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I'm still watching and studying, thankful for a few more days to bring souls into the fold.

By the way, in the last email the 3D before May l3th and before June 21st, I have no idea how they got there. I did not type them in, and I'm sure I did not make the same mistake twice. And, I do not know what it means---3rd Day????? 3rd Sabbath after Pentecost?

(Note: here is what he sent before:
Because, look at all the correlations:
1. June 21 is 21 DAYS after Pentecost this Jublee Year. (3 x 7 days or 3 weeks of 7 days)
2. It is Sunday, the Lord's Day.
3. It is our gentile Father's Day.
4. It is the lst Day of Summer.
5. It is the longest Day of the year.
6. It is the 40th day after the l7th of Iyar (on the sacred calendar).
7. May l4, l948 + 50 Years=3D May l3, l998 + 40 days=3DJUNE 21st.)

What is the first day of spring in Israel? Same as ours? June 20th, 5:00 p.m.CST, would still be spring for us, and still fit all the details of Song of Soloman, and summer is nigh, and days of Noah. And, it is the last day that it could be in l998 to be before "summer is nigh." Wouldn't it be like God to give us as much time as possible?

Let me give you more interesting things about 21. Look at every 21st verse in almost all the first seven chapters of Ezekiel, Daniel,Micah and Matthew, Luke, Acts(some chapters do not have 21verses). All verse 21's have COME UP, ROSE UP, DEPARTED, WENT UP, LIFTED UP, etc. in it. Occassionally, you have to go on to verse 22 and once to 23 to find it. I have not had timeto look at more books of the Bible to see if it is all of them. But it sure doesn't look like coincidence to me. After chapter seven of any book, the 21st verse does not seem to have the same application, but I have had a chance to follow up.

And, Jacob rose up and departed, went out from Laban, on the 21st year of service , with his household and cattle.

By the way, has anyone mentioned that June is Gay Month? June 6th, Gay Day? 120,000 gays participated in the parade and "festivities" in Florida. How long will God allow that? From a weather point of view, God hasn't been happy with Florida all year.

In regard to the different calendar, civil or sacred, could Daniel 2:21 apply? Here is Daniel 2:20 thru 2 20 Daniel answered and said , Blessed be the name of God forever and ever: for wisedom and might are His: 21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisedom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him. 23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisedom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the kings matter.

Then Daniel talked about visions for the latter days.

"My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that per- secute me." Psalms 31:15

"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to-day is the third day since these things were done." Luke 24:21

"Then let them which are Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto." Luke 21:21

"For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matthew 24:38-39

"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor evil shall be." Matthew 24:20-21

Have you seen As The Days Of Noah on the prophecy central website, by Charles Ryalls? He also uses Iyar l7 as the start date of the rain---an excellent study---but he doesn't add the 40 days. I have tried to email him and ask why he used the sacred calender and about adding the 40 days to May l3th, our time, but the email never went thru. Please look at it. It is very thorough. Maybe you could contact him.

Luke 3:21.........the heaven was opened. It is this 21 thing. 21 days after Pentecost is our June 21st. Can't let go of this yet, just too many clues. 3 Sabbaths after Pentecost is 21 days. 3 weeks of 7 days.

"Not withstanding, in this rejoice not,that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight." Luke 10:20-21

Help, if you can, about the power to change the times and seasons. Is there more?

In the love of Jesus

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> By the way, in the last email the 3D before May l3th and
> before June 21st, I have no idea how they got there. I did not type
> them in, and I'm sure I did not make the same mistake twice. And,
> I do not know what it means---3rd Day????? 3rd Sabbath after
> Pentecost?

That is like the automatic caps. When something like that happens, you know the Lord is with you. I felt like he was standing behind my shoulder, then remembered that he was in me, yet the caps happened without him using my fingers to do it.

My guess is that 3D means three days that we are watching for the Rapture on. The third is coming this weekend, June 14...

> have 21verses). All verse 21's have COME UP, ROSE UP,

Notice how many are past tense.

> "But we trusted that it had been he which
> should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this,
> to-day is the third day since these things were done."
> Luke 24:21

We trusted that the Rapture would fall on Pentecost, and beside all this, next Sunday, June 14, is the third day that we have expected the Rapture. Does this tie in with resurrection?

Some of the verses you quoted apply to the Tribulation.

Yes, Charles Ryalls and I have exchanged email. We are friends, just discussing the different way we see things.

> Help, if you can, about the power to
> change the times and seasons. Is there more?

