Pro and Con 1218

Posted 6-12-05

My reply to Incoming email, Re: Return of the LORD, omitted because of the length.

> > all down through the portals of time GOD has let HIS people be persecuted and tortured some even unto death before HE would deliver HIS people....

As you probably know, Israel was told that if they would obey, they would have peace, and if they would not obey, there were five cycles of discipline coming. It was an either/or situation. They could take their choice.

Lev 26:3-13 says, "If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. And your threshing (including wheat harvest) shall reach unto the vintage (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets), and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. And I WILL GIVE PEACE IN THE LAND".

Israel was also warned that there were 5 periods of chastisements coming if they would not obey. Did they obey? No, not as a nation. Therefore, troubles came, and that was their own fault. They chose to disobey and take the consequences. Ouch! bad thinking.

Lev 26:14-28 says, "But IF YE WILL NOT HEARKEN unto me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I WILL PUNISH YOU SEVEN TIMES MORE for your sins. And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring SEVEN TIMES MORE PLAGUES upon you ACCORDING TO YOUR SINS. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will PUNISH YOU YET SEVEN TIMES for your sins. And I WILL BRING A SWORD UPON YOU, THAT SHALL AVENGE THE QUARREL OF MY COVENANT: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. (THE FIFTH CYCLE OF DISCIPLINE)
And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also IN FURY; AND I, EVEN I, WILL CHASTISE YOU SEVEN TIMES FOR YOUR SINS."

Because this mentions God's fury, I think this applies to what we call the seven-year Tribulation. The difference is that the Tribulation will not only come upon Israel, it will come upon the whole world (Rev. 3:10). None of this had to happen to Israel. They brought it upon themselves by their stubborn disobedience.

> > One thing we need to understand about the book of Revelation is that John was in the Spirit on the LORDS day Revelation 1:10, the LORDS day is a day of gloom and doom, a day of wrath, a day darkness, a day of thick clouds, John was in the spirit and the LORD took him all the way up to the last day, the day of CHRISTíS return and he seen Christís return and the wrath of GOD being poured out upon the earth, all of the book of Revelation was seen by John while he was in the Spirit in the end days, just a few hours or maybe a few minutes before the millennial reign started.

In the PREVIEW OF THE RAPTURE in Rev 1:10,11, John said, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

The "LORD'S DAY" in Rev. 1:10 is not the same as THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD. Instead, it is the first of two DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN.

The first DAY OF THE SON OF MAN is the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The second DAY OF THE SON OF MAN is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place before the asteroids strike at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5) on THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD.

The first DAY OF THE SON OF MAN is peaceful. The second DAY OF THE SON OF MAN coincides with THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD. The cities of the nations are destroyed on that day (Rev. 16:17,18). Every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). The SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN will be seen on THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD (Rev. 6:14f).

In Luke 17:22-30 Jesus said, "unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture), and ye shall not see it (i.e., get cut off, Luke 12:46; Mt. 24:51). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (i.e., days of two Raptures) OF THE SON OF MAN. They did eat, they drank, they MARRIED wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

Jesus will be revealed when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky (Mt. 24:30). The second Rapture is on that day, the GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD.

The first Rapture is seen taking place, but the Lord is not seen that day. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited PATIENTLY (as in Rev. 3:10) for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. HE BROUGHT ME UP (i.e., caught up in the Rapture) also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was brought up out of a miry pit), and set my feet upon a rock (the heavenly planet), and established my goings (at the first Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth (as sung in Rev. 5:9), even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture, not Him), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

JoeL 2:11,31 says of the DAY OF THE LORD, "And THE LORD SHALL UTTER HIS VOICE before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the DAY OF THE LORD IS GREAT AND VERY TERRIBLE; and who can abide it?....The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before (on the Eve of Trumpets, Rev. 6:12f) the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."

None of this takes place in Rev. 1 or 4, except, and this is important, the Lord utters his voice. At the Pre-Trib Rapture, Jesus will say, "COME UP HITHER" (Rev. 4:1). On the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, "THE LORD SHALL UTTER HIS VOICE before his army". The second Rapture will take place on the DAY OF THE LORD, but before noon, when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth. The mountain-sized one will impact the Mediterranean Sea.

Zeph 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel, 1948); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce ANGER OF THE LORD come upon you, before THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER (probably the Feast of Trumpets in 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010) come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., by being caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER). For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

The first Rapture takes place on "the Lord's day" (Rev. 1:10). The second Rapture takes place on the great and terrible "DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER." They are not the same. No anger or wrath is mentioned on "THE LORD'S DAY" in Rev. 1:10.

What does happen on "THE LORD'S DAY"? Like John, we are caught up to Heaven when the Lord says, "Come up hither" (Rev. 4:1). Then we hear the Lord saying, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (Rev. 1:11). We are standing in Heaven around Christ with ALL SEVEN CANDLESTICKS, WHICH ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES. He is "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle" (Rev. 1:13).

