Pro and Con 1221

Posted 6-29-05

My thoughts on II Peter 2:5-9

God "spared not the old world, but SAVED NOAH [type of the Pre-Trib Rapture] the eighth person, A PREACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And DELIVERED JUST LOT [type of the Pre-Wrath Rapture], vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that RIGHTEOUS MAN dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) The Lord knoweth how to DELIVER [i.e., rapture] THE GODLY OUT OF [ek, out of, from] TEMPTATIONS [i.e., rapture the Godly before the Tribulation], and to reserve the unjust unto THE DAY OF JUDGMENT [later on, at the end of the shortened Tribulation] to be punished".

The words "DELIVERED" and "DELIVER" are in the Greek "rhuomai," to rush, draw or RESCUE. The RESCUE typified by Noah is the Pre-Trib Rapture that comes about 7 years before THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. The rescue typified by Lot is the Pre-Wrath Rapture that comes before noon on the Day of God's Judgment and Wrath (Zeph. 2:3-5).

Of the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 3:10-13 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek, from, out of) the hour of temptation (the Tribulation), which shall come (AFTER THE RAPTURE) upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar (i.e., the left pillar, Boaz, represents the 1st Rapture and ties in Ruth; Jachin represents the 2nd Rapture) in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Harvest Seasons of Ancient Israel

http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/festivals/harvest.htm

...The importance of grapes and olives is illustrated by the fact that the Essenes had wine and oil firstfruits festivals similar to the biblical firstfruits offering for grain. These festivals also indicate the relative timing of these crops. The new wine festival came 50 days or seven weeks after Pentecost (7 weeks is Tamuz 26). Until new wine was offered, no one could drink any of the new juice (Temple Scroll, columns 19-21). Fourteen weeks after Pentecost (14 weeks is Elul 16), shortly before the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1), was the new olive oil festival. No one could use new olives until some oil had been offered (columns 21-22)....
--- http://www.hagshama.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=1595

The dried fig is called KAYITZ- HEBREW FOR "SUMMER", THE SEASON WHEN THE FIG RIPENS....

In the Bible the grape was mentioned in Jacobís blessing to his son Judah (although Judah was not the firstborn, he was the leader). Indeed, the region of the tribe of Judah abounds with many vineyards on its terraced mountainsides....
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Grapes
http://web.odu.edu/webroot/instr/sci/plant.nsf/pages/grape

Figs and grapes are often mentioned together (eg, I Kings 4:25). The fruits of both develop about the same time in mid-summer.
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Psa. 80:14: "Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6): look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine."

Isa 5:7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

John 15:1-4 says, "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
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Israeli Waterscapes
http://www.geocities.com/jelbaum/Waterscape.html

...we celebrated Tu b-Av, the 15th of the Hebrew month of Av, the Jewish mid-summer festival which also MARKS THE MIDDLE OF THE GRAPE HARVEST....

My comment: This map of Israel seems to show the scar of the asteroid impact that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/seasons_months_israel.html

The Sun Is Freaking Out and Now More Cosmic Dust

by Paul Winter
http://www.handpen.com/Bio/sun_freaks.html


A Huge Chunk of the Sun Is Ejected into Space...

From a New Scientist article of 02 Nov 2003, "There have been more sunspots since the 1940s than for the past 1150 years (combined)." That is a 1825% increase....

Much More is Coming
Between 2005 and 2013 cosmic dust will increase by another factor of 3. Thus making the second increase three times more intense. We are in for a rough ride. Of greatest concern is volcanic activity which has increased 500% over the past 100 years....

List of Changes to Our Solar System These increases seem to be due to increased fuel to the sun. If that is true, such events will continue to increase over the next few years.

A 300% increase in the amount of "severe" solar activity than what was formally predicted for the year 1997 alone (NASA 1998)
A 400% increase in the speed that solar particle emissions are capable of traveling through the energy of interplanetary space (NASA 1997-2001)
A 200% increase in tornadoes in unexpected areas such as Maryland from 50 years ago. Planetophysical State of the Earth and Life by Dr. Dmitriev (1997)
A 400% increase in the overall number of natural catastrophes on Earth between 1963 and 1993 (Dmitriev 1997)
A 230% increase in the strength of the Sun's magnetic field since 1901 (Lockwood, 1998) 9 out of the 21 most severe earthquakes from 856-1999 AD occurred in the 20th century (Russian National Earthquake Information Center, 1999)
A 500% increase in Earth's volcanic activity between 1875 and 1993....

