Pro and Con 1220

Posted 6-26-05

Interesting tidbits

Date for start of Gaza pullout tribulation--August 16, 2005
Appropriate if Rapture took place on Av 10, August 15.

Another milestone in the march of end-time events: The Sanhedrin was established October 14, 2004 (Tishri 29, 5765).

Water on Mars - a sure sign

National Geographic Magazine, July 2005, p. 74

"The Columbia Hills appeared to be built of volcanic ash or meteorite impact debris. But unlike the hard stone of the volcanic plain, these rocks were often soft, almost chalky, yielding easily when Spirit bored into them. Some seemed to be rotting. The texture alone implied that water once percolated through the rock, a conclusion that deepened when Spirit discovered telltale minerals. First she detected gray crystalline hematite, and iron oxide that is often--but not always--the handiwork of water. Then, in December 2004, came the clincher: an iron mineral called goethite, a sure sign of past water. Long ago, these hills were clearly soaking wet."

My comment

I think Mars and Rahab, Satan's planet, lost their surface water when Rahab split into pieces forming our Asteroid Belt. Mars was scarred badly when pieces of Rahab slammed into her. The multiple water comets that now slam into Earth's upper atmosphere every day may have also been set in motion when Rahab split up.

Incoming e-mail, re; p &c 1219 Noah

I am writing to you in responce to an e-mail you received and the responce you wrote in your pro and con #1219 concerning Noah. I also believe that the remnant in the ark represents the remnant from the house if Isreal which will come completely through the tribulation and be present here on earth to establish a new kingdom with Christ during his thousand year reign. Here is something you may want to consider when looking at Noah's experience. Gen 7:17-20,24 gives us the bare bones of the actual flood process. Verse 17 tells us that during the first 40 days a sequence happened; the water increased, the ark was shaken loose from its morings and then it was raised up above the earth. Verse 19 continues with the waters prevailing and were increased greatly upon the the earth, then all the high hills that were under heaven were covered by water. How long did this process take? Vs. 24 And the waters Prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. There was turmoil and temptest as the waters of the earth and the heavens above continued to Prevail for 150 days. This was not a 40 day rain. I believe that the 40 days probably marked the date the ark actually proved it could float. This was in a hugh and massively heavy vessel that had never made a maiden voyage. No one had ever seen the likes of it or had ever had the need to test its worth. The number 40 is also used numerous times in the Bible to show a time of testing. Those 40 days in the ark waiting to see if it would be all God had told them it would was a marked time for Noah and his family. I can't imagine the thoughts that must have occasionally crept through their minds during this time. But the important thing to see I believe is that the water was judgment- not a form of the Holy Spirit. In Gen 9:11 God shows that he will never use water again as punishment- or a means to destroy the earth by establishing a new covenant and a visual token which is the rainbow. The only people who will completely go through the upcoming judgement( represented by the flood of Noahs day) and be on earth here to tell about it( represented by Noah and his family as well as the animals that God had chosen being told to leaven the ark and go onto dry land) will be the remnant present here on the earth now, but in an unsaved state, whom come to a saving knowledge of Christ during the trib. and God seals them so that they are able to with stand and in some cases be protected from some of the forms of judgement. No present time Christian will make it into or through the judgment- God is sending the rapture and he doesn't make mistakes about who will go. These are things that I have learned and gleaned through the years and I hope that they may have some benefit for you as well

My reply

> > concerning Noah. I also believe that the remnant in the ark represents the remnant from the house if Isreal which will come completely through the tribulation and be present here on earth to establish a new kingdom with Christ during his thousand year reign.

I don't see it that way. By noon on the Day of God's Wrath, no believer is left on Earth. God's wrath falls on unbelievers only. We are not appointed unto wrath. 1Th 5:9 says, "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".

In John 14:1-3, Jesus said, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house (Heaven) are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

On the Day of God's Wrath, believers are all in Heaven. How did they get there? There are two Raptures, one as the days of Noah, the other as the days of Lot (Mt. 24:37-51, Luke 17:26-37). In Noah's day, water fell. In Lot's day, fire fell. In both cases, when the Lord comes, a believer is caught up and an unbeliever is left behind. However, at the first Rapture, the foolish virgin believers are also left behind. They are all caught up the second time.

Of the first Rapture, Luke12:45,46 says, "But and if that servant (the unwise one) say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (PRETENDERS): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In Rev 11:18, we can see that all saints, small and great, are in Heaven receiving their rewards while the wrath of God is poured out on the unbelievers left on Earth. It says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

In Mt. 24:36-51, Jesus spoke of the first Rapture. He likened it to the days of Noah. Verse 40 says, "Then shall two be in the field (world, Mt. 13:38); the one shall be taken, and the other left."