There is no way all seven churches can just apply to John. He is not alone. As soon as John arrives in Heaven, he is seen seated with the other 11 apostles and the 12 patriarchs. These 24 elders all are wearing crowns and are seated on thrones (Rev. 4:4). The seven stars are still in Christ's hand for he has just snatched them up. They are the star performers of the seven churches.

The 24 elders are ALL ISRAELITES. They are our Representatives in the government of God. In Heaven at the same time are saints that have been redeemed "OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION" (Rev. 5:9). They are made kings and priests and will reign "epi", OVER the Earth. Their headquarters will be "new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God" (Rev. 3:12). It looks like it will orbit Earth like the Moon.

Rev. 21:23-27 says, "the city (New Jerusalem) had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

> > The two witnesses of GOD that are to come holds a very important key to the return of the LORD. Once we know for sure who they are then all the rest of the puzzle will fit jointed together with no loose ends left. > > For it is the Commandments of GOD and the testimonies of Yeshua that are the two witnesses.

I accept that there will be two literal witnesses, Moses and Elijah. Please tell me how the Commandments of GOD and the testimonies of Yeshua" could fulfill Rev. 11:3. The two witnesses "shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." How could the "Commandments of GOD and the testimonies of Yeshua" be limited to 1260 days of prophesying? Why would the "Commandments of GOD and the testimonies of Yeshua" be "clothed in sackcloth"?

How could the "Commandments of GOD and the testimonies of Yeshua" fulfill Rev. 11:5-12. Do they have bodies and mouths? Can they be dead and then resurrected? Can they ascend to Heaven? It says, "And if any man will hurt them, FIRE PROCEEDETH OUT OF THEIR MOUTH, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and KILL THEM. And their DEAD BODIES shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And AFTER THREE DAYS AND AN HALF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE FROM GOD ENTERED INTO THEM, AND THEY STOOD UPON THEIR FEET; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. AND THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN IN A CLOUD; and their enemies beheld them."

> > 20Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. This is the battle of Armageddon. > > This is the same day that CHRIST gathered HIS Church, this battle is immediately after Christ have gathered HIS Church, this is the last battle, the battle of Armageddon

To me, that would be utterly impossible. Armageddon is when Satan and his army fight against Christ and his army. Christ must have already returned WITH HIS ARMY.

Rev. 19:11-14 says, "I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him (Christ) was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies WHICH WERE IN HEAVEN followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

The armies were ALREADY IN HEAVEN. Those armies in Heaven must have been caught up to Heaven prior to this day.

> > 19And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. The people of GOD calls this the great escape the rapture but What they don't understand is that this is the last battle this is the battle of Armageddon this is the evil people being taken, that Christ and all HIS Saints will destroy in the same hour CHRIST picks up HIS Church, these will be eaten by birds and the beast of the field, LIKE Yeshua said whosesoever the body is there the eagles will be gathered together, for this is the supper of the great GOD.
> > Matthew 24 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

For it to be possible to gather the elect "from one end of heaven to the other", they have to be taken to heaven before that. By the time of verse 31, they are already in heaven.

There are two Raptures, two Days of the Son of Man. Luke 17:22 mentions "one of the days (plural) of the Son of Man.

The first Rapture is before the Tribulation. Therefore, it is called the Pre-Trib Rapture. Luke 21:35, 36 says, "For as a snare shall it (the Tribulation) come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Rev. 3:10-13 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I ALSO WILL KEEP THEE FROM (ek, out of, as in Rev. 5:9) THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (trial), WHICH SHALL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

The first Rapture is of the Bride of Christ. The second Rapture is all the rest of the believers. At that point, the only people left on Earth are unbelievers. It is upon those unbelievers that the wrath of God falls. No believer is to feel the wrath of God. 1Th 5:9 says, "FOR GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." Therefore, both Raptures, represented by the pillars of the temple Boaz and Jachin, must take place before the wrath of God is poured out on unbelievers.

All believers will be in heaven receiving their rewards when the wrath of God is cast on the unbelievers left on Earth. Rev. 11:17,18 speaks of the first day of Christ's kingdom. It is both the day of the second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and the Day of the Lord on which God's wrath falls on Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5). It says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND (at the same time) shouldest destroy them (the unbelievers) which destroy the earth."

Between that day, the GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD, the Feast of Trumpets (first day of the Civil Year), and the return of Christ on the following Nisan 1 (first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year) are 7 months, (1) Tishri, (2) Cheshvan, (3) Kislev, (4) Teveth, (5) Shevat, (6) Adar I and (7) Adar II. Eze. 39:12,13 tells what the Jews will be doing during these 7 months. It says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., AT THE SECOND ADVENT), saith the Lord GOD."

The battle of Armageddon cannot take place until after Christ returns. Therefore, both Raptures have taken place before Armageddon happens. They both have to take place before the Wrath of God is poured out on Earth.

> > (Rev. 6) 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH HAS COME, and who is able to stand?"

I think the Feast of Trumpets that will be the DAY OF HIS WRATH will be Sept. 9, 2010. That will be Tishri 1, 5771, a Jewish Leap Year. Therefore, there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 5771.