Sign in the Sun

The Explosion That Shattered Solar Theory By David Talbott, 6-25-5
http://www.rense.com/general66/expl.htm

In January 2005, some remarkable things happened on the Sun, and the implications are still reverberating through the scientific community. Between January 15th and 19th four powerful solar flares erupted from "sunspot 720", shown in the picture above. Then on January 20 the fifth explosion produced a coronal mass ejection (CME) THAT ACHIEVED VELOCITIES INCOMPARABLY GREATER THAN ANYTHING ASTRONOMERS HAD SEEN BEFORE. While it often takes more than 24 hours for the charged particles of a solar outburst to reach the Earth, this one was a profound exception. Just thirty minutes after the explosion, Earth (some 96 million miles from the Sun) was immersed in what NASA scientists called "THE MOST INTENSE PROTON STORM IN DECADES"....

According to a NASA news release, THE EVENT "HAS SHAKEN THE FOUNDATIONS OF SPACE WEATHER THEORY".

Prior to this event, how did astronomers explain proton storms? NASA's "Headline News" story tells us that the mass ejection "begins with an explosion, usually above a sunspot. Sunspots are places where strong magnetic fields poke through the surface of the Sun. For reasons no one completely understands, these fields can become unstable and explode, unleashing as much energy as 10 billion hydrogen bombs".

Powerful ejections can throw off a billion tons of solar material against the enormous gravitational tug of the Sun. Normally the ejections travel relatively slowly. "Even the fastest ones, traveling one to two thousand km/s, take a day or so to reach Earth. You know a CME has just arrived when you see auroras in the sky".

But how does the ejected material attain its observed speeds? Even common ejections travel faster and faster as they move outward from the Sun, achieving speeds up to a thousand miles per second or more. This acceleration, some solar theorist surmise, can be explained by the "shock waves" that the CME produces. "Shock waves in front of the CME can accelerate these protons in our direction "hence the proton storm".

But this space weather theory is "soon to be revised", the story says. Here's why: Though the speeds of typical CMEs are impressive, and have posed a deep mystery for decades, they do not come close to the speed of the January 20 ejection. Light from the Sun (or from a solar flare) reaches Earth in 8 minutes. An ejection reaching Earth in 30 minutes must be rapidly accelerated to velocities more than a quarter of the speed of light. From the traditional viewpoint, this is unthinkable. And yet it happened....

Betting on a big bang

Leigh Dayton, June 27, 2005
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15737061%5E28737,00.html

...In the early 1990s Spaceguard was instrumental in setting up NASA's Near Earth Object Program, now the largest effort to search for comets or asteroids larger than 1 km in diameter, heading our way. The survey began in 1998 and...the program has detected 3439 NEOs, 704 of which are "potentially hazardous". They'll pass within 7.5 million kilometres of our little blue planet....

Incoming email, Re: ELUL

From: David Parker
Re the below, I believe this is the same Hebrew phrase used in Song of Solomon 2:16 (as well as 6:3)
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The name Elul is claimed to be an acronym of ani l'dodi v'dodi li, ďI am my Beloved's and my Beloved is mine,Ē a quote from Song of Solomon 6:3, where the Beloved is the LORD and the ďIĒ is the Kallat Mashiach, the Bride of Messiah:

Although it is a somber time of soul-searching, Elul reminds us of the high calling we have to examine ourselves and prepare ourselves as the spotless and blameless Bride of the Mashiach (2 Peter 3:14).

According to some Rabbinic traditions, Elul is also the time that Moses spent on Sinai preparing the second set of tablets after the idolatrous incident of the golden calf. According to this tradition, Moses ascended on Rosh Chodesh Elul and descended on the 10th of Tishri, at the end of Yom Kippur, when repentance and restoration of the people was complete. Elul then represents the time of national sin and then forgiveness obtained by means of teshuvah before the LORD.