In Luke 17:22, Jesus spoke of "ONE (of two) of the days of the Son of man". The first Day of the Son of Man is the first Rapture. It is as the days of Noah. At that time, Mt. 24 said that one was taken and the other left.

The other Day of the Son of Man is the second Rapture. It is as the days of Lot. At that time, Luke 17:34 says, "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one (the believer) shall be taken, and the other (the unbeliever) shall be left."

No believer will live on Earth through the Tribulation and on into the Millennium. Therefore, Noah and his family represent those that are raptured. Noah was not an Israelite.

On the Day of God's Wrath, all Israel will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8), too late to make it out of here in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Those will live on into the Millennium.

> > This was not a 40 day rain.

I think it rained only 40 days and 40 nights. Gen. 7:11,12 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And THE RAIN WAS UPON THE EARTH FORTY DAYS AND FORTY NIGHTS." That's clear, and we are not at liberty to increase it beyond the period stated.

Verses 17-20 tell what happened during those 40 days and nights. The Ark floated (v. 17) and "all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered" (v. 19).

> > No present time Christian will make it into or through the judgment

That's right. They will all be in Heaven receiving their rewards when the Wrath of God hits unbelievers left on Earth. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: How long is a generation?

How long is a generation? It seems that there are many ways to try and determine what length of time a generation is. I donít think anyone knows for sure. If we look in Gen.,KJV, we find the word generations used first in 2:4. In itís use here it does not appear to determine any specific amount of time. Again, the word generation is used in Gen. 7:1 and to me it doesnít seem to be a specific amount of time. Iím thinking that a generation starts at 20 years old. Therefore there would be generations on top of generations. Anytime a generation is referred to, it is stated that it started in a certain year. I believe the baby boomer generation is said to start in 1946 and end in 1964. This is only 18 years. Will not everyone born in those years be part of that generation until they pass away? So my point is does anyone really know how long a generation last?

Maybe we should not be so concerned about how long it was before the Israelites 20 years old and older died but THAT THEY ALL DIED. So if we reason this way maybe everyone 20 years and older from before May 1948 must pass away before the generation that starts when Israel becomes a nation again. Then maybe KJV Matt 24:34-35 KJV Mark 13:30-31 KJV Luke 21:32 KJV may be fulfilled. This would mean, in the time span of people lives, it may be around the year 2030. This would make about 2000 years since the resurrection of Christ. I just had these thoughts and wanted to convey them to you. Your are the most brilliant bible interpreter of our time. Agape

My reply

Thanks much for your kind words.

Mt. 1:17 seems to be the best definition of a generation. It says, "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations." BC 2035 - BC 5 = 2030 years. Dividing that by 42 generations gives us 48.33 years for a generation. Compare that to Webster's 33 years for one generation.

The Sign of the End of the Age had to take place by the time Israel was 19 years old. She was 19 when she grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights) in the Six-Day War of 1967.

When the disciples asked "what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aionon, age), Jesus answered them with the Fig Tree Parable. In Mt. 24:32-34, he said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:7; Hos. 3:9,10; Eze. 36:8; Jer. 24:5,6; 29:16,17); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh (the Six Day War started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Kingdom of God, Luke 21:31) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the two Raptures, Rev. 3:8; 4:1). Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33.

To come closer than that outside limit, we have to figure out which Hebrew years are Leap Years. Eze. 39:12,13 shows that after the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20), there are 7 months during which the Jews bury the dead to cleanse the land for the return of Christ at the Second Advent. It would be 6 months from Tishri 1 to Nisan 1 unless it was a Leap Year with the added Adar II. The years 5771 (2010/2011) and 5774 (2013/2014) are Leap Years.

The year 5771 - 6 (for the shortened Tribulation) would be 5765 (2004/2005). I'm hoping for the Rapture in 5765, maybe Av 10, August 15. That's when both temples went up in smoke, and we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. The year 5766 will start October 4, 2005. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Spectacular Conjunction on June 25th

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/22jun_spectacular.htm

Does this conjunction have any prophetic significance, specificially June 25th? Also, could you tell me the latest date (i.e., June 2012) the rapture could occur? With the world getting more wicked by the day the Lord's return can't be that far away.

My reply

The conjunction could be a sign that the Rapture is approaching. Luke 21:25 literally says that there are to be signs in the Sun, Moon and constellations.

