gemini" has to be at a certain position in the heavens for the rapture to occur?

I think you said that "Gemini" would no longer be in the correct position after July,and that "Gemini" would not be in the necessary position again for many years.

I cannot fathom being hear (in this God forsaken world) much longer!!


My reply

Thanks for your kind words. It doesn't look like we are going to be here much longer, either.

> > do you think this is a conflict with your belief that "Gemini" has to be at a certain position in the heavens for the rapture to occur?

No. Ascension Day, Saturday, Iyar 26, 5765 (June 4, 2005) still sounds most likely to me. At that time, Saturn will still be in Gemini, which I think is the sign of the Rapture. I think the sign in Rev. 12 took place when Jesus was born. It happens at intervals.

Ascension Day is the sabbath (Shabbat), the best day I can think of to go to Saturn (Shabbatai), which is now in Gemini.

Eph 2:6 says, "And hath RAISED US UP TOGETHER (Rapture language), and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus". This sounds like Gemini, where the Bride and Bridegroom sit together on the ecliptic, the band where Saturn and the other planets orbit.

Many times Jesus healed on Shabbat. Let's look at the symbolism in John, chapters 2-5. The Passover was over in 2:23. Then Jesus "left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee (circle, i.e., symbol of the heavenly sphere, i.e., Saturn). He went through Samaria. After talking to the woman at the well, we read In John 4:30 that the Samaritans "went out of the city, and CAME UNTO HIM (Rapture language).

In verse 35, Jesus said to the disciples, "Say not ye, There are yet FOUR MONTHS (Sivan, Tammuz, Av, and Elul), and then cometh harvest (i.e., the 2nd Rapture on Tishri 1)? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are WHITE ALREADY TO HARVEST (i.e., Ascension Day, Iyar 26)." Barley shows white at harvest, as you can see below.

John 5:1 says, "After this (his arrival at 'Cana of Galilee', John 4:46, the place of the wedding miracle) there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. The next of the three feasts that the males had to go up to Jerusalem was Pentecost, and people went up early to get settled and ready for the feast. Ascension Day is 10 days before Pentecost.

When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, "a certain man was there, which had an infirmity THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS" (5:5). He could not get into the pool first when an angel troubled the waters, So in verses 8 and 9, "Jesus saith unto him, RISE, TAKE UP THY BED, AND WALK. (Rapture language) And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on THE SAME DAY WAS THE SABBATH."

Jesus healed several times on the Sabbath. Was it because the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on the Sabbath? I think so. He said that man was not made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man. There must have been a good reason.

The Six-Day War began on Iyar 26, 5721 (June 5, 1967). Adding 38 years brings us to Iyar 26, 5765 (June 4, 2005). That's ASCENSION DAY. Concerning the entry into the Promised Land, De. 2:14 says, "the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea (meaning holiness of the grain; it's where the provocation took place), until we were come over the brook Zered, was THIRTY AND EIGHT YEARS; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them."

On APOD tonight, I found out that comet Tempel 1 was slowly sweeping through Virgo on May 3. It could also be a sign. NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft is due to meet up with this comet on July 4, 2005.
Your first look inside a comet (Comet 9P/Tempel 1)

Sixty-nine days before it gets up-close-and-personal with a comet, NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft successfully photographed its quarry, comet Tempel 1, at a distance of 39.7 million miles. The image, taken on April 25, 2005, is the first of many comet portraits Deep Impact will take leading up to its historic comet encounter on July 4.

Maybe we will be caught up on Ascension Day. I hope nothing terrible happens because they impact a comet. It isn't something I would want to try. Agape

Deep Impact Photographs Comet Tempel 1

On July 4, a probe released from the Deep Impact mothership will hit the comet, carving a crater and kicking up enough dust that researchers say the event should be visible to backyard stargazers with binoculars or small telescopes. Seasoned skywatchers might even spot the comet with the naked eye as it brightens temporarily....

Incoming e-mail, Re: First Fruits

I hope this finds you well.

In Rev. 14:3-5 The word speaks of the hundred fourty four thousand as which "were" redeemed from the earth, that they are virgins, and that these were redeemed from the earth "being" the "first fruits unto God and to the Lamb. That in thier mouth was found no guile; for they are without fault before the throne of God." (Sounds like the first group to be raptured to me.) The next, verse 6-13 speaks of an angel having the everlasting gospel to preach unto every nation, and kindred, and every tongue, and people, (sounds like the outporing of the Holy Spirit "on Pentacost perhaps" upon those left behind from the first part of the rapture. The next verse 14-20 speaks of two harvests one of the righteous (sounds like the second part of the rapture to me), and the unrightous headed for the vinepress of his wrath. In HIS NAME

My reply

> > I hope this finds you well.

Ed is now 81, and can barely walk, moves like molasses. I'm now 76 and probably have carpal tunnel syndrome in my right wrist. Had to put the old trac ball on the new computer. It works fine. I wonder why they don't make the mouse fit the hand. I had to pull my index finger too far toward my thumb to left click. Other things hurt the wrist, for instance, it's hard to turn the key far enough to start the car. Otherwise, we are doing as well as can be expected.

> > (the 144,000) Sounds like the first group to be raptured to me.

I think that's because they will be added to the Bride group, even though they will be caught up in the 2nd Rapture.

Rev. 14:1-5 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (the heavenly Mt. Zion), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard A VOICE FROM HEAVEN (on Christ's Coronation Day, Rev. 19:6), as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they (the 144,000) sung AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from (apo, off, DEPARTURE, i.e., at Rapture 2, they departed from) the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD."

In Rev. 3:8, the Bride saints are to be kept "from (ek, out of, as in Rev. 5:9) the hour of temptation (pierasmos, trial, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth."

In Rev. 7:14, 23, we see that the 144,000 come "(ek) out of great tribulation." What is the difference? The first Rapture catches up those wearing white robes of righteousness. The 144,000 are left behind that time. They are not yet wearing white. By the 2nd Rapture, they "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14).

At the 1st Rapture, the saints sing the "NEW SONG" (Rev. 3:9). At the 2nd Rapture, only the 144,000 sing "AS IT WERE A NEW SONG." At that point, "no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from (apo, off, DEPARTURE, i.e., at Rapture 2, they departed from) the earth" Rev. 14:3).

The Pre-Trib Rapture takes place in Rev. 4:1, before Christ is given the 7-sealed book. They are in Heaven before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals. The 6th seal is broken in Rev. 6:12. We see the Tribulation saints in Heaven in Rev. 7. Then, in Rev. 8, the breaking of the 7th seal releases the 7 trumpet judgments.

After the 144,000 are in Heaven, we read about the angel flying in the air preaching the everlasting gospel "to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IS COME: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and sea, and the fountains of waters" (Rev. 14:6,7).

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is the reaping in Rev. 14:14-17. Following the 2nd Rapture, the reaping is to cast them "into the great winepress of the WRATH OF GOD." The asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 hit Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5). Agape

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