My reply

Thanks for the information on Elul. To me, it is the month before the Marriage of the Lamb on Tishri 1. I believe that the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1 is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Christ's Coronation, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven, and the Day of God's Wrath on Earth.

The article quoted from below says that Av literally means father. It is from the root meaning "to will" or "to desire." We who are watching desire to be with the Bridegroom.

This article goes into kabbalism, which I do not adhere to. Nevertheless, we can glean some interesting things from it. Also, I think Jesus was born as the former rain on Tishri 1, not Av 9. According to Jer. 52:12,13, the temple was burned on Av 10 instead of Av 9. It says, "Now in the fifth month, in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD".
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The Month of Av
http://www.inner.org/times/av/av.htm

According to Sefer Yetzirah, each month of the Jewish year has a letter of the Hebrew alphabet, a zodiac sign, one of the twelve tribes of Israel, a sense, and a controlling limb of the body that correspond to it.

The Hebrew month of Av (or Menachem-Av, the consoler of Av) is the fifth of the twelve months of the Jewish calendar.

The name Av literally means "father." It derives from the root which means "to will" or "to desire."

It is the month of the "low point" of the Jewish calendar (the 9th of Av, the day of the sin of the spies and the destruction of both the first and second Temples in Jerusalem) as well as the month of the "high point" of the Jewish calender (the 15th of Av--"there are no happier days for Israel than the 15th of Av and Yom HaKippurim" (Mishnah Ta'anit 26:)--the day of finding one's predestined soul-mate).

This accords with the teaching of our sages that "the Mashiach is born on the 9th of Av." Relative to all other souls of Israel, the soul of Mashiach, who comes to redeem Israel from her state of (spiritual as well as physical) exile, is like a groom to his bride. After his birth on the 9th of Av he reveals himself to his bride and betroths her on the 15th of Av.

Letter: tet.
The letter tet, which resembles a womb, equals 9, corresponding to the 9 months of pregnancy. In the month of Av the 9 months are condensed and concentrated into 9 days, from Rosh Chodesh Av (the yahrtzeit of Aaron the high priest, whose name comes from the word "pregnant") to the 9th of Av, the day, which as mentioned above is the birthday of Mashiach.

Mazal: aryeh (Leo--lion).
The aryeh symbolizes the superrational power of Divine will (the meaning of the name Av, as mentioned above)....

In the words of our sages (Yalkut Shimoni, Yermiyahu, 259 ): "The lion [Nevudchanetzar, who is referred to in the Bible as a lion--Yermiyahu 4:7] came on THE MONTH OF THE LION [AV] and destroyed the lion [the Temple, which is referred to in the Bible, especially with regard to the alter, as a lion], in order that the lion [G-d, of Whom is said 'the lion roars, who shall not fear'--Amos 3:8] come on the month of the lion and rebuild the lion."...

Tribe: Shimon.
The name Shimon comes from the word "to hear." The sin of the spies on the 9th of Av entailed their speaking evil of the land of Israel and the people's accepting-- "hearing"-- the evil tongue. Thus the general rectification of the month of Av is the rectification of hearing.

Shimon is the only tribe that Moses did not explicitly bless at the end of the Torah. This was due to his "frustration" with the tribe of Shimon because of their involvement (more than all the other tribes) in the sin of Pe'or (prostitution with foreign women, which resulted in idolatry). The name Shimon divides into two words which spell sham avon, "there is iniquity."...

Judah corresponds to the month of Nissan and the sense of speech. Shimon corresponds to the month of Av (the first two letters and "sub-root" in Hebrew of the word aviv, the name in Torah for the month of Nissan) and the sense of hearing. Av is the 5th month from Nissan, whose letter is hei = 5.

The two senses of speaking and hearing are obviously a pair, just as in the sin of the people's hearing (accepting) the "evil tongue" spoken by the spies, the sin of the 9th of Av.