Let's just rough it out. The Sign of the End of the Age was the Six-Day War of Iyar 26, 5727 (June 5, 1967). According to Mt. 1:17, a generation would be 48.33 years. The final year must be a Jewish Leap Year, because there are 7 months between Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath, and the following Nisan 1, the Second Advent (Eze. 38:20; 39:12,13). The year 5727 + 48 = 5775, which is not a Leap Year, so we back up to 5774 (2013/14), a Leap Year.

Seven years before Tishri 1, 5774 (Thur. Sept. 5, 2013) would be Tishri 1, 5767 (Saturday, Sept. 23, 2006). Since the Great Tribulation is to be shortened, maybe only subtracting six years instead of 7 would make sense. That would be Tishri 1, 5768 (Thur. Sept. 13, 2007).

If the Pre-Trib Rapture preceded that on Av 10, 5767, the date would be Wed. July 25, 2007, just about two years from now. We don't have long to wait at the latest. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Lions stood guard

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apafrica_story.asp?category=1105&slug=Ethiopia%20Guarded%20by%20Lions

The above is a neat story. Lions saved and protected a 12 year old girl.
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Lions rescue, guard beaten Ethiopian girl
By ANTHONY MITCHELL, June 21, 2005

AP ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia -- A 12-year-old girl who was abducted and beaten by men trying to force her into a marriage was found being guarded by three lions who apparently had chased off her captors, a policeman said Tuesday....

She was beaten repeatedly before she was found June 9 by police and relatives on the outskirts of Bita Genet, Wondimu said. She had been guarded by the lions for about half a day, he said.

"They stood guard until we found her and then they just left her like a gift and went back into the forest," Wondimu said....

"Everyone thinks this is some kind of miracle, because normally the lions would attack people," Wondimu said.

Stuart Williams, a wildlife expert with the rural development ministry, said the girl may have survived because she was crying from the trauma of her attack.

"A young girl whimpering could be mistaken for the mewing sound from a lion cub, which in turn could explain why they didn't eat her," Williams said....

My reply

Wow! the Lord must have closed the Lion's mouths as he did when Daniel was in the lion's cage. I wonder if it could be a sign that the Millennium is near. Of those days, Isa 11:6 says, "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Sun/Saturn/Gemini

The Sun is in the Stargate of Orion tonight, it enters the boundaries of Gemini tomorrow (solstice), summer is nigh (Mat 24), Saturn will be leaving Gemini by July 1st and will not return for some 27 years ( July 18, 2032). A beautiful conjunction of Venus, Mercury, and Saturn occurs over June 25-27, 2005, next weekend after sunset in the western sky. On the Hebrew calendar it will be Tammuz 17-18, when Moses came down from Mt. Sinai and found the Exodus Jews worshipping the "golden calf". On the Julian calendar it will be Trinity Sunday. An interesting week ahead !

My reply

Thanks much for the update on when Saturn leaves Gemini, etc. Hope I don't forget to look for the conjuction. Agape

June 2005 Feature: A Planetary Trio Adorns the Evening Twilight

http://www.idialstars.com/june.htm

...On the evening of June 25 & 26, look low in the west some thirty to forty-five minutes after sunset to catch Mercury, Venus and Saturn all close enough together to fit inside a 1.5-degree circle. (The width of your little finger held at an arm length away covers about 1.5 degrees of sky.) Remember to hunt for these planets before twilight turns into total darkness....

As a bonus, this June presents a good view of all five naked-eye planets. If you catch the trio, you've already bagged three of them: Mercury, Venus and Saturn. And Jupiter just can't be missed in June. Jupiter, the sky's second brightest planet, shines boldly in your southwest sky first thing at dusk. Jupiter, the king of the planets, glorifies the sky all evening long and sets well after midnight. Be sure to see the slightly gibbous Moon near Jupiter on the evening of June 15.

As for the fifth visible planet -- Mars -- look for this ruddy gem to rise in the east after Jupiter sets in the west. Mars looks like a respectably bright star in the southeast sky before and during dawn. A fat waning crescent Moon shines near Mars on the morning of June 29.

Did Noah use this technique?

"Abydos" (Egypt)
National Geographic Magazine, April, 2005

On pages 116-119, are pictures of long wood-plank boats dug out of the sand. The astonishing thing is that they are 5000 years old. They would date from BC 2995. That is before Noah's Flood in BC 2387.

The "wood reveals the earliest known example of a construction technique that appears later in Egypt: ROPES PASSING THROUGH SLOTS IN LONG PLANKS BOUND THE HULL TOGETHER..."

