Pro and Con 1213

Posted 5-31-05

A FANTASTIC SIGN

Incoming e-mail, Re: A Rainbow in Church Service

"It is the Glory of God to conceal a thing: But, the honor of kings is to search out a matter." "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: But, those things which are revealed to us belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words by the revelation of God's Word" Proverbs 25:2; Deuteronomy 29:29.
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Divine Sighting Stops Church Service
http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=3405162&nav=EQlpaQ5g


Members of the Rich Hill Christian Church in Casey county say last Sunday's service (May 29, 2005; Iyar 20, 5765) came to an abrupt halt when parishioners claimed to witness a heavenly sighting. Pastor Rick Hogue says it was a very powerful moment. " I was teaching out of Revelations and all of a sudden a big RAINBOW came across the ceiling stopping the service." Pam Buis tells LEX-18 News she never carries a camera to church, but for some reason she took one that day and was able to capture the image. "Wonderful, so peaceful you could feel the presence in the room." Said Buis.

Pastor Hogue says they shook the blinds and even turned off the lights, but the rainbow was still there. Parishioners then saw something even more incredible as they claim a cross began to form in the middle of the rainbow. "The cross turned into three bright circles." Said Buis. And that's not all, she claims. "One of the dots was like the image of Jesus with his hands out stretched."...

My reply

Wow! thanks for this sign. The rainbow is God's bow.

In Gen 9:13-17, God said, "I do set MY BOW in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that THE BOW shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember MY COVENANT, WHICH IS BETWEEN ME AND YOU AND EVERY LIVING CREATURE OF ALL FLESH; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And THE BOW shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I MAY REMEMBER THE EVERLASTING COVENANT BETWEEN GOD AND EVERY LIVING CREATURE OF ALL FLESH that is upon the earth. Gen 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth."

The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). As he floated Noah and his family upward in the Ark, he will float us upward.

Stop and think, animals were floated upward in the Ark too. Maybe our pets will go with us.

Noah knew 7 days before he boarded the Ark and the Lord shut the door. Gen. 7:4 says, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain".

Last Sunday to next Sabbath is 7 days by Jewish inclusive reckoning. That's very encouraging. Noah was warned, and we have been warned. I take it that it means that Jesus is now standing at the door.

James 5:9 says, "Grudge not one against another, brethren(believers), lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge (Christ) standeth before the door."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was AS IT WERE OF A TRUMPET talking with me (Christ's voice); which said, COME UP HITHER".

In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1, verses 10 and 11 say, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (he is Lord of the Sabbath), and heard behind me A GREAT VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET, SAYING, I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST" (Christ.).

As soon as John and the 23 elders were in Heaven, "there was a RAINBOW ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE, in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's stone in the breastplate, typifying Jesus as the "Lion of the tribe of Juda", Rev. 5:5). He is both God, YHWH King of Israel, and God, YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, the first and the last (Isa. 44:6, Rev. 22:13,16). Agape

RE: THE SHROUD OF TURIN, "THREE HARD FACTS"

http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-hardfacts.htm

The Shroud may be a first century burial cloth of a Roman crucifixion. As such, given other evidence, it certainly seems to be the burial cloth of Jesus....

Fact: The bloodstains are from real human blood. Different scientists working independently conducted immunological, fluorescence and spectrographic tests, as well as Rh and ABO typing of blood antigens that prove it beyond any doubt. And several experts in forensic medicine and blood chemistry conclude that the stains were formed by real human bleeding from real wounds on a real human body that came into direct contact with the cloth. Many of the stains have the distinctive forensic signature of clotting with red corpuscles about the edge of the clot and a clear yellowish halo of serum.

There is wide agreement that the bloodstains are from a man laying on his back with his feet at one end of the 14-foot linen cloth. The cloth was brought up over the manís head to cover his face and the entire length of his body down to his feet. Bloodstains on one part of the cloth indicate a serious wound to the chest. The patterns of these stains show that blood likely flowed from the chest area, down the side of a prone body and pooled near the lower back. Mingled with the large bloodstains in this area are stains from what pathologists believe are clear bodily fluid, perhaps pericardial fluid or fluid from the pleural sac or pleural cavity. All of these findings suggest that the man received a postmortem stabbing wound in the vicinity of the heart.

Incoming e-mail, Re: first and last Rapture

Hi, just had a question on what the first Rapture vs. the last Rapture is. Are there two Raptures? You mentioned Ascension Day June 2005 and also on the Feast of Trumpets Sep. 9, 2010. I always thought there was only one Rapture. Can you clarify for me. I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your website, I find it very interesting and exciting. God Bless and looking forward to hearing from you.

My reply

Nu. 10:1-6: "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (Heb. 12:23), and for the JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS (at the two Raptures). And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL the assembly (both from Heaven and Earth, Mark 13:27) shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation (type of the general assembly in Heaven, Heb. 12:23). And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes (elders, 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles, Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee" (at the first Rapture).

THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, THE FIRST TRUMP OF GOD (I Thess. 4:13-18)

1Th 4:13-18: "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren (believers), concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (the first trump of God): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev. 3:8: "I have set before thee (the Philadelphian church) an open DOOR."

Rev. 4:1: "After this I looked, and, behold, a DOOR was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER."

Rev. 5:8,9: "...saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth."

Isa 57:1-3: "The righteous perisheth (abad, vanishes, escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (asaph, gathered, removed, evacuated, i.e., raptured), none considering that the righteous (the wise virgin with enough oil of the Holy Spirit in their bodies) is taken away (asaph, gathered, removed, evacuated, i.e., raptured) from the evil (Tribulation) to come (after the Rapture). He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their BEDS, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither (i.e., the Tribulation is near), ye sons of the sorceress (the Beast and False Prophet), the seed of the adulterer and the whore" (the harlot church of Rev. 17).