Thus we conclude that the power of the month of Av (the month of [apparent] destruction) is to "hear" the message "spoken" by the month of Nissan (the month of redemption), and integrate the first and foremost power of Israel?leadership?into the consciousness of the Jewish people.

This is the secret of the "pregnancy" and "birth" of Mashiach (the quintessential leader of Israel) from the 1st of Av (the beginning of his 9 day pregnancy) to the 9th of Av (his birth). He then fully unites with the consciousness of the people, "in matrimony," on the 15th of Av....
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Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pro and Con 161

From: David Parker
http://www.prophecycorner.com/agee/procon161.html

Marilyn, notice these comments from Pro/Con 161 back in 1998: Incoming Email FROM CAPS.
Please note the following infor. re the timing in the Song of Solomon:

In ch. 2:13 it says: "The fig tree 'putteth forth' her green figs.." KJV . The word for "green" is Strong # 6291 meaning "torpid or dormant". Other translations of this verse are: NAS-- "The fig tree has RIPENED its figs.." AMP---"The fig tree puts forth and RIPENS her figs". Why does there seem to be a contradiction in the various translations? The words "putteth forth" are from Strong # 2590 which mean " to spice, to ripen". So what is this verse trying to say? Simply this . The fig tree that was- up until this point-"dormant"- is now "Putting Forth" or ripening the -up until now- green figs. The point is that the fig tree is not "bringing out" green figs BUT RIPE FIGS. Do you see the difference? This is why most all translations of this verse are indicating that the fig tree is bringing forth ripe figs from here-to-fore green figs! In other words a CHANGE is taking place. The verse does NOT mean that the fig tree is" just now" putting out green figs but is starting to put forth RIPE figs FROM the green figs!

Now look at 2:13 which says "...and the vines with tender grape give a good smell "KJV. The NAS reads "...and the vines in blossom have given forth...fragrance.. and in vs. :15 it reads "WHILE OUR VINEYARDS ARE IN BLOSSOM". "The RSV reads" the fig tree puts forth its figs and the vines are in blossom..." and in vs :15 it says " FOR OUR VINEYARDS ARE IN BLOSSOM". the AMP. of vs. :15 reads "FOR OUR VINEYARDS ARE IN BLOSSOM". Now get this! The word "TENDER" is NOT in the HEBREW TEXT in 2:13, 15 or in 7:12 !! In fact the word used for GRAPE is Strong # 5563 which has reference to "a vine BLOSSOM" or "ABLOOM" This is therefore NOT talking about when the "tender" grape is just starting to form!! Most all translations realized this and you can read them for yourself. They all knew it was talking about when the GRAPES ARE IN FULL BLOSSOM". The Hebrew word that means "to be sour" or "an immature grape" is Strong # 1154. It is translated in JOB 15:33 as "unripe grape". IT IS NOT THE WORD FOR GRAPE IN SONG OF SOL.!

Notice in vs. 15 that the foxes are eating the VINE BLOSSOMS. Would a fox with GOD - given instinct eat sour grapes or RIPE grapes ?? Clearly, this changes the timing of this critical chapter which has a reference to the Rapture in it re the "SECRET OF THE STAIRS" FROM A SPRING TIMING TO A FALL TIMING.

Now look at ch. 6:11 in the KJV "I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see "whether" the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded." Note this carefully--the word "whether" is NOT in the Hebrew text! So what is this verse really saying? "TO SEE THE VINE (WHICH HAS) FLOURISHED, AND THE POMEGRANATES (THAT HAVE) BUDDED" Also note 7:12..."let us see 'if ' the vine flourished, 'whether' the ' tender ' grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth..."Note the following about this verse: The word "if" is not in the Hebrew text, nor is the word "whether", nor is the word "tender". So once again this verse should read "LET US SEE THE VINE (WHICH HAS) FLOURISHED AND THE GRAPES (WHICH HAVE APPEARED), AND THE POMEGRANATES (THAT HAVE) BUDDED FORTH." Note that the POMEGRANATES are just "budding forth". Evidently, they are harvested in Sept. and Oct. The grape harvest is almost for sure in September ! Also it is my understanding that there was an "early fig" and a "summer fig". The only month that seems to fit the following is ELUL: 1) THE FIGS ARE RIPENING 2) THE GRAPES ARE FLOURISHING 3) THE POMEGRANATES ARE BUDDING.

