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Posted 5-30-05

Incoming e-mail, Re: Thank you for P/C 1211

Marilyn: Wow! Thanks! Your work is marvelous! Your P/C 1211 keeps the record straight. May those eyes and ears clearly see and hear.

As I felt in 1998, I feel today. Certain people I knew then rejected our teaching of such a possibility that we can know the day and hour of the Rapture...Again, I am experiencing the same distancing of those around me concening the "day and hour". If Christ rebuked man for not knowing His arrival as a King, I truely believe we have been told of the Rapture and of His Second Advent. However, preacher's of the past and of today have done such a perfect job in "removing" one's Blessed Hope. The door does seem narrow and few seem to want to enter in...Nevertheless, thank you, thank you, and thank you, for a hope that my joy is always full from teaching to teaching. If people would just do the math...they are too slow in believing. Like frogs in a warm kettle, deluded into not fully believing what has been written is true.

Again, thanks from the bottom of my soul for your hard work. Agape

"It is the Glory of God to conceal a thing: But, the honor of kings is to search out a matter." "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: But, those things which are revealed to us belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words by the revelation of God's Word" Proverbs 25:2; Deuteronomy 29:29

My reply

Thanks for such a nice letter. Hope we are approaching the Rapture day very soon. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: 864,000

Thanks, Marilyn. I agree re living believers. That does make a lot of sense and even my poor old soul that craves so much to be with our Savior will have a chance! See you up in the air, soon, very soon! YBIC

Voyager 1 Reaches Solar System's Final Frontier

http://www.rense.com/general65/vvoy.htm

...Both Voyagers are capable of returning scientific data from a full range of instruments, with adequate electrical power and attitude control propellant to keep operating until 2020....

Incoming e-mail, Re: Saturn's Pentecost Moon

How "coincidental" for Saturn's 50th moon to be announced! http://skyandtelescope.com/printable/news/article_1518.asp

My reply

Thanks. I didn't know they got up to 50. I made a note of it in Kerrod's Star Guide. It had 22+. Agape

The pipeline that will change the world

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=641172&host=3&dir=71

It is 42 inches wide, 1,090 miles long and is intended to save the West from relying on Middle Eastern oil. Nothing has been allowed to stand in its way - and it finally opens today
Daniel Howden and Philip Thornton, 25 May 05

...The goal of the ambitious project, which makes its tortuous way from the Caspian in Azerbaijan, through Georgia to the Mediterranean coast of Turkey, is to ease the reliance of the West on the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec) and bring cheaper fuel to our filling stations.... 2 align=center>Incoming email, Re: Calendars

Thank you for your quick reply. I am still going through your response. At the elementary level, I am having a bit of trouble understanding the fourmilab calendar converter. When I insert 3790, Nisan 14 in the Hebrew calendar window and click on calculate, the program spits out 30CE, April 3, Wednesday, in the Gregorian calendar window. This is two days off from your note for the crucifixion date of Messiah. Another little problem I noticed is that the program rolls over to a new Hebrew calendar day at 12:00 noon instead of 1800 hours (6:00PM); i.e., if I input 11:59:59, Wednesday, April 3, 30CE into the Gregorian calendar window and click on calculate, I get Nisan 14, 3790 in the Hebrew calendar. If I input 12:00:00, Wednesday, April 3, 30CE into the Gregorian calendar window, I get Nisan 15, 3790 in the Hebrew calendar. Am I mistaken? Perhaps I have to back all the way out of the program and restart to get the proper response? Why the two day, Wednesday vs. Friday, difference for Messiah's crucifixion? Todah

My reply

I don't mind if my name is spelled differently, or other words, as long as I can understand what is meant.

> > I am having a bit of trouble understanding the fourmilab calendar converter. When I insert 3790, Nisan 14 in the Hebrew calendar window and click on calculate, the program spits out 30CE, April 3, Wednesday, in the Gregorian calendar window. This is two days off from your note for the crucifixion date of Messiah.

Believe me, I understand how hard it is to be sure of the date that far back. For one thing, it is confusing to try to determine an exact date, because there is a difference of two days between Gregorian and Julian computations. The Gregorian Thursday, April 4, could be Thursday, April 6, on the Julian Calendar. Even the Hebrew Calendar could have varied a bit, according to the sighting of the crescent Moon. We have to act like detectives and search for clues anywhere we can find them.