Psa. 149:5: "Let the saints be joyful in glory (Heaven): let them SING (the 'new song') aloud upon their BEDS."

Psa. 40:1-3: "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. HE BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was brought up out of the miry pit), and set my feet upon a rock (the heavenly planet), and established my goings (the Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG (Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Isa 18:3: "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye."

Isa 18:4-6: "For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place (HEAVEN) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (i.e., in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (at the spring Rapture) and cut down the branches (i.e., cut off the foolish virgins). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

Luke 12:46: "The lord of that servant (the foolish-virgin believer) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

Continuing, Mat 25:1f says, "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone (going) out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, THE BRIDEGROOM (Christ) CAME; AND THEY THAT WERE READY (the Bride of Christ) WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT" (as the door of the Ark was shut after Noah and his family entered).

Mt. 22:11-14: "And when the king (Christ) came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (outside the door); there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. For MANY ARE CALLED (the wise and foolish virgins), BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN" (the wise virgins).

Rev. 17:14: "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM (i.e., in Heaven, having just been raptured) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL"

THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE, THE LAST TRUMP OF GOD (I Cor. 15:51-53)

1Cor. 15:51-53: "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Rev 7:14-17: "These are THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Mark 13:27: "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Rev 14:1-5: "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (the heavenly one), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And THEY SUNG AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE (at the Pre-Wrath Rapture) redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS (formerly foolish, now wise). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits (last rank of the firstfruits, I Cor. 15:23) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT) before the throne of God" (i.e., they got wise and confessed their sins, I John 1:9).

Rev 14:14,15: "I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown (it's Christ's Coronation Day, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Judgment Seat of Christ), and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and REAP: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth (the Tribulation saints) is ripe" (they have washed their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white).

Zeph. 2:1-5: "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, BEFORE THE FIERCE ANGER OF THE LORD COME UPON YOU, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME UPON YOU. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; SEEK RIGHTEOUSNESS, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (sawthar, BE ABSENT, i.e., by being raptured before noon) in the day of the LORD'S anger (the Feast of Trumpets). For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (because the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon). Agape

http://www.yashanet.com/studies/revstudy/text/r1_7-20.htm
"The first mystical reference to "beginning and end," is found in Genesis 1:1. The fourth "word" (in the Hebrew) of that verse is not translated. This "word" is made up of the letters Aleph and Tav, the first and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet, which in Hebraic literature, when found together, represent the beginning and end".

> >"Following Godís Torah (which includes Messiah) in faith, brings salvation. Disobedience to Godís Torah brings condemnation"

We can see their mindset in this. It reminds me of Rev. 12:17. It says, "And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman (Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST."

Keeping the Law didn't save anyone in the past, and it can't in our days. They are right that disobeying the Law brings condemnation. It shows us what sin is. Both last will and testaments agree, even though the first testament is superceeded by the last, which was put in force by the death of Yahshua/Jesus, the testator.

THE TANACH, THE OLD LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT

Psa 14:3 says, "They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, NO, NOT ONE."
Psa 53:3 says, "Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, NO, NOT ONE."
It's plain, without a Saviour, ALL ARE LOST.

THE B'RIT HADASHAH, THE NEW LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT

Rom 3:10" "As it is written, There is none righteous, NO, NOT ONE."
Rom 3:12" "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, NO, NOT ONE."
It's plain, without a Saviour, ALL ARE LOST.

SALVATION UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT

2Sa 22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, MY SAVIOUR."

Psa 118:14 The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.

Psa 119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.

Psa 119:174: "I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Isa 52:10: "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

Isa 61:10: "I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Looking forward, Zec 9:9 says, "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King (Yahshua/Jesus) cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."

SALVATION, NEW TESTAMENT

John 3:16: "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Act 4:10-12: "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED."

Rom 1:16: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Rom 10:9,10: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: You is the Best Prophetwomen in the World

I think You is the Best Prophetwomen in the world!
And .. Iīm the Best Prophetman, heh.

I think "peace" is about 2007 09/11 and then only 45 days (=1335-1290) to Rapture!

More: http://wwnet.fi/users/veijone/#prophet

What is your reply? Yours

My reply

> > HOW MANY DAYS TO RAPTURE?
HOW MANY DAYS TO OCTOBER 26TH 2007?
Only 882 day(s) left!

Thanks. I am not a prophet, just one who has studied the Bible for 45 years.

It is good to hear from someone from Finland. I went to your web site and found the quote above. You are expecting the Rapture in 2007. I used to think the Pre-Wrath Rapture would be Sept. 13, 2007, but not now.

I now think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5765 (June 4, 2005). I expect the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010).

Get ready, just in case Ascension Day is right. Use I John 1:9, if we confess our sins to God, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Then we will be wearing white robes of righteousness. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: rapture who?

Thank you for responding! I have been watching for the return of the Lord for some time now, but I still have a hard time fathoming the event. It just seems so awesome, that I can't really imagine what it will really be like when it finally happens. peace

My reply

Around Pentecost, 1998, our son Dave dreamed that he, Ed and I went up from our front yard. He thinks he knows how it feels. He said we were going up fast, but he had no sensation of wind turbulence or cold. Before we asked him to move in here with us after his wife left him, he said that the Lord spoke to him in the hallway at his house when he was awake. All I remember of it is that to go in the first Rapture, we must be perfect. If that's so, it means that we had better keep our sins confessed as they happen. The Bride wears white. Agape

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