> > I believe Luke 21:36 is pointed directly at the 144000 in which their days will be shortened.
> > The days will be shortened for the sake of the ELECT or there would be no flesh saved, because they are the FIRSTFRUITS to GOD and the LAMB.

There are ranks in the first resurrection, Christ, the Bride of Christ, the 144,000, and a great multitude that cannot be numbered (Rev. 7:9). I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

Not only are the 144,000 Firstfruits, we are a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that WE (believers) SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."

Only the 144,000 are added to the Bride group at the 2nd Rapture. Rev. 14:3 says that the 144,000 sing "as it were a NEW SONG (like the Bride group in Rev. 5:9) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders (that were already in Heaven in Rev. 4:4): and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

> > The LORD is setting on the throne after the sky receded as a scroll when it rolled up, when the 144000 are sealed. It maybe that Christ comes to the 144000 immediately after they are sealed with the FATHER'S name. The 12 tribes of Israel are sealed just after the sixth seal has been opened. Then we see the 144000 standing on Mount Zion with the LAMB of GOD in Revelation 14:1

I think you are right about the 144,000 being sealed AFTER the sixth seal is opened. The angels have to hold back the winds until they are sealed. Rev. 7:3-6 says, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." Eze. 9:4-6 sets the type. It says, "the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a MARK upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, GO YE AFTER HIM THROUGH THE CITY, AND SMITE: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary." The smiting followed on the heels of the marking.

> > THIS IS THE PART I CANNOT UNDERSTAND the bible says that the 144000 are the firstfruits > of GOD and the LAMB, yet the Church have said and made itself the firstfruits of GOD and the Lamb by saying we are going to get out of here before the great tribulations.

Let's look at some scriptures. THE CHURCH IS CALLED FIRSTFRUITS TOO. Rom 8:23 says, "And not only they, but OURSELVES ALSO, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY."

The redemption of the body will take place at the Rapture. We get resurrection bodies. I Cor. 15:42-44 says, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body."

James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us (believers, the Body of Christ, the Church) with the word of truth, that WE SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS OF HIS CREATURES." This is the group that will be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. At that time, they are wise virgins (Mt. 25:1f).

Rev 14:4 says of the 144,000 Israelites, "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins (foolish ones at the time of the first Rapture, but wise ones at the second Rapture). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb." The second Rapture is when every believer will be taken to Heaven so the Wrath of God will not be poured out on them. This catching up completes the group called FIRSTFRUITS. After those Tribulation saints are safely off the Earth, the Wrath of God will hit Earth with its remaining population of unbelievers.

After the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30) is seen in the sky (Rev. 6:14f), Mark 13;27 takes place. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Those gathered from the Earth are the Tribulation saints. Those gathered in Heaven are caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation begins. There are two gatherings, two Raptures, first for wise virgins before the Tribulation, and second, for foolish virgins just before the Wrath of God hits Earth.

> > The 144000 are GODS elect they are GODS chosen people they are the gates to the city of New Jerusalem, during the millennial reign in order for any one to get into New Jerusalem they will have to Go through one of the 12 gates Revelation 21:12-21, saying 12Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel... > > 14Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb... > > 16The city is laid out as a square (foursquare, i.e., a sphere that would fit into a cube shaped box, as the Holy of Holies was a cube that represented Heaven); its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal. Like a cube, the length, breadth and height of a sphere are equal. Heaven is a sphere.

> > 17Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel. 18The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.

Mal. 3:16,17 says, "a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." In the Body of Christ are both Israelites and Gentiles. Both will make it to the heavenly New Jerusalem if they believe in Yeshua/Jesus.

> > The tree of life is the 144000

Yeshua/Jesus is the Tree of Life.

> > We see in Joel 3:19 innocent blood shed, when we trace this down and study this very Carefully We Can see the two anointed witnesses that are to come, these two anoint witnesses are the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF YESHUA

Can you kill the Commandments? The two witnesses of Rev. 11 are men. They are killed, lay in the streets of Jerusalem 3.5 days, then are resurrected and caught up to Heaven. That does not fit the Commandments.

> > Revelation 14:17-20 17And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and CAST IT INTO THE GREAT WINEPRESS OF THE WRATH OF GOD. 20And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. > > The above scripture is the battle of Armageddon; this is the great wine press that the LORD is talking about.

That passage is talking about the Wrath of God. It is cast down to Earth 7 months before the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). Armageddon follows the Second Advent.

> > 2Thessalonians 2, 1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
> > Some says that this falling away means to be snatched up, but according to other verses and scripture in the bible it means just exactly what it says. The love of many will grow cold (the Falling Away). In the above Paul tells us concerning the coming of the LORD not to worry or be shaken by spirit or by word or by letters don't thank that they came from us, saying that the LORD has come. Let no one deceive you by any means, for the day of Christ's coming would not come unless the falling away from faith comes first and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Almost all major MSS have day of the Lord instead of day of Christ. Both Raptures come before the GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD.

The falling away is literally THE DEPARTURE, THE RAPTURE.

II Thess. 2 3 in the Geneva Bible says, "Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

(HNV) "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction"

(WEB) "Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction"

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