Incoming e-mail, Re: I'm behind you my sister

You're good to go Marilynn, God bless you for your faithfulness and tenacity at what you do.

Thank you for sharing with me your journey that led you to bless many like myself. I have your books and have been led by the spirit to help you meet your needs to continue posting on the internet and will continue to feed from your mission.

Someday soon I will meet you in Jesus' company, until then, work knowing that your effort is well appreciated by many like me! God bless you and yours

My reply

Thanks for your kind words and for helping us make it through the hard spots.

Incoming email, Re: shavuot

God bless you. Although another time of expectancy has come and passed again, we are not discouraged. In fact, we are encouraged, knowing now more than ever that the time truly is at hand. Certainly the Lord's return is nearer than ever before. God is strengthening us as we exercise patient endurance and hold fast to our faith. Be encouraged, "be steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, for as much as you know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord."

This morning while I was looking at Sivan 12, I came across this discussion of exactly when the Day of Pentecost occurs. You certainly are aware of the various possibilities based on how one calculates the 50 days leading up to the Feast. In the article there was the following reference: The Beta Jews of Ethiopia count 50 from the day after the Last Day of Unleavened Bread, another Holy Day Sabbath. For them, Pentecost is on Sivan 12.

Could it be that the Day of Pentecost has not FULLY come but will arrive on this Sunday, Sivan 12? We shall see. That this date is Father's Day is also notable. What a gracious gesture of our loving Heavenly Father.
"Watching and waiting, looking above. . . " Sincerely

My reply

Thanks.

I figure Pentecost FROM Firstfruits, "FROM the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering" (Lev. 23:15). It comes out Sivan 7, June 14, 2005. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Your New Info.

Thank You for your recent post of Biblical insights.

I was so.o sad and disappointed when the Bridgegroom did not come to take us home, earlier this month. I so.o wanted to go and be with Him and other believers.

Thank You for giving us the dates in July and August to look forward to. Well..it will give me more time to straighten up the house and my greenhouse!! More time to distribute tracts and encourage believers. I can hardly believe that Christians I talk to concerning the soon coming of the Lord Jesus, just seem to so.o disinterested and look at me as if to say.."OOh No..not Yet.." Again, Much Thanks

My reply

We are ready to go too. It seems likely that the Rapture will take place before 5766 starts on October 4, 2005. We will know soon. Time sure flies. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re; salvation

I have written you one before and shared how I beleive the Feasts of the Lord in the Torah show the appointed times of The Messiah. It is a blueprint of salvation that Yeshua fulfills and it is a plan that is perfect and cannot be changed.

It is simple in layout and has a depth that cannot be measured. I now encourage you to follow this plan and do not alter the foundation that is put in place. The four spring feasts have been fulfilled.

Do not go back to them looking for a future fulfill- ment. The feast of weeks (pentecost) has been fulfilled with the receiving of the gift of THE HOLY SPIRIT. I plead with you not to go back to these events looking for future fulfillment of them. The spring feasts are to be observed with all our hearts minds and souls. With all praise i love Yeshua our Passover Lamb everyday and every spring i praise him during the Passover. Pentecost is the same. I love HIM for what he did at Shavout in Exodus and I love HIM for the fulfillment in Acts 2.

I look forward with FAITH for the next event in HIS perfect plan of salvation THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS!!!

This is the escape HE has provided for HIS bride.

SPRING FEASTS
Passover (fulfilled)
Unleaved Bread (fulfilled)
Feast of Firstfruits (fulfilled)
Feast of Weeks (fulfilled)

FALL FEASTS (none fulfilled YET by YESHUA)
Feast of Trumpets (escape...taking away of HIS bride)
Day of Atonement (return to mount of olives, salvation to remenant of Israel)
Feast of Tabernacles (milennial kingdom)

now i beleive as you read this the major obstacle for you is that it is to simplistic. the basic plan is too easy and you think it should be more complex. well the complexity is in the details of THIS PLAN.

It is an incredibly detailed plan but the basic blueprint is simple and has always been there through out history. I beleive GOD has very clearly revealed through the HOLY SCRIPTURES HIS next appointed time. thank you

My reply

If both the Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath Raptures take place 7 years apart on the Feast of Trumpets, how could the Great Tribulation be shortened?

> Day of Atonement (return to mount of olives

I think the First Advent was on Tishri 1, the first day of the Hebrew Civil Year' and the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, THE FIRST RAIN AND THE LATTER RAIN". Hosea 6:3 says, " the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1. The latter rain starts Nisan 1. Agape


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