Also it is obvious that the harvest season was essentially over by Tishri 1 because of the fall festivals. Remember that the feast of Tabernacles is called "INGATHERING". The summer also ends. When was the WHEAT separated from the CHAFF? During the summer ! Daniel 2:35 mentions the "chaff of the Summer threshing floor". Truly it all seems to be coming together! GOD BLESS YOU AND ED.

.P.S. I wander why Song of Sol 2:12 mentions that "the time of SINGING has come ?" Take a look at ISAIAH 16:10 "AND IN THE VINEYARDS THERE SHALL BE NO MORE SINGING..." Also look at Judges 9:27 "AND THEY WENT OUT INTO THE FIELDS ,AND GATHERED THEIR VINEYARDS, AND TRODE THE GRAPES, AND MADE MERRY (MARGIN 'SONGS--I.E. THEY SANG SONGS)..." The time of SINGING was traditional in Israel when the time of the gathering of grapes was done !! ***added 7-28-98

Pomegranates are ripe in Elul, so they might bud in Av. It seems that Av and Elul, from now to the Eve of Trumpets fits the best.

My reply

> > Notice in vs. 15 that the foxes are eating the VINE BLOSSOMS. Would a fox with GOD - given instinct eat sour grapes or RIPE grapes ?? Clearly, this changes the timing of this critical chapter which has a reference to the Rapture in it re the "SECRET OF THE STAIRS" FROM A SPRING TIMING TO A FALL TIMING.

However, it doesn't have to be fall. The time of the firstripe grapes is Iyar 26. Forty days later, on Av 10, the spies returned to Moses and the Tabernacle with a great bunch of grapes slung on a pole between two men.

> > this verse should read "LET US SEE THE VINE (WHICH HAS) FLOURISHED AND THE GRAPES (WHICH HAVE APPEARED), AND THE POMEGRANATES (THAT HAVE) BUDDED FORTH." Note that the POMEGRANATES are just "budding forth". Evidently, they are harvested in Sept. and Oct. The grape harvest is almost for sure in September ! Also it is my understanding that there was an "early fig" and a "summer fig". The only month that seems to fit the following is ELUL: 1) THE FIGS ARE RIPENING 2) THE GRAPES ARE FLOURISHING 3) THE POMEGRANATES ARE BUDDING.

The spies took back pomegranates with the large bunch of grapes on Av 10.

There are several varieties of figs. The green fig ripens in the spring. There are also summer figs and figs that are heavy on the trees in Cheshvan.

> > Daniel 2:35 mentions the "chaff of the Summer threshing floor".

Av 10 is in the summer.

> > I wander why Song of Sol 2:12 mentions that "the time of SINGING has come ?" Take a look at ISAIAH 16:10 "AND IN THE VINEYARDS THERE SHALL BE NO MORE SINGING..." Also look at Judges 9:27 "AND THEY WENT OUT INTO THE FIELDS ,AND GATHERED THEIR VINEYARDS, AND TRODE THE GRAPES, AND MADE MERRY (MARGIN 'SONGS--I.E. THEY SANG SONGS)..." The time of SINGING was traditional in Israel when the time of the gathering of grapes was done !!

I took it that the time of singing was right after the first Rapture, because in Rev. 5:9, the saints sing the new song, but I didn't tie it in with the time of gathering grapes. Thanks. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: God's Laws

1John 3:5 teaches us the sin is the transgression (violation) of Godís laws. There are many verses of scripture that reflect this definition. My question is what are Godís laws and which ones are gentiles still under today. Any help you can provide on Godís laws would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

My reply

The ten commandments show us what sin is. Rom 3:23 says that "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". Rom 5:12 says, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Therefore all are desperately in need of a Saviour. Christ is that Saviour. Without him, we would all be on a slick slide to Hell.

In Gal 3:21-28, Paul explains, "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

1John 3:23 says, "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."

In John 13:34, Jesus said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

Rom 13:8 says, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." Agape


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