When you find clear Scripture that says that God "changeth the times and the seasons...He revealeth the deep and secret things," you can be certain that it is true. All is in his hands, he is in complete control.

And there is always more to understand in the Bible. It has layer after layer of meaning. No man could have ever written that book. Only God could have packed so much information into such a small book.
I think June 14 has a better chance of being Rapture day than the 21st, because it is still spring. Song of Sol. 2:11 says, "winter is past," not spring is past.

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Guess what! June 14 is NOT the LAST Sunday of this spring. The summer solstice is at 7:03 AM PDT on June would be...(about) 5 pm Israel time...

My reply

Thanks for doing research on this. Then the night hours of June 21 in Jerusalem would still be spring. That makes both June 14 and 21st possible dates for the Rapture. If we count three Lord's Days from the Talmudic Pentecost on May 31, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, they would be May 31, June 7 and June 14. If we count them our way, they would be June 7, June 14 and June 21.

Ex. 19:10-21 says, "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY and TO MORROW, and let them wash their clothes, And BE READY against the THIRD DAY: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai (symbol of Heaven)....when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount....And it came to pass on the THIRD DAY in the MORNING (i.e., AM), that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the VOICE (Rev. 4:1: " it were of a trumpet talking") of the trumpet exceeding loud...And Moses (means 'taken out of the water,' i.e., symbol here of Christ, the arm of God) brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God."

If "to day" was May 31, the Talmudic Pentecost, "to morrow" could be June 7 and the "third day" would be June 14.

If "to day" was June 7, the Orthodox Pentecost, "to morrow" could be June 14 and the "third day" would be June 21.

Jesus asked Peter if he loved him three times. I am hoping for next weekend. Our wake-up call was on May 31.

Joshua 1:11: "within THREE DAYS ye shall pass over this Jordan (means 'descent'), to go in to possess the land" (the promised land).

"Destroy this temple, and in THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP...HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY" (John 2:19,21). We are the temple of the Holy Spirit and the Body of Christ. Day is "hemera," and means a period to be understood in light of the context. It can mean different periods of time from a day to an age.

You asked about the wheat. The wheat is still unharvested. You know, I was thinking about the shepherd and sheep. That was a LITTLE flock. I have no idea of the number (they were scattered in deep weeds when we saw them) but the sheepfold was not huge. Luke 12:32 says, "Fear not, LITTLE FLOCK; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

I just happened to read this in the Bible I had in the car. In Mt. 26:40-45 (NEB), just before taken captive, Jesus went away from Peter and the two sons of Zebedee. He left them and said to stay awake. Then "HE CAME to the disciples and FOUND THEM ASLEEP, and he said to Peter, 'What! Could none of you stay awake with me one hour? Stay awake, and PRAY THAT YOU MAY BE SPARED THE TEST (pierasmos,'temptation' in the KJV). The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.' He went away a second time, and prayed...HE CAME AGAIN and FOUND THEM ASLEEP, for their eyes were heavy. So he left them and went away again; and he prayed the third time...Then he came to the disciples and said to them, 'Still sleeping? Still taking your ease? THE HOUR IS COME."

He told them to stay awake. When he came the first time, and found them asleep, he said, "PRAY THAT YOU MAY BE SPARED THE TEST." That sounds like Luke 21:36 (KJV): "Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Test reminds me of Rev. 3:10: "Because thou hast kept the word of PATIENCE, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial, putting to proof), which shall come upon all the world, to TRY them that dwell upon the earth."

Jesus came to them once, then again, then the hour was come. Hmmm. Food for thought.

I liked what you said on the phone: "Wherefore comfort one another with these words" (I Thess. 4:18).

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I have read your three books and all of your web site. Good stuff. Searching as for silver and gold.

Listen, on Thursday, 05-28-98, a word popped into my head which I was unfamiliar with. However, I supposed it to be Greek. So, I memorized the letters, went to my Strong's and guess what? There it was. It translated into WAIT.

Yes, I went ahead and stayed up all night on the 30th, as painful as it was. But what a beautiful morning I was presented! A blueish light began the dawn with the birds in a chorus. Yes, I'm certain creation waits as well. I wasn't too certain regarding the 7th, but made it to midnight. I am still waiting, which is exactly why I'm writing.