On the fourmilab site, it says, "The date December 30th, 0 in the Gregorian calendar corresponds to January 1st, 1 in the Julian calendar....The Julian calendar was proclaimed by Julius Cæsar in 46 B.C. and underwent several modifications before reaching its final form in 8 C.E. The Julian calendar differs from the Gregorian only in the determination of leap years, lacking the correction for years divisible by 100 and 400 in the Gregorian calendar. In the Julian calendar, any positive year is a leap year if divisible by 4. (Negative years are leap years if the absolute value divided by 4 yields a remainder of 1.) Days are considered to begin at midnight.

"In the Julian calendar the average year has a length of 365.25 days. compared to the actual solar tropical year of 365.24219878 days. The calendar thus accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar year every 128 years. Being a purely solar calendar, no attempt is made to synchronise the start of months to the phases of the Moon.

"The Hebrew (or Jewish) calendar attempts to simultaneously maintain alignment between the months and the seasons and synchronise months with the Moon--it is thus deemed a "luni-solar calendar". In addition, there are constraints on which days of the week on which a year can begin and to shift otherwise required extra days to prior years to keep the length of the year within the prescribed bounds. This isn't easy, and the computations required are correspondingly intricate. "

By using every means I can think of along with the Bible, I feel sure that the Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, the Passover was on Friday, Nisan 14, Unleavened Bread was Saturday, Nisan 15, and Firstfruits (Resurrection Day) was Sunday, Nisan 16. I think that Thursday was April 6, 30 AD.

Maybe astronomy can help. I just now went to: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/SpringPhenom.html The Full Moon was "30 April 6 8 p.m. Thu.", meaning that the Julian date for the full moon of 30 AD is Thursday, April 6. I think the Crucifixion was that day, The Passover, Friday, Nisan 14, started at 6 PM, and the Full Moon started 2 hours later, at 8 PM. April 7 started 4 hours after that, at midnight.

Here are the Full Moon dates for several years flanking 30 AD. Notice that the Full Moon was on Thursday evening ONLY on the Julian April 6, 30 AD. Thursday is in, and Wednesday is out. The year 27 AD was too soon for the Crucifixion.

26 April 20 Noon Sat.
27 April 9 4 p.m. Wed.
28 March 29 3 a.m. Mon.
29 April 17 3 a.m. Sun.
30 April 6 8 p.m. Thu.
31 March 27 11 a.m. Tue.
32 April 14 9 a.m. Mon.
33 April 3 3 p.m. Fri.

Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: first and last Rapture

Hi, just had a question on what the first Rapture vs. the last Rapture is. Are there two Raptures? You mentioned Ascension Day June 2005 and also on the Feast of Trumpets Sep. 9, 2010. I always thought there was only one Rapture. Can you clarify for me. I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your website, I find it very interesting and exciting. God Bless and looking forward to hearing from you.

My reply

Nu. 10:1-6: "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (Heb. 12:23), and for the JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS (at the two Raptures). And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL the assembly (both from Heaven and Earth, Mark 13:27) shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation (type of the general assembly in Heaven, Heb. 12:23). And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes (elders, 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles, Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee" (at the first Rapture).

THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, THE FIRST TRUMP OF GOD (I Thess. 4:13-18)

1Th 4:13-18: "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren (believers), concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (the first trump of God): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev. 3:8: "I have set before thee (the Philadelphian church) an open DOOR."

Rev. 4:1: "After this I looked, and, behold, a DOOR was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER."

Rev. 5:8,9: "...saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth."

Isa 57:1-3: "The righteous perisheth (abad, vanishes, escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (asaph, gathered, removed, evacuated, i.e., raptured), none considering that the righteous (the wise virgin with enough oil of the Holy Spirit in their bodies) is taken away (asaph, gathered, removed, evacuated, i.e., raptured) from the evil (Tribulation) to come (after the Rapture). He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their BEDS, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither (i.e., the Tribulation is near), ye sons of the sorceress (the Beast and False Prophet), the seed of the adulterer and the whore" (the harlot church of Rev. 17).

Psa. 149:5: "Let the saints be joyful in glory (Heaven): let them SING (the 'new song') aloud upon their BEDS."

Psa. 40:1-3: "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. HE BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was brought up out of the miry pit), and set my feet upon a rock (the heavenly planet), and established my goings (the Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG (Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Isa 18:3: "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye."

Isa 18:4-6: "For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place (HEAVEN) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (i.e., in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (at the spring Rapture) and cut down the branches (i.e., cut off the foolish virgins). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

Luke 12:46: "The lord of that servant (the foolish-virgin believer) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

Continuing, Mat 25:1f says, "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone (going) out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, THE BRIDEGROOM (Christ) CAME; AND THEY THAT WERE READY (the Bride of Christ) WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT" (as the door of the Ark was shut after Noah and his family entered).

Mt. 22:11-14: "And when the king (Christ) came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (outside the door); there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. For MANY ARE CALLED (the wise and foolish virgins), BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN" (the wise virgins).

Rev. 17:14: "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM (i.e., in Heaven, having just been raptured) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL"

THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE, THE LAST TRUMP OF GOD (I Cor. 15:51-53)

1Cor. 15:51-53: "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Rev 7:14-17: "These are THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Mark 13:27: "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Rev 14:1-5: "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (the heavenly one), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And THEY SUNG AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE (at the Pre-Wrath Rapture) redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS (formerly foolish, now wise). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits (last rank of the firstfruits, I Cor. 15:23) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT) before the throne of God" (i.e., they got wise and confessed their sins, I John 1:9).

Rev 14:14,15: "I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown (it's Christ's Coronation Day, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Judgment Seat of Christ), and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and REAP: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth (the Tribulation saints) is ripe" (they have washed their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white).

Zeph. 2:1-5: "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, BEFORE THE FIERCE ANGER OF THE LORD COME UPON YOU, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME UPON YOU. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (sawthar, BE ABSENT, i.e., by being raptured before noon) in the day of the LORD'S anger (the Feast of Trumpets). For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon). Agape

Sumatra quake's awesome power 9.3 temblor ripped 800-mile gash in Earth's crust

David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor, May 20, 2005
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/20/MNG5CCS82S1.DTL

The monster earthquake that ravaged Sumatra and the Andaman Islands in December, killing 300,000 people in a tsunami that crossed the entire Indian Ocean, was of such epic proportions that even scientists accustomed to puzzling out the complexity of Earth's behavior are awed.

They warn that similar disastrous earthquakes may lie ahead.

Consider the almost unbelievable effects of the quake revealed by the latest analyses:

-- Without warning, it ripped a deep gash in the Earth's crust for more than 800 miles, and the rupture sped from south to north at more than a mile and a half per second.

-- It made the entire Earth "ring like a bell" as its seismic signals caused the planet's crust to vibrate in oscillations picked up by seismographs worldwide -- from instruments emplaced in the steppes of Russia to others buried beneath the Antarctic ice sheet.

-- It triggered an 11-minute swarm of 14 small quakes nearly 7,000 miles away, near the slopes of Alaska's unstable Mount Wrangell volcano.

-- It released the energy of 100 billion tons of TNT -- more than the power of a thousand 1-megaton hydrogen bombs.

-- The waves of the tsunami it created were so high as they crossed the Indian Ocean that satellites orbiting overhead had no trouble identifying them through radar measurements of the wave troughs.

"The sheer size of the event is so awesome. It is nature at its most formidable, and it has been humbling to all of us who have studied it," said Thorne Lay, director of the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at UC Santa Cruz, who organized the scientific teams that conducted the seismic autopsy. "Even among seismologists, we call this a monster earthquake."...

Roger Bilham, a leading geophysicist at the University of Colorado, saw the quake as a warning: "This should be a wake-up call that conservative seismic forecasts may not serve society well," Bilham said.

Lay and Bilham are among nearly 50 international earth scientists who have been analyzing the causes and effects of the Sumatra quake of Dec. 26 and the completely separate temblor that struck nearby Nias Island on March 28. The first had a magnitude now estimated at 9.3 by most seismologists, and the second had a less destructive but still fearsome magnitude of 8.7 -- both far larger than anything ever recorded from California's infamous San Andreas Fault.