In the Song of Solomon 2:11, you pointed out that it states that the winter has passed. Well, that's not all. The rain is not only gone, it's over. Also, in Matthew, you refer to the "summer is nigh" with the assumption that we are to be looking at the springtime. Maybe not. When it speaks of "when it is near" we are a bit closer up the walkway, maybe on the porch. But we are drawn closer, "at the doors." You are standing on the threshold, the very next step being inside. Summer is referred to here not by accident. We are drawing near to what? Summer. We are at the doors of what? Summer. Once inside summer, we are inside. So, I am looking forward to Father's day, the day He sends His Son for us. This also seems to point to another scripture in Jeremiah 8:20 regarding those lamenting, weeping their missing their salvation because the "summer has passed and we are not saved."

Also, I liked what Jim Bramlett had to say in PC120. I believe that entire section in Matthew is written for those looking and watching. You must first arrive at a date which is unfulfilled because "for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of man comes." So, you had to think something first, based on knowledge. It does not mean the date was incorrect, just that there is now a delay as promised. Yes, sifting. You can't have a delay without a due date, otherwise, it's not a delay.

Finally, Revelations 1:1 has intrigued me for some time. Was this revelation that was given to Jesus by God to give to us, given by God to Jesus after He was raised from the dead and was glorified? I kind of think so. Consequently, I think the answer to the delay may be here.

I have been refreshed with reading all the comments from the wise virgins. Notice that the kingdom of heaven is compared to them "Then," that is, after, the rapture.

God bless you, Marilyn, and all the other brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Amen.

My reply

I am looking for the Lord June 14, the last Sunday of spring (or June 21, since spring does not begin until the day is almost over in Israel). Song of Sol. 2:11 says that winter is past, not spring is past.

The third day seems to refer to three Lord's days. The seven days and yet another seven days appear in Gen. 8 when Noah sent out the dove. The last time she found rest for the sole of her foot (i.e., one foot of the Body of Christ, the temple of the Holy Spirit.)

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Marilyn; What happened to May 31st? Regards

My reply

It was a wake-up call. The Rapture may happen June 14 (or 21). Read the first part of my Home Page. Clues are there in red.

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Marilyn, as God as my only witness, I was ready years ago. I have a very comfortable life here in Oklahoma with a loving wife, a son and a daughter on the way. But I'm one of those people who really believe that our citizenship is not of this world. There is very little in this world that isn't tainted. In my business we have come to the point where if someone is speaking to us then our motto is "if their lips are moving they are probably lying." It's sad but true. We get a little weary of living in a world where no good deed goes unpunished and I speak from one whom God blesses and protects.

So if you ask if I'm hoping for next week, I am in a constant state of hope. I studied your books and the scriptures and have for years believed the Pentecost rapture theory. Loved your teaching and shared with many others. I had a dream the night before 5/31 that the rapture would not happen and in my dream I felt a little disappointed but somehow knew He wasn't far from coming for us. So when I woke up we counted down the hours and looked at each other and said, can't be far, we'll wait.

Keep up the good work, we love ya and hope to see you soon where we truly belong.

Current Affairs

'I don't want to get off on a rant here or anything but..'

June 10, 1998

Rapture Dates Come & Go...and the beat goes on...

This is an open letter to all who said 'I told you so' and scoff at the recent rapture predictions by Marilyn Agee and others.

Guys, I sincerely doubt if the motivation behind these predictions of a possible rapture of the Church were inspired by Satan. You can't read Mrs. Agee's website and books and come away with any other conclusion than she is a child of God with inspired teaching whose only motivation is in getting people saved and the body of Christ to walk a more holy walk. I wish all my motivations were this pure, don't you?

If you took issue with her interpretation of scripture or the question of whether we will know the time of the rapture or not, that's fine. But to slam her and align her with Satan and accuse her of turning people away from Jesus Christ is ridiculous. She always said, "this is how I believe it to be, search the scriptures to see if it is so."

There are several things I don't agree with or do not fully understand about all of her writings. Guess what..there are several things I still don't understand about the Bible and how God moves or why He doesn't move. Do you? But I was very much in expectation on May 31st and on June 7 to go be with the best friend I've ever had. One Pastor once told a story about Enoch and his rapture and said that God and Enoch were very close friends and visited often. One day when it was time to go home the Lord looked at Enoch and said 'Hey, my home is closer, let's go there." I was ready to go to His home that day. I still am.