The two quakes, said Bilham, "have left seismologists searching for words and tools to describe the enormity of the geological processes involved."...

"The earthquake lasted at least an hour, perhaps up to three hours," said Roland Burgmann of UC Berkeley, one of the report's authors. "The Earth is still ringing like a bell today."

My reply

In Matthew 24, Jesus said that earthquakes would increase. It's a sign of the end of the age. Little did we know how enormous one could be. Wham! that one got the attention of the whole world. I'm thankful that we have a way to escape the Bam! that will end the shortened Tribulation when the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth. One will hit the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:3-5). The other will destroy Babylon, Iraq (Rev. 18:21). No man will set foot there after that destruction.

Well said, Re: The great week of time in Scripture, God's plan of time in a nutshell

http://www.historicism.com/Guinness/Approaching/aeota12.htm

...This millennial age, being the true sabbath of the world, must be regarded as a seventh day-the seventh day of a week, whose six preceding unsabbatic days, were of equal duration with this its sabbath. So that the last page of the Bible shows, that the creation week whose occurrences are narrated on its first page, was the germ and type of the world’s chronology, and foreshadowed the whole course of time; that the sabbath of Paradise, pointed to a great sabbath of a thousand years, with which God-to whom a thousand years are as one day-has from the beginning purposed to bless mankind; the seventh day of the great week of time, which is to introduce the eternal state-the new creation.

The system of times and seasons thus unfolded, bears the stamp of divinity: there is a consistency and a grandeur about it, as well as an evident end and meaning, which are worthy of the Bible, worthy of God!...

Incoming e-mail, Re: First Fruits

...That site I told you about was www.yashanet.com
...a Brother in HIM

In Rev. 14:3-5 The word speaks of the hundred forty four thousand as which "were" redeemed from the earth, that they are virgins, and that these were redeemed from the earth "being" the "first fruits unto God and to the Lamb. That in thier mouth was found no guile; for they are without fault before the throne of God." (Sounds like the first group to be raptured to me.)

The next, verse 6-13 speaks of an angel having the everlasting gospel to preach unto every nation, and kindred, and every tongue, and people, (sounds like the outporing of the Holy Spirit "on Pentacost perhaps" upon those left behind from the first part of the rapture. The next verse 14-20 speaks of two harvests one of the righteous (sounds like the second part of the rapture to me), and the unrightous headed for the vinepress of his wrath. In HIS NAME

My reply

Thanks for the URL. I can't go along with the Zohar's many additions to Scripture, but I found a few things of interest.
"Counting the Omer," by Tim Hegg
http://www.torahresource.com/English%20Articles/Counting%20the%20Omer.pdf

> > "If we may trust the notice of bSanhedrin11b, then before 70 CE THE FIRST AND SEVENTH MONTH WERE DECLARED BY THE SANHEDRIN BASED UPON THE SIGHTING OF THE MOON, and the adjustments necessary for the calendar's intercalation. Since Yeshua declared that those who sit in the seat of Moses have the authority to prescribe the halachah (Matthew 23:1-2), we should presume that the calendar declarations of the Sanhedrin were followed both by Yeshua and His disciples" (pp. 12,13).

> > "THE LESSON OF FIRST FRUITS IS THAT MORE IS TO COME: as the first of the harvest is brought to the Lord, the hope is that a great abundance is to follow. This is parallel to Yeshua's resurrection, and as the first fruits from the dead the point is that MANY MORE WILL FOLLOW. LIKE BARLEY first brought in from the new crop, so Yeshua is the first to raise from the dead of His own accord. As such, He guarantees the full harvest of all who are His."

Since believers are barley, it seems that our Rapture should follow Jesus' Resurrection Day as Ascension Day does. Boaz took Ruth as his bride at barley-winnowing time. The next morning after she lay at his feet, he gave her 6 measures of barley. Then Naomi said, "Sit still, my daughter, until thou know how the matter will fall: for the man will not be in rest, until he have finished the thing this day" (Ruth 3:18).

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