Were there some that were disappointed and discouraged? I'm sure there were..I was one of them. I truly hoped it was the time, it lit a fire under me to reach out and touch people more than ever. But my faith in Jesus Christ did not hinge on His coming for me when Marilyn said He might. I wish He would have but since He didn't, I continue to walk, go about my Father's business while looking forward to that blessed event. Before I ever studied Mrs. Agee's books, the Lord impressed me the time was short and opened my eyes to how perverse and twisted our world is becoming without Him. If He should tarry, what is it to you...or to me? Like the Lord, I don't want anyone to come to damnation. If Marilyn was a wakeup call then we should all continue the work and stop pointing fingers and bickering.

Has someone lost faith or stumbled because of her prediction? If so let's pick them up and try to get them going again. Paul says 'some follow this one or that one but there is only one true God'. I don't remember any other who was crucified and rose from the dead. I read lots of books by lots of different people and have found some error in all of them, Grant Jeffrey, Van Impe, Sumerall, Hagin and other popular writers. I weed out the wheat from the chaff and learn from them all. But in the end, we all must rely on the Holy Spirit to teach us and lead us into all understanding.

On the predicted date, my family and I were ready and full of joy at the thought of going wondering what it would be like. I closed my eyes and imagined a great force ripping me from this world into paradise. How wondrous it would have been..and will be. I hope it will be soon as this world has very little future to offer us. I saw a picture of an Albanian child who couldn't be any older than my 4 year old, crying and terrified as his family fled their city. I was so mad to think what if that were my child and I was helpless to do anything about it. I would have done anything to end the suffering if it were my family. The killing, lying, stealing and terror going on in the world must make our Father just as angry and protective for His children. He must be just as anxious to end this madness as we are.

In the words of the ever brave and inspiring Dan Rather, in a moment reminiscent of Churchill, to the little people of CBS News as they faced layoffs....."Courage" (I'm sure it was enough to get them through!)

In the inspired words of Churchill, "Never, never, never, never, never give up!"

In the Holy Spirit inspired words of the Word "Have faith in God"


My reply

Thanks for all your kind remarks....
II Peter 3:3,4 is being fulfilled. It says, "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last day scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

Stay awake and watching. This weekend could be it. It (or at latest, June 21, as above) is the last Sunday of spring. Song of Solomon 2:11 says "winter is past," not spring is past.

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I have noticed in Matthew 25 that in verse 10 some versions of the bible differ in the wording of 'wedding'. The KJV talks about a wedding but other versions I have looked at - NIV, RSV and NASB talk about the wedding feast or banquet. Which is correct? If it is the wedding feast will this have implications as to who the virgins are??

My thoughts are rambling here but could all the virgins be people who go through tribulation? Is the Bride actually comprised of virgins at all??

In Old testament times a King's Harem was comprised of 3 groups of Women - The Queens who the King was married to, The Concubines who did the Kings bidding when he called upon them and the virgins. The virgin's function was to attend to the Queens and dress and prepare them to be presented to the King.

In Christ who is coming soon

My reply

> I have noticed in Matthew 25 that in verse 10 some versions of the
> bible differ in the wording of 'wedding'. The KJV talks about a
> wedding but other versions I have looked at - NIV, RSV and NASB talk
> about the wedding feast or banquet. Which is correct? If it is the
> wedding feast will this have implications as to who the virgins are??

Green's Interlinear has "the wedding feast." To me, it doesn't change anything. Both wise and foolish virgins will finally get to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The wise ones just get to Heaven Pre-Trib and the foolish ones get to Heaven Pre-Wrath. The wise get to be the Bride of Christ and the foolish ones are the remnant of the Body of Christ.

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Re: Positive Message
Marilyn, Thank you for all the good work you have done. I know you have helped open the eyes of many people to the imminent nature of the end times. Personally I think the June 7th date is right on the money. The date ( I believe) is the first possible date of the rapture. We are now in the time of "tarrying". This time period could be 7 days, 10 days, 40 days (all previous wait periods) or some other time period which fits in perfectly with God's plan. I do feel you discovered through much hard work when the "tarry" period starts. God wants us to know we are VERY close, but he doesn't want us to know the exact time for some good reason. We can be quite sure there is a good reason for this even if we can't figure it out. One thing is certain; 1967 + 40 year generation + the shape the world is now in = 2007 end of end times. Don't give up your studying. There are so many things happening in the world today which have a direct correlation to the messages in the Bible that we need Word literate people like yourself digging into events every day and relating them to God's message to us. Those of us who try very hard to witness to the unsaved can use all the well prepared information we can get our hands on, so as to have the right piece of info at our fingertips for the given situation. I know I'll keep using the information you put together as part of my "saving message" to certain people. Different people need different messages. I know you have the ability to put together even more. You aren't at the end of a road, you've just come to an intersection. Pick a direction and go with it, God will see to it you pick the right road. Keep up the good work. God Bless You

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I just want to say that I agree with your thoughts that this waiting is a type of refining or sanctifying / sifting experience. After 5/31 passed, I was somewhat dissillusioned and upset, but within a day I was right back looking forward to the 6/7 date. (I don't know what it is.... but I think that with all the strong evidence you presented and the witness of the Holy Spirit, I know we're close!) After 6/7 passed, although slightly dissappointed, I found myself more at peace with letting *Him* decide what the perfect time is even if we don't understand it. I feel kind of disjointed though.... I cannot seem to concentrate on much of anything else and am finding it difficult to keep up with all my work and school stuff. I know He realizes that although the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak --- I just hope this means He will not be too long in coming.....
BTW, have they harvested the wheat in the field near your home yet? Keep us posted...

My reply

The wheat still has not been harvested. Someone told me the 9th that there was more snow, I think in Iowa, lots of it.

Hang in there. This may be a test, a separating the wise from the foolish. Remember that Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to have him to sift like wheat. Stay strong and stay ready no matter how long it takes.

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" Re: June 7. There is an Orthodox calendar that I did not know about until after May 31, 1998, passed. "The Calendar of the Orthodox Church" by Lewis Patsavos, Ph.D., Holy Cross School of Theology, says, "Jews originally celebrated Passover ON THE FIRST FULL MOON following the vernal equinox. Christians, therefore, celebrated Easter ON THE FIRST SUNDAY AFTER THE FIRST FULL MOON following the vernal equinox" (emphasis mine)."




My reply

Thank you!!!...The full moon was Wed., June 10.

My faith is so strong, not only am I holding on to it, it is holding on to me.

See you in glory, at the general assembly and church of the firstborn, on Sunday, the Son's day.

Heb. 12:22-25 says, "But ye are come unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect. And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."

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I just read the new additions to your site. You know - as I mentioned in an earlier message - June 7 is in our (finnish) almanac the Trinity Sunday, and the following sundays are counted from that (Idon't know where this tradition comes from) the last that counts from that is November 8 which is 22. Sunday after Trinity (sunday).

Indeed number three is significant. (Also I feel 3 x 7 (21) is trinity in numbers.) It really could be that the third day (day/week) is the one. Also the word 'watch' is interesting as it can be understood as a measure of hour but could apply to third time waiting also.

Just an interesting end note. As I was earlier this week (at night) praying and thinking about the time of the rapture the cuckoo sung three times.

I might add that I don't remember hearing cuckoos in the town area this summer or for that matter any summer.

Whatever the hour - I think all true believers will FEEL that Lord is soon coming and will therefore just before it happens FEEL the presense of the Lord

Especially nice was this addition to your site:
Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or COME IN THE THIRD WATCH and find them so, blessed are those servants."

My reply

I have over 500 emails in the Inbox. I hope people that got no answer will understand that I did my best.

Would you do me a favor? You have the software to tell me when Saturn rises over Jerusalem on the night of June 13,14. I get confused with time like 00:00, etc. Please, would you give it like 3:00 AM.

Unger's Bible Dictionary says on page 1163, "Jewish reckoning recognized only three such watches, entitled the first or 'beginning of the watches' (Lam. 2:19), the middle watch (Judg. 7:19), and the morning watch (Exod. 14:24; I Sam. 11:11). These would last respectively from sunset to 10 p.m.; from 10 p.m. to 2 a,m.; and from 2 a.m. to sunrise. Subsequently to the establishment of the Roman supremacy, the number of watches was increased to four, which were described either according to their numerical order, as in the case of the 'fourth watch' (Matt. 14:25, Gr. phulake), or by the terms 'even,' 'midnight,' 'cockcrowing,' and 'morning,' (Mark 13:35). These terminated respectively at 9 p.m., midnight, 3 a.m. and 6 a.m."

The third watch then would be midnight to 3 AM. Does Saturn rise as a morning star in the third watch? I'm thinking maybe between 2:30 and 3:00. Can you tell if there is a conjunction in that morning sky?

Mark 13:34 says, "For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

If he comes at cockcrowing, we'll feel like crowing too. Oh, Rapture is a good name for the event.

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